Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 01:00:01 CST From: numan@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #205 Gary Numan Digest Thu, 29 Feb 96 Volume 1 : Issue 205 Today's Topics: bit'n'pieces DangerImp's T-shirts are lovely Deadline for Numan covers submission digest Gary Numan Digest V1 #204 (2 msgs) Gery & keyboards Industrial intro letter/concert directions needed Numan in "Ski School" Numan in the News Record Collector article Sacrifice Extended - suggestions Sampled ? The White Room Up-to-Date Numan Links Value X-Files Soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 18:18:57 GMT From: P Lindsay Subject: bit'n'pieces To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello again, I've been a bit of a lurker for most of my time on the digest, but I've spotted another numan-related TV appearance - a couple of days ago I saw an advert on Channel 4 for an eighties compilation album named 'Our Friend's Electric', and (I think), a very short piece of video from Cars or Are Friends Electric? While it's always cool to see Gary on TV, it seems to be a bit cheeky to use (and change) the AFE title. Does Gary know about this? I suppose any exposure is good though... On a totally different subject, I'd just like to ask other members of the digest what their opinions are regarding Numan concerts, or rather, the audiences at Numan concerts. I've been to about 10 or 12 gigs in the last 5 years, and most of the time the audience reaction puzzles me. When I go to concerts I want to enjoy the music, the spectacle, and have a bit of a dance! I'm standing there dancing away and I look around to see most of the rest of the audience standing pretty stationary, almost in awe of the man. A lot of people seem to be there to worship at the temple of Numan (which is fair enough, each to their own). I just think that they are wasting a great chance to have an amazing time rather than just a bloody good time. Gary's just a man after al (admittedly extremely talented, prolific, etc, etc), and perforers need feedback from the crowd. Gary has had 15 years to perfect his technique, but having been in a gigging band recently, I can say from experience that performers raise their game for a good crowd, and I feel that the best concerts result from great performance and enthusiastic audiences. The atmospherre at Numan concerts isn't like any other I've experienced. He knows we think the show is incredible, but I feel that the crowds never show him this - They applaud each song and then wait in silence for the next. I'm just suprised that the reaction isn't more deafening, considering the reputation numanoids have for devotion and vociferousness. I'd be interested to hear your opinions on this cheers Phil ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 16:41:06 -0600 (CST) From: Martin Wagner Subject: DangerImp's T-shirts are lovely To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Just got my T-shirt form Benjamin Holcomb, finally, and I must say it was worth the 12 bucks hands down. Cool shirt. All those who ordered one from Ben and didn't pay can expect a visit from a rape machine. (No no just kidding, now buy one, dammit, this guy worked hard for us.) Martin Wagner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:13:48 -0500 From: Subject: Deadline for Numan covers submission To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I want to try to put this together in April, so those who are interested please try to get me something by the end of March. Thanks for your help! Tony B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 16:06:02 +1000 From: dseaton@medeserv.com.au (Dale Seaton) Subject: digest To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hey guys, My name is Dale, and I too have only recently discovered the digest, after being connected up to the net at work. A great find it was too. Are there many other subscribers in Australia, I doubt it somehow. If you think you are hard done by in some other copuntries like the US, you should see down here. I didn't even know of "Sacrifice" until last week, although I did manage to buy a copy of Dark Light 2 months ago for $55. Excellent it was too. I am now really keen to get Scarifice, especially since everybody seems to think it is the best album for a while. I am also looking forward to hearing the Techno Army album. I have wanted to hear a few techno remixes of som of Numan's songs for a while, so it should be interesting. Other music I like:--- along with most other Numan fans, it seems, Kraftwerk, Kate Bush, but also Japan/Sylvian, Cocteaus, and a wide range of other stuff. I recently got the album Architect by Code sent over from the UK, which I think is really good. I also like Torch Song, Leftfield, basically a lot of ambient stuff as well as some moderate techno. I like PM Dawn too, (which might be a bit of a confession). I first heard Numan when I bought Pleasure Principle (on the strenghth of Cars). I was hooked and have bought everything numerous times over it seems. I have a number of bootleg recordings on cassette, including a really good one from 1980 (Teletour, I guess) as well as ones from the Warriors tour and the Fury tour. The latter 2 quality is not as good as the 1980 one though. i also have heaps of close up photos from the Berserker tour and photos from Warriors and Fury tours. Some of them are pretty neat too.I am happy to copy for anyone who wants to send a tape across. email me if you want. As to my favourite albums and tracks i really don't know. I loved Dance, thought "My Breathing" was fantastic, as well as Stormtrooper". I also thought New Anger was a great song. I don't know how many times I have played We are Glass!!! >From the dark light CD I have played Bleed over and over again. Anyway, this is getting a bit long, so I look forward to lots of other news in months to come. If anyone wants to email re availability of things Numanesque in Australia, please feel free. I look forward to the correspondence. Cheers Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 14:10:00 -0500 (EST) From: abfalter@intellivoice.com Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #204 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu RE: Buying from Numa vs. buying from distributors It is certainly better to buy from distributors. The reasoning is simple. Buying from Numa we get Gary a better short term profit (which is nice, but hey, he has enough money what he needs is a larger footprint in the music world). Buying from distributors will tend to make distributors purchase more Numan titles, and increases the odds of browsers buying Numan records. This will, in the long run, make Gary more money as well as increase Numan awareness. The BEST thing you can do it be dogged and relentless in requesting Numan songs (particularly off of Sacrafice) from your local alternative record station. Make a point to do it once a week. Have friends do it. Scott Allen Abfalter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:45:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Andy Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #204 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Sean... FGor playing Moral, (surely Gary's easiest song and a good one to start on), why dont you try playing the Cmaj at either the 3rd fret (barred A) or the 8th Fret (barred E) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:36:35 +0100 From: stefano@sea.hynet.it (Stefano Meneghetti) Subject: Gery & keyboards To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Ciao First question Probably years ago Gary were selling some of his keyboars, does he selling enythings now a day? secondly I have a Korg M1, does enyone out there play the same K-board? Stefano Computer graphics designer for internet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:41:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Andy Subject: Industrial To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I would heavily DISagree about Gary delibarately doing industrial music simply because its popular. If its not what he really wanted to do it would easily be seen as fake. Having said that, Sacrifice does have an industrial element to it. Personally I love industrial music such as Ministry, NIN, Cubanate, RevCo, 242, and Front Line Assembly, but it would look so much like a cash in if Gary turned this way. If he worked this way hed have gone grunge in 91, and industrial in 93, and would be considering BritPop by now ! He should do whatever he feels right in doing, and something that means a lot to him; not just blindly following the latest musical trends... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:21:04 -0600 From: campbell@davlin.net Subject: intro letter/concert directions needed To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello everyone, This is my intro letter and plea for help with directions. I have been listening to G.N. since 1980, seems like just yesterday but it has been over 15 years. I have collected almost anything I could get my hands on over this period of time. I currently live is Corpus Christi, Texas having just moved from Dallas. I have never been able to see G.N. live as the last time he came to Dallas, he played a club and I was still underage. I am currently planning my trip to the U.K. to see this tour. I will be seeing at least three shows, possibly five. I would appreciate anyone of the newsletter readers that could give me detailed directions on how to get to the following venues: 1. London Astoria 2. Cambridge Corn Exchange 3. Ipswich Regent 4. Liverpool Empire 5. Nottingham Rock City I will be using the underground while in London, and have hired a car to travel to the other shows. Imp, thanks again for the all the work you did on the shirts, they turned out great. Thanks for your help Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 09:55:40 -0600 From: Scott Lucado Subject: Numan in "Ski School" To: numan@cs.uwp.edu After the recent references to the 1990 Canadian release "Ski School," I happened to find this movie in the $1 bin of a local flea market. I bought it, of course. I must report that I endured about 90 minutes of some of the worst filmmaking in recent history in order to hear about 60 seconds of "Devious" (during a scene of some freestyle skiing). In fact, if anybody wants this movie in order to repeat my act of self-sacrifice, I will be happy to mail this movie to them. But trust me, even the combination of a Gary Numan song and a few gratuitous topless scenes (silicone sisters, I might add) do not compensate for an awful lot of hopeless twaddle. Perhaps another reason for Gary to rue his relationship with IRS. He didn't gain any fans from this flick. Scott scott_lucado@amrcorp.com ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 96 17:59:57 EST From: Sean Francis <100557.3713@compuserve.com> Subject: Numan in the News To: Digest Numan Folks, Just had to let you know that Gary was featured in a major article in the London Evening Standard today. The Standard is THE newspaper in greater London (and surrounding areas) and has a daily readership of zillions. Our hero was there talking about the "Cars" re-release, other bands he likes, a few comments about Bowie and finally a few words about his domestic situation (ie. girlfriends, babies, etc.) The forthcoming tour was also mentioned. All in all, the piece was very up beat, very positive and extremely good press by all accounts. This really is excellent exposure. It's really happening again isn't it ? Later, Sean. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ email : sean_francis@realworld.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 15:29:49 -0800 From: dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: Record Collector article To: numan@cs.uwp.edu On the FoxxVox mailing list David Lusman quoted the March issue of UK Record Collector Magazine: >From: David Lusman >To: foxxvox@xmission.com > >Further to the brief discussion of the 'New Romantic' revival ( calling >themselves 'Romantic Modernists' ) here a few >weeks ago, there is as an article in the latest issue of Record Collector >(March , issue 199). > >This basically confirms what I said at the time , that it is currently >very much confined to the London club scene, and there have only been >a handful of releases by new bands. > >The article also lists what it considers to be the 15 most influential >groups from the early '80s, and gives brief histories and collectable >material. ( I wont repeat the Ultravox/Visage biographies here as they are >at a very high level and will not tell you anything you dont know already). >The Vienna & Rage in Eden albums are described as "essential purchases for >Romo fans" , while The Visage debut LP "remains one of the the most >fascinating insights into the early 80s scene". > > >Japan >Adam Ant >Associates >ABC >Culture Club !?! (David's comment not mine) >Heaven 17 >Depeche Mode >Duran Duran >Gary Numan <<<<<------------------------ >Spandau Ballet >Ultravox >Soft Cell >Visage >Human League >Classix Nouveau >David I am glad to see Numan is recognized. Few seem to appreciate the influence Gary has had on synth music. Most people on alt.music.synthpop think that Pet Shop Boys and Erasure are God's gift to synth music. I don't agree one iota even though I have some CDs of each. As for synth influences I'd agree with the above list but omit Culture Club, Associates, Spandau Ballet and I don't know anything about Classix Nouveau. Anyway, if anyone can post the Numan bits of the article it'd be nice to see. Derek -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek H. Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu Dept. of Biology Tel. (619) 594 2885 San Diego State University Fax (619) 594 7831 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:59:24 -0800 From: dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: Sacrifice Extended - suggestions To: numan@cs.uwp.edu In #204 Ultravox5@aol.com (Alan) asks: >Hi..... >I am new here...and happy to be. I have been a devoted fan of Gary's for 17 >years now. WOW...time flies! Anyway, I am enjoying all the Numan stuff I am >finding on the Internet. > >A question I am sure someone can help me with. I understand that there is a >CD of Sacrifice-Extended...long versions of the songs and have never been >able to find it....does anyone know how I can?? >Thank you,Alan Sac Ext seems to be harder to find than the original album. My local Numan supplier has several copies of Sac but none of Sac Ext. First you need to make sure you are not missing it by mistake. It looks almost identical to Sac. The differences are that on the front it as "(extended)" in small letters under the album title and on the spine it says "SACRIFICE (EXT)". The catalogue number is NUMACDX1011 not NUMACD1011. If you can't find it in a store try a mail order place or try ordering from Numa directly - see NuWORLD for details (http://www.numan.co.uk). As far as I knwo we are still waiting for on-line credit ordering but you can snailmail credit card orders now. Derek -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek H. Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu Dept. of Biology Tel. (619) 594 2885 San Diego State University Fax (619) 594 7831 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 09:25:05 GMT From: iain@ncc.co.uk Subject: Sampled ? To: numan@cs.uwp.edu There is a single in the UK charts just now called `I want to be a hippy` by Technohead - to my ears it sounds as though it is a Numan song speeded up ( possibly AFE). I could be completely wrong, but it would be nice to know one way or the other. There was a song called `The Magic Friend` which definitely contained a Numan sample. Can anybody remember which song the sample was from and who wrote the song ? Thanks for your help. Iain. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:10:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Andy Subject: The White Room To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Gary Numan will be appearing on The White Room next Saturday night (24th February) This is as far as I know the first live Numan appearence on UK TV for a long time. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 96 23:26:15 From: pinkas@en.com Subject: Up-to-Date Numan Links To: numan@cs.uwp.edu A very good way to keep Numan links consistent and up-to-date is to use a single point of reference such as the Ultimate Band List (UBL) located at: http://american.recordings.com/WWWoM/ubl/ubl.shtml It's a free, living, breathing Internet music link database that allows you to have only 1 'Numan' pointer on a given Web page. Examples of link categories are: FAQ's, Digitized Songs, Lyrics, Mailing Lists, WWW Pages, and Other. UBL additions can be done by anyone, but I believe deletions must be submitted via email to 'wwwofm@american.recordings.com'. The UBL Numan URL pointer or 'card' will never change; it's at: http://american.recordings.com/WWWoM/cgi-bin/ubl?card+1409 For full blown Numan Web sites, it's a good idea to have as many Numan links listed in case UBL is ever down, but it'd be nice to use UBL as a consistent point of reference. I think it would also be helpful if Kay mentioned this as an item in the Numan FAQ. p.s. If my geekiness to consistent and valid data shows, it's 'cause I'm a recovering operating system guy. ;-) - Gerard Pinkas, Cleveland, Ohio, USA, Team OS/2, pinkas@en.com - Warped Home Page Tour: http://www.en.com/users/pinkas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:25:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher H. Blenkinsop " Subject: Value To: Numannews Just wondering if anyone can tell me anything about a box set I have. Rarity, value, anything else. It is a UK box set of 'Living Ornaments' in a glossy cardboard box. Two records, in stiff picture sleeves, a poster with dates for the 1980 'final' tour, and an order form for numan merchandise. This is the only copy of this I have seen. I paid $15 Cdn for it. Did I get ripped off? Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:55:31 -0500 From: MidgeUre@aol.com Subject: X-Files Soundtrack To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I culled this from the Warner music area of America Online. Note the previously rumored Foo Fighters rendition of "Down In The Park" as track number 4: "Songs In The Key of X (Music form and inspired by The X-Files)" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Seventeen artists encompassing the broad spectrum of the alternative music world have come together for a common cause. Seventeen artists, as varied in their style as they are pronounced in their craft, share a common inspiration. Seventeen artists have created "Songs In The Key of X (Music form and inspired by The X-Files)." Rumor and speculation are at last quieted as the final lineup to the soundscape of the phenomenon of the Nineties is announced. In addition to featuring new songs from superstars like Sheryl Crow and Foo Fighters "Songs In The Key of X" will house a number of rare collaborations: R.E.M. with William S. Burroughs, Elvis Costello and Brian Eno, Rob Zombie and Alice Cooper, and a song by PM Dawn with lyrics by Chris Carter, the creator of The X-Files. The final track listing is as follows: 1.Mark Snow - "The X-Files Theme" 2.Soul Coughing - "Unmarked Helicopters" 3.Sheryl Crow - "On The Outside" 4.Foo Fighters - "Down In The Park" 5.R.E.M. with William S. Burroughs - "Star Me Kitten" 6.Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds - "Red Right Hand" 7.Filter - "Thanks Bro" 8.Frank Black - "Man Of Steel" 9.Meat Puppets - "Unexplained" 10.Danzig - "Deep" 11.Screamin' Jay Hawkins - "Frenzy" 12.Elvis Costello and Brian Eno - "My Dark Life" 13.Rob Zombie and Alice Cooper - "The Hands Of Death (Burn, Baby, Burn)" 14.PM Dawn - "If You Never Say Goodbye" [lyrics by Chris Carter] 15.PM Dawn - "The X-Files Theme" (Remix) Warner Bros. Records will release "Songs In The Key of X" (Music from and inspired by The X-Files)" on Tuesday, March 26th. ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************