Gary Numan Digest Mon, 12 Oct 92 Volume 1 : Issue 4 Today's Topics: ADMINSTRIVIA Asylum: A Correction Correction of a correction (Paul Gardiner) I, Assassin and Warriors 12" singles UK GN FC Newsletter 37/38 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 11:05:45 PDT From: dlangs%sunstroke@sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: ADMINSTRIVIA To: numanews@cs.uwp.edu ADMINISTRIVIA ------------- Dave and I are still trying to get the format for the Digest to an acceptable level. Last weeks issue was a bit confusing with answers from me coming before the questions had been asked (the program sorts by subject rather than date and drops the "Re" part of subject headers). Dave, who controls the programming for the Digest hopes to sort it out soon. Still no word about Ghost. I stressed for Peter to call me as soon as he gets word from Beryl and or the discs, but so far nothing. I wonder what the delay is this time? Please remember to mail contributions to numan@cs.uwp.edu rather than to me personally. I will soon have a mailbox specifically set up for incoming contributions from numan@cs.uwp.edu so I can keep the digest mail separate from other mail. Use my email address to contact me specifically. I am hoping that in the future we might be able to get together some survey of Gary's albums - yes a poll. I am curious to see if our likes and dislikes are similar or not. That will have to wait though. Till next week, Derek ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek H. Langsford Dept. of Biology dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu San Diego State University ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 10:03:09 PDT From: dlangs%sunstroke@sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: Asylum: A Correction To: numanews@cs.uwp.edu >From V026LTR5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu Mon Oct 5 06:09:14 1992 Subject: Asylum: A Correction Sorry to quibble, but Asylum does NOT contain the complete albums. The LP version of We Take Mystery (To Bed) is not on Asylum. Its got the extended and early versions, but not the regular one. So you still need to buy another disc to get all the Beggars Banquet tracks on CD. On the other hand, it should be noted for those poor souls who have not seen Asylum yet, that they not only have all those tracks, but also really neat booklets with pictures AND lyrics to almost every song. Of course, the lyrics are sometimes wrong, but overall, the packaging is wonderful. Monty Converted to Numanism by Brian Hammond --------------- Derek Here, I should have a file "asylum.bb.cat.exceptions". For brevity I left out the exceptions. In addition to WTM(TB) Asylum has the true stereo mix of We are Glass whereas Exhibition mistakenly has the mono version. Also Exhibition has the edited (single?) versions of the I, Assassin and Warriors singles. I prefer the full versions personally. I agree that the Asylum sets stand out as one, if not the, best examples of how a back catalogue should be released on CD. Great price too! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 09:55:03 PDT From: dlangs%sunstroke@sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: Correction of a correction (Paul Gardiner) To: numanews@cs.uwp.edu After Al and I making a double boo-boo we were of course promptly corrected by several of you out there regarding the death of one of Gary's collaborators. This is a typical example of how parenthood rots the brain :) ----- >From TEELK@elmer1.bobst.nyu.edu Mon Oct 5 10:17:29 1992 Subject: V1 #3: Dead collaborators Surely others will write with this info... Paul Gardiner died of a heroin overdose in 1984. It was a very tragic event that naturally upset Gary and eventually prompted him to write "A Child With The Ghost." To my knowledge Rrussell Bell is still alive, since a friend of mine met him in a pub a few months ago. As for Jess Lidyard, I have no idea. He seems to have retired from music just after the Tubeway Army releases. --K Teel ----- >From jds@isr.harvard.edu Sun Oct 4 13:50:32 1992 Subject: the dead guy I thought that the dead guy from Numan's past was Paul Gardiner. I believe this was in the interview that was posted several months ago. It was a drug overdose. Supposedly, "A Child With the Ghost" was dedicated to him, if I remember correctly. jds@isr.harvard.edu ----- >From neal@harlqn.co.uk Mon Oct 5 01:19:29 1992 Subject: Correction? > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 11:18:40 PDT > From: dlangs%sunstroke@sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) > Subject: Correction? > To: numanews@cs.uwp.edu > > --- Forwarded mail from Al Crawford > > Bit of a boob in a post to the list I'm afraid - It's Rrussel Bell that's > dead, innit, not any of the others. Leave it in if you want, though, it's > not important. It's Paul Gardiner that's dead, not rrussell (at least, he's not dead as far as I know). I think you were right about the drugs overdose though - I remember hearing he'd been found dead on a park bench somewhere, but that might not be right. Anyway, it was somewhere round about the time of Stormtrooper in Drag. Just after, I think, which would put it round about 1982 or 3 wouldn't it? On a fairly unrelated note, someone mentioned (in the last "old-style" numanews) the Dramatis album. If memory serves, rrussell was the lead singer on that album. Anyway, it's title was "For Future Reference" and I have a vinyl copy hiding away in my collection. I haven't listened to it for years, but if anyone's interested I'll dig it out and write a review for Numanews. I think I'll dig it out and listen to it again anyway, come to think of it. Neal ----- >From metlay@netcom.com Mon Oct 5 09:28:01 1992 Subject: Re: Gary Numan Digest V1 #3 (dead people) Unless I'm sadly mistaken, the dead guy in the original lineup is Paul Gardiner, the bassist, who was found on a bench in Hyde park with a needle in his arm. Am I wrong? -- metlay | and she's a master of return hitting atomic city | giving rhythm to her posts | so you read her and think hey it sounds good metlay@netcom.com | and wish her posts had a soundtrack too (f. ercolessi) ----- >From bhammond@zephyr.cair.du.edu Mon Oct 5 16:54:24 1992 Subject: Correction, Deaths, and Ghost In my write up on Bill Sharpe, I got the name of the studio wrong. Bill Sharpe met Numan at Rock City Studios, not Shepperton. As for the death issue, Paul Gardiner died in 1984 from a drug overdose. If either Rrussell Bell or Jes Lidyard died since then, it's news to me. Even with Gardiner's death, however, I feel Numan could still return to this earl;ieearlier sound if he really wanted to. The songs were all written by him, so anybody could play the instruments. Jess Lidyard returning is highly unlikely even if he is still alive. As I understand it, he was already in his 30s when he helped Numan out in 1978. Chances are he doesn't want anything to do with the music scene today. Personally, I don't want to see Gary return to any old sound as much as I'd just like to see him move on. A reinterpretation of older material would be nice as would a re-emphasis on early 80s synth sounds, but a complete return to an earlier sound doesn't appeal to me too much. I heard from a Numan friend in Boston that ABCD Records is now accepting advanced orders for Ghost which they expect any day now. I have not called them to confirm this, but for those so inclined, their number is: 914 - 939 - ABCD Me! I Disconnect From You ----- The reports of US stores getting Ghost are very frustrating. With all the work I've put in I will be peeved if it is a general release! Derek ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek H. Langsford Dept. of Biology dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu San Diego State University ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 10:08:39 PDT From: dlangs%sunstroke@sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: I, Assassin and Warriors 12" singles To: numanews@cs.uwp.edu I asked this quite a while ago and got no answer: Are the 12" versions of Music For Chameleons, White Boys and Heroes, Warriors and Sister surprise different from the CD versions on Asylum? My curiosity was aroused originally by the appearance of the extended version of WTM(TB) on Asylum vol 2 disc 3 an dit being longer and different from the regular version on the BB Telekon/I, Assassin CD. I don't have the vinyl but assume some of you out there do. Anyone? Derek ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek H. Langsford Dept. of Biology dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu San Diego State University ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 10:53:03 PDT From: dlangs%sunstroke@sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: UK GN FC Newsletter 37/38 To: numanews@cs.uwp.edu UK Gary Numan Fan Club Newsletter 37/38 --------------------------------------- This is a double newsletter in glossy black and white. It has pictures from the Isolate Tour, the Machine and Soul photo session and his outings with Numan FC Quiz winners. Letter from Gary ---------------- He says how much he enjoyed the Isolate Tour and feels it was one of his best. He especially liked Kipper and Susie on tour with him. He looks forward to his next one. He expected The Skin Game to not do very well, an admission he says is sad to admit. "Same old problems." (Lack of Radio play). The dates for the M+S singles and albums are announced. He also indicates the track listings and hopes we like the new material. The M+S video will be added to the compilation (that Beryl said may be ready soon). He expresses his thanks to Kipper for helping with the album. He also says that the ballad album should be ready later this year - a compilation of the best to date plus two new songs (and we thought he had a lot of instrumental material he was going to balladise, hmm). He apologises for the Ghost CD delay. Letter From Beryl ---------------- She lists Gary's activities in the Spring and explains that this is a double issue because of her many hospital visits in the first 3 months of the year. She said the MArch Tour was fun with the Little Chefs being their regular Breakfast stops (these are like Denny's without the service and variety, personally I willnever go to one again after visiting one last May blech!). She gives the reason for the delays on Ghost: "IRS had the 1/4" master for side 4 and to date we hve not been able to get it back from them. We need the 1/4" master to cut the CD master from and we will now have to do it another way, that is for Gary to mix another copy from the original 2" tapes. As soon as he finishes mixinfg M+S he will do this. >From then on it will not be very long until you receive your CDs. I am very sorry for the delay on this." (Of course Beryl has been back in hospital since too, so the delays continue). The April dates at Hammersmith were recorded and a live album is planned. (The ratio of studio to live album releases seems to be approaching 1:1, sounds like a money making thing to me>) That's about all of any importance in Beryl's letter. Gary's Questions ---------------- A Q and A session. Main points made: - he is very grateful to the fans who have stuck with him over the years though he feels he has earned their loyalty. - At 34 he feels less inclined to toy with his image as he used too. He would not wear some of the older stuff now. - He would rather not see a revivial of his older material "I can't stand this disease of nostalgia", "I hate revivialist music". "We should all look foward, enjoy the past, but don't live in it." "I don't want to revive my past. I want it left as a memory so that I can get on with writing better things". (I'm sure this might generate some discussion considering his sampling of a 8 year old movie!) - he laments th epassing of Freddie Mercury whom he met once. - someone asked if they should demonstrate outside Radio 1 protesting the lack of Radio play for his material. "NO!" says Gary. It is their decsion which he wish they would change but he feels they should make friends not enemies of each other. - he doubts IRS will release the soundtrack of The Unborn. - Susie Webb (backing vocalist on M+S) is not related. - Someone asks about more Sharpe and Numan releases. He hopes there will be but they have to record something first. Trip to EuroDisney ------------------ Gary tells the story of the bus and ferry ride over to France to visit EuroDisney. Reaching for the Skies with Gary Numan -------------------------------------- Steve Lamb talks about the plane trip with Gary fro previous FC quiz winners. 1992 Numan Convention --------------------- Regents Palace Hotel, London 22nd August 1992 (Oh well, missed it). Lastly there are a list of Pen Pals (these things always make me cringe as it seems like such a juvenile behaviour - I suppose Numanews could be viewd as a similar thing). That's it. Derek ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek H. Langsford Dept. of Biology dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu San Diego State University ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************