Gary Numan Digest Thu, 20 Nov 97 Volume 1 : Issue 383 Today's Topics: "THE SEED OF A LIE" Check out the Wedding Pictures! Dominion Day spoof Gary Numan Digest V1 #382 (2 msgs) i've only seen gary 20 million times. Just checking Large Breasts No! Not more Exile! NUMA 2 LP Numan Numan's lyrics are crap Numan Live 22nd November Numan News Weekly Oh no I didn't Random 3 Reply to Nick Fox's message in Digest #382 Response to a couple of postings Sometimes you people are too defensive! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:20:21 -0600 From: "Harper, David" Subject: "THE SEED OF A LIE" To: "joey@lindstrom.com" Hey Klaus...my version of "The Seed of a Lie" on DAT is on the way to you for a "RANDOM 3-THE INTERNET MIXES" audition. I hope the project is still in the works. Anyone out there need a cassette copy of it can just drop me a line and I will mail you one 'cause it's PHAT !!! BERSERKER ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:05 -0700 (MST) From: "Stephen.Austra-beck" Subject: Check out the Wedding Pictures! To: "joey@lindstrom.com" For those that haven't checked it out, the provider of the Numan Network site ABSOLUTION has provided wonderful pictures of the Gemma-Gary wedding. I presume these are the photos from 'Hello' I'd hoped would have made it to NuWorld as alluded. It was impossible to find the issue of 'Hello' the wedding was covered in here. Gemma looked fabulous! Stephen Austra-Beck / ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 09:29:00 PST From: Scott Abfalter Subject: Dominion Day spoof To: "joey@lindstrom.com" Sung to the tune of Dominion Day: On the table, I see a large turkey. On the table I see bowls of corn and peas, On the table, I see sweet potatoes and mashed ones too, On the table, I see the bowls of gravy. 'My friend and, my family, This is Thanksgiving Day, Pass a drumstick down to me, This is Thanksgiving Day! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:32:51 -0500 (EST) From: Broso@aol.com Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #382 To: "joey@lindstrom.com" For all you DRAMATIS infoseekers: In Germany, Polydor published a double-A single containing OH!2025 and EX LUNA SCIENTIA on one 7" - I got it. Anyone interested? Cheers, Boris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:01:41 -0800 From: "bensonj" Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #382 To: "joey@lindstrom.com" Just adding my notes about Exile. I am joining the throng to say that I very much enjoyed the CD. Picked one up this weekend in Vancouver to listen to on my drive back to Seattle. The hip Seattle stores didn't have it, but it was in quite a few places in Vancouver. I agree with other comments that the loops are much better done than on Sacrifice. I was really beginning to wish that Gary would use some different vocals effects, however. By and large, it is the same level in the mix and the same delay effect for all the tracks. Someone had remarked earlier that all the tracks sounded like the same song. I think that this is the major reason. Otherwise, I found the drums, guitar and keyboard to be quite distinct. But when you have four or five songs with Gary singing "way-- oh ohhhhhhh. Whayyyyy oheee ohhhhhh" with the same level of reverb it's going to sound fairly similar. I didn't find the messages to be as dark or anti-religious as everyone said. I do, however, wish that I had a quarter for all the Numan songs where he says, "I don't...." :) Gary, I would be very interested in loaning you my different effects arrays. I think there are many many ways to present your distinctive voice and style. Stretch out! Jim Benson Seattle, Washington ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 08:25:18 -0800 From: alexander way Subject: i've only seen gary 20 million times. To: "joey@lindstrom.com" oh yeah? well i'm a hardcore fan 'cuz i've seen him twenty-MILLION times. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:18:37 -0600 From: mark a hubbard Subject: Just checking To: "joey@lindstrom.com" >Very interesting is the included CD ROM, which included an Video of Gary at his >studio for PC or MAC computers, and some songs of RANDOM. Saw this posted on the Numan Digest # by Markus from(Nuremberg/Germany), and if anyone out there has this, and can do attachments to their E-mail programs, I would love to check it out. If you are using Eudora, or a similar type E-mail program you probably do. Contact me, and we can work something out. Take care, Mark A Hubbard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 10:18:06 -0000 From: "Barry Lynch" Subject: Large Breasts To: "joey@lindstrom.com" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BCF278.EE0F2AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The new single? Surely it must be 'Alien Cure' re-mixed perhaps by = David Arnold. The live version had a hypnotically heavy beat. To be = followed by 'Dark'. When will Gary re-discover 'hooks' as his songs haven't had any for = years. Anyway, has anyone heard anything about the lead singer from 'Smashing = Pumpkins' forming a Numan tribute band called 'The Replicants'? I heard = it mentioned briefly on Radio 1. Barry Lynch London UK P.S. I am still trying to replace my stolen 'Automatic' CD. Can anyone = help? 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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BCF278.EE0F2AE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:27:26 -0500 (EST) From: SomaCrow@aol.com Subject: No! Not more Exile! To: "joey@lindstrom.com" Yes, MORE Exile! :-) Hi everyone, Stephen Austra-Beck (beautiful name): YES!! I caught the "Prophecy" film link too. I was on the phone today discussing Exile, and was asked what the hell "The Angel Wars" is about. My reply was to describe the scene in the beginning of "The Prophecy" with the charred angel's skeleton. Very creepy, I liked though. Perhaps I should find a still of it somewhere... GOOD LUCK!!! :-P Anyway I've Exile, obviously, and interjections ("yippee!" "wow!" "cor!") are not enough to express my joy. I love it. I hear the Sisters of Mercy and Depeche Mode in it, unsurprisingly. Especially in "An Alien Cure"; that little guitar bit that kicks in at the last verse sounds quite DM to my deranged mind. But enough about that!! I have a kick-ass Exile review on my site now, and it's NOT like other Exile reviews. I don't say, "Here's what's wrong with it." Even if I thought it really had "problems" (which I don't think), I needn't restate them, since everybody else has had them out in the Digest for weeks! :-) Instead I devote it to a (admittedly probably HOPEFULLY shite) theory and to my personal reaction to it. Come ON, people!! You complain about drum tracks and comical chord changes; DOESN'T EXILE AFFECT YOU EMOTIONALLY AT ALL?! Why are you Numanoids, why do you bother, if you no longer FEEL the music?! Indignance off. Here's a taster of my Unconventional Exile Review-Essay-Wotsit: "EXILE is not about religion. The destruction of God and faith are an allegory to disillusionment with power and its accouterment, war. Gary was deeply shaken by the account of one child's murder by a few others; what was this incident but the depravity of war on a smaller scale, in a place thought safe? On his new album, Gary finds corruption everywhere. ..." It's a weird interpretation, nor is it so cold and clinical all the way through. Share and Enjoy, k? Much obliged. :-) http://members.aol.com/somacrow/numan/exile.html Love, napalm, and glorious lies, Riana "I'd take my soul from the Devil, for to give to you..." (my lovely interp of it) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:07:15 +0000 From: donut@cableinet.co.uk Subject: NUMA 2 LP To: "joey@lindstrom.com" Hi digesters.... There had been a little interest in the Numa 1 album recently which provoked my brain cells to thinking that there was a Numa 2 album. The cover was the same as Numa 1 but in blue and i'm damn sure i have seen it. I think it was in a record shop years ago but i never baught it,,,damn fool!!! so if anyone has it and would consider selling it then please drop me a line. Also if anyone has any further information then please contact ME! Thanx for eyeballing this trash.. :o) ANDY The Skin Mechanic ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:32:13 -0800 From: Ralph Ferrin Subject: Numan To: "joey@lindstrom.com" Hello - Like most here, I've been a Gary Numan fan since early on. If memory serves, Gary Numan became one of my favorites when Replicas came out. Which in turn made me appreciate Tubeway Army and The Plan than I originally had. I think it's unrealistic to compare Numan albums and try to choose a favorite. But if I was forced to, I would choose Berserker, Dance, and Metal Rhythm. In that order. But don't force me to. I have never seen Gary live. And I would go to a great deal of effort to do so. But so far, I haven't had an opportunity to go to Europe (I live in the U.S., Seattle of all the god-awful places). There are a lot of Gary Numan fans in the Pacific Northwest. And if he came to Seattle or Vancouver B.C., I bet he would get a good showing. I am in a band with a couple of CD's out. We were included on a Gary Numan tribute CD. On which we contributed covers of "Bleed" and "This is New Love". We still play "Bleed" live. One of our favorites. Other artists I enjoy are Suzanne Vega, Sodom, Pet Shop Boys, Deep Purple, Jethro Tull, most Black Sabbath derivatives (BS, Dio, Ozzy, Cathedral), Celtic Frost, Rush, Boltthrower,etc... same as everyone else. It's nice to see the support that Gary receives in the electronic "community". Through most of the 80's and early 90's being a Gary Numan fan was a quiet and mostly solitary endeavour. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:06:47 -0500 From: Matthew Roberts Subject: Numan's lyrics are crap To: "joey@lindstrom.com" "When you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide my eyes from you; Even if you offer many prayers I will not listen." ISAIAH 1:15 "Do you believe...that God is all forgiving?" GARY NUMAN. EXILE I don't believe. Either that God is anything or that Gary's lyrics are crap. "Kneel before my alter and drink the wine of slaughter." This, apparently, is a truly atrocious lyric that should never have seen the light of day. I couldn't possibly comment. Still.... The Roman Catholic Church has the sacrament of the transubstantiation whe= re worshippers kneel before God's alter and drink red wine which they believ= e is actually (& literally) converted into the blood of Christ in the process. = And, of course, Christ said "Do not suppose that I have come to bring pea= ce to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come= to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law - a man's enemies will be the members of his own household." It might then be a cheeky but inspired interpretation of these facts to imagine God commanding "Kneel before my alter and drink the wine of slaughter", especially in a subtly different Universe where God is actual= ly waging a covert war against mankind. One might almost say the lyric was brilliant. But then, of course, we have people like Austin to set us straight. Matthew Roberts ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:15:04 -0500 From: Matthew Roberts Subject: Numan Live 22nd November To: "joey@lindstrom.com" NUMAN LIVE 22nd NOVEMBER For anyone in the UK who doesn't already know, The Numan Principle will b= e playing a live set at Williams Wine & Ale House near Liverpool Street Station in London this Saturday 22nd November. = There will also be a Numan Disco and the whole thing runs from 7PM until 2AM. This has always been one of the best Numan venues and it's bound to = be a great night, especially if you're suffering post tour depression. = I don't have ticket details at the moment, but I suggest you either try Matthew Holbrook's NuZone web-site or e-mail me and I'll find out if you can book in advance. Matthew Roberts (I hope this made Thursday's Digest :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:55:48 +0000 From: Tom Gorham Subject: Numan News Weekly To: "joey@lindstrom.com" A short term Numan Web site can be viewed at: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~jargon/numa.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:41:53 -0000 From: "downstat" Subject: Oh no I didn't To: "joey@lindstrom.com" In Digest 382, Nick Fox stated: > Austin you once told me to get my head out of my arse > and also accused me of attacking Gary for the most stupid > of reasons. Remember ? > Without wishing to be pedantic, for the record, I would like to point out that the above allegation is untrue. That particular criticism of Nick Fox was made by someone else - not me: a point that Nick Fox now recognizes. I am a staunch believer in total freedom of speech on this digest and do not want to be associated with others who believe than only critical acclaim of Gary Numan should be allowed. So there. Austin Baggett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:20:02 -0000 From: Phil Marsh Subject: Random 3 To: "joey@lindstrom.com" Hi all=20 Most of you no doubt will remember a little while ago Klaus Sauer trying = to organise a Numan Digest Members version of the Random Numan Covers = project - tentatively called Random 3. He can't do this if no-one sends = him material to put on it! I've sent 2 tracks I'd done already with Andy McHaffie (Films and We Are = So Fragile), but when I last heard from him, Klaus hadn't received any = others! So come on guys and gals - if you're in the slightest way = musically inclined, why not do a version of a Numan song and send it on = to Klaus! More details of his project (including his address for = submissions) can be found at:- http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/3010=20 Go on, give it a go - you know you want to really! :-) Phil Marsh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:42:10 +1100 From: Martin Purvis Subject: Reply to Nick Fox's message in Digest #382 To: "joey@lindstrom.com" re Nick's reply to Paddy ----------------------------------- >> And "Alien Cure"? A filler?? This has got that catchy guitar >> hook, and it moves! >Yeah like snot dripping off a stick Hmmmm. I just tested this out. The snot hardly moved at all, and its very slight motion could hardly be described as 'dripping'. My snot must be of a different consistency to yours, as I can see no resemblence between its movement and the fluid sound of "An Alien Cure". I assume the extreme runniness of your snot is caused by the cold weather over there in Norway. re Nick's reply to Alyssa ----------------------------------- >So next you are going to tell me that Garys recent daily mirror >revelations that he's slept with more than 500 women wasn't >another futile attempt to blag some more much needed publicity I don't know about it generating much publicity, but it might be a good way to help sales of the album. After all, if they all bought a copy that would be over 10% of the total sales of Exile, if NuZone's figures are correct. I for one am disappointed that Gary didn't shag at least 100,000 women, as his record sales would be phenomenal if that were the case (except he probably wouldn't have had time to record the album in the first place). Cheers, Martin Purvis ------------------------------------------------------------ "I'm in Outland, I'll take the piss out of anything" http://www.hutch.com.au/~purvism/outland.html Email : purvism@hutch.com.au ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:23:59 -0000 From: Phil Marsh Subject: Response to a couple of postings To: "joey@lindstrom.com" Hi all Just a few selected responses from the last Digest:- >From Luc:- >And someone (Matthew?) said Gary should drop Cars and AFE from the >setlist. I agree partially. Cars was dropped for a couple of tours, but >somehow I was pleased it came back. But AFE can NEVER be dropped. It's >the Numan Anthem! It's THE song that keeps us all together. URGH! :-) Apart from a brief period when it first came out all those = years ago, AFE has always been one of my least favourites...to be = honest, I'd rather listen to You Walk In My Soul than AFE, which is = saying something! :-(=20 During gigs, AFE is always the one where I nip off to the loo. = Interesting that when Gary played his "US only" tour in 1982, that he = dropped it from the set altogether. >Interesting guest at the venue was John FOXX and Louis GORDON, whom I >met later in the bar of Gary's hotel for a chat. I met them on the 1st floor balcony at the venue and had a brief chat. = Both really nice people I thought. >Also heard the rumor (even more than a rumor) from Peter Gilbert and >Gary that he will do a tour in Germany and... BELGIUM. My wife spoke to Pete about that as well - she said something like = "can't wait for next year" and Pete said "he's not touring here next = year, he's touring Europe instead". This seems to be backed up by the latest news on NuWorld. >From Derek (on Exile) >It's good but not great. Well ahead of M&S, Outland etc. but not as = >good as Sacrifice and some of his early albums. Call me a heretic if = you so wish :-) After my comment above about AFE, I reckon you should move up and make = room for me on the heretics bench...:-) >I don't get the impression this albums songs are as well crafted as = those on Sacrifice. =20 I got the impression he listened to the criticism of the "samey" drum = loops from Sacrifice, and spent a lot of time improving the drum tracks = - they are a progression from Sacrifice. Some of the vocals sound as if = they could have been done a little better, but the "sound" on the songs = is quite impressive - the production, as you say is better than the last = album. Exile sounds better still on headphones - a big difference to = listening on speakers (no, I don't mean it sounds crap over speakers!) >The piano and acoustic guitar in Prophecy and Exile are refreshing = additions to a very >mechanical album. Well, "that" piano was all over Sacrifice as well, so it sounded a = little samey to me. The acoustic guitar was a really nice touch. Added = another "edge" for me, especially on the track Exile. >I would like to hear real drums and a bass to add depth and to break up = those rhythms. =20 Maybe Eagle will have words on that score - I know the drum loops give = the "relentless" percussive effect he was after on Exile, but I'd love = to hear him write songs with real drums and a bass player. >A human element might add interest to the arrangements. =20 Agreed! >Many songs start out with some random keyboard noodlings =20 Well, his live arrangements seem to have been peppered with "noodly" = intros for the last few years - 30 seconds (or longer) of noodles, then = "that" drum pattern...boom, CRACK! boom, boom, CRACK! Argh! >Lyrically this is Gary's most cohesive album yet, but might it be too=20 >repetitive? I trust the next album will have different and more = >varied subject matter.=20 If there's one criticism (all right, another criticism!) of Exile - to a = non believer it must sound very "samey". Not just the words, but the = sound as well. Lyrically, I was quite impressed with some of the imagery = - and at least he didn't sing " I don't like devils, I don't like = angels"! :-) >From Nick Fox Nothing here - sorry, whenever I read anything from Nick I just get a = mental image of someone prodding trying to get a reaction. Sorry, = Nick...did you say something? :-) >From Micromuzak@aol.com >First off, I am sorry if my comments two issues ago disturbed any of = you (I know Andy McHaffie was a bit miffed). >By reading my review of it, as a musician, I said that the >better half of Exile, MUSICALLY, was boring, simplistic and bland . =20 Well...I've also kicked around a bit as a musician (in a modest way), = and I think I know what you meant when you said "as a musician...review = differently...blah blah". I listen to stuff differently as a consequence = of doing a few musical bits and bobs - I quite often know when drum = fills and choruses appear without hearing a track through, for example, = or how a verse progresses (if its a pretty unimaginative track). I'm not = in a position to give a more informed opinion than anyone else, just a = slightly different viewpoint, which I guess is what you were trying to = say! :-) I understood Gary was after a very "anthemic" quality to the album; that = relentless beat, big chords, wall of sound production, etc. Whether it = works on that level I guess is a matter of taste - it works for me, = though. Perhaps it is a little simplistic...but maybe that was what he = was after? After all, not all his albums have been so simple in = structure. >Wish I could have caught the live shows. Perhaps Gary and Eagle will = make to the States! Looks like you won't have to wait too long on this score! Gawd, I don't write very often, but when I do I don't half go on...! Bye for now Phil Phil Marsh Information Officer Direct Line 0171 692 3331 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:28 -0700 (MST) From: "Stephen.Austra-beck" Subject: Sometimes you people are too defensive! To: "joey@lindstrom.com" All: In reading this week's Digest, I must address Stephen Catton's comments about another readers review of 'Exile', and the implied biased pre-qualification as a musician. I'm not addressing Stephen's comments in particular, but wish to make this statement. I love music, it's my drug. I'm not a musician, but I'm always interested in what musicians perspectives are as they no doubt are different from my own and based less on entertainment value then I would judge. I laugh sometimes how people react, often to interpreted insinuations that likely may not even have been intended. But alas, this is a free forum and for that I appreciate the ability to respond with my perspective. I envy Clea's mother being into Numan. My mother thinks he's a freak. The Berserker period scarred her. When I was young, though, I always got to listen to it in the car. I remember listening to 'The Pleasure Principle' and 'Telekon', but as the years progressed, and I got older, she like him less and less. She thought he was a bad influence, and was 'alien'. Hope everyone's having a good week. Stephen Austra-Beck // ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************