Date: Sun, 5 Mar 95 04:00:06 CST From: numan@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #121 Gary Numan Digest Sun, 5 Mar 95 Volume 1 : Issue 121 Today's Topics: A brief chat with Beryl Webb/Paul Bosanko update Depression and Music first entry Fwd: Censors Gary Numan and feeling down Gary Numan Digest V1 #120 Gary Numan info Hello all! Help Me! mailing list Numan's nu gear Numan newsgroup Sacrifice & Depression ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:43:00 -0800 From: dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: A brief chat with Beryl Webb/Paul Bosanko update To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello there! In an attempt to find out if Paul Bosanko has been maintaining contact with the UK Gary Numan Fan Club, I called Beryl Webb (Gary's mother) who runs the UK club on Wednesday. She said she has not heard from him since about last October and has no idea what happened. They had several conversations last summmer/fall after he approached Numa about getting Gary to compose music for a film project. The arrangement Beryl had with Paul was no different than that which I had with her a few years ago when acquiring Berserker and White Noise CDs for people on this list. The reason why the UK Fan Club does not take international memberships is because it makes the running of the FC so much more complicated and the problems that occurred with people sending the wrong amounts of money or foreign cheques or notes instead of UK pounds made it too much to cope with. Beryl would be happy though to deal with an individual who would gather orders from a foreign country and make each transaction simple and straightforward. This was what she was expecting to happen with Paul Bosanko. However, after he requested some Fan Club literature and concerts tickets and sending them off, Beryl has not heard a thing from him and has not seen payment for the tickets. Along with the experience of Brian Hammond and myself this evidence suggests that Paul has basically disappeared without completing his end of various deals. The bottom line is, DON'T DO ANY TRANSACTIONS WITH THIS PERSON! If anyone is waiting for Numan items or has dealt with him directly at any time, please contact me. If anyone lives in the Bay Area and would be willing to help try to track him down please email me (he has lived in Mountain View and Menlo Park CA). Brian and I are looking at if this consitutes a case of mail fraud. Paul's name and phone number have been deleted from the Digest credits. Other news ---------- This was a fairly brief conversation and one which I spent catching up with Beryl after 16 months of not calling. I was so pleased that she remembered me and asked how I was doing after hearing from my brother that I had lost my son to cancer. She confirmed the new single "Absolution" but said it had been delayed till the end of March as far as she knew. They hope to get the extended mixes Sacrifice album out soon too, but the live album from last year's tour may not be ready till later this year. Apparently there is a bootleg CD and video of one of last year's concerts which has angered them considerably as they intend to release official versions themselves. They are hoping to serve papers this week against the individuals who are behind it. The boots have been sold by mail order in the UK. I am assuming they are pretty bad and so the official versions will be worth waiting for. Beryl said they allow people to take photos etc but they do not expect people to take advantage of it for monetary gain. The people involved used to be associated with an independent UK Numan fanzine. She even received a phone call from one of them wishing her a happy birthday on Feb 14th. People seem to have a lot of nerve these days. Gary has a new motorbike with which he his enthralled. That was about it. It was a very nice conversation. Beryl seemed more energetic and friendlier than ever. I'll try harder to call more often for up to the minute news in the future. Derek -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek H. Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu Dept. of Biology Tel. (619) 594 2885 San Diego State University -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 16:19:44 +0000 From: meta@harlequin.co.uk (mathew) Subject: Depression and Music To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) Derek Langsford writes: >Hypothesis: Numans's "Sacrifice" album may contribute to depression and >self esteem mental health problems. I think maybe you have cause and effect the wrong way around. When I'm depressed I can only listen to correspondingly dark music. Music doesn't change my mood much, but my mood determines what I can stand to hear. >I listened to "Sacrfice" a lot because it seemed to sum up how I felt. >It hit a chord in me that was dominating my outlook. Exactly. And I find that listening to the right music helps to burn out the depression more quickly. Trying to ignore it leaves it festering there in the background... I've spent the day on a major Philip Glass kick; I'm listening to Einstein on the Beach right now. I'm not sure what *that* indicates about my mood... mathew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:34:14 -0500 From: PaddyGav@aol.com Subject: first entry To: numan@cs.uwp.edu My name is Patrick, I have been a Numan fan since (when else?) 1979. "Cars"hooked me, but it was the Telekon L.P. (actually my brother had the 8-Track!) that really pulled me in. I've been a consistent buyer of Numan albums, but I find that lately (Outland, Machine+Soul, et al) I will play the discs once and put them away. I understand, however, that there is a new collection called "Sacrifice (?)", so I will be looking for that one to arrive in my special order slot at the local shop. I currently have ben more interested in underground music, particularly power pop and melodic punk junk. I suppose this is due to all of my favorite old groups fading from view here in the heartland. Nobody knows, so I guess nobody cares. Anyway, I play in a band that rarely practices and never plays anywhere besides my office. I guess that's all I need to say. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:32:10 -0500 From: Dangerimp@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Censors To: numan@cs.uwp.edu --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Fwd: Censors Date: 95-02-28 18:40:52 EST From: MattH99 To: Dangerimp,AndyH99,RayH99 What do you think?? --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Fwd: Censors Date: 95-02-26 13:09:32 EST From: Mr PMFB --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Fwd: Censors Date: 95-02-26 02:24:58 EST From: FlightMan To: Mr PMFB Ian... can you send this to everyone you know on AOL... --------------------- Forwarded message: From: speisert@sdcc6.ucsd.edu (Sean Peisert) Resent-from: acfl@en.com Reply-to: acfl@en.com To: acfl@en.com, baumbach@mc4adm.uwaterloo.ca Date: 95-02-26 02:04:27 EST Guys, I almost never forward things, but I think this is imperative. It is courtesy of James Randi (aka The Amazing Randi). -Sean Peisert ------------------ PLEASE SIGN THIS PETITION! From: KEISNER@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU A matter has come to my attention that is of the utmost importance to all of us online. Simply put, a couple of senators have proposed a particularly heinous piece of legislation titled the "Communications Decency Act of 1995" (Senate Bill S. 314). Basically, the bill would subject all forms of electronic communication -- from public Internet postings to your most private email -- to government censorship. The effects of the bill onto the online industry would be devastating -- most colleges and private companies (AOL, Compuserve, etc.) would probably have to shut down or greatly restrict access, since they would be held criminally liable for the postings and email of private users. Obviously, this bill is designed to win votes for these senators among those who are fearful of the internet and aren't big fans of freedom of speech -- ie., those who are always trying to censor "pornography" and dirty books and such. Given the political climate in this country, this bill might just pass unless the computer community demonstrates its strength as a committed political force to be reckoned with. This, my friends, is why I have filled your mailbox with this very long message. A petition, to be sent to Congress, the President, and the media, has begun spreading through the Internet. It's easy to participate and be heard -- to sign it, you simply follow the instructions below -- which boil down to sending a quick email message to a certain address. That's all it takes to let your voice be heard. (You know, if the Internet makes democracy this accessible to the average citizen, is it any wonder Congress wants to censor it?) Finally, PLEASE forward this message to all your friends online. The more people sign the petition, the more the government will get the message to back off the online community. We've been doing fine without censorship until now -- let's show them we don't plan on allowing them to start now. If you value your freedoms -- from your right to publicly post a message on a worldwide forum to your right to receive private email without the government censoring it -- you need to take action NOW. It'll take fifteen minutes at the most, a small sacrifice considering the issues at hand. Remember, the age of fighting for liberty with muskets and shells is most likely over; the time has come where the keyboard and the phone line will prove mightier than the sword -- or the Senate, in this case. Yours in liberty, -don ............................................................ To to sign the petition via e-mail: Send an e-mail message to: S314-petition@netcom.com The message (NOT the subject heading) should read as follows: SIGNED eg. SIGNED JAMES.RANDI@GENIE.GEIS.COM James Randi YES That's all there is to it, so PLEASE send in your signature. It's really important. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Feb 95 9:13:57 EST From: kistler@voth2.chem.upenn.edu (Kurt A. Kistler) Subject: Gary Numan and feeling down To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) Derek, I cannot vouch for your reactions to Gary's new album, but I can say that the day I bought Dance, back in 82, it was late in the afternoon. I put on the first side (vinyl, you know), and by the time Cry the Clock Said was over, the sun was down, but I had not turned on any lights, so pulled into the melancholy mood was I. It still can bring me into a strange, sad, android mood, even today, but I still feel it is his best work. BTW I do feel that letter to Gary was rather critical of his past work. Who is to say but him why he wrote music like that? I didn't like it either, but are any of you recording artists? I say just enjoy what you like of his and be done with it. Kurt Kistler ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 11:41 +0300 From: tnb2@glas.apc.org (Gleb Zverev) Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #120 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Please, add my name to the list under the letter to Gary: Gleb G. Zverev tnb2@glas.apc.org (Moscow, Russia) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 15:12:16 CST From: "ROBERT L. HARVEY JR." Subject: Gary Numan info To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I am new to the internet. Please excuse any violations of protocol. In a search for info about Gary Numan, I came across your address. If you can help to find out more about this artist, I would appreciate it. Any info at all would be great. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 14:18:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Thomas F. Pacia" Subject: Hello all! To: numan@cs.uwp.edu My name is Tom, I'm a longtime fan of Gary. I really think his new album Sacrifice is incredible! Every tune off that album is great. Love and Napalm is probably my favorite. "I can remember everything, every promise, every lie, and how the words of strangers made me cry, all the pride, all the shame, all the friends that came from nowhere and then hurried back again, I collected scars like a man at war and I thought 'isn't life peculiar, desire takes you there, but not back', no more, I'm just another old story." This is his best work in years. This album seems very inspired, very alive. There's so much feeling in this album that it spills out into the listeners. I think the fact that Gary was in charge of everything on this album made the difference. My first recollection of Gary Numan is when I was visiting friends in Canada and someone showed me the "Brand New" Telekon album they just picked up. I was a mere 8 years old. I've collected everything I could find from him since then. We need a U.S. Tour soon... I hope to meet everyone here. - Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 20:24:38 -0500 From: PaddyGav@aol.com Subject: Help Me! To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Here in the midwest, where the radio (regardless of so called format) only plays "Zombie", Pearl Jam, or Sheryl Crow, I am finding it increasingly hard to get Numan albums (forget about singles!). Where would the best mail order hut be to get them discs? I ordered "Refugee" on a cd single some three months ago, and still don't know what it sounds like. In the mean time, some one send me a discography that covers post-"Ghost". I have the IRS stuff and the rather dreadful "Machine + Soul" (which I later found as "Machine +Soul Extended"). What kind of video is out there? Books? If someone could clue me in it would be greatly appreciated. For me (being a Numan fan in Garth Brooks country), this is a great resource! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 14:20:33 -0500 From: TerryS5723@aol.com Subject: mailing list To: numan@cs.uwp.edu please add my name to mailing list.Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 95 13:39:44 GMT From: Ashley Pomeroy Subject: Numan's nu gear To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I've always been a fan of the old analogue synthesizers that Gary used to use in the Seventies, and, considering that he just bought some new equipment, it would be nice if he could record a coupla tracks with retro gear. I've heard in interviews that Gary prefers modern synthesizers, but one only has to compare the live versions of Cars, from 1979 and 1993, to hear the difference.... ----- O--------------------------------------------------O | Q: Why is a Cone mysterious when it's underneath | | a musical instrument? | | | | A: Because it's a CONE-UNDER-DRUM! | O--------------------------------------------------O ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:54:25 -0500 From: PST79543@aol.com Subject: Numan newsgroup To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Unsubscribe Numan news PST79543 @aol.com ------------------------------ Date: 03 Jan 00 23:01:08 -0500 From: Sean.Caszatt@f512.n2601.z1.fidonet.org (Sean Caszatt) Subject: Sacrifice & Depression To: numan@cs.uwp.edu In the most recent issue of the Gary Numan Digest, Derek Langsford wrote that he thought that repeated exposure to SACRIFICE may have led to depression. Although I know Derek still thinks the album is good and one of Gary's best works, I have to disagree with him about its contributions to depression. I offer my personal experience with SACRIFICE: I received my CD of SACRIFICE shortly before Christmas. I listened to it constantly. I taped it and listened to it in my car pretty much non-stop up until New Year's Day. On January 2nd, I became very sick. After a visit to the hospital emergency room, I was told that I had been lucky enough to get chickenpox. (I'm 27 years old.) Although chickenpox is a relatively minor disease to children, it's rather serious in adults. I was not just sick, I was SICK! I wasn't able to do much of anything during the two weeks that I was sequestered. No work, no school...nothing. I did, however, listen to SACRIFICE...a lot. I found that I could relate to the lyrics. (For brevity's sake, I won't quote each and every possible thing I could relate to.) The themes of alienation, religious beliefs (or lack thereof), and the basic mood of the album were all something I could grab on to and use to give me some kind of strength to get better. I had a disease that could have been fatal (although highly unlikely, but it has killed adults); I was covered in scars, and I couldn't go anywhere to escape. I wasn't depressed at all though; I was smiling with every odd lyric that seemed to apply to me. Since being sick, I haven't stopped listening to SACRIFICE. I don't listen to it non-stop like I did before, but I still have in in the CD player at least every other day. Did Gary Numan and SACRIFICE save me? No, not hardly. My point is that SACRIFICE didn't make me depressed. It gave me something to enjoy while I was sick. It made me feel a little bit better. It still does. Sean Caszatt caszatt@delphi.com sean.caszatt@f512.n2601.z1.fidonet.org ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************