Gary Numan Digest Thu, 17 Oct 96 Volume 1 : Issue 271 Today's Topics: "THE DIGEST ASKS GARY - September 1996" 'Man In A White Car' beggars banquet Gary Numan Digest V1 #270 Matthew's Mother Question (about Moral) Random / NIN Rare stuff Reissue news from NuWORLD Special to D. Pedder... Transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 15:54:45 -0700 From: dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: "THE DIGEST ASKS GARY - September 1996" To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Gary is back on-line after a month without access. He said: ---- As Gary Glitter would say 'I'm back!" Nightmare from nightmare town. My Quadra died. I bought a brand new PowerMac. It died. I wait nearly a month for a replacement and IT WORKS. So far anyway. Please pass on my best wishes to everyone and, if you get a chance via the digest, please let them know that I wasn't being idle. I'm just a victim of the electronic age or some such bollocks. My dad's Mac has gone down twice in the last few weeks as well so I've spent almost as much time trying to fix his as I have on my own machines. Bye for now, Gary Numan. ---- He sent the Digest answers the next day. Details of how to go about asking Gary a question are given at the end of this section. If you forget the info you can find it at the World Wide Webb (http://www.netway.ab.ca/worldwidewebb/confession.html) where all of the previous "THE DIGEST ASKS GARY" sessions are archived. Here we go: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andy McHaffie, Reading, Berkshire, UK Hi Gary, Q1. Will the video of the Premier Tour be the same show as the CD ? If so, it might be more interesting for them to be different shows if you have recorded more than one... A1. It will be the same. We only recorded one night. Q2. Have you had any thought of the 1st single from Exile? There was one you played at V96 that had quite a fast almost talking vocal line on the verse and a heavier bridge which featured almost a Metallica-like rhythm which started by going down a semi-tone (sorry, I dont know the title) A2. That song was called 'Dead Heaven'. It would certainly be amongst my favourite choices for a single but we have yet to find out about a record deal and, if we get one, I'm sure the record company will have their own opinions. Q3. After your experience at V96, would you consider playing at any of the major summer festivals in 1997 ? (particularly Reading !!) A3. The V96 festival, although enjoyable, has still not converted me into a great festival fan. I will still tend to be very cautious about doing any more. Q4. Given that youve probably performed "Cars" hundreds and hundreds of times, do you ever run out of ideas and poses to do when the lyrics run out ? :) A4. It's a constant problem. It's one of the reasons that I hate doing the song on TV, I have so little to do. Q5. Have you recognised that good though the Sacrifice album is, the percussion seems to be quite repetitive ? I'm hoping you will use a more wide-ranging selection on Exile... A5. I've heard someone else say this, could have been you come to think of it. 'Sacrifice' used about 30 loops and only 5 were used in more than one song so although the style of the album may have had a similar ring to it the actual loops were in fact different for the most part.. Q6. What would you change in your past career if you could (the duet with Leo Sayer perhaps ??) :) A6. I liked working with Leo sayer, he's a nice man and gave me a good slot on a very popular TV program. That duet was simply something done for the fun of it and I don't see any reason to worry about the rare times I do things that are a bit tongue in cheek. It would take too long to list the things that I would change but amongst them would be leaving Beggars when I did, signing other bands to Numa the first time round, not cultivationg a better relationship with Radio One from the very beginning and becoming successful when I was too young and arrogant to realise what I had. Thanks Gary. Looking forward to Exile... :) ---- Troy L. Walters (tlwalter@accs.net), Frankfort, Indiana, USA Q7. Since you are upgrading (or expanding) your Outland Studio does this mean you will be replacing some of the equipment, and if so, will you make any of the old equipment available to your fans for purchase? I for one, would be interested in purchasing some of said equipment and pay for shipping expenses to the states as well. Just thought I'd ask. A7. I may get rid of some older stuff but not definitely. I have for many years made my old equipment available to fan club members at reduced prices but, perhaps surprisingly, have not always received that much interest in it. I could certainly try doing it via the internet but it would have to be on a 'take it as is' basis. ---- Andy McHaffie, Reading, Berkshire, UK I was round at a friend's house recently (a digest member who shall for the time being remain anonymous, as he is 24 and a big boy now!), and he showed us a video of him meeting you on Jim'll Fix It in 1982 when he was 10. It involved you singing Music For Chameleons as he sailed round and round in your little car / wheelchair / lawnmower kinda thing. Q8. Do you have any memories of this meeting at all ? A8. Only that he didn't smile but I know who you mean anyway. Thanks ---- From: Joseph DeAngelis , Boston, Massachussetts, U.S.A. Hi Gary First, thanks for replying to my last one, I sensed the question may have pissed you off a bit which is understandable considering you probably have answered questions asking for justification of your post Telekon work for 15 years now. Anyway I hope this question is better.... Q9. Gary, what would you say is the most significant evolution or change in your musical style since Telekon? For example, I think one major change is that you don't use those powerfull synth progressions you once did ... have you noticed this and if so, was it a conscious effort to get away from such things in your music? A9. I think 'Sacrifice' is as powerful as anything I've ever done, if not more so although I think you'll find that 'Exile' is even more 'doomsteady', along the lines of 'Down In The Park' which may be the sort of thing you're referring to. Q10. At the time, did you set any goals for yourself as far as improving a certain area of your musicianship and do you feel like you have obtained them? Are there any goals you are still striving for? Any new goals you hoped to achieve with Exile? A10. I've never strived to be a good musician. I've always been a bit scared of possibly losing my 'style' should I become involved in any pursuit of musical ability. I've often said that I arrange noises, that is my only talent really, and that's questionable. Thanks Gary ... BTW, I did not like the question you got last month which basically stated that you don't need that many Pounds to tour in the U.S, it was short-sighted and ignorant and I think you handled it quite well. I just want you to know you can always crash at my house free of charge (well, you may have to jamm a few tunes with me, but thats fun anyway...) if and when you come to play Boston. Until then, take care. ---- Hello, I am Mike Young from Lake Orion (Detroit), Michigan, USA Gary, Thank you for the continued output over the years. I truly have enjoyed it. I have a couple of questions I hope you will be kind enough to answer. Earlier on, you have stated that using a drummer is too costly and a hassle due to learning the parts, creative difference and achieving the right drum sound. Listening to the last few records, it seems you are using a sequencer and some form of drum data bank for your drum patches. You have indicated that this gives you unique control over the sound (which to you is important - agreed) and it allows you to control cost. I am in the process of recording a solo record myself. I am a drummer and have the same problem with achieving the proper sound, cadence, timing, etc. I have found that I too, can select patches for the drum sounds, assign them to an electronic kit, then play the kit to achieve a real drummer feel. This gives me great control over the sounds and also, once played into the sequencer, manipulation of the drum tracks is easy. Q11. Aside from the cost to hire a drummer to play into the sequencer and learn the basic tracks, do you think you would ever consider using this method? I ask, because recently, I have noticed many of your drum patterns and sound are sounding very similiar to each other. Perhaps I think this because there seems to be a general lack of drum fills, accentuations and such which tend to lend the drum tracks being very repetitive, song after song. I mean no disrespect, simply a drummer/writer asking a recording process question. A11. Using loops, either self created or 'bought in', is actually, in my opinion, a very different way of thinking about drums as an instrument and in the way that drums sit in a track. Very different to using real drummers and/or drum machines. My use of loops has been to try and create an extremely powerful but background/hypnotic feel, thus allowing the other instrumentation and particularly the vocal to be more upfront without having to be overly loud in the mix. I don't claim this to be the right way or the best, just something that I've tried for a while. When the new studio is built I athink that I'll probably use Richard Beasley to play along with the loops which is how I perform the current songs live and which seems to work very well. Q12. You have stated a tour here in the States is probably not going to happen without a major label deal. I have also read that you think without a deal, there is a 50/50 chance of coming to the States for a tour. What size label are looking to secure for Exile? Bigger than I.R.S? Could the label be smaller with contractual agreements for tour support? Just curious. A12. Tour support would be vital, but so to would a reasonable expectation that any record company that I became involved with could at least do a reasonable job of using such a tour to push an album effectively. A tour without a good promotional follow on would be a waste of time. Thank you for your patience, in consideration for the forthcoming Exile release, and in light that we all expect this album to be one of your finest, if perhaps the major label deal does not go through, would you or have you considered doing the following for promoting the new album: Understanding this may cost a few dollars, have you ever sent your independent releases to the major market alternative radio stations here in the States with a promo package and the selected single? True, you may have to send about 250 (2 radio stations -major market per state) packages, but it may hold great opportunity for new airplay. Q13. Have you ever done this before, would you consider doing it for Exile, could some of us American fans assist you in doing this in some way? What do you think? If perhaps you would like to discuss this marketing opportunity in more detail, one on one, feel free to contact me at: micromuzak@aol.com. A13. I haven't considered anything like it because I haven't a clue how things work anywhere in the world other than here in the UK and I only have a vague idea about that. I need to sign to a decent label because they do know all this stuff and therefore can point me in all the right directions. If no deal is forthcoming then I will have to start to look into all of these suggestions as I'm sure that many of them make good sense. Thanks again for all the music, it is fantastic. ---- Thomas Obarowski, Queens, New York, USA KasprHipCk@aol.com Hi Gary! First off I'd like to say the usual gratitutious thanks for making truly fine music for the both the body and soul. I'm a fairly new fan, as I was just a kid during your height of popularity in the early '80's, but I've finally discovered your music which is truly some of the most pioneering (an overused term except in this case) work I've ever listened to. You've been arecent influence on my music (I play/program keyboards), and I hope to make at least a fraction of the impact you've made in music. Q14. As a big fan of synth-pop, I was wondering what were your feelings of the synth-pop acts of the early '80's that followed in your footsteps? In particular I'd like to know how you feel about Vince Clarke (my other big influence) of Depeche Mode, Yazoo and of course Erasure fame. A14. I think he's a master of light weight, catchy synth pop tunes. A lot of talent in a particular area of music that he pretty much made his own. As a personal taste though, although liking much of his stuff, I tend to prefer heavier things such as the last Depeche Mode album. Q15. In a previous digest you mentioned it's within the realm of possiblility that you would do an all-guitar album. If this is so, is there also a possibility of doing an all-synthesizer album? A15. Possible I guess, but unlikely in the near future. Q16. Soon I will be moving away from home for the first time, and me and girlfriend are looking for things to spruce up our tiny, new apartment. What I would like to know is if any of your old memorabilia (costumes, gold discs, etc.) up for sale? If so, how can I purchase it, and if not, will you ever offer it for sale? I don't have much cash, but I'm certainly willing to struggle for awhile to put up the money for an authentic red and black boiler suit from the "Telekon" era. :) A17. I think I've donated more than I should to various worthy causes over the years and so now find that I have little left to satisfy my own memories let alone start selling it. Gold discs and stage costumes will one day be all I have left of this part of my life and I would like to hang onto them. They represent a quite amazing array of experiences that I should have been more aware of at the time. Sorry. Thanks for answering my questions, Tom ---- Brian Hammond from The Mile High City (that's Denver, Colorado for all you Philistines) asks: Q17. Gary, what kind of control do you have over your Numa catalogue? I'm refering to the recent rash of cheapo compilation CDs that are doing nothing for your career, are utterly redundant, and appear aimed at sucking money out of die-hard fans. When the Receiver Records compilations first came out, they were actually somewhat welcomed. This was before any of the Babylon CDs had been made, and even after that, for fans who could not order the Babylon CDs, the Receiver compilations (namely _The Other Side Of Gary Numan_ and _Here I Am_) provided a hodgepodge way for them to get their hands on some of the never-released-on-CD tracks from your Numa years. After that, however, Receiver came out with an overpriced and useless boxed set (i.e. _The Story So Far_) and now Rialto Records (whoever they are) have come out with a redundant compilation called _Archive_. Now I'm told yet another compilation is on it's way, called "The Best Of Gary Numan, 1984-1992" which, from the title, will more than likely be another hodgepodge of songs that have already been released ad nauseum. All of these compilations suffer from (a) cheapo packaging (b) misspellings of songs (c) poorly written and researched liner notes (d) songs listed as "live" that actually are not (e) songs listed as studio but are actually "live" (f) a few live tracks - probably from the Isolate Tour, with marginal sound quality at best. Obviously, one doesn't have to buy these CDs, that's not the point of my question/complaint. Given all of the flaws mentioned above, I fail to see how these CDs are of any benefit to you at all. I'd much prefer quality (i.e. the _Asylum_ series from Japan and most of the stuff from Numa) over quantity. Any comments? A17. (AND COMMENT:) The only comments I have is that we are currently heavily involved in legal disputes with said companies about what they are doing as it is, apart from being crap, in our opinion, illegal and not part of our agreement with them at all. So don't complain to me, complain to them, and best of all just don't buy the fucking stuff. Anyone that took note of my NuWORLD Internet site would have noticed our own warning about some of the releases that you mention some time ago so I think we've tried to do our part in warning you away from them. Q18. I know, after having tried and failed :-) to get specifics from you a couple of months ago about the status of your contract talks with other labels that you are not prepared to say too much. Instead, I was hoping you could sum up the current situation in some way that could at least shed a little light on thngs (i.e. things are going well, things are dormant, things are not so hot). If you can't say even that much, I'll understand. The reason why I'm curious is two fold. (1) I'd love to see you signed to a good contract on a major label with artisitic freedom. That is obviously the quickest route to stardom again and increases the chance that you will be able to tour the states again. (2) in this case, _Exile_ is sounding extremely good from what I've downloaded. It might surpass _Sacrifice_ which is a great album. Both of these albums, however, are dark and brooding and such music tends to strike a cord (and hence get people motivated to buy) during the fall and winter when the weather fits the tone of the music. I'm afraid that if the contract talks don't move along that it'll be spring by the time _Exile_ comes out and people will be into the happy-pop stuff instead. I know this sounds a little strange but all my US Numan fans that I've talked to agree with it and feel your music fits fall and winter better than spring and summer. A18. I've had no feedback whatsoever from any individual company concerning the latest Exile CD so far. We intend to give it until, roughly anyway, the middle of November before trying something else. Thanks, looking forward to _Exile_ despite the weather! Brian Hammond ---- >From Paul in Dublin, Ireland Q19. What was the thinking that led to you recording the Images series ? Also, will the series be continued and /or re-issued on CD ? A19. I just wanted to put my side of things. So much that is written about me is complete bollocks. I would like to get the entire series onto CD eventually. Images 11 has just been made available on NuWORLD. Q20. Was anyone other than yourself involved in the recording of Exile ? A20. Mike Smith did a bit and Rob Harris did a couple of guitar parts. Q21. You have mentioned in the past that you sometimes find it extremely hard work getting material together for an album. How easy or difficult was Exile ? A21. Exile was easy but I still had a few dry moments. Q22. Are you ever influenced artistically by what your fans think of your previous work ? A22. Slightly I suppose but it would be hard to pinpoint in exactly what way that influence manifests itself. It might even be to do something different to what they said they liked but I don't know that for sure and that certainly wouldn't be a conscious thing. Q23. Quite often in your songs the lyric will contain the title of a different song altogether (e.g. 'The Sleeproom' crops up in 'My Breathing'). Does this mean you take lyrical inspiration from your own songs or are you just playing word games for us to try to follow ? A23. Word games. ---- Troy L. Walters, Frankfort, Indiana, USA Hello Gary, I would like you to know that the "Human" CD has quickly become one of the most listened to CDs I own. I have also bought copies as gifts for friends and relatives who enjoy "new-age" music and this has sparked interest in your other music. Even my employer enjoys the "Human" CD when I play it at work -- and because of that he has become more interested in your other works. I know you co-wrote the main and closing themes as well as the cues for "The Unborn" with Michael R. Smith -- from which songs for "Outland" and subsequent albums materialized. It has also been mentioned in the digest about "Ski School" which the ASCAP also gives you "cues" credit. I recently found information giving you credit (with Michael _G._ Smith) for the cues to "In the Heat of Passion" which I assume is another film. Q24. Can you provide more information about "In the Heat of Passion" and the music you provided? (Such as the year, any of your songs which materialized as a result of the film score, etc.) Also, how did you get involved with the two Michael (R & G) Smiths? And lastly, is the music from "In the Heat of Passion" available? A24. I'm afraid not as I've never heard of it. I don't even know a Michael G Smith. Maybe someone could let me know. Thanks for your time. Hope you're making progress on the US label support. I'm plugging you everywhere I possibly can (thanks to the Internet, access is so much easier -- if they'll only read their e-mail!). Hopefully you'll hear from them... Oh yeah: Q25. Have you been able to check out the postings in the "Poetry and Power" section of "The World Wide Web" recently? And, if so, what are your impressions? A25. I've been off-line for nearly 6 weeks so I'm only now just beginning to catch up and look around again. I'll have a look as soon as I can. Wishing you and yours all the best... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Austin Baggett, Wanstead, London, UK Gary, these are my first questions to you via the Digest. Unfortunately, this has not stopped them turning out as long-winded as everybody elses! Intro: During the recent Premier publicity coverage, it was very noticable that many press articles and interviews STILL harboured on about how you are a "right-wing, gun-obsessed, money-grabbing Tory voter....etc etc....". Whilst the majority of record buyers do not ever get to read these snidey comments, radio producers and DJs do. And records do not get played on the radio because they're any good, but often because of the overall vibe of the artist. Q26. How do you feel about these constant snipes? A26. Sad, bored and full of violent intent. Q27. With hindsight, do you regret making so open some of your views. Whilst the press snipes are downright outrageous, there were some "seeds" to these lies (sorry!). For instance, you did mention firearms a fair bit around 1982 (although you weren't to know that anyone associated with firearms would rightly or wrongly be treated as a weirdo in the wake of Dunblane), and you did talk favourably about the Tory party. In the recent NME interview they mentioned that you were painfully aware of saying the wrong thing. With hindsight, do you regret making so open some of your views in previous interviews? A27. I regret living in a country where having an opinion about relatively simple things can virtually ruin a career. I have never so much as shot a rabbit or a bird, I have never shot at any living thing. I voted Tory at a time when the majority of British people did exactly the same thing. So call me wierd. I don't think that I should have to lie to appease simple minded dick weeds that can't see further than their own flat mates opinion for their view on a world which they have never seen. I have seen things that most people wouldn't believe to almost quote a famous film, more things than I could ever hope to forget know matter how much I would like to. I have opinions based on an experience of life, a fullness of life, that most people will never get to see, and in many ways they can think themselves lucky for that because much of the world is not what you read and twice as ugly as you can imagine. Judge my opinins only when you've had my life. Because it's my life that has shaped the way I think and feel. Q28. Your response in the fan club newsletter to the terrible 1991 Q interview really put the record straight that you were an OK bloke. It was also extremely eloquent. The problem was that the only people who read it (us fans) ALREADY knew that you were an OK bloke. Paula Yates recently employed a PR agent to fight her corner against all the nasty things written about her. Would you consider a similar step? (In Paula's case I'm sure you'll agree it serves her bloody well right!) A28. I think a PR person could make a great deal of difference without me having to change the way I think, feel or speak. Yes, I would definitely think about employing such a person although it's worth noting that Paula Yates PR lady just changed sides to Bob Geldoffs camp and has made things a hundred times worse for Paula Yates. Many thanks Gary for your time in responding to these Questions. ---- John Stubblefield, Sharon Hill, Pennsylvania, USA. Q29. If 'sacrifice' had been released a year ealier (before you reworked it) what would it have sounded like? Would it have had differnet tracks? A29. It would have sounded vaguely similar but half finished. I can't remember what songs were around a year before it was finished. I think Deadliner was one of the last things I wrote for it. Q30. How did you meet Caroline Munro and why did you sign her? Did Radio ban her version of "Pump It Up"? A30. She was introduced to me by someone that worked at Numa I think, can't really remember. I signed her because she had a high TV profile, was a very fanmous ex model and I thought we might have a chance of selling some records. I don't think Radio One banned her song they just didn't play it. Q31. Why have you never used video screens on stage? A31. I don't play in places big enough to need them. The biggest place I play here is Hammersmith Odeon which is a theatre. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek Langsford, San Diego, California, USA. Gary, I think the level of anticipation of "Exile" among fans is by far the highest in at least a decade. And the sound clips on NuWORLD promise fans a real treat. I have a few specific questions about the 'Exile' material. Q32. Do you have an extended version of "Exile" ready or was the regular album derived differently this time? A32. I don't have the ultimate finished album at all yet, stretched or otherwise. The CD going around at the moment is a deal baiter only, the album still need more work. Amongst other things I need to make the loops more varied or you'll think it a lot more samey even than 'Sacrifice'. Q33. If there is an extended version, I assume you will release it should "Exile" come out on NUMA, but do you forsee problems if you sign with a label? Would you still release them via the fan club? A33. If I make an extended mix album I would be surprised if the record company didn't want to make use of it but, if they don't, I would try to get it out one way or another. Q34. I remember you saying you had 15 songs when writing 'Exile' which will have 9 for it's regular release. What might you do with the other songs? A34. B-sides probably, extra tracks on multi CD single releases, that kind of thing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE END PLEASE NOTE! Send your questions via email to: Derek Langsford with a subject line of: Gary's Qs Include your real name, town/city, county/province/state and country. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I reserve the right to delete and edit questions for content or length. Thanks, as always to all who participated. Derek -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek H. Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu Dept. of Biology Tel. (619) 594 2885 San Diego State University Fax (619) 594 7831 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 04:01:58 -0700 From: real-one@ix.netcom.com (John Marques Carramao) Subject: 'Man In A White Car' To: numan@cs.uwp.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >From - 'Yesstories' - Yes In Their Own Words, Author: Tim Morse Published 1996 Jeff Downes: 1994 - Re: 'Man In A White Car' Quote: "The music was by me, the lyrics were all Trevor Horn. He wrote it originally about Gary Numan. He used to drive a white Stingray that he got as a present from his record company. And Trevor saw him driving along one day and he wrote the song about it. Gary Numan used to have this painted white face...."Move Like A Ghost On The Skyline". That was the image of Gary Numan driving this white car". (All of the instrument sounds came from Downes' Fairlight Keyboard). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- You know perception is everything, to me there isn't anything uncomplimentary about 'Man In A White Car'. However, some have suggested sinister undertones in this song referring to Gary Numan. If 'Yes' didn't like somebody they wouldn't even bother writting a song about them, not only that, the rest of the band had to approve of that song. I know it well. That song used to go around in my head, I used to sing it to myself. It's a beautiful melody. When 'Drama' first came out I even re-wrote the words to 'Man In A White Car' to something that was happening in my life at the time. As far as 'Yes' is concerned, some people don't have an appreciation for that kind of music, its very involved and requires intricate compositional skills. Maybe those that are critical of 'Yes' are the ones that don't have any understanding of the meanings of life and/or they lack spiritual depth and curiosity about new frontiers. Everyone seems to forget that music is a highly individual thing, to me it's listen and let listen. I know at some point in the latter part of the 1970's most bands were running out of ideas, but 'Yes' was not one of them. That whole 3 chord response punk movement was heavily influenced by 'Yes'. Bands like The Sex Pistols were a 3 chord progressive punk band, even they were a manufactured band and they were run by Malcolm McLaren who used to own a sex shop, thats how they got their name. Nearly every punk band that existed in the 1970's are dead and gone. 'Yes' meanwhile is still releasing new music, with a new album coming out next month. Out of all the progressive bands like Emerson Lake & Palmer, Jethro Tull, Genesis to name a few, the only bands out of that whole era that have survived and progressed are 'Yes' and 'King Crimson'. That whole punk movement was a response from those who were critical of bands like 'Yes' because they deemed it as pompous music. They were the ones who frowned on the art rock thing. Where are they now? They are dead and gone while 'Yes' continues onward. So to those critics of 'Yes' I say listen and let listen. 'Man In A White Car' is a beautiful song, with no malicious intent towards Gary Numan whatsoever, yet some can and do interpret this as being critical and uncomplimentary of Gary Numan. This is completely missing the intent and spirit of its authors. A person can only give to the world what they have inside of themselves, and if that happens to be discord and mistrust that is what they will give back to the world, that is how they will interpret the world, and indeed that is how they'll interpret a song. I know.... because a very wise old Turk told me. John Marques Carramao ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 21:58:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael R. Ward" Subject: beggars banquet To: numan digest saw telekon dance tubeway army i assassin cassettes (uk release) at local record store if anybody is interested i am looking for sealed copies of outland and skin mechanic in cd or cassette. have new anger cassettes sealed copies for trade ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:36:08 -0400 From: NIN1969@aol.com Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #270 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu It's the not so usual Joisey girl again and I just wanted to let everyone know what I told Matthew about Adam Ant and his "Goody Two Shoes" song...Adam was a porno star in Britain before he made it big in music here in the states. (by the way, if anyone in London is reading this and can get copies of his tapes, I would love a copy! I HATE porno, but I love Adam...need i say more??). Anyway, he used to drink heavily and do drugs, but he never smoked. When he cleaned up his act, no one could believe that he was the clean and sober "Ant" so he was mocking everyone with that song. "i don't drink or smoke, so what else is there??" He supposedly has a terrific sense of humor and I have adored him since 1979 when I saw him in France.....I grew up listening to Gary and Adam and today it seems that they are making a comeback with the younger generations. oh boy! RUTHI ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 09:33:00 BST From: Matthew Tamea Subject: Matthew's Mother To: "'Numannews'" Austion Baggett wrote: >Poor old Gaz. I bet nobody's ever slapped the man who signed Peter Andre! I would!! :))) Gene Essman wrote: >While listening to Dance last night, I was reading over the words to the >song Moral. Does anybody know who or what or anything about "Matthew's >mother" listed in the first line of the second verse? This was posted to the digest a while back: Q25. Speaking of "Moral", can you give any insight about "Matthew's mother"? A25. Matthew's mother was the woman also referred to as DEB in the song 'We Take Mystery'. Much of the 'Dance' and 'I Assassin' albums are about her and people like her. Apparently a woman who screwed Gary up big time..... Matthew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:22:19 -0400 From: tthoman@biostats.hmc.psu.edu (Terrence Thoman) Subject: Question (about Moral) To: numan@cs.uwp.edu In Gary Numan Digest V1 #270 gessman asked: >>While listening to Dance last night, I was reading over the words to the >>song Moral. Does anybody know who or what or anything about "Matthew's >>mother" listed in the first line of the second verse? I posted this question to Gary in Numan | +----------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 13 Oct 96 05:19:39 EDT From: Andy Westwood <100771.653@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Random / NIN To: Numan Digest Hi everyone, I'm de-lurking briefly... Has anyone heard any more about the Beggars 'RANDOM' cover versions album? It's all gone very quiet... I bought a couple of Nine Inch Nails CD's recently - after having seen Gary's espousual on Not Fade Away - and I have to say I was blown away. This is seriously good stuff, IMO. I can see a good many influences one way or another between Messrs Numan and Reznor (God, Death, etc.) Anyone notice a blatant line-lift from Head Like A Hole in Gary's 'Prophesy' - "...black as your soul..." ? Or is this arlistic license? :-) Oh, the NIN albums are Pretty Hate Machine and Further Down the Spiral. [Lurk mode on] _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ A N D Y W E S T W O O D 100771.653@compuserve.com _/ _/ "I can see in your eyes you're not quite sure about me" -G Numan _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 11:18:38 -0500 From: machman@interaccess.com (Jeff Tolva) Subject: Rare stuff To: numan@cs.uwp.edu To help answer the questions posed about the following, I've referenced an article which contains a "complete" UK discography 1978-83 (circa 1983) as well as my own insight and scrap notes from over the year. 1) Double LP - Ipswich 10/5/85. This is actually a 3-side double LP which quality-wise is NOT the greatest sounding bootleg from 1985 that I have. Nevertheless, it does have some good value as it IS difficult to find in vinyl form. The 3 sides represent about 3/4 of the Ipswich show that night. I have no knowledge of exactly how many copies were made of it. 2) 7" - 'White Light/White Heat' b/w 'Bunch Of Stiffs'. This was supposably limited to 1000 copies, but I'm told it's not too difficult to find a copy of this single in some second-hand shops in the UK. It's of decent sound quality. The a-side is from The Roxy in 1978 and has a very young Gary Webb on vocals and possibly guitar. The b-side is from The Vortex in 1978 and Gary claims to have never recorded anything with the band Meanstreet. It is debatable as to weather Gary is actually on this track at all. I bought my copy from a bloke named Martin many years ago for 6 pounds (including postage and packing). It was worth it IMO, but getting my copy signed by Gary hopefully made it a bit more valuable ;-) 3) LP - Live at Santa Monica 3/9/80. This is actually a radio transcription of the Santa Monica show in 1980. It contains about 1/2 the actual show that night, but it is of "soundboard" quality. Listed as being on the Bulldog record label, the discography article I have from around 1983 puts the value at a whoping 100 pounds in mint condition! Only the Warriors Tour transcription disc and the 7" white label alternative mix of "I Die: You Die" (only 6 copies exist) come in at a higher value according to this article. As with any Numan or Numan-related rarities, their worth to you exactly what you paid for them. To some, they might not be worth as much; and to others, they may be worth much more - it all depends on who you talk to. My .02 worth :-) Jeff Tolva (The Machman) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 16:00:28 -0700 From: dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Subject: Reissue news from NuWORLD To: numan@cs.uwp.edu STRANGE CHARM AND THE FURY ALBUMS. (News date: Oct 13) The 'Strange Charm' and 'The Fury' CD re-releases are scheduled to be released on November 25. This date may slip a week or two as they are also being released into the shops by our distributor, Pinnacle Records, and so we need to be slightly flexible to fit into their busy pre christmas schedule. We've decided to go with the extended mix version of 'The Fury' and the normal version of 'Strange Charm'. ---- Confirmation that the extended mixes are being used for 'The Fury' - YES! It'll be worth the price for the outro to "God Only Knows"! Derek -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek H. Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu Dept. of Biology Tel. (619) 594 2885 San Diego State University Fax (619) 594 7831 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 18:19:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Rob Trousdale Subject: Special to D. Pedder... To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I think you tried to call me on Saturday about 7:00 pm my time. Sorry I missed you! Please try again... My apologies to the digest, but I have lost Donald's e-mail... Now on to some NUMAN stuff... Machine and Soul: As my good friend Derek once told me... "A step in the right direction". That was my impression after hearing it for the first time. It seemed that although Gary was still trying to do the bubble-gum pop thing, he was bringing the music back towards his own style. The title track is full of power and energy, and though the lyrics are a bit too repetative "She likes..." they work for me here. Also, I find the video to this song to be really cool. Derek tells me they did it with one camera for about 400 pounds (!) Even so it is one of the best looking videos I have seen lately. Really brings out the energy of the song. "Generator" is a little too Hey! Heyyyyy! for me, but once it gets started, I really like it. In fact, I consider it to be one of the few songs in which the female vocals work with the music. "I wont let my dreams get away from me...." perhaps a prophetic statement considering the nightmares Gary shared with us on Sacrifice and (presumably) Exile. I just flat like the intro to "Skin Game" it is cool. Enough said. I don't like poison, and I don't much care for "Poison" either. However, one can really begin to see the echoes (what do you call an echo when it apears before the actual sound?) of Sacrifice on this track. Listen to the background... I didn't like "I wonder" until I heard "Wonder Eye". Now I like both of them very much. Another song that is enhanced by the female vocals (which are quite subdued on this track). What can I possibly say about "Cry" that has not already been said? How about that in the liner notes, it should appear before "Emotion" but doesn't? Really, "Emotion" is a waste of time IMO. Now look, I am a man of eclectic tastes, and I am just going to come right out of the closet on this one. I like Gary's version of U got the Look because I really like the original by &$*%# or whatever the heck he's symbolizing himself with these days... :-) I am not much of a ballad fan. Love Isolation is a ballad. There, that's all I have to say about it. So, now that I have put in my more than $.02 about M+S here is my $.02 on S+M : Don't do it. It's really hard to explain all those bruises and whip welts to your co-workers :-) Orbit Over and Out... [END OF LINE] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- orbit@ad1440.com (orbit@blarg.net) is: Robert Trousdale (206) 367-2254 formerly robt@u.washington.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mandatory .sig quotes: "47.8% of all Statistics are Useless" -Anonymous "I'll be the in to your sane." -Gary Numan "While the kids live in filth and play in dirt, You think that's normal - That's the thing that hurts..." -William Orbit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:12:17 PT From: "Mark Stanton, Industrial Design & Visualization" Subject: Transcript To: numan@cs.uwp.edu >3. 12" LP -"Transcript -Gary Numan" Live 1980 Santa Monica, Ca, USA > NEU Records, Inside label refers to him as Gary Webb, also has a nice >write up on the show by Sylvie Simmons. > >If you have any info on these, please let me know. >"She's like death on two legs, she is raw pink shame" -Gary Numan >Thanks -Micromuzak (Mike Young) ------------------------------ Saw it in a booth several years ago selling for 14UKpounds. I was already so annoyed with myself for spending so much $$$'s on Numan records that I didn't buy it, so if anyone has a copy for sale.... Does anyone know who NEU records is??? Mark. ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************