Gary Numan Digest Thu, 26 Jun 97 Volume 1 : Issue 342 Today's Topics: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A3 for =A3: tax exiles on mean street?= looney left ? New Member Nick " looney lefty " numan Numan Disco...in SAN FRANCISCO???? Numan Interview request politics (2 msgs) Random Random (and other Numan-related) Reviews Sharpe & Numan "automatic" and Marilyn Manson Thank you Andy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 14:41:36 -0800 From: alexander way Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A3 for =A3: tax exiles on mean street?= To: numan@cs.uwp.edu > Gary is that when asked, he'd never > heard of such stuff as Section 28, but still espoused > (is that a word?) his politics, so as well as having > right wing views, he also seemed rather ignorant. Didn't Gary try to escape British taxes by living in LA for awhile? Talking about Gary's intelligence seems a bit over the top (to me at least). There was a piece of shit who killed John Lennon seventeen years ago. He claimed that Lennon was just too rich and ignorant and wasn't liberal enough to deserve to live. As for Gary seeming "rather ignorant," aren't most people, be they Right, Left or Center, pretty ignorant to begin with? At least in the US, a large percentage of the population vote the way of their friends/family. They vote however society conditions them to vote with maybe half of an idea in their heads. Andy, is it not obvious that Gary voted according to his pocketbook? Speaking of money, there's a recurring trend over here. That is that those people supposedly of the left wing tribal persuasion were born into lots of money and often the people on the right wing tribal persuasion were born poor. A quick and easy example would be the Kennedy clan (American royalty) and Reagan (pulling yourself up "by the bootstraps" and living the American Dream). It seems to me that Gary voted for the staying power of his money, like many people in the US do, and didn't bother looking into Section 28. Terribly sad, but probably true. Quite a few beings in the music industry here are conservatives and it just doesn't matter as much these days as it would have mattered in 1968. I can remember so-called "gangsta rapper" Eazy E of NWA attended a Republican contributor's dinner, dressed in full gangsta wear, with President Bush. The critics just kind of chuckled about that one. I'm sure that there are plenty of British acts that vote one way and mouth off the other. Could it be any other way? As far as Live Aid goes, please correct me if I'm mistaken, but wasn't that a total disaster as far as where the money was supposed to go and where it actually went? Kind of like the US Congress. I agree with you about Free Tibet. It would be cool if Gary jumped on THAT bandwagon. But, then again, I guess he would have to have been invited to join in the inner circle of the cool, liberal musicians' party in order to have made the gig. Besides that, doesn't Gary "give" as much as any other band "gives?" Isn't he involved with animal shelters, charities and the like? And isn't that enough?! There's nothing wrong with politics and pop but I haven't seen it work yet. Fugazi give off a sort of Marxist vibe, it's true but I just don't buy it. Literally. I think Rolling Stone, in one rare burst of wit and intelligence, called The Clash "Gummo Marxists." That says it all for me. Who cares which direction Brian Wilson votes for example? He stayed in bed for ten years or something like that. WHO CARES? Maybe I'm even more jaded than many Brits. The right wing thing is pretty sickening (Thatcher, Newt, et all) but when I hear left wing party line jargon, I'm sorry but it's just a big YAWN, sir. Fortunately Gary hasn't made political records. Thinking better of it, with all this debate he stirs, maybe he should. I agree with you about guns. Guns are pretty lame and it's great that they're not popular in Britain! If that all comes down to the fact that all good Britons are Socialist then three cheers for Socialists. Guns are not popular in Japan either (another island nation-- do I see a pattern?). They're just popular with us rootin', tootin' yanks, I suppose. What more does Gary have to do to redeem himself with the English public? Didn't he vote Labour? He said he was SO, so, soooooooooo, sooooooooooooooooooooo sowee with that all-important action, didn't he? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 21:01:17 +0100 From: "nick" Subject: looney left ? To: "Gary Numan" ******************************************************************** LOONEY LEFT ? REPLY ******************************************************************** apologies in advance for this rather long reply scroll down to avoid this debate Joey Lindstrom Nick Fox JL> Leaving aside for the moment whether or not the Conservative party is JL> based on "pure greed" or not - JL> please explain to all of us *NOT* in JL> your ivory tower precisely what is wrong with a musician, or any JL> celebrity, endorsing a political party? I can think of at least one musician who's career has been damaged through political endorsements. Surely as a Numan fan you can see disadvantages ?? Now may I return to my ivory tower :) JL>The ultra-leftists in U2 JL> have done it - and they've gotta be *THE* greediest band out there, JL> charging $100 per ticket on their current "PopMart" tour. U2 have contributed in a very BIG way to various world causes. If that's being left wing and greedy that's fine by me. JL> A *VERY* JL> large number of bands, and individual musicians, and individual JL> celebrities, have endorsed political parties and/or particular JL> beliefs/causes that they hold dear. Nobody ever condemns them for JL> it. So why is Gary singled out? That's a good question, Perhaps Gary just upset the wrong people. JAL> Is your problem the fact that Gary's on the right-wing rather than JAL> the left? If so, get your head out of your ass. No I don't think so, I would have preferred Gary to adopt a neutral position thus avoiding any possible conflict. JL> You make an JL> assumption that anyone on the right-wing is "greedy" and therefore JL> evil. As a right-winger myself (and rather poor I might add), I take JL> strong offense. I accept that I made several generalisations in order to amplify my point. I don't accept that a greedy person has to be *EVIL* that's your assumption BTW what's it like to be rather poor ? It must be very tough for you JL>You don't see me coming in here calling anybody who supports abortion JL> "baby killers" (regardless of what I may or may not believe), so JL> don't presume to tell us how greedy Gary is because he endorsed JL> Maggie Thatcher et al. Did you have to bring that wrinkly old bat Thatcher into this :) NF> I for one will never forget his smug attitude, and totally understand NF>the media reaction. JL> I didn't see any of this occur - if there was indeed any "smugness" JL> then perhaps a negative reaction by the media becomes easier to JL> understand. But to hold it against him this long, even after he JL> endorsed the *LABOR* party recently... no, one "smug" interview isn't JL> enough reason. I can't deny that I and others hold a grudge, it does however show the strength of feeling that surrounds politics. I actually tried very hard to forgive and forget but its easier said than done. JL> In fact, the real reason comes down to Gary's being on the JL> right-wing, rather than the left. In the UK, as is the case in both JL> Canada and the US, the media is liberal-dominated (about 95%). yawn -----yawn ----cut------cut-------- Joey spare me the geographical political analysis, I am not interested. JL> Face it, Nick - there's a *LOT* of different people in this world and JL> we all, Gary included, have a right to stand up for what we believe JL> in, even if it differs from your narrow perception of what's "right" JL> and what's "wrong". To immediately brand Gary as "greedy" and "smug" JL> because of his political beliefs is just as bad as any of the shit JL> Hitler pulled in the 1930's. Gary publicly announced his beliefs and I am publicly disagreeing with them. I can't see the problem with that. Ok the wording could have been refined but its an opinion that's all. To compare that with the shit hitler pulled is a little unfair surely ? JL> This whole political correctness JL> movement is fascism, and censorship, of the highest order. Be careful Joey you never know who might be reading this. I have heard they come in the night > JL> In the liner notes of the 1992 album "Machine + Soul", Gary wrote JL> that he owed his fans "everything" He also said on the "Dream Corrosion" video its a fifty/fifty deal between himself and his fans. In the last three years I have seen very little evidence to support that. Unless of course you like collecting duplicates. ....... JL> Yeah, he's an ungrateful bastard JL> all right. He has lost money on every tour he's ever done. Yup, JL> he's a money grubber, Gary is. DAMN HIM TO HELL! I am very interested in the theory regarding Gary's tour losses. Apart from the usual Numan propaganda have you any real evidence that Gary lost on every tour he did ? ("we all reap what we sow") JL> Name me *ONE* band, or musician, out there who is *NOT* in it for the JL> money. And when you do, I'll call you a liar Joey that seems to be the problem :( Music will suffer when money is the primary objective. Like I said I think Gary fell into that trap, I called it greed Call me a liar if it makes you feel better :) **************************************************************************** Lord Nick Fox **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:14:03 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: New Member To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hi there everyone, Especially to those that have helped me get here from the Kraftwerk mailing list! I am probably one of the guys that you think, "Why, oh why did he do that......."! To understand why I say this, read on. I started collecting Numan records in 1979, and started with all the Tubeway Army stuff. From there on I collected everything upto 1988. Unfortunately at this time, as I also collected many other rare Electronic music, I moved house and had to sell my record collection. This is something I have regretted right upto this day! The only records I did not get hold of was the Photograph LP and Live at the Roxy 1978, although I still have a copy of the Roxy gig on cassette. I am originally from Norwich in the United Kingdom, and used to attend the various Numan disco's in the area, is anyone on this list from there and remembers them? I actually came second in a Numan look-a-like contest once, and was branded Mr. Poser!! (I'm a Poser Man you see..........Roxy!!) I would also like to use this opportunity to say Hi to Derrick in San Diego, I have relatives in Escondido and Vista, so when I am out there next, perhaps we can meet up. On a final note, from discussions on the Kraftwerk list it has been recommended that I arrange a Electronic disco in the UK. As I am a DJ in my spare time and live in Milton Keynes, it will be easy for me to get the gear and venue and to arrange something in a fairly central point in the UK for such an event. Watch this space, but let me know if you are interested, or would like to help me. Best Regards, Craig. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 97 08:31:00 PDT From: Tina Freeman Subject: Nick " looney lefty " To: digest I would just like to point out a few things to Nick 1) Here in the UK we have a freedom of speech policy and that applies to Gary just as much as anyone else. 2)Compare Gary to the likes of Bowie ( Drugs in the 70's ) , Kurt Kobane(sp?) (drugs ) ,Elvis Presley ( drugs alcohol etc ) Oasis ( General morons who think nothing of letting their fans down ) etc,etc,etc................................ Gary may be arrogant yes but isn't he entitled to be after all he is a musical genius. 3)I only go to work for the money what does that make me ???? 4) Last I would just like to point out that if you wish say such purile rubbish please refrain from sending it here , send it to the NME instead where other brainless Morons can read it. TF ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 97 13:26:00 PDT From: Tina Freeman Subject: numan To: digest Hi,my name is Tina Freeman i live near Oxford England i'm married and 28. Sometime in 1979 I had a nightmare-which I can still remember today-so to take my mind of it I turned on the radio. The record playing was Are Friends Electric which had a spooky resemblance to my nightmare from that moment on I hated GN. Being a record which prompted such horrible memories my attention was drawn to the tv and radio many times and gradually I became a fan. Sadly being only 10 and living then in the sticks i was unable to go to any of the concerts and after the media started their we hate GN campaign I gradually lost touch. On moving to Oxford in 1990 I discovered that Gary was playing at the local theatre so I bought a ticket and went along.I cannot describe the feeling many of the songs I did not recognise but felt I knew anyway.The atmosphere was electic better than any concert i've ever been to and i've been to quite a few. Since then i've been to see him every time he's played,dragging my husband along in the process( he likes Gary but is not a fanatic).Ive bought most of his back catalogue and joined the fan club. One of his best gigs was at Adrenalin village in 1996 the festival was ok but the snide comments from some 16yr old annoyed me. My most recent dealing with Gary was at the Random signing in Birmingham England 2 hours we waited and when I got there I was too tongue tied to say anything , fancy a 28yr old married woman acting like a teenager!!! I ve keeping my eyes out to see what sort of reaction the British music industry are giving it. British Record shop Our Price has it in its recommended section which is good Virgin records,well,has it in its new section but HMV Britains largest record shop didn't have it at all (well not in Oxford anyway). There was also a review on one of the local tv channels an odd review which started " Paranoid Android Bowie wannabe" and finished something like "a suspect album which makes you want to hear the original".Did a GN fan write this i think so. My biggest regret was missing those nine years but i feel that i have returned in time for the best of GN.How long will it last not long enough i think!! TF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:27:52 -0700 From: David Pipe Subject: Numan Disco...in SAN FRANCISCO???? To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Last night I attended "New Wave City" here in San Francisco - a "roaming 80's dance party" that plays music exclusively from the late 70's to early 80's. I've been to lots of these, and they're really fun. They usually have about one per month. Anyway, as I walked into the club I picked up a flyer describing their next event (on July 5th) and it's a tribute to....GARY NUMAN! They'll be playing tons of his music, and giving away copies of RANDOM and PREMIER HITS. I was VERY psyched until I realized that I'll be on vacation in Australia on July 5! DAMN!! What rotten luck... Anyway, I'd encourage any Numanoids in the San Francisco Bay Area to check out the event. It's at a club called the King Street Garage (174 King, between 2nd & 3rd) and goes from 9 pm to 3 am. For more info, New Wave City has a phone number (415-675-LOVE) and a website (www.newwavecity.com). If you go, have fun and think of me in Aussie Outland. - David P.S. Just got my copy of RANDOM. Without going into details about each song, I LOVE IT. My favorite (after only 1 listen): EMF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:17:48 -0700 (PDT) From: ma@madworks.com (m.a.) Subject: Numan Interview request To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello, Two weeks back a few of you were kind enough to send me a few e-mail addresses that I could use to request a web site interview w/ Gary. Would you please be kind enough to re-send those same addresses? I had a mail server problem which basically ended up eating two weeks of e-mail (*sigh*). I'd appreciate any help. Thanks, Mitchell Anthony Mitchell Anthony MADworks the 3D Studio - - - - - - - - Looking for someone new to worship? Visit the lovely Cyber Maidens: "MADworks presents BioFractals" at http://www.biofractals.com http://www.madworks.com http://www.sugarcube.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 00:02:23 -0500 From: paddygav@kcnet.com (Paddy) Subject: politics To: numan@cs.uwp.edu ah politics. . . I generally don't care what the personal politics of an artist are. I used to listen to World Party (which is the only thing that comes to mind just now), and how that guy would sout on about the saving of this and the saving of that. Hell, I could even sing along, even though I realized that a great deal what he was singing about was based on junk science. I would have to say that I would side more with Gary politically (I myself am a Libertarian), though I tend not to make any sort of judgement due my lack of knowledge of British government and what exactly "Conservative" means there as opposed to here. What I do know is that even if Gary came out tomorrow in favor of one world goverment and 100 percent taxes, I'd still like the stuff I like now-we'd have to see about the future; ) So let his politics bother you. I have to admit that it grates my ass to the bone when stars with years of governmental expeience like Cher speaks out on issues, and the media jump all over it. Never mind that there is some one with just a hair more credibility saying the exact opposite. Get on uP! http://kcnet.com/~paddygav/images.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 97 12:27:00 PDT From: Tina Freeman Subject: Politics To: digest Will people please stop turning the digest into some sort of political arena. Personally i do not give a stuff what political party Gary sides with, millions of people including myself voted tory in the eightes and i am certainly no fascist !!!! You have no right to discuss Gary's private life even if he did make the stupid mistake of telling the whole world please lets just get on with discussing his music and leave the mud slinging to the tabloids!!!!!! TF ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 97 08:50:17 -0500 From: Subject: Random To: I went out of the room as the Earl Brutis version of 'M.E.' was on and all of a sudden I hear a very familiar sample. When the song goes into 'Queen' mode that sample at 2:06 into the song is from Queen's 'Ogre Battle'. Interesting....... Shane iconoclast: 1. One who attacks and seeks to overthrow traditional or popular ideas or institutions. 2. One who destroys sacred religious images. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 02:06:53 -0800 From: Lyssa Subject: Random (and other Numan-related) Reviews To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) I just finished and uploaded my track-by-track review of Random to My Shadow In Vain (URL http://home.earthlink.net/~madhouse_/random.html ) and want to hear from you what your comments, reviews, etc. are on the album, or on any of Gary's albums, videos, music, etc. If you'd like to have your review posted, please email it to me and I'll get it up as soon as I can. Thanks, Lyssa Tearin it up..I'm living on empty... The Madhouse http://home.earthlink.net/~madhouse_/ Home of The Madhouse, Cry of the Celts, My Shadow In Vain, The Octopi Pit, and Selah's Cool Mac CyberPunk Central http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/6115 Home of the CyberPunk Cafe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:37:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael R. Ward" Subject: Sharpe & Numan "automatic" and Marilyn Manson To: numan digest i have a copy of sharpe & numan i wish to put out for bid if anyone is interested. also while cd shopping the other day i noticed a full length cd from holland (i think) which contains multiple remixs of m.m. songs remixed by people such as trent reznor. there is 3 mixes of the numan cover on it. i was rather surprised and would have bought except (imo) a little m.m. goes a long way. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 08:16:33 -0500 (EST) From: MHDST4@vms.cis.pitt.edu Subject: Thank you Andy To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Re: Bands not in it for the money Fugazi was the first band that popped into my mind. Five bucks per show and they even gave up a slot on Lollapalooza way way back because of the price tag. ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************