Gary Numan Digest Thu, 15 May 97 Volume 1 : Issue 330 Today's Topics: A Thanks for a change... FAN CLUB Flame protection. fuel & the fire Gary Numan Digest V1 #329 (2 msgs) nsullivan: John Foxx "tried" what?! Piece of My Mind Sierra Charlie Article ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 02:02:36 -0400 From: brezniakdavid@webtv.net (David Brezniak) Subject: A Thanks for a change... To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I would cordially like to thank Derek for a) providing us with the digest and all it's features, and b) for clearing up the fan club info for me. I would also like to say "Congrats" on the awaited arrival of your new child. May it be healthy and strong. I would also like to thank Joey Lindstrom, not only for his great site, but every time I've ever had a question, no matter how big or small, he's always jumped right in and he's usually been right (grin!!) I just would like to thank both of you very much, you never do get appreciated enough, but I'm sure I speak for many when I say "Atta Boy!" and give you a pat on the back. Thanks and keep up the great work! Dave Brezniak ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 07:58:29 -0500 From: ___ Subject: FAN CLUB To: GARY NUMAN DIGEST Question, How long does it normally take to get the fan club items after mailing it from the United States? I mailed the fan club application and check on March 21st. I believe it is long past due, anyway to check on it? Brad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 06:26:39 +0100 From: "nick" Subject: Flame protection. To: "Gary Numan" First may I congratulate Derek and his wife on their very good news. :-) Ref: Vol 1; Issue 327 NF=Nick Fox TS=Tania Shropshire NF>I just say as a non Numanoid Gary looks and sounds less convincing NF>these days. NF>Ok David you can get off your soapbox now I understand your point and NF>you make it very well but you are a Numanoid so dont expect me to agree. :) <<<<<<<<<<< TS> If the above statements by Nick Fox are true, then I am absolutely TS >baffled as to why someone, who is clearly anti-numan/anti-numanoid, TS> would want to TS> input/receive a digest, that in the majority is about Gary Numan for TS> Numanoids. TS> I wonder if there could be a justifiable answer to this or if there will be TS> more grabbing at straws. Help! I'm confused! Ok Tanya, Let me clarify my position and hopefully end your confusion. :) I became interested in Gary back in 79 and have attended most of his tours and have collected most of his albums.This doesn't give me any automatic right but I hope this qualifies me for an opinion. Am I anti Numan ? Well just because I dont happen to agree with everything Gary does of late doesn't mean I dont like SOME of his MUSIC. If as you suggest this makes me Anti-Numan then so be it. Anti Numanoid ? Its true I have no patience for some Numanoids who by jumping to Garys defense rather than address the real issues leave me with the distinct impression that quality music is not their primary concern. Why input and receive ? I grew up listening to Gary Numan/Ultravox/Human league/Depeche mode and many more such artists and spent a great deal of time and effort following their respective careers. The digest keeps me in touch with the latest info on Garys career and gives me a chance to voice my opinion. Numanoid Digest ? I didn't realise this digest was exclusively for Numanoids, I must have misread the link from Garys site which I seem to remember said it was for ALL Numan fans wishing to talk about Gary, his MUSIC and ANYTHING and EVERYTHING else that is remotely connected to him. TS>I wonder if there could be a justifiable answer to this ? Are you asking me Tania ? or rallying the Numanoid troops Am I clutching at straws ? Maybe Iam but Gary has been doing that for years hasn't he ? Thats my story Tania like it or love it. :) Nick Fox ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:58:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael R. Ward" Subject: fuel & the fire To: numan digest not to add fuel to anybodies fire (i.e. nicky fox and mike m.r.p.) but my only intent with my comment of two weeks ago is to express that music that is created for "pop" intention with outside intervention will always come out contrived. it will sometimes make the top ten but will carry not long term weight or even help to maintain a fan base. i just think that gary needs to make albums he is happy with as they are only ones that will sound authentic. i like the dynamics (and often sonic imperfections) of his live releases and continue to enjoy those tracks (from albums i dont always like) recreated in the a live setting with a more cohesive format. since i am leaning on my armchair pretty hard now :) i will add that i do believe leaving the career management to a professional company (while expensive) might be an asset to him. but i like his music and unless he starts writing music that i dont find redeeming i will buy his works michael ward ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 05:52:51 -0400 From: Matthew Roberts Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #329 To: Gary Numan I can't understand why Gary gets criticized for re-releasing old tracks. As far as I can figure, apart from live recordings, he has only been directly responsible for "Numa Records Year One", "Isolate" and "The Other Side Of Gary Numan". I can't think of anything else that Gary could have easily stopped from being released. Everything that Beggars Banquet have put out, from the "That's Too Bad/Bombers" double pack, through "New Man Numan" right up to "Premier Hits" would have been released whether Gary liked it or not (I think). Techno Army would have happened whatever Gary said. Since that was the case, why not let them include some Numa stuff on it? Of all the Receiver/Rialto repackaging the only authorized release was "The Other Side Of.." as mentioned above. I don't think 3 releases in 19 years could be called dwelling on past glories, especially as none of those 3 releases contain any well known songs. The only reasonable complaint against Gary could be that he is prepared to lend his help to some of the more dubious projects. For example for each of the 3 times Cars has been re-released, he has appeared on TV to promote it. On each of these occasions Gary has been faced with a dilema. With the benefit of hindsight, he might not have been involved with Techno Army or with the Native Soul remix of Cars but at the time he did what he thought was best. If anyone can't understand the reasons behind those decisions then there's no point in repeating them here. Despite what some fans might want, Gary wants to sell lots of records. I don't agree with people who think Gary loses money when he releases stuff on Numa or when he tours - they seem to be thinking of 1979-1981and completely different circumstances. Rather, he doesn't make ENOUGH money - welcome to the real world. Gary doesn't want to be a cabaret singer, doing Cars at Caesars Palace every night, he wants to sell as many copies of "Exile" as U2's "Pop" or Depeche Mode's "Ultra". Unfortunately this isn't going to happen because of Gary's hard work or wishful thinking, it needs a large dose of public awareness. If someone can suggest how this can be achieved without singing Cars on TV then they are welcome to criticize past endeavours. Incidentally, I was intrigued by Mike's comments about Bowie. So Outside was no Ziggy Stardust.. hmm? I assume Bowie will never be able to release another Ziggy Stardust. Seems to be a parallel here with Gary and The Pleasure Principle. I think Outside was a brilliant album, just like Sacrifice, Ziggy Stardust and The Pleasure Principle... beyond this vague assessment comparisons are pretty pointless. Let's hope Bowie and Gary continue to make the music they want to make now and in the future. (sorry Mike, I know that wasn't your point !) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:38:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Patrick Perras Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #329 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) PLEASE DISCONTINUE THIS E-MIAL AS I AM MOVING AT THE END OF MAY WITH NO FURTHER CONNECTION >Hope that helps, > >Derek > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- >Derek Langsford Ph.D. >Environmental Management Specialist >County of San Diego, Dept. of Planning and Land Use >5201 Ruffin Road, Ste. B >San Diego, CA 92123 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 22:57:54 -0700 >From: "D.G" >Subject: Gary's fading career ? >To: numan@cs.uwp.edu > >Hello digest members , > I have been following some of the discussions regarding Gary's career >, and the seeming urgency to to sign with a major label . While I agree >that there are many positive results possible with being signed to a >major label , I disagree that it could mean "career failure" or "last >chance for a rebound" if he dosn't . I would like to point out how >benificial the very medium we digest members are using to comunicate >with each other , has been for both Gary and many of his fans . The >internet explosion has allowed an unprecidented amount of information to >flow between Gary and his online fans , this was not possible a few >years ago . Gary's fans no longer have to wait for almost non existent >press coverage , to let us know about album releases , tours , etc . >Even fan club members haven't enjoyed this kind of instant access to >information . I think the ripple effect from this is just getting >started . > >Fred Geer >(sender of this post) > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 14:00:24 +0100 >From: NICHOLAS SULLIVAN >Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #328 >To: "'numan@cs.uwp.edu'" > > It does seem rather a shame that people that are claiming >themselves to be fans always have to argue almost like politicians about >there star. Since Garys demise in the uk after warriors it has been a >long haul for fans seeing someone with great talent rise and fall. Its >interesting to note in the song we have a technical gary sings " its >just so surprising so how quickly things can end like a hero on a >platform of friends ". At the time that Gary was famous he really filled >the gap in a country that was crying out for something different to punk >and Gary robot alternative image fitted the bill well as much as many >artists are able to do today. He invented a new trend and took it to the >brink. Many others tried to take on this style like John foxx but im >sure people would agree that Numan always had the defintive edge on the >very late seventies and early eighties music. Out was undoubtly to >happen that as our heroe on his platform lost his friends as he changed >from telekon to Dance was to lose popularity. But despite albums like >Warriors and Berserker not fairing well it is important to note that >there are strong ideas in there and good music. > The problem is that Gary deserted what he does best. Charlie >Chaplin never gave up his cane and tramp image. Im not suggesting that >Gary should reverberate his old career but focus on what he does best >which still creeps through in all his albums. By not putting Gary down >it gives him the back bone of support to create the inspired music that >he creates a world apart from other artists. The fact that he is no >longer mainstream mainly adds for the the specialness of liking his >music. Thats all thanks. > > nsullivan r1n00996@kiadroch.kaid.ac.uk > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 00:04:11 -0400 (EDT) >From: Shropie@aol.com >Subject: Grabbing at straws? >To: numan@cs.uwp.edu > >Ref: Vol 1; Issue 327 > >>>I just say as a non Numanoid Gary looks and sounds less convincing >>>these days. > >>>Ok David you can get off your soapbox now I understand your point and you >>>make it very well >>>but you are a Numanoid so dont expect me to agree. > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-------------------- >If the above statements by Nick Fox are true, then I am absolutely baffled as >to why >someone, who is clearly anti-numan/anti-numanoid, would want to input/receive >a >digest, that in the majority is about Gary Numan for Numanoids. >I wonder if there could be a justifiable answer to this or if there will be >more grabbing >at straws. Help! I`m confused! > >Tania Shropshire. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:22:04 -0500 (CDT) >From: m.r.p.@ix.netcom.com >Subject: Just poking the hornet nest some more...... >To: numan@cs.uwp.edu > >>just one small comment. i have to laugh at all the different opinions >>expressed about what mr. numan should do with his career. i think if he >>took all of our advise he would have one screwy album. armchair pyschology >>is just that "armchair". > >Though this is true, the fact still is that we are the 'Fans' and we are the >ones who spend our money to buy his items. Its like a sports hero, no >matter how good he/she is, they still need to impress us in order to open >our pockets and spend out cash. This does not say that he/she cannot do >things the way they want to in some extent, but we must be kept in mind at >all times as we are the end user. Gary has as much as said that he has >screwed up in the past with his opinions and would change some of the past >if he could. I myself think that he needs to focus on NOW not THEN. There >is a entire generation of X'ers out there that have the money and are >searching for something new, much like we were back in the 70's and 80's. >One or two good 'playable' songs and the fan base will expand to the point >where he can once again do more of what he wants. > >>i for one am just happy when he create something i enjoy(which is not every >>lp but so what). till then i will keep buying his live cds and enjoying >>them in my "car" > >Me too. But you miss the point. What happens when he decides that the cost >is no longer worth the diminishing returns and stops making new music. Then >all we have is our memories and old CD's. That to me is the scary future we >are looking at and by looking at Gary's comments at times may not be all >that far fetched. > >>From: Dooom1996@aol.com > >><< David Bowie has some bad albums (Outside was really bad!) >> > >>Wrong, Outside was brilliant, you worthless sack of shit. But you already >>know you are, so... > >Hmmm, AOL ISP and typical 14 year old response. Mom letting you use the >computer? > >Actually your comments are fine, just be a little less graphic and put a >little more prose in them. Writing is a fine art, something that takes time >and makes people think when they read it. > >As to Outside, it was a bad album and he even said as much. It was a good >(not great) album as far as concept albums go, but had no airplay and no >sales here in the US. This is what David and I consider bad (If you had >read the ENTIRE thing I had been saying), its not if its good or bad in our >minds, its what the public responds to. Outside was no Ziggy Stardust plain >and simple, and in this world you are compaired to your past success. > >>Why is it so important to ANYONE -- especially Gary -- that he have this >>great "come back" now? BR>He has been known for making the music he wants >>to make and not compromise the music for anyone else's opinion. > >As Gary has said, its a business. Everytime he makes an album he loses >money. 80's music is back as IN for a limited time and he needs to rebuild >his fan base for cash flow (see above). Plus I think Gary likes playing in >front of 10,000+ fans over 2,000 fans every night a little more. If he >hated the limelight he would have never gotten into the business! > > >>"music" is called pop -- as in popular. There IS a way to make ANY >>song a pop song. A formula of; hooks and a style of writing >>that ensures "air play" but at what cost. Need I use Milli Vanilli >>or Vanilla Ice or any other poor excuse for an "artist" as examples? > >Or Gary Numan and Cars? > >See, the ONLY difference between Gary and other one hit wonders is that WE >know he is still out there and still making music. The Media and outside >fan base does not. If not for the internet I myself would have no idea he >was still around, and my last album from him would still be Outland. (Now >thats a scary thought!). > >>Aside from being a Numan fan since '79, I've been a RUSH fan since the >>early 70s and they have yet to bow to anyone's "demands" or expectations >>of what they should do musically. Name one RUSH album that has not >>gone Gold, at least. Most have gone platinum -- with very, very little >>air play. This is the standard that Gary Numan should be more interested >>in -- rather than becoming some pop icon, which will not last. Integrity >>IS important to an "artist." > >Actualy you kinda correct yourself. See Rush does get airplay. I always >hear 1 or 2 songs on the airwaves everytime they release an album. I have >not bought a Rush album since Grace Under Pressure, yet I know of Test for >Echo and such. They fall in the area I talked about before, they make the >music they want, but INCLUDE one or two 'PLAYABLE' songs in every album. > >>As for Gary's career being over because he did not get Exile signed to >>a major label -- what a joke. He's gone this long with little or >>no help -- in fact, against some pretty insurmountable obstacles. > >Obatacles which HE placed and which HE needs to work VERY hard to remove. >True he is still making music, but for how long? And at what cost? >Remember, he is getting married soon. Married life and the future will all >of a sudden be more of a factor as he has others who will depend on their >future well being in his hands. I know of no wife who will ALLOW their >future well being to be ruined without at least a comment about it. (Not >saying that Gary will listen.... ). > > >>Gary ALSO needs to stop re-releasing his past glories. >>He fills the market with past hits and cannot give any >>new ones. >>Course this is my 2 cents. But since I work in music every day, all day, >>its a better 2 cents than most. > >>As a fan, I am appreciative of your concerns. But, as someone who >>works in music everyday, I would think you would know that Gary is not >>directly responsible for the majority of the re-releases of his material. >>That credit goes to the likes of Rialto/Receiver and Beggars Banquet, as >>well as several overseas companies. > >Hmmm.. I myself remember Premier Hits from last year, which was all his. >Gary also gets royalities and allows the songs to be uses as he owns the >rights. Its a fact of just say no here. David Bowie did it several years >ago once RYKO released his multi-set greatest hits and he did his HITS tour. >He made it clear then that this was the last time he was going to play the >songs in concert, that it was time to move on. Maybe Gary should do the >same. > >Oh, well.... I could go on, but I have made my point. I to would like for >Gary to stay the same, but I think he needs to do something soon or be >EXILE'd from the future. I hate the thought of Gary always being on VH-1 >one hit wonders, or sitting in a pub when he's 80, nursing a pint and >telling people how he was once someone. > >Just my 2 cents worth. > >Mike > >They kneel down, praise god shout allelujah, >lift up their eyes when they pray. >When children kill children don't it make them wonder? >don't it make them question their faith? > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 03:07:21 -0400 >From: brezniakdavid@webtv.net (David Brezniak) >Subject: My Bad Memory.... >To: numan@cs.uwp.edu > >As much as I can remember, I'll reply here to. >As far as Gary releasing "Exile" on his own label, look at it the way >Joey Lindstrom explained to me..(thanks, Joey) >By releasing "Exile" on his own label, Gary can now move on, as the film >role is coming close, as well as the October tour. If the album isn't >out, why tour? By releasing it on Numa, he's also saying to the record >companies "No time left..get off your butt" and it does put pressure on >the labels. Also, this deal Gary has acquired with "Sirrius" to release >"Sacrifice" with a somewhat different track listing will definitely move >some heads in the right direction. This shows Gary does mean business >and he's not fooling around. He now has legal and professional folks >here in the U.S. working on his side for a "deal" and so he's not alone >anymore.:-) >Also, to those of you fine folks who don't realize this fact: Look at >the "re-releasing" of old "past glories" this way..As Gary has stated in >"Images 11" (don't quote this) ... by re-releasing material it just may >get heard by a person who's never heard it before. Simply by >re-packaging and shuffling around the tracks a bit, you hopefully get an >album or a single that can be heard by many "new" listeners. Thus, >growing the population of Numan fans. If 100 new fans come from every >country off a new "re-release" what's wrong with that? >Nothing in my opinion. It's simple marketing and virtually isn't >costing Gary any real dough to put out. >There's my opinions for today. Hope I didn't offend anyone. (Hi, again >Andy:)) >Take Care All! >David P. Brezniak > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 10:04:12 -0400 (EDT) >From: Astronif2@aol.com >Subject: Numan live in the UK >To: numan@cs.uwp.edu > >Sorry, Brad, but I just had to speak up. > >Sure, it would be wonderful if all the US Numan fans could jet over to see >the man in concert on his own native soil. I'd love to. Are you funding the >trip? I'm free for most of the summer! Some folks have a hard enough time >spending the extra money on exports, though we do it from time to > time. : ) > >Your thought is very nice, but not too workable, unfortunately, for most. We >US fans wouldn't want Gary to think we refuse to travel to see him! > >I do agree with you that we should get over his hair, for christsakes! Let's >move on, shall we? > >By the by, any Chicago fans? Any Chicago fans that know of a good record >store that carries a decent selection of GN albums? > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 09 May 97 18:46:39 GMT >From: V.Boston@softech.ie >Subject: Random ramblings!! >To: numan@cs.uwp.edu > >I saw the tracklisting from the Random CD(s) and I have to say I was a little >disappointed. Firstly disk 2 is a collection of remixes by a lot of NKOTB I >haven't heard of and I fear it may turn out like the very average 'techno-army' >LP. Secondly, what happened to the Tori Amos version of "Please push no more"? >Definitely the one I wanted to hear. Perhap's she'll put it on a b-side. And >why no SHAMPOO cover(s). These cheeky lasses from Plumstead!, London, England >have already voiced their love of Numan in a variety of ways. The UK sleeve of >their debut "We are Shampoo" cd has a montage of 80's memorabilia including a >"replicas" LP cover. The same album namechecks "Gary in a song and yet another >song, "Gameboy" features a riff almost note for note from "Are 'Friends' >Electric"!! The US sleeve is different with a minor track listing and title >change if i'm not mistaken. > >Victor Boston >v.boston@softech.ie > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 16:24:49 -0400 >From: Matthew Roberts >Subject: Web bits & pieces >To: "INTERNET:numan@cs.uwp.edu" > >Anyone who would like to see the inspiration behind not only the title but >the cover of The Pleasure Principle might want to visit the Rene Magritte >Art Gallery at: > >http://www.virtuo.be/ > >Go to Room P to see 'Le principe du plaisir'. > >There's also a picture in Room D called 'Le dormeur temeraire' which I >think means 'The Reckless Sleeper' (as in 'I Am Render'). Can any linguists >(or anyone with a French/English dictionary) confirm that? > >Whilst you're surfing you could also visit Gary and a distinguished group >of scientists, philosophers and other trouble makers at the Celebrity >Atheist Site: > >http://www.primenet.com/~lippard/atheistcelebs/ ..... or let Yahoo take >you there. > >Matthew > >"If you see kay >Tell him he may >See you in tea >Tell him from me" James Joyce > >------------------------------ > >End of Gary Numan Digest >****************************** > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____ ____ ____ _____ _____ > / \ | | / \ / \ / \ / \ > | |-----| |-----| | |-----| |-----| | > | | G | | A | | | R | | Y | | > | | | | | | | | | | | > | |-----| |-----| | |-----| |-----| | > | | | | | | | | | | | > | | | | | | | | | | | > | | | | | | | | | | | > | | | | N | E | W | S |=====| | | > | | | | | & | | | | | > | | \_____/ I | N | F | O | | | | > > is produced and distributed by Derek Langsford > dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To reply to the messages in this list, mail to: > > numan@cs.uwp.edu > >If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, you can mail to > > numan-request@cs.uwp.edu > > ----------------- > The Gary Numan Digest is brought to you via > >Datta Production and Development, 905 97th Street, Kenosha, WI 53143 USA > datta@cs.uwp.edu > and > computer resources courtesy of University of Wisconsin-Parkside > and Datta Production and Development. > >All of the opinions in this digest belong to the respective authors and >do not necessarily agree with those of Datta Production and Development. >Datta Production and Development is not affiliated with University Of >Wisconsin - Parkside or the University of Wisconsin System. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > 22 ZULU OCTOBER ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 02:11:13 -0800 From: alexander way Subject: nsullivan: John Foxx "tried" what?! To: numan@cs.uwp.edu In the Gary Numan Digest VI #139, I couldn't help but notice Nicholas Sullivan's letter. Nicholas, your support of Gary Numan is a good thing, but when you get into statements in the area of John Foxx, you're in very silly territory:- > Many others tried to take on this style like John foxx but im > sure people would agree that Numan always had the defintive edge on > the very late seventies and early eighties music. John Foxx didn't "take on" the Numan style just like Numan didn't "take on" the John Foxx style, as he was often accused of doing. "Metamatic" is a completely different kind of record from "The Pleasure Principle." Furthermore, Ultravox in general, and John Foxx's lyrics in particular had a profound influence on the young, clever Gary Webb. It's unfair to say what you said because both Foxx and Numan are innovators and the recorded works in question sound nothing at all like each other. I would say that both of them influenced two different camps in eighties popular music of the electronic style, neither one of which lived up to the initial energy and originality of the originals. And yes, Foxx was influenced and probably excited by Numan (and many others at the time) but the reverse is also certainly true. Beyond that, how could someone be a Numan fan of that era and NOT a John Foxx fan? I guess it's possible but, in my humble opinion, very weird. To each his own I suppose. > The problem is that Gary deserted what he does best. Charlie > Chaplin never gave up his cane and tramp image. Im not suggesting that > Gary should reverberate his old career but focus on what he does best > which still creeps through in all his albums. I agree with you BUT Numan (and Foxx, for that matter) took some detours and now, from what I've heard, the music and lyrics are right back on track. ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 1997 22:50:31 -0600 From: "Joe Abell" Subject: Piece of My Mind To: "Numan Digest" Fellow Numanoids, I have not contributed anything to the digest in quite some time, = however, I expect to get flamed for what I am about to say. Please do not = think of this as a "bashing", try to think of this as a concerned fan who = simply needs to vent some frustrating thoughts. First let me address the absolutely embarrassing........Gary Numan/Cars = issue. I am sick to f-----g death of it! Yes, I would love to see Gary = get some decent publicity, but how many times does he need to make = appearances on TV lip singing to a song that was popular 17 freaking = years ago! The one hit wonder is back, singing Cars! How totally = embarrassing it is for me to keep hearing this over, and over, and over, = and over. I can't stand it anymore!!!!!!!!!!! Gary, get off your arse and = get noticed singing something new, jeezus, you're in the same category as = Tiny Tim. Secondly, let me address the United States Record label issue. I would = certainly want for Gary to be able to enjoy Stateside success = again.................but let's face it folks.........it isn't gonna = happen. The music style he is marketing right now is not going to fly = with the public, the Goth crowd maybe, but with no one else. I'm sorry = but I did not think Sacrifice was as spectacular as everyone else did, = and Exile, from what I have heard isn't any better. Let's face it, Gary = is 39 years old now, he's getting too old to be romping around in leather = suits, and his hair is another matter. I wish he would wake up and create = a more mature image of himself, be able to project himself to an older, = more stable crowd, or even go the soundtrack route. Gary is so talented, = he's wasting his time with the vein he's in right now. My biggest fear is = this, if he should get a deal in the States again,chances are he might = have another hit single......and then fade into oblivion....once more. Lastly, what's with this Gemma? " There would be no Sacrifice without = Gemma." Think I'm gonna puke!!!!!!!!! SINCE WHEN HAS GARY NUMAN EVER = NEEDED A PINK/PURPLE CAR DRIVING BIMBO, WHO FARTS IN PUBLIC, TO INFLUENCE = HIS MUSIC!!!!!!!!! And what's with the grey fuzzy sweaters she's got him = wearing? Come on Gary, do we really need another case of JOHN AND YOKO? I feel much better now! (Deana)Rattles. P.S. Brian McGibbon are u still out there? If so drop me an e-mail. P.P.S. Hello Paul :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 17:02:14 -0700 From: Martin Pengelly Subject: Sierra Charlie Article To: Gary Numan Digest Dear All, Having recently written an article for an American flying magazine on Gary's Harvard, is there anyone out there, that would like a copy of the Yours sincerely, Martin Pengelly Landrake, Cornwall, UK European Correspondent - North American Trainer Association ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************