Gary Numan Digest Thu, 8 May 97 Volume 1 : Issue 328 Today's Topics: Beggars Banquet bikini EXILE NOW OR DELAYED Fan Club Info Gary Numan Digest V1 #327 (4 msgs) Hi There! Numan and the mainstream Numan Article Spooted Numan makes another cryptic appearance Numan on Letterman Numan re-releasing his past glories Originality Praise be! I've seen the light...thud! Random Random and other bits and bobs RELOAD Terre Thaemlitz - Ambient "Dance" WILL IT EVER BE HEARD (FINAL MIX)? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 10:16:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael R. Ward" Subject: To: numan digest just one small comment. i have to laugh at all the different opinions expressed about what mr. numan should do with his career. i think if he took all of our advise he would have one screwy album. armchair pyschology is just that "armchair". i for one am just happy when he create something i enjoy(which is not every lp but so what). till then i will keep buying his live cds and enjoying them in my "car" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 16:23:42 -0700 From: Neil Mitchell Subject: Beggars Banquet To: Gary Numan I just had a brainwave, so I waved back. Just found the beggars home page, lots of news about Random, but here's the thing. I just mailed them and asked why such a wonderful record label doesn't seem interested in signing Gary up! Hope they reply, if they do I will let you all know. P.S. Just a note of sympathy for the Americans now that the US tour is off, for now. I hope he does come over a grace your shores soon, we got it too good over here. Bye! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 21:16:57 -0800 From: alexander way Subject: bikini To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Gary Numan reviews the new Chemical Brothers' record "Dig Your Own Hole" in the new issue of "Bikini" magazine. He likes it. That's great! I also like The Chemical Brothers AND Gary Numan, or more like vis-versa. I wonder what he thinks of Stereolab. :A ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 14:49:29 -0000 From: Markus Dietrich Subject: EXILE NOW OR DELAYED To: "'numan@cs.uwp.edu'" Hello Numanoids, very frightened by Gary's decission(?) to put out Exile on the Numa label I am really hoping that this could be avoided. Because this means that for e.g. germany there will be not even one copy of Exile in any store (like all the previous albums since outland !!!) and I expect the same for every other country apart from the UK. Someone has complained that not even in the UK the distribution of the Numa material is acceptable ... Yes you might say that everyone can order the albums directly from Gary's WWW-sites, but that is not the point. For example, I can't tell a ger. music magazine (ZILLO) about the gothic touched Exile album of Gary Numan if it never apears in any store ... I have the fear that Gary was influenced by some output of fans who complaint the delay of Exile. I think these fans should think once more about that. What's about Exile if it will only be a defacto 'Fanclub' release ?!? I think Exile DESERVES BETTTER ... Maybe Gary's decission is finally so this is only a comment, but if not it might be interesting what the majority of fans think. I don't know how, but it would be necessary to establishing a list of the kind EXILE Released now Delay (for (on Numa) a better contract) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- x (here my vote) but I don't know how to handle ... Absolutely necessary is also that all votes will be without the comment of the purpose of it, because that will explode the digest! If the majority of the fans votes for delaying then maybe Gary will also rethink on it :-) If the majority of the fans votes for releasing now then I will sleep better because I can accept that I have a minority opinion :-) Hope we find a solution to handle such a list of votes and a lot of fans join in, in order to have a more accurate result. Bye, Markus Nuremberg/Germany ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:25:15 -0400 From: brezniakdavid@webtv.net (David Brezniak) Subject: Fan Club Info To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hey Gang! First off: when you order merchandise from the fan club, and you also join the fan club, do they ship things seperately or did Beryl possibly loose my order?!!! Second: Does anyone know the difference in time between U.S. time and UK time? I've gotten onto the IRC chat for Gary Numan (as explained further on the wonderful "Are Friends Electric" homepage...only to find that no one is ever there!! Help! Third: HI ANDY!:) Thanks for the time and as always, your comments are welcome-please feel free to email me at Thanks again! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 05:08:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Dooom1996@aol.com Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #327 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu In a message dated 97-05-04 02:17:33 EDT, you write: << David Bowie has some bad albums (Outside was really bad!) >> Wrong, Outside was brilliant, you worthless sack of shit. But you already know you are, so... Dooom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 05:09:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Dooom1996@aol.com Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #327 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu In a message dated 97-05-04 02:17:33 EDT, you write: << Until I bought SAC Extended, >> Do you mean sack, as in "sack of shit?" Dooom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 05:14:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Dooom1996@aol.com Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #327 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu In a message dated 97-05-04 02:17:33 EDT, you write: << The "right" isn't called "right" for nothing. "Remember, Love Needs No Disguise" Michael Tressler >> Labor won, you sac de merde! dOOOM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 05:19:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Dooom1996@aol.com Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #327 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu In a message dated 97-05-04 02:17:33 EDT, you write: << The last Numan album I purchased was "I, Asassin" so I'm wondering what CD (I don't have a turntable set up any more) is his best work since then? His first 3 albums are all quite good and a sound bit that I've heard on one of the Numan websites sounded excellent so I'm interested in revisiting Gary Numan. >> I vote for Warriors, Strange Charm, & Metal Rhythm. Buy and enjoy, SAC! Dooom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 97 13:01:45 GMT From: V.Boston@softech.ie Subject: Hi There! To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello, My name is Victor and I'm from Dublin, Ireland. I have never been part of a mailing list or newsgroup before so bear with me. I thought it would be great to exchange and receive numan news at my desk in work so here I am. I've been a Numan fan since I first saw the pale nervous looking figure on the TV in 1979 singing "Are 'Friends' Electric" and in recent years, flying to the UK for concerts have been an annual treat (He's never played Ireland and in a recent interview for local tv station, he said he didn't think he had many fans here). I'm an enthusiastic record collector but there are some gaps in my collection. I would welcome the opportunity to exchange news and views with anyone who's interested. Bye for now! Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 08:16:29 -0500 From: "Troy L. Walters" Subject: Numan and the mainstream To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I'm just wondering...

Why is it so important to ANYONE -- especially Gary -- that he have this great "come back" now?
He has been known for making the music he wants to make and not compromise the music for anyone else's opinion.  It's called art!  Formulated "music" is called pop -- as in popular.  There IS a way to make ANY song a pop song.  A formula of  hooks and a style of writing that ensures "air play" but at what cost.  Need I use Milli Vanilli or Vanilla Ice or any other poor excuse for an "artist" as examples?

Aside from being a Numan fan since '79, I've been a RUSH fan since the early 70s and they have yet to bow to anyone's "demands" or expectations of what they should do musically.  Name one RUSH album that has not gone Gold, at least.  Most have gone platinum -- with very, very little air play.  This is the standard that Gary Numan should be more interested in -- rather than becoming some pop icon, which will not last.  Integrity IS important to an "artist."

As for Gary's career being over because he did not get Exile signed to a major label -- what a joke.  He's gone this long with little or no help -- in fact, against some pretty insurmountable obstacles.  NO ONE can put an end to Gary's career except Gary!  ANYONE who believes differently is a fool.  If he chooses to listen to the advice to make "pop" music and he does -- and then disappears -- it is his decision.  If he continues to make HIS music HIS way, and he continues to have modest sales of his music -- so be it.  Since when is the majority ALWAYS right?  Top 40 is a joke!  Just because something becomes popular, it doesn't make it good.  Top 40 listeners are sheep who will follow whatever they are directed to follow.  I CHOOSE WHAT I LISTEN TO -- not some wannabe who can't make music, so they got a job in "the biz" and make or break those who can.
I'd rather Gary maintain some integrity.  He won't become a multi-billionaire that way -- at least not financially -- but it seems to me that Gary is beyond the "riches and fame" idea.

Every day and every tomorrow is a Nu day!

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Troy L. Walters
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-- Beware of the IDGAF Syndrome... (c)©
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 09:06:51 -0400 From: tthoman@biostats.hmc.psu.edu (Terrence Thoman) Subject: Numan Article Spooted To: numan@cs.uwp.edu In Digest #327 Hpcraft@aol.com wrote: >Can anyone explain why this hasn't been >pursued more intensely by either Numan or Beggar's Banquet. It's not like >his music doesn't fit a certain Gothic market. It would seem logical to me >to follow up "Random" with an actual album of his and see what kind of >mommentum they get. If there's anyone who either knows someone at Beggar's >Banquet or frequents their web-page, perhaps the question should be asked. I asked this question of Beggars some time ago. The response was that they were not opposed to rekindling the relationship, but that they wanted to see how 'Random' faired. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | tthoman@biostats.hmc.psu.edu | | Terrence Thoman | | | | Old men love war songs | | Love Vera Lynn | | Old men love war songs | | Now I'm Vera Lynn | | - Gary Numan | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 97 22:41:59 -0700 From: "Joey Lindstrom" Subject: Numan makes another cryptic appearance To: "numan@cs.uwp.edu" Got emailed by a guy who fronts a new-wave band called "Reload", which he says was heavily influenced by Devo and Gary Numan. On his site you can check out the lyrics to many of his band's songs, including these, from a song called "Atari 400": Let's Go! Atari 400 Colecovision with the roller controller Intellivision Oh no, it's Devo Sparks in Outer Space Computer World and Gary Numan BMX racing mail order Star Wars Goddamn paper route school in the morning == snip == Dunno about any of you, but it sure made ME rather nostalgic... :-) /--------------------------------------------------------- / From: The Desk Of Joey Lindstrom +1 (403) 620-4708 / EMAIL: joey@lindstrom.com numanoid@netway.ab.ca lindstrj@cadvision.com / WEB: http://www.netway.ab.ca/worldwidewebb/ / / "There's a reason 'Wheel Of Fortune' is on right after 'Jeopardy'. Once / you've been forced to choke down the foul-tasting tequila shot of your / own abject ignorance, it's nice to be able to bite into the refreshing / lime wedge of other people's incredible fucking stupidity." / - Dennis Miller ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 17:49:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Lightland@aol.com Subject: Numan on Letterman To: numan@cs.uwp.edu >From Christophe Silvey, West Hollywood, CA, USA just read about the numan reference on Mystery Science Theater. I witnessed an interesting exchange on the David Letterman show about a month ago. It went as follows: Letterman was doing some video joke bit using an international car show at Jacob Javits center in New York's West Side as background. Bandleader Paul Schaefer led into the bit with a typically wacky, sped-up performance of Cars. Letterman paused, and turning to Paul asked, "who was the guy that did that tune?" Schaefer replied, "Gary Numan". Letterman:"what ever happened to that guy?" Schaefer: "Nothing".(crowd roars with laughter and applause) Letterman: "Gary Numan. Wow." Schaefer: "His band was Tubeway Army." (mumbled)"One big hit." End of exchange. Schaefer reprises Cars at end of video joke bit. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 07:48:06 -0500 From: "Troy L. Walters" Subject: Numan re-releasing his past glories To: m.r.p.@ix.netcom.com, Gary Numan
m.r.p.@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Gary ALSO needs to stop re-releasing his past glories.
He fills the market with past hits and cannot give any
new ones.
Course this is my 2 cents.  But since I work in music every day, all day, 
its a better 2 cents than most.
As a fan, I am appreciative of your concerns.  But, as someone who works in music everyday, I would think you would know that Gary is not directly responsible for the majority of the re-releases of his material.  That credit goes to the likes of Rialto/Receiver and Beggars Banquet, as well as several overseas companies.

Personally, I would prefer Gary continue in his own way, rather than concoct something "playable" on demand.  That's not art -- it's shite, like all the other crap on the air now.  I'd rather not share the Gary Numan I've become accustom to with the likes of the Top 40 listeners -- those vacant, air-heads who listen to whatever is forced on them by people who have no clue as to what good music is.

There's my dollars worth.  Not that I'm trying to be an asshole -- that is merely natural for me.  It seems to me that Gary is not interested in "coming back" if he can not do it on his own terms.  What would be the point in that?

Tomorrow is always a Nu day!

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Troy L. Walters 
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-- Beware of the IDGAF Syndrome... (c)© ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 21:38:44 -0700 From: David Pipe Subject: Originality To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) >Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 15:14:57 -0400 (EDT) >From: Drapop7085@aol.com >Subject: Where is my music played? >To: numan@cs.uwp.edu > >All my favorite performers don't play the main stream "game". GN always is >thought provoking with his lyrics, he speaks his mind. And his music fits >those thoughts to a tee. As well as, Marc Almond, another outcast from the >press:he sings flat and is too theatrical: NO! He's original. Among many >others:Peter Murphy, The Divine Comedy, Stan Ridgway,etc.....Do they ever >get played on the radio or MTV? NO! I think this is a really good point, actually. I can think of several artists that fall into this category - the first that comes to mind is Gary Myrick. I've been a so-so fan of his for years ("so-so" relative to my obsession with Gary's music) and first heard his stuff when he played support for Gary's Teletour (here in San Francisco). At the time, he was billed as "Gary Myrick and the Figures" - now plays billed as "Gary Myrick & Havana 3 AM". I wonder if Gary would remember him? Anyway, he has a really original style and as a result never got much airtime. I still enjoy his stuff, and venture out to see him now and then (he plays here in S.F. every now and then). Speaking of concerts, I've just sent off my reservation deposit for "Numanoids on Tour". I hope Peter Gilbert doesn't think I'm nuts for coming all the way from California just to see Gary. Even though I've been to England several times, the concept of following the entire tour sounds like great fun and I'm really looking forward to it. Any other digesters planning on making the trip? Feel free to email me... David Pipe dwpipe@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 08:37:33 -0400 From: Matthew Roberts Subject: Praise be! I've seen the light...thud! To: "INTERNET:numan@cs.uwp.edu" Michael, Fortunately for you I don't think Gary will see your comments. Suggesting that his talents are a "gift from God" (and therefore presumably not inherited from his parents or something he developed himself) might be the biggest faux pas since a journalist suggested Cars was Gary's way of coming out of the closet. I don't know whether Gary's current political stance is simply a reflection of his long held beliefs or an attempt to redress the damage done by past indiscrete comments. I suspect, as always, that the truth lies somewhere in between. However I like to think that Gary shares the liberal beliefs of universal health care, equal opportunities, free thought and the social contract (but I certainly won't ASSUME this). Your politics seem to share the homely innocence of your theology. I'm amused that you think you were once a liberal. By definition liberalism can never be the sort of evil lumbering monster that you perceive. Conservatism on the other hand seems to lead to bigotry and social injustice (and an atrophying of the brain?). But apparently not enduring economic success, the one claim conservatives could rationally make. Sorry to raise the spectre of politics in a mailing list about music. To compensate: In the June issue of Q magazine, Mike Edwards says: "Jesus Jones [his group] did a version of Gary Numan's We Are So Fragile for his covers album. He said nice things about us and that was helpful during a dark time when everyone detested us." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 19:10:47 -0400 (EDT) From: BDay0000@aol.com Subject: Random To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hey!!! Anyone ever wonder why a label would release a bunch of covers of an artist but not a current CD by the artist himself? Do they really think that Gary's music is that bad, or, "not in the direction that they are going in?" Mighty frustrating. Brad Day Atlanta, GA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 11:48:50 -0500 From: austinbaggett@ex-or.co.uk (Austin) Subject: Random and other bits and bobs To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) Digesters, So the Random album is going to be a double CD. Great for us lot - double the playing time - Yipeee! But will the casual record buyer fork out the money just to hear their favourite band sing one song? Hopefully, Beggars are going to pitch the price the same as a single CD LP. Otherwise............. Matthew Holbrook's Nuzone is reporting that Republica might release their AFE cover as a single. Random definately needs a strong single to promote it. Without a single in the Top 10, after the initial week of release, Random will of been forgotten. Republica are probably the most talked-about band at the moment who are contributing. They would get TV (TFI Friday et al). Random NEEDS a single, but time is running out............... Also.... >Long time no post. If you lived my life you'd understand why. Now WHERE have I heard THAT expression before??? >No management can stop an artist saying something >ridiculously stupid in an interview! True. But it wasn't just one ridiculous comment in one interview. It went on for years. Infact, it became an attitude, which was adopted whenever talking to the press. >Gary, be whoever you want to be. Do what YOU want to do. Bending over >backwards to please not only your followers but the media and general >public will certainly do you in. This is complete nonsense. (What would your advice to GN be if he supported the Klu Klux Klan for gods sake????) >"Remember, Love Needs No Disguise" Ehh? Cheers.......Austin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 19:47:58 -0700 From: Gabe DeLang Subject: RELOAD To: numan@cs.uwp.edu greetigs, My name is Brian Applegate and I head the band RELOAD in Portland,Or.I am visiting your site for two reasons,1.because I am a Numan fan and 2.because I want to let Numan fans get a taste of what he did for me in terms of music.I have been known to have two staples attached to my music and they are always DEVO and Gary Numan.Please visit the Reload web site if interested at http://www.teleport.com/~delang/reload1.htm hope to hear from you, I will be listening to the sirens Brian Applegate/RELOAD ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 14:42:13 -0700 From: Randall Wolf Subject: Terre Thaemlitz - Ambient "Dance" To: Gary Numan > On a lighter note I was scanning through a list of ambient music > artists at hypereal.com and found Gary's name there. I looked it up > and there was a letter by another artist (called Terre Thaemlitz) > pointing out how parts of Dance (particularly Cry, The Clock Said) and > the occasional track on I, Assassin were fine examples of ambient > music!! > > Bruce This reference should be taken seriously as terre is part of a core group of artists who are re-defining ambient music and techno, they are the next wave that will be discovered after the public tires of the current round of techno darlings. it's too bad gary does not collaborate that much anymore (and when he does it usually sucks) because a remix by any of these artists would be incredible as most all of their output is. if you see terre's work in stores check it out, if you like ambient you HAVE to also check out Human Mesh Dance, the CD is Mindflower and is available online if you cannot find it in stores. also HMD's and terre's work is on the "Chill out - phase2" double CD on instinct records, some great ambient with a techno edge. for more ambient pickup "synthetic pleasures vol. 1" on the moonshine records label from the underground movie of the same name at: http://www.syntheticpleasures.com Artists: terre thaemlitz's comatose recordings: http://www.caipirinha.com/comatonse/directory.html taylor deupree of HMD, Protoype909(hardcore techno), and SETI : http://www.walrus.com/~taylor/index.html he list's online sources for his CD's, he was also the head of graphics for instinct records and his webpage is well designed. Send these guy's threatening letters telling them why they need to do an ambient remix of "Dance" keep listening to GN but keep your head out of the sand. Randall Wolf rswolf@earthlink.net rwolf@raleigh.ibm.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 22:21:00 -0400 From: "Dobson, Larry" Subject: WILL IT EVER BE HEARD (FINAL MIX)? To: gary numan digest Firstly Digest readers, let me apologize for the second installment of Will It Ever Be Heard?! When the list of countries and my projections for record sales came out, the wonders of Space Bar and Delete took over and it was somewhat of a mess, although it did not look that way when I sent it. I still feel very confident that Gary Numan can have a profitable and satisfying career in music without the "big" record contract. According to the Sound on Sound interview with Gary last year, New Anger (the North American version of Metal Rhythm) sold 100,000 copies in North America. Most of the figures I used barely represented Gold album status in those territories. With concentrated and exclusive promotion deals, I firmly believe success is possible. Some Digest contributors have fallen into the trap of assuming Gary's music just cannot have commercial success, because it does not fit the mainstream. Yet this flies in the face of Gary's original success, which was precisely due to him not being mainstream. It also ignores the commercial success of many artists that have not fit the norm. Performers like Enya and Yanni certainly do not fit the pop/rock mold. Peter Gabriel has been one of music's most innovative artists and yet has acheived worldwide success, and who would have thought Gregorian chants backed up by drum machines would sell in the millions? Noisy, unfathomable grunge, unmelodical rap with lyrics that are not even sung, New Age with its benign atmospheric soundscapes have all found success, against the grain. Should Gary give up the search for the big contract? Should he change management, as some have suggested? Is his hair preventing him from achieving bigger things? As far as his hair goes, he's probably just happy he has some. Believe me, we've all see far worse on more popular performers. Those who have advocated Gary change his management must remember that Gary's manager is his father. After years of singing about the pain of betrayal and the importance of loyalty, if you think Gary is about to give his dad his walking papers, well, you have obvioulsy not been paying attention. For the big contract, Gary seems to suffer the problems that those who have owned their own business suffer if they close up shop and search for employment elsewhere. Everyone thinks they will be no-it-alls and simply take good ideas to go off on their own with, again. Record companies seem to think that after years of owning his own record company, Gary Numan would be a prima donna, hell bent on telling them how to run their business. Yesterday, while checking out the Beggars Banquet web site, I saw a remark about the Random project. The line was "We've have a ton of enquiries" about this release. Then it occurred to me, maybe there is something that we as fans can do to help Gary's career. As with television shows, that are near cancellation, the fans often start massive letter writing campaigns, similar to the original Star Trek series effort, to keep the show on the air. What if we as Gary Numan fans flooded Beggars Banquet's offices with letters and E-mails asking them to sign Gary back to their label? For fans everywhere, this would make Gary's music so much more accessible and that is a good argument to take to BB. It would certainly be in our interest, and if BB gets a large enough campaign from the fans, we can demonstrate the financial benefit to them. So how about it, Numanoids? I'd like to hear your thoughts about a "Beggars Banquet Bring Back Gary Numan" campaign. Keep the faith, Larry DOBSON. ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************