Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 11:24:35 CST From: numan@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #124 Gary Numan Digest Mon, 27 Mar 95 Volume 1 : Issue 124 Today's Topics: #1(2) Gary Numan Digest V1 #123 Absolution A Few Thoughts a quick hello Gary Numan Digest V1 #123 Introduction Is there a FAQ? Should there be? Living Ornaments New Single Numa Records Year 1 Reply to Berserker news (& making copies) Review: Absolution EP Switch my address... The Unborn (movie) on laserdisc ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 03:47:25 -0500 From: Scorbie@aol.com Subject: #1(2) Gary Numan Digest V1 #123 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu In responce to Greg Samsons note of getting a DAT copy of BERSERKER to this mysterious CD maker , I have a DAT deck but unfortunately do not own a copy of the Berserker CD . If there is a trusting owner of it I would be more than happy to copy it and send it on . We should make arrangments with the CD recorder person , get the cost from him per CD , get all the orders in and do it now !!! If there isn't a Numanoid with a DAT deck and a copy of BRSKR someone will have to make a leap of faith for the rest of us and let me copy it direct ! Contact me directly at Scorbie@aol.com to make arrangments ! We are clean , don't ask . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:34:35 -0800 From: dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Jeff said: >Like some of you I'd love to be able to debate the new Sacrifice CD, but I >simply don't have it yet. If it's depressing or the best thing Gary's >put out in years - I can't comment yet. Know where I can find it? What >I can do is pose another question on the Machine and Soul Extended CD. >Can anyone tell me why the last four tracks on the CD itself and the back >sleeve contain: Dark Mountain, The Hauntings, In A Glasshouse, and Hanoi, >but they're NOT actually on it? Is this just another Ooops like the >Letters/Face to Face thing during the Warriors period? I know the tracks >were released on previous CD singles, but wanted to know if there was any >"official" explanation for this. Responses to mtolva@eagle.ibc.edu - thanks. Sacrifice is very dark but also the best thing he's done in ages. You'll have to hear it to understand. I hope the on-line services I mentioned last week can help. As for M+S extended, the word from Beryl was that the error was not noticed until after copies had been distributed by Pinnacle and the Fan Club. I don't know who was responsible but I suspect it was the manufacturer (Mayking Records) not Numa. The deficient CDs were withdrawn and replaced with the full 13 track CD but not before many copies were sold. The initial copies imported to the USA were the short version. I doubt if non-UK stores bothered to send their copies back or even know of the problem. The only way to tell if a copy is the 9 or 13 track version is to stick it in a CD player. Some consider the 9 track version a collectors item. I doubt it will ever have much extra value because the demand is not going to be very great. Hope that answers your question, Derek (who has the 13 track version & the CD singles) ______________________________________________________________________________ Derek Langsford "Numanews" dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu The Gary Numan Digest SDSU Dept of Biology email numan-request@cs.uwp.edu San Diego, CA for information or to subscribe ____________________________________________________________________________ __ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 12:35:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Andy McHaffie Subject: Absolution To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Well, after hearing the phenomenal 'Sacrifice' CD, I rushed out to HMV and bought the new 'Absolution' single. Well, Ive only heard it twice, but Im afraid my honest opinion is that its a big pile of poo. I'll give it a few more listens tonight, and try to come up with something more constyructive next week. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:16:59 -0700 (MST) From: "BRIAN D. HAMMOND" Subject: A Few Thoughts To: numan@cs.uwp.edu That Japanese CD3 _Exhibition_ is quite rare, at least in the U.S. As for the "All Across the Nation" CD single, I think there may have been some confusion. The single is a UK pressing, much like all the 12" singles were. The actual _Radio Heart_ CD, which is exceedinly rare (I've only seen one once and it already had an owner), was a Holland pressing. Very few copies made it out before Numan pulled the plug on the whole deal. I would check with Beryl before making DAT copies of _Berserker_. There could be a copyright infringement issue here which has the potential of hurting relations between this digest and the official fan club, something we definitely don't want to happen. As for the "Change Your Mind" question, it should also be mentioned that, if you can find it, Bill Sharpe's solo album _Famous People_ on CD also contains an extended version of "Change Your Mind" I don't know which version it is since I don't have this CD. I saw it once, and decided not to buy it, as I already had the LP and didn't like the rest of the album. Silly me...it was gone a week later. While Music Machine's prices are somehwat expensive, they are a reliable company. I've ordered from them in the past, and have no complaints. They advertise frequently in Goldmine and bear the Goldmine seal of approval (which means they have received very few consumer complaints in a given year). I'd try to answer the questions about "This Wreckage" and "S.Us" but I'm certain that others will in a far better way than I, so with that.... Me! I Disconnect From You ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 00:41:29 -0500 From: BarryJason@aol.com Subject: a quick hello To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Briefly-- In 1990, after listening to his music for years, I began seriously collecting Numan releases. Over the past five years (with an old Music Collector discography as my guide) I've obtained practically all of the standard U.K. 7", 10", 12", picture disc, & CD formats of his singles. I'm still searching for two definite items ("No More Lies" CD Single and "Berzerker" on CD) and I have questions about a few others ("Radio Heart" formats, "Living Ornaments" on CD, vinyl formats of his most recent singles). "Sacrafice" was a true surprise-- his strongest album in years. Just today I bought the "Absolution" CD single and I'm anxious to find the extended version of the album. And of course, I'm very curious about what to expect next. I collect a number of artists in addition to Numan, the majority of them 80's alternative synth music. I attend most of the Los Angeles area record shows, occasionally selling at them as well. I'm very interested in linking up with other collectors, both to buy and to sell. Nothing more to add now, except that I'm completely new to the internet and this forum, so if I've said or done anything particularly naive or idiotic-- well, there you are Look forward to hearing from you-- Barry Jason Marx, Los Angeles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 11:31:27 -0800 (PST) From: atomic@netcom.com (atomic city) Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #123 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu >Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:05:05 -0800 (PST) >From: Velocity-9 >Subject: Berserker news >To: numan@cs.uwp.edu > >so far i've got 41 people who have mailed me about interest in at >least one copy of berserker. > >however, one of those people has access to a writeable CD unit. > >BIG QUESTION: > >what are peoples' thoughts about getting this fellow a DAT of the >Berserker CD and making a few copies? and possible color xeroxes >of the booklet? > >thoughts, anyone? > >-gts/uwiz (Greg Samson, punkboy@u.washington.edu) If this happens, I'd better not find out about it. It's illegal, immoral, unethical, and unjustifiable. I don't give a damn that the CD is out of print and hard to find; that doesn't make stealing digital copies morally right or legally defensible. It says very clearly on the CD rerelease of BERSERKER: "reproduction prohibited." What part of that don't you understand? Vote NO on this half-assed idea. Show some respect to Gary as an artist in control of his own work and the copyright thereto. And if Gary's too abstract a concept for you to deal with as a human being, think of what will happen to Derek if Gary learns of such copies and Beryl finds out that the idea was launched on this mailing list. Sorry to be so vehement, but I'm a professional musician myself, with a large catalog of releases I'm trying hard to sell, and the thought of someone burning a CD-R copy of my music because it's too hard to find the real thing makes me mad enough to eat nails. -- mike metlay * atomic city * p. o. box 81175 * pittsburgh, pa 15217-0675 usa atomic@netcom.com * atomic-city@netcom.com * http://pd.net/atomic-city --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "how come every time i try to do eno i wind up with donald fagen?" (ronin) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 13:20:30 -0500 From: WTonnies@aol.com Subject: Introduction To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hi all. My name is Bill Tonnies. I have been a Numan fan since 1979 when I was in tenth grade. I've got "Tubeway Army" - "I, Assassin" on vinyl and "Exhibition", "Strange Charm" and "Dream Corrosion" on CD. I am looking for CDs to replace my vinyl. My favorite album would have to be "Replicas." I really like Gary's more (wha t I call) stripped-down, synthesizer-based music. I can't say that I have been able to "connect" with "Strange Charm." How does Gary's more recent work compare to it? By trade I'm a Senior Systems Engineer, which is a fancy name for programmer. My hobbies include motorcycling, photography and astronomy. My musical tastes run the entire gamut, from classical to new (old?) wave. Anything but rap and twangy country. The biggest chunks of real estate in my CD collection are occupied by the Cure, Depeche Mode, Elton John, Mozart, O.M.D., R.E.M. and Simple Minds.Currently I am going through a Dead Can Dance phase. It's amazing (and gratifying) to see that there is so much interest in Gary Numan. 'Til next time. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 95 13:04:08 EST From: "Kay Teel" Subject: Is there a FAQ? Should there be? To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Have we reached the time when we should be compiling a FAQ? Right off the top of my head, I can think of a few things to be included: * basic biographical info about Numan * what happened to -- {the members of Tubeway Army, etc etc} * where can I get -- {the latest Numan release -- include some addresses/online dealers/starting-off points for finding the new releases} * the saga of the Berserker CD * cryptic lyrics deciphered -- {S.U.'s, Jo the Waiter, the Japanese bit in This Wreckage, etc.} * list of Numan homepages If no one else has begun a FAQ, I'd be happy to help compile one. I really can't attempt this on my own -- I doubt any of us can, but maybe working together we can get one up and running. So, gang, what do y'all think? (And if there IS a FAQ already, and somehow I've missed it, mea culpa, mea culpa...) --Kay teelk@elmer1.bobst.nyu.edu ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 95 16:23:35 GMT From: Ashley Pomeroy Subject: Living Ornaments To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I recently had the good fortune to acquire a mint condition copy of the Living Ornaments boxed set for 4 English pounds sterling, GMT. First question- How much is it *really* worth, given that it was only released for a month? I also bought the 12" of Complex (for 1.35), and, given that the two B- side songs were live versions (Me! I Disconnect From You and Bombers) not on the Living Ornaments albums (not to mention On Broadway), there is a Second question- Does anybody have a setlist for the Touring Principle ('79) or Teletour ('80)? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:09:26 +0000 From: Traviss Willcox Subject: New Single To: numan@cs.uwp.edu This may be old news by the time it hits the digest but the new single "Sbsolution" is out in the UK, it's in two versions, both appear to have the same tracks on, one is a normal CD the other is a Picture CD that shows a picture akin to the Sacrifice album cover. The tracks, just 3, Absolution and a couple of remixes of Magic, not terribly good value, might have least have put something different on the Picture CD version...... stlg8 for 3 tracks to keep a complete set, oh well not to worry. Traviss ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 20:43:46 -0500 From: Cbbrad@aol.com Subject: Numa Records Year 1 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello all Got some questions concerning this vinyl album, hopefully someone can answer them. 1. Was this ablum ever released as a CD? It came out in 1986 and the number is Numa 1004. 2. Also were any other albums released for later years? Covering Numa Records in years 2 and on. I know for awhile Gary released material not on his own label. For anyone who do not have this album. It contains four songs of Gary's along with songs from John Webb, Caroline Munro, Hohokam, Grey Parade, Steve Braun and Paul Gardiner. Thanks for any help. Brad And silence is one of the most powerful tools at your command ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:20:24 -0800 From: dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: Reply to Berserker news (& making copies) To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Velocity-9 said last week: >so far i've got 41 people who have mailed me about interest in at >least one copy of berserker. That is great. I mentioned to Beryl that you were gathering names in support of a repressing. I think if they did re-press it, Pinnacle would pick it up and it would became a general release. I mentioned to Beryl that the initial very limited release cannot possibly have reached its full potential market. I told her that potentially a minimum sales total could be estimated from the sales figures for White Noise and Ghost and that sales should be higher because it is a studio album, the only one that has not seen general release on CD, and is counted among many fans as one of their favourites. I really hope that it will see general release some day in the future. If the deal with Pinnacle was set up before the CDs were pressed I think it would still be out there on the shelves. But for some reason, they just missed the boat and we are all waiting for the next one. If it does get rereleased I hope it gets remastered as I think it could be a little sharper. >however, one of those people has access to a writeable CD unit. >BIG QUESTION: >what are peoples' thoughts about getting this fellow a DAT of the >Berserker CD and making a few copies? and possible color xeroxes >of the booklet? >thoughts, anyone? I have the greatest sympathy for those who desperately want this CD. I remember vividly how I wanted the album on CD and how frustrating it was not to have it after its limited release. I don't want to sound glib because I do have a copy, however, this is a very serious issue and should not be taken lightly. Without approval from Numa there could be moral and legal consequences : 1. it violates Numa's copyright and denies Numa their royalties; 2. it could make the CD replicator and the Digest subject to legal action; 3. it could harm the relationship between the Numan organization and myself resulting in my being excommunicated by Beryl. We have a pretty good thing going here. I have access to the most up-to-date news from Beryl. I told Beryl about how Gary could access the Digest with his new computer hoping someday he might actually join us here. I hope that next time I am in the UK I might be able to set up an exclusive interview with Gary for the Digest during which I can ask your questions. If Numa get wind of counterfeit CDs and that the Digest was the reason for its occurrence all this might be in jeopardy. I am not sure Numa would have the wherewithall to file a lawsuit in the USA against those responsible. I do know they are sueing the guys behind My World Storm UK Fanzine for producing bootleg CDs and videos of last year's tour. I personally could not condone making copies unless written approval is obtained from Numa. I would also prefer to see certain restrictions applied. 1. written approval from Numan Music Ltd, as mentioned above; 2. a limit to the number made that would equal the number ordered; 3. none to be offered for sale on the open market; 4. no profit to be made from the discs, only cost coverage; 5. the maker should send a royalty payment to Numa for each CD made. If Numa do not give permission then I don't think any should be made. I would prefer if people try to be patient and wait for an official release. I know it's hard. Next time I call Beryl I will specifically ask about a potential re-pressing. Maybe I can speak to Tony who deals with the business side of things. I am sure the topic will cause quite a debate in the Digest. My 2 cents worth, Derek ______________________________________________________________________________ Derek Langsford "Numanews" dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu The Gary Numan Digest SDSU Dept of Biology email numan-request@cs.uwp.edu San Diego, CA for information or to subscribe ____________________________________________________________________________ __ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 23:24:04 -0800 From: dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: Review: Absolution EP To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Gary Numan Absolution NUCD27 A. Absolution 4.35 AA. Magic (Trick Mix) 4.08 EXT. Magic (Extended Edit) 6.29 total 15.31 AA original mix from "Sacrifice" NUMA 1011 EXT from "Sacrifice (Ext Mixes)" NUMACDX 1011 Written, produced, engineered and mixed by Gary Numan Gary's latest single is a double A-side bringing together a new song, presumably from the "Sacrifice" sessions, along with a new mix of "Magic" from that album. "Absolution" is another dark, atmospheric, mood creating song most akin to "The Seed of Lie" from "Sacrifice". To fully appreciate the song you need to use a decent sound system, preferably with a sub-woofer. The bass synths boom and growl at almost imperceptibly low frequencies that would be lost on a discman with headphones or a boombox. It is these chords that give the song its presence and power. The song opens with ascending chord progressions of these synth sounds combined with triangle-like sounds before the familiar "Sacrifice" beat enters and Gary's controlled vocals start. "I would swim across oceans to talk with you, I would climb a tall mountain just to look at you." The song seems to be about total, unquestionable devotion. "This is absolute, this is absolution." Again Gary does his own backing vocals providing a break between the penultimate and ultimate choruses. This may be the least complex song so far from these sessions. That may lead some to find it dull and uneventful but Gary again succeeds in creating a very distinct mood with a very distinct sound. It won't get radio play, but that is not the point. After initial doubts (I heard snippets first over a phone) I have been seduced into liking and appreciating the song very much. Don't dismiss it without giving it a few listenings on a decent sound system. The mixes of "Magic" do not do anything strange or weird to the original song. The "trick Mix" starts off with the "Ay-oh, Ay-Oh" vocal break before going directly into the main structure of the song. The longer atmospheric intro of the album version is omitted. The outro is also mostly gone, making the version a much more radio friendly one - an attempt to not completely exclude the possibility of radio play. The extended mix, to be found on the forthcoming and much anticipated extended mixes "Sacrifice" is a typical Numan extended mix. It takes the original, inserts some extra intro, adds an instrumental break in the middle and repeats the chorus an extra time or two. Gary could have done a bit more with the song and added some new interpretation. "Magic" would not have been my choice as a single but the conservative treatment in the extended mix bodes well for the rest of the extended mixes album. "Sacrifice" is too good to radically alter. Arbitrary rating - 7/10, or, +2 on the Erland scale. Addendum: Phantom import distributors have upped their import prices by $1 per single and $2 per album. My local dealer is charging $11.99 for CD singles and $22.99 for album CDs as a result. To me this rise is completely unjustified for UK CDs as the British pound has been steady against the dollar for well over a year despite the recent drop of the dollar against the Yen and Deutschmark. On- line import sellers are looking more and more competitive. Derek -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek H. Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu Dept. of Biology Tel. (619) 594 2885 San Diego State University -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 22 Mar 95 17:07:09 EST From: Simon George Bone <70324.1340@compuserve.com> Subject: Switch my address... To: Numan News ...back to this one, please, Derek. Thanks, Simon Simon G Bone | "Lass doch all die Deppen Potsdamer Str 63 Apt 913 | Ihre Paeckchen schleppen D-10785 Berlin GERMANY | Doppel-Whopper fressen Tel (+49) (30) 261-5625 | Was war ist laengst vergessen" 70324.1340@compuserve.com | --Tamara Danz/SILLY Simon=Bone@rz.hu-berlin.de (Humboldt University) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 95 10:48:29 EST From: richard@dgbt.doc.ca (Richard Paiement) Subject: The Unborn (movie) on laserdisc To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I found some Imart catalogs which feature videotapes and laserdiscs. Although they have no Numan titles, I did find the following title on laserdisc, which might interest some of you. UNBORN, THE THE UNBORN RCA91486 30.74 1191 That can be read as THE UNBORN, released in November 1991, and selling for US$30.74. (Isn't this a good price for laserdisc?) For those of you who don't know, THE UNBORN is an American horror movie, and it features a complete soundtrack from our favourite, Mr Numan. Unfortunately, this soundtrack is still unavailable, so this laserdisk might be the best source for it. For more information, Imart can be reached at imart@netcom.com For the record, I have no business affiliation with Imart, I don't know them, nor have I ever done business with them. I don't have a copy of this laserdisc, or of any other laserdisc. I have however seen the movie THE UNBORN, and though the story gets a bit cheesy at times, the soundtrack is EXCELLENT. Richard Paiement ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************