Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 18:23:53 CDT From: numan@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #136 Gary Numan Digest Tue, 20 Jun 95 Volume 1 : Issue 136 Today's Topics: Administrivia (2 msgs) Aircrash Bureau BBS Anwers to Nilo's questions AOL Redux Babylon 3 bronzing CD address again (was:I was Wrong....) Canadian Exhibition dark light, responses to Digest #135 Digest T-shirts Follow up to Dark Light review Gary Numan Digest V1 #135 Greetings Help!!!! Latest Fan Club News Nash The Slash No question of faith now Numania Outland Revisited Photograph-the whole story....and more! Possibe "Strange Charm" source? SET LISTS...etc t-shirts, alas The Definitive Poll - Update 2 Trivia - something I just noticed this week unsubscribe US Gary Numan Fan Club Vote to Keep Digest ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 15:28:50 -0800 From: dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: Administrivia To: datta@cs.uwp.edu >From your Numan Digest Producers The problem that caused this week's "netfart" has been found and presumably corrected. We are sorry if it caused inconvenience but it must be said that the problem was not of our doing (is it ever? :-). Here's the lowdown. Some "stupid" machines sent the whole of last week's Digest back to the list several times. That was the repetition. The Digest then became so large (over 400K), many machines wouldn't deliver it. This time, it was 2 machines in the Netherlands and AOL's mailer. Usually, AOL doesn't do this. This type of thing is getting more and more common lately as people who don't know how to admin systems and set them up incorrectly. It then causes problems for mailing lists such as ours. People with accounts on offending machines may find themselves removed from the subscription list in an attempt to stop causing these problems. AOLers need not fear this fate as it is not usually a problem with AOL. One of the difficulties the Numan Digest has is that being a weekly or possibly twice weekly thing is that it does not run on the majordomo software that most daily digests and mailing lists use. The software used is some 5 years old and has not kept pace with the increasing anarchy that is prevalent on the Internet. In the future, especially if the Digest becomes even larger we may be forced to go to a daily format or to have it triiggered by size. Both would be run with majordomo software and many of the problems currently occurring would be eliminated, until the next wave of bugs make themselves known, of course. That is for the future. For now, the question is whether to go to a twice a week format or not (See ADMINSTRIVIA before emailing your opinion). What follows is a clean copy of Digest #136 and is 64K long. Happy reading, Derek Langsford Dave Datta -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek H. Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu Dept. of Biology Tel. (619) 594 2885 San Diego State University Fax (619) 594 7831 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:58:47 -0800 From: dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Fellow Digest readers, Apologies for the problems with last week's Digest. Problems seem unavoidable. The size of the Digest may have had something to do with it which leads me to what I want to ask here. Some of you have raised the idea of changing the format of the Digest because it is becoming too big for one issue per week. In the past we have discussed the idea of more Digests per week, changing into a newsgroup, having a newsgroup and Digest version, and having a reflector operation. In the last poll, not changing was the winner by a plurality. Other ideas had supporters but also detractors. The main worries about changing were lowering the quality and filling subscriber's mailboxes with email. The arguments for changing were: it's too big; response time is too slow: it prohibits lively discussion (though not of late), and exposure to the remainder of the net is limited. Since that time the Digest has become bigger each week, reaching 60K recently, and now has 260 subscribers! After consultation with Dave Datta at cs.uwp.edu (who says this can be done) I am proposing a poll on the question: "Should the Gary Numan Digest appear twice per week instead of once?" I hope that this change, if met with the subscriber's approval, would ease size problems (though probably only temporarily) plus encourage faster response times and discussion without filling up people's mailboxes or bringing in worthless contributions. I see it as a conservative compromise suggested in the light of the Digest's increasing unwieldiness. VOTING ------ Please send email to me at: dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu DO NOT POST YOUR VOTE TO THE DIGEST! I will summarize the voting but if you have strong opinions you may post them to the Digest if you wish. In the subject line write: "yes vote" to vote yes on the change, or "no vote" to vote no on the change. Please do not send any comments in the body of the message as I will be filtering the emails into two mailboxes and automatically tallying the votes from those boxes i.e. I will not be reading anything contained in the message body. I will post a reminder next week. Voting will close on Friday June 30,1995 at 12 pm PST (Pacific Daylight Time i.e GMT 7.00 pm, BST 8.00 pm) so that results will be posted in the digest appearing on Sunday July 2. Please try and vote - numbers were quite small last time. I'd like to have at least 100 participants. Thanks, Derek __________________________________________________________________________ Derek Langsford "Numanews" dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu The Gary Numan Digest SDSU Dept of Biology email numan-request@cs.uwp.edu San Diego, CA for information or to subscribe __________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 18:03:20 +0100 From: Jon Lester Subject: Aircrash Bureau BBS To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Those of you in the Chicago area or those of you who don't mind a long distance bill might be curious about a BBS called the Aircrash Bureau. Call 1-312-278-1195. Basically a neighborhood kind of board but a nice one. -Jon +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jon Lester / RTE, 1185 Robert Hardeman Rd., Winterville, GA 30683-9719 USA FAX (706) 742-5110 http://www.grady.uga.edu/ML/Fitzpatrick/RTE.html jonl@draco.exsol.com / jon.lester@index.com / tahiti@athensnet.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:34:25 -0800 From: dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: Anwers to Nilo's questions To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I'll answer Nilo's question in the Digest as some of our new subscribers may be interested too. Last week Nilo asked: While browsing through some archives of this digest I read that Gary will release a 'ballad' album and an 'unplugged' album. I can't say that I am looking forward to them. Gary doing an 'unplugged' album? Just now that he was on the right direction again with the Sacrafice CD he is doing this... Does anyone agree? Gary has been promising a ballad album for more than a year. It will be a compilaton of his ballads with maybe two new ones. I personally find Gary's ballads to be some of his most enjoyable songs so I am looking forward to it. I know many agree, others disagree. As for the unplugged album I am keeping an open mind. Gary's instention is to perhaps do a small club set with a live audience. Soem songs lend themsleves well to an unplugged sound e.g. Down in the Park which already has a piano only version and Jo the waiter, which starts off acoustically anyway. I think it would take a lot of arranging to make many songs work acoustically. Out go the synths. It could work brilliantly if done right, it could be dreadful. We'll have to wait and see. I read quit some discussions about re-releasing Berserker (and Strange Charm and The Fury as well). What is the exact status on this subject? By the way I occasionally see copies of The Fury in record stores here in Holland. Why don't I see any discussion about re-releasing Metal Rhytm? Numa have been wanting to rerelease "The Fury" and "Strange Charm" on CD for many years now, but unlike "Ghost" and "White Noise' have not got around to it. The others were released because they had never seen CD before, unlike Fury and SC. "Berserker" saw a very limited UK Fan Club only CD release in 1991/92 but I have been championing a general release ever since they ran out. Beryl Webb, Gary's mother and coordinator of the UK Fan Club acknowledged that a re-pressing of Berserker CDs was warranted mainly due to the demand from non-UK fans! (our voice is being heard). I have been trying to speak with her this week on to keep the momentum going on this but have got her answering machine 5 times in a row :-(. IRS Records to my knowledge, still have the rights to "Metal Rhythm" so Gary cannot rerelease it on his Numa label. I doubt IRS will ever do so again so we will ahve to wait until Gary regains the rights before it sees daylight again. My advice is to keep your eyes open for it at new and used CD stores. It probably will appear now and then. I read that Derek posted a letter to Gary thanking him for his excellent work on Sacrifice. Has Gary replied at all to this letter? This is another thing I am wanting to ask Beryl about. Gary hasn't replied personally though. I worry that any response got lost in the details of other things or that Gary never indicated his reaction to it to Beryl. Beryl said she'd ask Gary about when I last spoke to her but she may have forgotten (Gary Called on their family line while i was talking to Beryl and she said she'd have to call him back as she was speaking to someeone in the States). It has been over 2 months since I last spoke with her. I live in Holland and was just thinking of subscribing to the UK Numan fanclub but I read somewhere that they don't accept any non-UK members is this true? The UK Fan Club cut-off non-UK/Ireland members back in 1988? Since Beryl has tried to accomodate foreign fans by linking up with individuals in other coutries who handle everything for that country. I'll ask if she had a Dutch contact trhough which you could get UK Fan Club materials. I read some discussions about setting up a FAQ for Numan (-related subjects). I would surely appreciate it. As indicated last week by Kay (coincident with my quiery, Hi Kay!) a FAQ is under construction. I am interested in internet (TELNET or WWW) addresses of UK or European-based CD mail- order companies. Can anyone supply them? The only one I know of is Pastel Blue in the UK. PastelBlue CDs and Videos ..... http://www.demon.co.uk/pastel/ Mike Crawley .................. Mike@pastel.demon.co.uk Search server is now at ....... search@pastel.demon.co.uk Orders can be sent to ......... orders@pastel.demon.co.uk I have no idea how good they are but they seem legitimate and well organized. Derek __________________________________________________________________________ Derek Langsford "Numanews" dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu The Gary Numan Digest SDSU Dept of Biology email numan-request@cs.uwp.edu San Diego, CA for information or to subscribe __________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:52:22 -0400 From: annagrey@sover.net (Clea Boone) Subject: AOL Redux To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Okay, for all AOL'ers, we meet in private room 'cry the clock said', Thursday nights 10:00 PM EST. Email me (DeviXF@aol.com) for more info, or whatever. Clea DeviXF@aol.com (.us) annagrey@sover.net (.us) ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jun 95 18:48:40 EDT From: Colin Edwards <100025.463@compuserve.com> Subject: Babylon 3 To: Numan Digest article Hi all, Babylon 3 will now contain Shame, the track performed so brilliantly live on the Dream Corrosion tour, and included on the DC CD (palindromic!!) Other hot news:- New album is progressing well, 3 tracks at demo stage, more dark and menacing than Sacrifice by all accounts. Ballad album also still on it's way. Instrumental album, containing most of Unborn soundtrack may also appear this year. A Numan extravanganza is being held in Manchester in August 95, to include record and memorabilia sales, rare Numan video footage, live bands doing covers, Numan himself may attend etc., if anyone wants details let me know and I will post them on the digest. As for the last 2 tours, a coach will be following the 96 tour, overnight stays at the same hotels used by Gary and the band, this is probably the best way for some of the US based fans to get around and see Gary is they can spare a week or so in April 96. Again I can post the details should there be any demand. Darklight is superb, and don't believe the criticism of I Dream of Wires, it is excellent. Colin - "the strangest living boy........" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:11:14 -0800 From: dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: bronzing CD address again (was:I was Wrong....) To: numan@cs.uwp.edu On Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 09:55:14 -0400 annagrey@sover.net (Clea Boone) asked: > Okay, I take back what I said in my intro letter about 'Isolate, >it's not all that bad. I've been listening to it all week long, and a few >songs really stand out--'The Secret' (is that Bowie in the background >chorus, or is it just me?), the original version of 'Berserker', which I'd >previously only heard live on 'White Noise' and as a single I got from >someone, 'Call out the dogs' (with sampling from Blade Runner?), and 'This >is Love', which, IMHO, ranks up there with 'Poetry and Power' in terms of >suckiness. So, I was Wrong. Can someone give me the address to exchange >my rapidly bronzing 'Isolate' again? I have always thought the chorus vocals of 'The Secret' sound a lot like Bowie. There has never been any indication of it actually being him or Gary and Bowie having ever worked together despite many originally thinking Gary was heavily influenced by Bowie even to the point of plagiarism. I think bowie paved the way for artists like Gary but reject the idea that Gary has copied him. "Isolate" is a good collection IMO, bar the inclusion of the Emotion CD mix which is too long, has appeared elsewhere numerous times, and is completely out of place chronologically (all tracks are 1984, 85 and 86 except Emotion which came after another two studio albums in 1991). If you suspect any of your PDO UK CDs are undergoing bronzing you can exchange them directly. Remember that PDO UK discs are a pale gold colour anyway on the label side. Bronzing is a deep burnt orange colour that bleeds into the disc's label side from the inner and outer rims. I think the offending Isolate pressing run as an "01" at the end of the matrix number that is on the inner rim of the disc along with the "Made in UK by PDO" and the catalogue number. My new copy has "02" at the end indicating it is a new pressing run. Send the discs to PDO at: Helpline PDO Discs Ltd UK Philips Road Blackburn Lancashire BB1 5RZ UK Send only the discs without the jewel cases or booklets etc. Package them well between cardboard pieces and in bubble wrap and put them in a padded mailer. Add a note to say you suspect your discs are bronzing and would appreciate replacements if thy are indeed bronzing. Send them airmail as surface takes 6 to 8 weeks. >I don't suppose there's a US address... The problem is with PDO UK discs not PDO USA so they have to go to the UK. Airmail for one disc without it's jewel case via small packet rate is about $1 or so - not a huge impostion by any means considering you probaly paid upwards of $20 for the disc in the first place. It should take about a week to get there, surface which will save you a few pennies takes 6 to 8 *weeks*! Cheers, Derek __________________________________________________________________________ Derek Langsford "Numanews" dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu The Gary Numan Digest SDSU Dept of Biology email numan-request@cs.uwp.edu San Diego, CA for information or to subscribe __________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:50:17 -0800 From: dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: Canadian Exhibition To: numan@cs.uwp.edu "Kent C. Burt" said: >i recently picked up a used CD copy of _exhibition_. aside from a having >a scratch which renders "on broadway" and "are 'friends' electric?" >unplayable, i also noticed that the last 50 seconds of "this wreckage" >are tracked as the first 50 seconds of what should be "cars" (tracks >17/18, i think?) - and then there are a few seconds of silence until the >track continues with "cars." are all _exhibition_ CDs like this? or is >it just the polygram canada first-run pressings? i was also wondering if >someone could send me e-mail listing where each song comes from >originally. other than the slight booklet, there's no info in this >disc. i tried the discog, but it wasn't much help. Canada's Polygram release of "Exhibition" was a shoddy affair but at least there was one. It differs from the UK Beggars Banquet release in several ways. You mention the screw up with the track timing but also the TPP version of "Cars" appears twice on the set. The UK version has the 7" "E Reg Model" version only. In addition, the Canadian release has the singles from the Sharpe and Numan project - 'Change Your Mind', 'No More Lies' and 'Voices' which the UK release does not have. That may make it collectible for non-Canadian fans who do not have any of the Sharpe & Numan material which is now very rare on CD. I suspect the Canadian "Exhibition" is deleted now but that needs to be confirmed. The discography doesn't list where the tracks come from but if you go through the pre Berserker albums you will find all the tracks. >recently i mentioned the US releases and couldn't remember the second. >well, it's _replicas_/_the plan_. now i can't remember the other. 8) I've not heard of any US releases of the BB material, only a rumour they may be in the works. Are you sure they are not the UK releases? They are very reasonably priced at probably around $CAN 30 up there. Derek -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek H. Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu Dept. of Biology Tel. (619) 594 2885 San Diego State University Fax (619) 594 7831 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:54 -0500 (EST) From: scott_levitt@merck.com (Scott Levitt) Subject: dark light, responses to Digest #135 To: Gary Numan Digest I picked up my copy of dark light yesterday (6/11). Some of the songs from Sacrifice are better than their studio versions-a few drum fills and some top end make a big difference. Replicas is great-I would have never thought this song could come across so well live. In response to some of last weeks postings: >Tony Boies wrote: >"Gary can still hit some of those high notes!" He did lower I'm An Agent a step from its original key. I don't think he could ever hit some of the notes in that song. Concerning high notes, when I last saw Gary perform live (1982) he did Crash. I was pretty confident he hadn't actually sung the chorus on the album (I figured it had been electronically "enhanced"), and I was quite sure that it was out of his vocal range. Sure enough, when he got to the chorus, he sang nothing (which is better than an unsuccessful "strain," I guess). >Trevor wrote: >"That is the first time I've heard Numan played in a record store!" I was shocked yesterday when I went to pick up dark light-A Game Called Echo was playing, followed by Complex. This was my first time hearing Numan in a record store also. ++++++++++++++++++++++ "I like some bitch to scare me" ++++++++++++++++++++++ (Yeah, I know it was wrong last week.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 22:36:00 +1000 From: Donald Neil Pedder Subject: Digest T-shirts To: numan@cs.uwp.edu reference - #134 On the subject of digest t-shirts the question was raised with regards to TM problems. Since this IS "Numanews - the GARY NUMAN Digest" I don't think there is any problem having THAT on the t-shirt. There would DEFINITELY be a problem if we were the "'Are 'Friends' Electric?' Society" or something like that. This THOUGHT gave me a GREAT idea. Why don't we call ourselves the "ELECTRIC FRIENDS"???!!! This is what we ARE if you think about it. We are all "friends" via the NET. TECHNICALLY speaking "ELECTRONIC FRIENDS" would be the correct term, but that has LESS appeal for the obvious reason. Thoughts? (platitudes :-) ) DONALD PEDDER. "I can see in your eyes, you're not so sure about me. This machine is my voice, Please Listen!". G. NUMAN - "Steel And You" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:19:11 -0800 From: dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: Follow up to Dark Light review To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Ommission from my review last week ---------------------------------- After last week's review of "Dark Light" I realized I ommitted to say anything about what is one of the most impressive performances in the whole concert. "Replicas" the penultimate track of disc one, is stunning, especially coming after the disappointing version of "Praying to the Aliens". The track opens with heavy precussion a la Sacrifice and evolves into a very powerful rendition that I suspect may be performed on future tours. It is one of my favourites from the album. Concert date? ------------- The DL insert states the concert was recorded at the Hammersmith Labbatts's Apollo on Nov 12th. In the AQoF CD single the tour schedule indicates that show occurred on Nov 5th. Gary was scheduled for the London Astoria 2 on Nov 12th. Can anybody clarify? Was it live or was it Memorex? ------------------------------ Paul Mayer, a big Numan fan, who works at a big film/sound studio in New England called me this week to relate a few interesting tidbits about "Dark Light". He gave copies of "Dark Light" and Gary's other CDs to one of their top studio sound engineers to analyse. The verdict came back that DL was not a fully live performance. Either it was doctored in the studio, he played a lot of tapes, or large parts of it of it were programmed beacuse elements of many songs are identical to the studio work. Specifically the intros to songs, some of the percussion, some intrumentation and even some vocals, even on older tracks. Not that Paul minds, he likes the album and thinks it is his best live on in a long time. I was originally suspicious myself after comments on the EP and hearing the album myself. The "Sacrifice" tracks in particular have percissive intros that sound to much like the studio work to be a person playing that manually. I suspect the basic Sacrifice percussion was either tape or programming and the drummer just added to the main beats giving the songs that bit more umphh and power that many have commented on. In addition, some of the instrumental backing on the Sacrifice tracks are just too much like the originals to be live (AQoF, Desire, Magic, Bleed, Love and Napalm). When more live intrumetation is used the sound is distinctly different (Scar, Deadliner which are paler renditions than the other mentioned tracks). I am also suspicious of "I Dream of Wire" and "Stormtrooper in Drag". The synths in IDoW are too close to the studio version and are unlike any other sound produced in the concerts. It was the old thick, analogue synth sound of the early 80s, not the digital thin sound of the synths Gary has used since the mid 80s. I may be wrong but it just doesn't gibe. Gary's voice also seems in finer form than ever before in concert. He is often a bit lazy with enunciation, slurring words for effect. On many tracks this aspect is notably absent and Gary is more accurate than I have ever heard. In particular the Sacrifice tracks almost sound as if he is putting his voice over the studio vocals. I saw Ultravox in concert on their Lament Tour in the UK (Edinburgh Playhouse, 1983) and even with Warren Cann's programmed drums and Billy Currie on synth their live sound was not a patch on their studio sound. I don't know how deft John Webb and Ade Orange are but Ade doubled on bass guitar I think leaving John alone to do all that synth work? Fishy? Do I care? I guess not, but it's worth discussion. This is still one of Gary's best "live" albums IMO. It'd be interesting to find what and how much of it was done. Did it get reworked in the studio and "improved"? Was a substantal part of the backing tracks played via tape? Was the percission programmed? Was Gary lipsynching part of the time? How would we find out? I know a frw of you went to the show. Does it sound the same as what your memory tells you? Were there obvious mismatches in Gary's mouth movement and the vocals? Were there obvious tapes being played? Was John Webb actually playing or hitting buttons? Any insights would be appreciated. BTW, I am not going to castigate Gary if this is true. I appreciate the difficulties of producing live versions of songs that are pure studio creations. Queen would leave the stage or the lights would go off when the complex vocal harmonies of Bohemian Rhapsody arrived because it would have been impossible to perform live without it being laughable. Derek __________________________________________________________________________ Derek Langsford "Numanews" dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu The Gary Numan Digest SDSU Dept of Biology email numan-request@cs.uwp.edu San Diego, CA for information or to subscribe __________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 20:48:19 EDT From: thx1138@angus.mystery.com (Scott Abfalter) Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #135 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) I just read the book "Microserfs" by Douglas Coupland (it's a book who's main characters are fictious Microsoft employees --a must read for all programmer types) and there were a few Gary Numan references in it: (main protagonists girlfriend speaking about phases she went through when young:) "...I went through a phase where I wanted to be a machine. I think this is one of the normal phases people go through now --like the Lord of the Rings phase, the Ayn Rand phase --I honestly didn't want to be flesh; I wanted to be 'precise technology' --like a Los Angeles person; I listened to Kraftwerk and 'Cars' by Gary Numan." Throughout the book there are entries from the protaganist's 'subconcious file' where he supposedly writes down whatever phrases come to mind. Twice there are references to 'the liquid engineers'. And later on, when their company gets funded they go around screaming 'Hey, now we really are _liquid_ engineers!" Another referred to them walking around singing 'Cars' however I can't find that right now for a transcription :) Sort of bugs me that the only song anyone ever mentions by Gary is 'Cars' but the references to the 'liquid engineers' made me realise the author must have at least heard 'Metal' at least once, if not more! Just thought I would share that tidbit, Gary's being used (as the books disclaimer reads) "soley to lend the fiction and appropriate cultural and historical setting". :) Made my day. :) Scott -- Scott Abfalter (thx1138@angus.mystery.com) Mystery Spot BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------?-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:31:08 -0400 From: DavidLeck@aol.com Subject: Greetings To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello everyone, I just joined the list and thought I'd send an introductory letter. I first heard of Gary Numan when "Cars" hit number one in the US. I quickly ran out and bought TPP and was imediately hooked. Gary Numan merchandise was very hard to come by in Tulsa, Oklahoma, but I scoured all the obscure little record stores around the University and amassed quite a collection. It's been sixteen years, but I'm still an avid fan/collector. I must confess, however, that I've never had the pleasure of seeing Gary in concert :-( I am hoping to get a copy of "The Touring Principle" (which I saw in a video store during 1980, but my parents would not buy it for me (I was 11 years old)). If anybody has a copy they would like to sell, please send me e-mail (I'm actually interested in -any- videos, but am eager to acquire the earlier stuff). I just bought my copy of "Dark Light", and feel that it is a tremendous improvement over the previous live releases (although Living Ornaments is excellent also.) Ah yes, that reminds me: I had read in a discography that Living Ornaments was released on cd, but my friend at the record store has been unable to find any listings for it. Does anyone know about this? The reference I saw was in the booklet which accompanied the "The Best Of Gary Numan 1978-1983" 2-cd set (the catalog number was BEGA 155CD). Does this ring a bell? Naturally, I am also dying to get a copy of Berserker on CD. What is the status of this? Do any of the higher-up types know of this gross omission from the CD catalog? Well, that's it. I am still thrilled to have stumbled across the Numan mailing list, as I always thought I was the only Numan fan left. Dreaming of wires, David davidleck@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 01:58:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Rosencrantz Subject: Help!!!! To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I am looking for SOME recording, ANYWHERE, that has "We Have A Technical" on it. Can anybody help with this? Curiouser and curiouser... "Heads." Rosencrantz "I grow old, I grow old... I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled." - T. S. Eliot, The Lovesong of J. Alfred Prufrock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 13:51 GMT From: LEON Subject: Latest Fan Club News To: NUMAN Hi everyone. I've just received the latest fan club newsletter, so for those of you around the world unable to partake of this particular delight, here are the edited highlights (+ the Question and Answer session in full). In 'Gary's message', he informs us that the UK tour is now taking shape, and that Birmingham Town Hall, April 4th is now the latest confirmed date. The new album is well under way, with three songs finished to the demo stage. A big thanks to everyone who went to the signing at XL's (first I've heard about it). Apparently the vinyl version of Sacrifice should have had an inner sleeve, if you didn't get one complain to your record shop as they were sent one. Dark Light should be in the shops by now (yes, it is). And Pete 'n' Frank have organised a Numan Extravaganza on August 12th, Brittania Hotel, Manchester. Gary's going to try and make it. Beryl adds that Gary has done a couple of remixes of 'Are Friends Electric?' for the band 'Nancy Boys' (which was released in the UK on 12/6/95). There may be a Fan Club only release of this later in the year with Gary singing. The ballad album is still due for a '95 rlease, probably September. It will be made up of at least 3 new songs, 2 new versions of older songs and at least 2 remixes of old favourites. No title yet decided. However if Gary runs behind schedule on the new album (boy that would be a shock -:) the ballad album will be put back to next year and an instrumental album will be released in September made up mainly of the Unborn soundtrack. Well thats about it, I hop the info's proved useful. All the best, L. > > Gary's Questions. > > Q. After a show what do you do to relax? > > A. Stay up all night as a rule. > > > Q. What exactly is Salvation Records and how can I get a > > A. Slavation is a record label that we set up to handle Fan Club only record > releases. It may develop from that although, at the moment at least, we have no > plans to do so. So far only the Radial Pair video soundtrack has been released > on Salvation with the new Babylon CD series to follow so at the moment a > catalogue isn't necessary. > > > Q. What do you have against Machine and Soul ? > > A. I think it lacks heart. A lot of good playing, certainly well produced and I > would agree some good songs but, overall, I think it has a large slice of, how > can I put it, 'Numan-ness' missing. It was very difficult to make, a long and > often tortuous route to arrive at the finished album. I had nothing in my mind > that I wanted to write about. I had lost the ability to wonder which for a > creative person is like losing the ability to breathe. I think you only have to > play it alongside Sacrifice and you can almost feel the difference. Sacrifice > is far more emotional. It has elements of fear, love, innocence and menace in a > constantly changing concoction and I believe that it reflects parts of my life > better than any other album I've made since Telekon. Machine and Soul felt like > a blind man with a good dog, travelling well but seeing nothing. Sacrifice is > to me far more than a collection of songs, Machine and Soul is not. > > > Q. Is the narration at the beginning of Pray taken from a film such as 'Blade > Runner' or 'Red Heat', or is it an original piece written for the track ? > > A. It's original. It's actually a snippet from my book, which is still a long > way from being finished. > > > Q. The Dream Corrosion video sounds very crisp and sharp when played through my > Hi Fi, why does the CD sound so dim ? > > A. It may be a dodgy CD player or a faulty Dream Corrosion CD. Try another > player if you can, if it still sounds dim take it back to the shop and change > it. If it sounds ok get your player fixed. > > > Q. Was the track Shame that Gary wrote with Nick Beggs available on vinyl or CD > ? > > A. I believe it was an extra track on a B-side of something but I can't > remember what. An IRS song I think. I've recently been reminded about this > particular song by a number of fans and so I'm going to add it to Babylon 3 > which will now make that a six track CD. > > > Q. Will Gary record instrumental albums in the future ? > > A. Probably, maybe even this year as I have lots of short instrumental bits > laying around. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Leon Smith "Me I've retired to a back street = = Learning Resources Centre Picture 'Eyes in a Cold Steel Frame' = = University of Glamorgan. The freaks arrive - broken needles and = = lssmith@glam.ac.uk blood = = http://193.63.131.100/cybernoise/ 'What you on man to get those eyes?'" = ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jun 95 18:48:55 EDT From: Colin Edwards <100025.463@compuserve.com> Subject: Nash The Slash To: Numan Digest article Thanks to the couple of you that have responded re Nash The Slash. I was curious as to what he was up to, as both when he toured with Gary in 1980, and when he also played a small club in Brighton soon after, he was brilliant. Like Gary, Nash had quite an effect on me, so much so that I bought 2 of his albums and a couple of singles (one of which - Novel Romance - was dire!!!) Who are FM that is mentioned? I defy anyone to listen to Vincent's Crows and not say that it is brilliant!!!!!!!!! Colin. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:36:13 -0400 From: Scorbie@aol.com Subject: No question of faith now To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I'm listening to my brand spanking new copy of Dark Light and I thought I'd say..... There really is a god!, isn't there. I think the reason it's the best sounding live album of Mr. Numans since Ghost or dare I say Living Ornaments 79&80 is because he has Tim Summerhayes back engineering at the show itself (and the track selection of course!). He seems to have a knack at clairity. Everything is supurb except for the Kipper guitar version of Aliens. That was the only disapointment. I have no problem with the male backing vocals at all. They're better (IMO) than T.J. Davies ruining the 'I Cried' section on DC's Jo the Waiter. A final note: I know I came off a little _too_ cocky on my previous posting. Especially towards Mr. CAPS down under (your name has slipped my mind, again). I meant what I said as respectfully and lighthearted as possible so please don't lynch me! And I also mis-spelled literacy for all you nit-pickers. I kinda messed up my point!! :) So, no matter how rude I may come off at times (disclaimer) it really is all with a sense of humor (yeah whatever). Maybe next time Gary will do 'Thoughts No.2' but I have a feeling we won't get another live album for years. It was also very nice to hear Gary say after 'Stormtrooper" 'we did that one for Paul'. Make's one choke up a little. "Me, I'm so ashamed you're all connected to my number and the conversation's only polite" (well... sometimes!) Bye all, Aaron. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 95 16:06:14 From: jon.lester@index.com Subject: Numania To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I have copies of the Jack'o'nuts single that features `My Shadow In Vain' on the B-side. The A-side is supposedly two songs that actually sound like one, featuring Claire Horne and Chris Lopez (buddies from the Bar-B-Q Killers era) with J'O'N, and at one point Claire is heard playing guitar over a telephone. I need $6 for a single copy and $3 for each additional copy you may want, since the priority mail charge is about $3 regardless. Make checks and money orders payable to Jon Lester and send to the address below. Outside the US, please do your best to send US funds. Also, if you send me a blank cassette, I'll compile all the available Numan covers there are by Athens, Georgia bands, including Radio:Tahiti, Broom Room Annex and the Endless. Return postage would be great but I won't ask for any more. Also available: Tubeway Army "That's Too Bad"/"Oh! Didn't I Say" 7" single; BB '79 reissue of both TA singles in a gatefold cover. $20 each, shipping included. Other rare vinyl to be announced soon. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jon Lester, RTE, 1185 Robert Hardeman Rd., Winterville, Georgia 30683-9719 jonl@draco.exsol.com / jon.lester@index.com / rtejon@aol.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:20:12 +0100 From: Jon Lester Subject: Outland Revisited To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I haven't heard `Machine & Soul' yet, but I really don't think `Outland' is as bad as everyone makes it out to be here. I think `Soul Protection', `Dream Killer', `From Russia Infected' and `Whisper' are just fine. I think also that the title track and `Dark Sunday' just plain suck, but the other tracks are okay. No doubt Gary's original draft of the album probably sounded pretty good before IRS demanded more dance elements. I really don't think the album is much worse than `Strange Charm' in terms of inconsistency and disco horns, and `Heart' is at least better than `This Is Love'. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jon Lester / RTE, 1185 Robert Hardeman Rd., Winterville, GA 30683-9719 USA FAX (706) 742-5110 http://www.grady.uga.edu/ML/Fitzpatrick/RTE.html jonl@draco.exsol.com / jon.lester@index.com / tahiti@athensnet.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 05:50:48 -0400 From: Scorbie@aol.com Subject: Photograph-the whole story....and more! To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello fellow Numanoids, Photograph. Well, well. It is the pride of my collection..... Now, the reason why it was illegal. If you haven't seen the cover it has Gary posing in front of an old camera taking a 'photograph' of himself. There is also a red 'beam' coming out of the lens and onto the tip of his nose! Then, you open the gatefolf LP and find three head shots of Gary with the red beam going in and out of his ears through each photo. Then!, you look at the back of the LP and find a beautiful photo of Gary tilting his head back in a very sexy FK me pose (with the red feather in his hair) with the same beam of light penatrating his head! And that is why it is illegal. When Gary saw this cover he got pretty well miffed (sp?) because it suggested he had no mind (please take mine). Beggars Banquet (W-Germany) released it without permission from UKBB figuring everything was 'cool' and thought the red beam was 'futuristic' like Gary was. Well Gary shat and told them get rid of it 'or else!'. So there you have it! As for the track listing, here it is.... side 1: films 4:11 - are 'friends' electric? 5:48 - replicas 4:57 everyday i die 2:23 - down in the park 4:24 side 2: this wreckage 5:01 (missing first 5 notes of intro) cars 3:55 - metal 3:31 - remember i was vapour 5:08 complex 3:10 c 1981 aves records & tapes LP-INT 146.606 CAS-INT 446.606 West Germany It's current value ranges between $100-$200 as mentioned and both copies I've found cost $10!!!!!! It really is a beautiful cover and the photo session is the same used for the Teletour book and the photo at the back of the recent BB double CD 'The Pleasure Principle/ Warriors'. Cooooool! Onto other thangs! (oh god! WHO?) Andy McHaffie. You need a nice copy of Tubeway Army live at the Roxy '78? (it's 1977 actually) Send a blank tape (DAT or cassette) and you'll have it! E-mail me and we'll set it up. Scorbie@aol.com To Donald Pedder - I REALLY think YOU need to take a DEEP breath and CHILL! To be honest, I just scroll past what you say. The POINT IS all of those caps make it hard to READ! I don't really care what YOUR point IS! If you want to talk about NUMAN than just DO IT! The debate is DEAD. Listen, just type the way you want to and talk about Numan for Numans sake! I didn't subscribe to this list for lessons on proper computer literacey! So PLEASE talk NUMAN!!! It's REALLY HARD TO READ. That's all! On another note- I've noticed that when certain folks talk about certain Numan items i.e. albums, concerts, era's etc... they aren't quite sure of what or when they're talking about! Am I the only Numanoid who could bet his life on any Numan question?! Maybe I'm just sick!, but Numan is my hero and I couldn't imagine life without him (even if it means Machine & Prince). The Drum issue: The Led Zepplin reference was a good one but I must disagree. All you have to do is put a snare drum through Gate Reverb and you'll have a very similar effect. It does sound as though he has some sampled loops running throughout the album but, creating a program and then going back and sampling it again gives a nice, rhythmic effect (which sounds to be the case). It's not hard to do! Mr. Olah mentioned last week that the percussion samples sounded like old Digidesign samples which is most likely the case. And as a final thought, about the Berserker issue a few weeks back... Those of you who strongly opposed the reproduction of the disc from a DAT copy because of the supposed infringement should go through their respective collections and discard _all_ bootlegs, tapes, photocopies of articles and copies of videos they have. Same shit........... 'you'd think I sold perversion to the son of god (who?)' -Aaron James Scorbie Hannum- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:07:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Stevorama Subject: Possibe "Strange Charm" source? To: Gary list Numan Just thought I'd pass this on..saw it on Monday, so the point may be moot... In Usenet group rec.music.marketplace, someone with the address gymnif@aol.com lists CDs for sale, with the following Numan items: Machine + Soul CD single $10 Emotion CD single $10 Ghost 2CD $30 STRANGE CHARM CD $55 Don't know how steep that is by anyone's standards, but thought it was worth mentioning just in case someone was interested... Later!--- Steve lilly@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:33:11 -0800 From: dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: SET LISTS...etc To: numan@cs.uwp.edu On Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 14:09:19 -0400 (EDT) "Edward Carmack (AEN)" asked >As we all know on the last two tours Gary has fulfilled a lot of our >wishes by bringing back to life a lot of the back catalogue on stage. >I'm curious in that does anyone out there know of: >1) Songs done on the Dream Corrosion tour that didn't make it on >the Double-CD? The whole London concert was on the DC 2CD set - over 2 hours worth, and I think they performed evey song thay had done on the tour which made this concert longer than others because they did sub sets of this list at the other venues. >2) What was the old material done on the Sacrifice tour? (or does >anyone know of the track listing on D.L.?) See last week's Digest, if you haven't seen it already. Full details of the DL CDs are there. Another thing I didn't mention last week was that apart from performing nothing between the BB era and "Sacrifice" other than 'The Hunter' all the BB material is pre "Dance". There were no songs from "Dance, "I, Assassin", Warriors" in addition to "The Fury", "Strange Charm", "Metal Rhythm", "Outland" or "Machine and Soul" and come to think of it, nothing from "The Pleasure Principle" either. It was all from "The Plan", "Tubeway Army", "Replicas", "Telekon" and "Sacrifice" plus 'The Hunter' from "Berserker". I think next time I'd like to hear some "Dance","I, Assassin" and "Warriors" material, an era that really has not been well represented on live albums so far. >My .02 - I'm glad to see that someone mentioned that the sound quality >of Dark Light is better than Dream Corrosion. I was very disappointed >in the sound quality of that disc. DL sounds so much better than DC. I might ask Beryl why DC sounded so muddy compared to DL. Derek __________________________________________________________________________ Derek Langsford "Numanews" dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu The Gary Numan Digest SDSU Dept of Biology email numan-request@cs.uwp.edu San Diego, CA for information or to subscribe __________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 15:28:20 -0400 (EDT) From: bubble sorter Subject: t-shirts, alas To: numan@cs.uwp.edu well, i've had a whopping three people xpress interest in the digest t shirt phenomenon. so i guess it won't happen.. UNLESS... come on guys.. i'll make them as cheap as possible.. erin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 22:35:25 +1000 From: Donald Neil Pedder Subject: The Definitive Poll - Update 2 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu The Definitive Poll - Update 2 ------------------------------ previous references - #133, #135 Some MORE points (you'd think I could think of this all at once wouldn't you? them's the breaks). I mentioned last week that Uni-goers in the Nthn. Hemisphere would have all their summer holidays to "work" on their poll vote. this got me thinking. There MAY be some people who ONLY have access to the digest during semester. i.e. they MAY not have a dial-up account with the UNI (like I do).This could be a problem if you "break-up" before I "publish" the voting form and accompanying instructions. If ANYONE fits into this category I need to know 2 things - i. will you be on holidays within 2 weeks. if so I'll let you know the best way to go about "getting organized". ii. WHEN do you go back? I'll make sure that I don't close off voting before that time. I also thought I'd mention (since I'm here) some OTHER nifty ideas I've come up with (If I don't stop having these ideas, this program will take FOREVER to write). - Once the final results are tallied, I can "cross-check" EACH persons vote with them (via some statistical processes) and find the "Most Typical NUMAN Fan". i.e. the vote most-closely resembling the final outcome. I can ALSO find the "Least Typical NUMAN Fan". This isn't neccessarily BAD, it just means you're DIFFERENT (Hey! It MIGHT even be ME!). SO, if you think you're a "typical NUMAN Fan", you'll just have to vote and PROVE it! - ALSO, I will accept (as an OPTIONAL extra) a top 16 of the albums. It will be INTERESTING to see the DIFFERENCE between how people rate the albums AS A WHOLE ("emotional attachments" and all), as compared with how the albums "scrub up" when considered purely on a "songs therein" basis. In the meantime, here's a little GAME you can play. WHERE will "Cars" end up? It is almost universally cited here as the song that got people "into" GN, and at the same time almost everyone says they're tired of it. Only the poll results will tell. So until the NEXT installment of "I just thought of ANOTHER way to make my job harder",..... cheers, DONALD PEDDER. "I can see in your eyes, you're not so sure about me. This machine is my voice, Please Listen!". G. NUMAN - "Steel And You" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:29:57 -0800 From: dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: Trivia - something I just noticed this week To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Q. How would a non-Numanoid, who does not know any of Gary's Numa albums, even their names or catalogue numbers, be able to distinguish his live albums from his studio albums (and singles) by only looking at the spine of his CDs? A. All Gary's Numa studio albums read like this on the spine: GARY NUMAN "ALBUM NAME" CATALOGUE NO. All Gary's Numa live albums read: CATLOGUE NO. "ALBUM NAME" GARY NUMAN Aren't you just amazed! Is this not the most startling fact? Will the Digest ever be the same again? Big :-) Derek __________________________________________________________________________ Derek Langsford "Numanews" dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu The Gary Numan Digest SDSU Dept of Biology email numan-request@cs.uwp.edu San Diego, CA for information or to subscribe __________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 18:16:08 GMT From: marjan@kadath.xs4all.nl (Marjan Westbroek) Subject: unsubscribe To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hi Gary, Can you please ubsubscribe me from the mailinglist? Thanks, Marjan *********************************************************** Marjan Westbroek * email: marjan@kadath.xs4all.nl HomePage: http://www.xs4all.nl/~richard/index.html **************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 16:22:16 -0700 From: The Pinhead Subject: US Gary Numan Fan Club To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Shortly I will be starting the officially sanctioned US arm of the UK Gary Numan Fan Club. I would like to get an idea of how many on this mail list would like to join (US only) and how many of the following cd's they would be interested in ordering. I don't have prices settled yet, but hope to have a rough estimate in the next few weeks. Please send responses to ronald@netcom.com. THE BABYLON BACK CATALOG CD SERIES This series of CD releases, available exclusively to Fan Club members, is now due for release. Starting with Babylon 1 on June 19th, each subsequent CD will be released at approximately 2 - 3 week intervals from that date onwards. The series includes two previously unreleased tracks, Tribal and Metal Beat, plus a second version of Mistasax. This series also completes the transfer of all remaining vinyl releases onto the CD format as requested by the vast majority of Fan Club members. Babylon 1 Babylon 2 Babylon 3 --=====-- --=====-- --=====-- Berserker Your Fascination Miracles My Dying Machine Call Out The Dogs I Still Remember Empty Bed Empty Heart We Need It The Fear Here Am I Anthem Puppets She Cries This Ship Comes Apart Tribal Rumour Mistasax 1 Babylon 4 Babylon 5 Babylon 6 --=====-- --=====-- --=====-- This Is Love New Anger The Skin Game I Can't Stop America Emotion Survival I Don't Believe Dark Mountain Faces Children In A Glasshouse Time To Die Icehouse Hanoi Mistasax 2 Tread Careful River Babylon 7 --=====-- Machine And Soul A Question Of Faith The Hauntings Metal Beat Whisper Of Truth Play Like God Absolution -- Ronald Cole E-mail: zippy@ecst.csuchico.edu Senior Software Engineer ronald@optx.com OTCS Incorporated, a Brian Meyerpeter company ronald@netcom.com "The Bill Of Rights -- Void Where Prohibited By Law" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 01:28:27 From: jon.lester@index.com Subject: Vote to Keep Digest To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I vote also to preserve the digest format and to not begin an open USENET group. Just take one good look at alt.music.nin and you'll see exactly what I mean. In the digest format we keep it limited to just the people who care and we aren't bothered with extraneous bile from outsiders with more idle time than sense. I don't know how the rest of you receive the Digest, but I'm able to get the whole thing downloaded into my hard drive every week, since it's larger than the text buffer. I like this a whole lot more than the trouble it takes to keep up with USENET groups and the impracticality of sensibly organizing each posting for saving. -Jon ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************