Gary Numan Digest Thu, 29 Jan 98 Volume 1 : Issue 403 Today's Topics: "Gary Numan: The Mix" from Cleopatra A Few Words About The Labour Party all mp3 files 'roxy' online now! a tad unnecessary Back Catalogue carolyns lips Does anyone know if this still exists? Dominion Day Video EUROPEAN TOUR European Tour dates everyday... For sale Board. Gary Numan Digest V1 #402 (2 msgs) Get a life John Orork John Orork KW fans take over the Numan list! Let me introduce myself... Me again Numan Convention NUMAN IN BELGIUM OLD FRIEND/FAN. only a downtwat Outland Found Personal attacks Reply to John Orork THAT dummer @ Year of the Child Tik and Tok unnecessary to say the least Valarian Where are Tik & Tok ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:50:31 -0700 From: Joey Lindstrom Subject: "Gary Numan: The Mix" from Cleopatra To: numan@cs.uwp.edu As reported originally on "Are 'Friends' Electric?", we're going to be treated to "Gary Numan: The Mix" from Cleopatra Records in April. Furthermore, the track listing sure looks a WHOLE lot like 1996's best-forgotten "Techno Army Featuring Gary Numan" from When! Records, a division of Castle Communications, the same people now behind Eagle Records. Here's the story: There *IS* a connection - thankfully, it's not QUITE as bad as originally feared. They're not simply going to repackage "Techno Army" and foist it on an unsuspecting public. Thank God. The good folks at Cleopatra agree: Techno Army was dreadful. But they also agree that the original concept behind it was a good one. So what's being done is this: 1) Gary's original vocals for these tracks are going to be retained. 2) The music will be remade by contributing artists from the Cleopatra lineup, including LEATHERSTRIP, INFORMATION SOCIETY, and SPAHN RANCH. Emphasize this: there will be no repeat no original Techno Army tracks on this album. Which, to my way of thinking, makes it INSTANTLY more attractive. Hell, they coulda just laid down the vocals with no music at all, and it woulda been more saleable. :-) And, as we all know, "Exile" comes out in the US on February 10th. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:48:32 -0700 From: Joey Lindstrom Subject: A Few Words About The Labour Party To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) At 01:00 AM 98/01/25 CST, Jamesy999@aol.com wrote: > Hi Gang !!! > I've been getting the Numan Digest for a few weeks now....and >it's >brilliant!!!!! Some of the trivia stuff on here is excellent (film samples >etc) and now for my own couple of trivia bits....On the "White Noise" live >album after AFE on side 4 >and after the chants of Gary Numan, Someone says "er hello, I would just like >to say something about the Labour Party" (it's there honest just turn up the >vol and listen" >so your starter for 10 is .....who is it?????? On "Warriors"~ My Centurian~ >What's that banter about??? any ideas.. and lastly what's happened to Tik and >Tok...you occasionally see Tikky on TV where are they now ????? > Any Numan chit chat e~mails gladly accepted by this lone Numanoid!!!! This information is THIRD HAND - I missed my opportunity to confirm it. While in England for the Premier Tour, Matthew Holbrook mentioned to me that the man behind that voice is none other than Pete Steer (of the band Shockwork). I did meet Pete a few times but always managed to forget to ask him about it - I can definitely say, though, that his voice DOES sound like that mysterious "Labour Party" guy. In fact, I missed an opportunity to meet Pete about two weeks prior to our first actual meeting. Seems that Pete drives trains for British Rail. One day, about a week into my vacation, I took a train trip from Stoke-On-Trent to London. We pulled into Euston Station and I jumped off, headed up the ramp, and Pete noticed me - I guess Matthew had forewarned him about the strange Calgary Flames shirt I'd be wearing (and it woulda been hard to miss with the words "GARY NUMAN 96" emblazened across the back). He apparently tried calling after me but I guess I didn't hear him. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:14:15 +0100 From: "joeri" Subject: all mp3 files 'roxy' online now! To: "Gary Numan" All "Live At The Roxy" MP-files are online now! http://home.planetinternet.be/~joeri/prophecy.html Normally I haven't got much hard-disk space on my provider, but they gave permission to make the files available for one month. After that I must erase them, ... Thanks to *Joey Lindstrom* of the World Wide Webb, you can download all files on his site too, for a much longer time!(thanks again for your help) http://www.interocitor.net/worldwidewebb/ I received a tape (thank you very much *Nick Biggar*)recorded from Radio1 with recordings of the Warriors tour. If enough people are interested I'll convert the songs into mp3 format and make them available on "Prophecy". (The sound quality is good and in stereo). Mr Steve Webbon, please release them too (if possible), all songs are really great! Track Listening is: Remind me to smile Metal Down in the park This is my house The iceman comes Films Cars We take mystery to bed I die you die Me I disconnect from you Love needs no disguise Are 'friends' electric? I was told the bass player was Joe Hubbard and all arrangements are great. (Where's the time Gary was using analog synths and a real bass player.) It's a shame there are no "I assassin" songs played live anymore. White Boys and Hero's ..... Superb!!! Cheers, Joeri Peeters Belgium joeri@planetinternet.be ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:22:21 -0000 From: "JASON J SMITH" Subject: a tad unnecessary To: as for john's 'witty' and 'perceptive' response to my digest contribution, i feel compelled to answer my charges from this horrible and unpleasant little man. firstly, your 'unnecessary bird's nest' comment, which i can only assume refers to my allegedly unnecessary hair transplant - as mentioned in UK press - is completely unfounded. i do not have a hair transplant - although if i had, it would be absolutely nothing to do with you and it certainly would not reflect the validity of my numan views. this also leads onto your implying that i buy the same brand of sausages etc as Gary. another myth i'm afraid, created by a joking comment from a UK Newspaper. however, i do know many fans who take their admiration to obsessive lengths, including myself, indeed, gary is synonomous with a fanatical lookalike following of 'numanoids' - although you may consider this 'sad', it is a good part of the reason why gary is still around today - a good solid fan base who will support and identify with him whatever turn his career may take. it is clear to me that you either don't understand the reasons for gary's direction or you don't want to. whatever your reasons for your personal and frankly offensive comments, i think they were more than a tad unnecessary and you should perhaps mind your own business. if you don't like machine and soul or outland - great - that's up to you. personally i like everything that gary has done to a lesser or greater degree. i though that's what is was to be a fan, but i stand corrected. i should have 'no respect' for his production (man) - are you a producer, or do you know enough about it to criticise? - or should rub my chin and gush forth with a tidal wave of abuse for a period of fine material that i grew up with. what makes you presume that i love machine and soul, apart from your mysterious address comments - do you actually think 'Only a Downstat' is a better song. i have never indicated that i prefer any era of gary's career. i would love to say to satisfy your soapboxing that i think it all went horribly wrong after 'Telekon' but i can't. sorry, i love it all and i somehow thought we all did. i know many, many gary numan fans and take it from me that the harsh line you take is very much unusual amongst them. however you are entitled to your opinion and i suggest that if you feel it necessary to use personal and superficial insults, none of which you know have any foundation, then please email me directly. this is a podium for views and discussion on gary numan - not an opportunity for you to take a cheap shot at me. stay out of my way Jason Smith PS - although you dislike Machine and Soul, and presumably don't listen to it, i still find it hard to see the connection between my email adress - moorlands@line.net - and machine and soul. what are you talking about you silly little man? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:51:42 -0000 From: "martin.oxenham@atstechnirent.co.uk" Subject: Back Catalogue To: "'numansandiegousa'" Does somebody fancy sending me a list of Numan releases(singles and = Albums).I've got most stuff but I'm not sure what I've missed.I've got = spare copies on Cd single of Numan and daddadang-Like a refugee x3 if = anyone's intrested for their trouble. Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:34:40 -0800 (PST) From: david three Subject: carolyns lips To: numan@cs.uwp.edu just watching peter cushing and Carolyn Munro remember the single(think i have it,12 vinyl) did she do a whole lp on numa? pump me up was cool(ident as gn minus vocals?) talk to me also how rare is her 12 in(also RSPCAcant remember) three tthree3@yahoo.com ps her lips do shine _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:24:20 EST From: WAR4PREZ Subject: Does anyone know if this still exists? To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello In my school we are performing a talent show of sorts and I have decided in partisipating. I have four ideas for my presentation. They all seem to be impersonations (Kraftwerk, Andy Coffman and Gary Numan) but I can only do one and am limited to three minutes. What I ask is does Numan still have that Telekon suit? I believe it was that black with some red stripes on it. If he still has it do you think that someone like myself could borrow it? If not it's not a big deal I can do other impersonations but I thought that the suit could go good with some smoke effects an lasers. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:16:34 -0000 From: "Paul Denman" Subject: Dominion Day Video To: Hello, I know this will sound very naive, but if we never try, we'll never know! What am I talking about? Getting the Dominion Day video on TV, that's what. On MTV Europe, there is a video request show where you can request videos via EMail. I propose that we all request Dominion Day to be played. Let's not make this sound like an organised event, just casually drop an EMail to: selectvideos@mtvne.com Over the next week or so requesting the video to be played. Who knows, we may just get them to play it! It's got to be worth a go. Anyone else know of any other sources we could have a go at? Cheers for now, Paul Denman paulden@pasport.press.net pauldenman@yahoo.com paul.denman@ukonline.co.uk http://web.ukonline.co.uk/Members/complex.d2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:30:15 +0100 From: DE VISSCHER Luc Subject: EUROPEAN TOUR To: "'numan@cs.uwp.edu'" Hi All, Just received an E-mail from the organization of a famous Brussels concert venue, that confirmed Gary will be here on March 27th, 1998 at 08.00 PM. Sometimes life can be great on a Monday... Warmest greetings, Luc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:41:01 -0800 From: Derek Langsford Subject: European Tour dates To: numan@cs.uwp.edu >From the Are "Friends" Electric? web site (thanks for keeping us up to date with news): January 22nd 1998 Proposed European Tour Dates Here is the proposed agenda for the European tour, its time to book that European Vacation..... Date City Venue 13th March Paris Le Divan Du Monde 14th March Day Off 15th March Day Off 16th March Copenhagen Pumpehuset 17th March Stockholm Klubben 18th March Day Off 19th March Berlin Kesselhaus 20th March Hamburg Grunspan 21st March Day Off 22nd March Cologne Luxor 23rd March Frankfurt Batschkapp 24th March Munich Incognito 25th March Day Off 26th March Utrecht Tivoli 27th March Brussels Ancienne Belgique Tour has a distinctly northern European look to it. Stefano can you make any of these? How long does it take to drive across Switzerland to Munich? Eagerly awaiting the US Dates, Derek ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek H. Langsford "Numanews" San Diego, California, USA The Gary Numan Digest email numan-request@cs.uwp.edu to subscribe -----------------------------------------------------------------------------wp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:32:55 EST From: Atlboy666 Subject: everyday... To: NUMAN@cs.uwp.edu (gary numan) hey there, in response to the sample, "everday i am feeling a little more optimistic.." its from the movie "exorcist 3" it is spoken by the devil. -ba sic J ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:00:43 -0000 From: "martin.oxenham@atstechnirent.co.uk" Subject: For sale Board. To: "'numansandiegousa'" While we are all gassing on the Numan front,we should have a"for Sale" = board where we can trade and swap recordings worldwide,benefiting us = all.I personally have got many duplicates which I wouldn't mind trading = or selling to enable me to get everything from the back catalogue. Maybe it's a **** idea,but it might just work!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:15:42 +0000 From: "dcoffey@bloomberg.com" Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #402 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:06:18 EST > From: dcoffey@bloomberg.net > Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #401 > To: numan@cs.uwp.edu > > Hi Gang !!! > I've been getting the Numan Digest for a few weeks now....= and > it's > brilliant!!!!! Some of the trivia stuff on here is excellent (film sampl= es > etc) and now for my own couple of trivia bits....On the "White Noise" l= ive > album after AFE on side 4 > and after the chants of Gary Numan, Someone says "er hello, I would just= like > to say something about the Labour Party" (it's there honest just turn = up the > vol and listen" > so your starter for 10 is .....who is it?????? On "Warriors"~ My Centuri= an~ > What's that banter about??? any ideas.. --- hi James actually i asked Gary about the above question about a year ago when they still had the 'digest asks gary'.... gary's longtime friend and engineer (whose name escapes me) had this running joke where in the studio they would try to say something really disgusting and shocking to each other but the question was originally posed as, 'if you had a million dollars what would you do..? and the comments kept getting more outrageous... i am pulling this from memory but it was something like that... hope this helps.. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 05:36:48 -0500 From: Matthew Roberts Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #402 To: Gary Numan In #402 "John" was extremely offensive about someone for no good reason. Strangely "John" shares the same e-mail tag as Austin but I'm sure that i= s just a coincidence. I doubt Austin would wish to be associated with "John's" idiotic trash. It seems strange that "John" is part of the Numan Digest when he holds so= many (5?) of Gary's albums in such contempt. He tells us that Gary doesn'= t like Machine & Soul. I seem to recall Gary criticizing Replicas & The Pleasure Principle years ago as "kids stuff" or something to that affect,= so I wouldn't attribute much meaning to his comments about Machine & Soul= =2E = Deriding that album has become very boring. It's OK to say that you don't= like it but it's just a little stupid to say "suicide was one of the few ways out". I won't try and defend the album, I'll only say that I think it's quite good. "John" thinks differently and assumes anyone who disagre= es must be wrong. I can live with that. "'Tis with our judgements as our watches, = None go just alike, yet each believes his own." What "John" really shouldn't do is make snide personal attacks on people.= Did it give you a thrill "John"? Did it release some of the frustration y= ou feel in everyday life? You told us much more about yourself than about anyone else in those few words. It's not a pretty picture. Matthew Roberts ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:36:13 -0500 From: "Troy L. Walters" Subject: Get a life John Orork To: Gary Numan Apparently there is a God and his name is John Orork. Who else could cast such judgment on so many -- without fear of recourse? I happen to consider myself an incredibly devoted Numan fan. But I worship no man. No human alive or dead deserves my worship. Especially mythological figures of old. I also happen to enjoy Machine and Soul... more so than Outland, actually. But I also enjoy Outland. Both albums are very much a part of Numan -- no one held a gun to his head (except perhaps Gary himself) to produce either album. Had it not been for M&S and Outland, neither Sacrifice nor Exile would be what they are. That is MY opinion, not fact. NO ONE could make that statement as fact, unless they have seen some alternate universe, where Machine & Soul and Outland never existed, but Sacrifice and Exile do. You a time-traveler John Orork? Many publicly criticize a great deal of what they do as well, but it doesn't make it bad. If a person's "so-called" fans attempt to humiliate that person (a service provider) over past work (as Numan fans have for a number of years) the person is bound to denounce the work to appease the fans (the customer). It's basic business sense. And who does John Orork think he is to step up and badger ANYONE about anything? I've never seen John Orork's name in the top ten, top 100 or top 1000; never heard it on the news -- did he win the nobel prize? Perhaps he was lead in the school play, or actually received an A on a single paper in school. Perhaps John Orork is just one of those people who shouts to anyone who will listen to his criticisms about others -- simple so someone will pay attention to him. There's a title for that, I think: NME reviewer! Get a life John Orork... judge, jury and crucifier... sorry but you are in no position to play even one of those roles -- let alone ALL of them. Nor am I, but I have always been one to step in and defend other's RIGHT to express their beliefs. Which, in case you are not aware, is NOT what you have done here. Rather, you have chosen to attempt to belittle Jason in a very public way for your own "small" reasons. Get a life, indeed, John Orork. I have expressed my belief that I think John Orork has committed the offense of flaming. An observation. A personal opinion. If he's willing to trash-talk someone who he claims to be a fan of, why wouldn't he outwardly attack anyone who does not hold the same opinion as he on any matter. So... To all others on the Digest, I apologize for this outburst, as well as John Orork's snide and rude comments to Jason. Stating an opinion and flaming someone are very different issues. And if John Orork can not differentiate between the two, perhaps the powers of the universe will converge on his computer and reduce it to a small, smoking pile of goo. Yes, my response is as infantile as John Orork's original message in many ways, and that is what I apologize for. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but attempts at public humiliation over someone's beliefs is just bad form. >From this point on, I shall filter out anything and everything John Orork has to say in this forum or any other. I could not ignore his outward hostility in this Digest -- maybe because it was the first message -- but I will refrain from giving John Orork the satisfaction of any form of "attention" in the future. That's why terrorists do what they do, isn't it? To bring attention to themselves and their "cause" they claim to represent? Heading straight for the Numanllinium... -- Troy L. Walters Indiana, USA tlwalter@accs.net http://www.accs.net/users/tlwalter -- Beware of the IDGAF Syndrome... © ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:59:41 GMT From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: John Orork To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Why does John have to let out all his negativity on the Digest? I thought that Jason Smith's contribution was an excellent read! Machine and Soul was Gary's preferred choice of direction at that point, and although personally I don't go for the eponymous track very much, other tracks - how about "Love Isolation"? - are quite good. Since the "Sacrifice" and "Exile" directions have come along, Gary now wonders about the "Outland" and "Machine and Soul" periods, and what he was doing, But if he is embarrassed about them, it is because he is so close to them, and many Numanoids seem to be the same -overreacting to various albums as the "worst in the world"! Nonsense! Go into any music shop, stand in front of the CD racks with your eyes closed, and buy 10 albums at random. You may be willing to give them all a chance, out of fairness, (even if you don't extend that charity to Numan records), but if you kept playing those ten albums again and again, you would soon realise that there is immense competition to be the worst album.... And what's all this about Jason being 1% of the people who buy Gary's music? "Outland" sold 30,000 copies. There are 3,000 people in the Fan Club, never mind the people who keep discovering the Digest week after week.... John, chill out!! Paddy Vickers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:23:49 +0000 From: richard.poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: KW fans take over the Numan list! To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Message is sent with MIME. Attachments are base64 encoded --TFS-with-MIME-and-DIME Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I dunno first Craig Land, then Jules Siefert, any other KW listies out ther= e? --TFS-with-MIME-and-DIME Content-Type: text/rtf; name="MSGCC.RTF" Content-transfer-encoding: base64 e1xydGYxXGFuc2kgXGRlZmYwXGRlZmxhbmcxMDI0e1xmb250dGJse1xmMFxm cm9tYW4gVG1zIFJtbjt9e1xmMVxmcm9tYW4gU3ltYm9sO317XGYyXGZzd2lz cyBIZWx2O319DQp7XGNvbG9ydGJsO1xyZWQwXGdyZWVuMFxibHVlMTI3O1xy ZWQwXGdyZWVuMTI3XGJsdWUwO1xyZWQwXGdyZWVuMTI3XGJsdWUxMjc7XHJl ZDEyN1xncmVlbjBcYmx1ZTA7DQpccmVkMTI3XGdyZWVuMFxibHVlMTI3O1xy ZWQxMjdcZ3JlZW4xMjdcYmx1ZTA7XHJlZDEyN1xncmVlbjEyN1xibHVlMTI3 OztccmVkMFxncmVlbjBcYmx1ZTI1NTsNClxyZWQwXGdyZWVuMjU1XGJsdWUw O1xyZWQwXGdyZWVuMjU1XGJsdWUyNTU7XHJlZDI1NVxncmVlbjBcYmx1ZTA7 XHJlZDI1NVxncmVlbjBcYmx1ZTI1NTsNClxyZWQyNTVcZ3JlZW4yNTVcYmx1 ZTA7XHJlZDI1NVxncmVlbjI1NVxibHVlMjU1O31ccGFwZXJ3MTIyNDBccGFw ZXJoMTU4NDBcbWFyZ2wxODAwXG1hcmdyMTgwMFxtYXJndDE0NDBcbWFyZ2Ix NDQwDQpcZ3V0dGVyMCBcZGVmZm9ybWF0XHNlY3RkIFxwYXJkXHBsYWluIHtc cGxhaW4gXGYwIFxjYjcgXGNmMCBcJzBcJzBcJzBcJzBubm8gZmlyc3QgQ3Jh aWcgTGFuZCwgdGhlbiBKdWxlcyBTaWVmZXJ0LCBhbnkgb3RoZXIgS1cgbGlz dGllcyBvdXQgdGhlcmU/XApccGFyIH19ZQ== --TFS-with-MIME-and-DIME-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:07:51 EST From: JM8292 Subject: Let me introduce myself... To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I am Michael Knapp from Ohio (originally from Florida). I got interested in Gary Numan back in the eighties (I don't remember exactly what year) when I first heard "Cars" (around the time it was released, I think), I totally fell in love with the song. I bought The Pleasure Principle and wore the grooves out. Then bought Replicas and had to get a new needle for my record player. When I got to Living Ornaments and the news that he was going to stop doing music, well, I wasn't too happy about that, but realized that it was his choice. I am a drummer and whenever no one was home, I used to turn up the Numan tunes and jam. I was (and still am) intrigued by Gary's music, how it was so different, so new(nu), and so much more creative than anything I had ever heard. I liked Gary's quote that was on The Pleasure Principle album which said, "Thanks to the band that turned basics into songs." How interesting. It was similar to what I believed that "less is more." Well, after Living Ornaments I got "saved" and with the advice of a friend, I gave my records away (now I could kick myself!). This "born again" phase of my life (which now I realize the mythological symbolism of all the things that I used to believe) was something I guess I had to go through and now I've learned to question more and read more (not just the bible, as some people are brainwashed to do). I have recently purchased Exile and I love it! It is interesting how the storyline and basic appeal of the new CD is closely related to my own findings on religion in general (and personally). Thank you for reading. This is the first mailing list that I've subscribed to. I'm anticipating the coming days of reading new(nu) information. Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:32:36 -0000 From: Stephen Catton Subject: Me again To: "'numan@cs.uwp.edu'" Hello all I am moved to write in response to the bile laden letter from John Orork = (or were you trying to be funny??). I have to say that I find your petty = little snipes at Jason Smith quite offensive. Please keep your remarks = to yourself or send them privately. There are many other albums by thousands of other artists that can be = put up for the worst album of the world award other than Machine and = Soul . After reading your message I re-visited the recording and while I = do not like every track I do like the tracks Machine and Soul, I Wonder = and Love Isolation. I do agree with you that he has made many mistakes in the past but then = haven't we all. I don't agree that we have the right to specify what we = want out of him just because we buy his products. He produces what he = wants and if we like it we buy it!! That is all there is to it. There = will always be people who will latch on and collect every thing they can = and I say good luck to them. I am not one of them and they do me no = harm. As I understand it from listening to his fan club update line it was = listening to other people that was the cause of his music changing = direction. It was with Sacrifice that his music came back on track from = me and here he didn't listen to anyone. I for one am very happy with how = Sacrifice and Exile have turned out. I have recorded Exile and Sacrifice back to back on a tape for the car = and I still am not tired of hearing them despite listening to it most = days. By the way I am coming over to Florida to stay near Orlando in late = October and would like to meet any Numonoids if any of you live near. = Please contact me if you are interested. Kind regards to all Stephen www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~scat. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:45:13 GMT From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Numan Convention To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Yes, Jill, I am going. (God willing!) Paddy Vickers, Southam, Warks. P.S. Did everybody notice that Southam is mentioned BY NAME in the autobiography?? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:19:19 -0600 From: datta@cs.uwp.edu (David Datta) Subject: NUMAN IN BELGIUM To: numan From: Kurt Overbergh Subject: NUMAN GIG Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:17:39 +0100 Anyhow here's all the exact info : * GARY NUMAN - live * ANCIENNE BELGIQUE * Friday 27th March 1998 * Doors : 8 PM * main hall /standing * tickets : 650 Bfr. (presales) / 730 Bfr (box office) * Info & reservation : 32/2/548.24.24 or http://www.abconcerts.be. Thanx a lot and hope to hear from you soon Kurt (kurt.overbergh@abconcerts.be) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:23:55 -0000 From: "CHRIS BARNES" Subject: OLD FRIEND/FAN. To: Anyone know of a person who was called Sally Hughes(may be married = now)Lived in the U.K. She was a major Numan fan about 10 to 12 years = ago,and probably still is,any info appreciated,I just wondered what = happened to her.She went to Salford Tech in Manchester. CHRIS BARNES ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:14:42 -0000 From: "JASON J SMITH" Subject: only a downtwat To: re john's slagging of me hello john, you horrible and unpleasant little man. if you want to hurl malicious, unfounded and offensive insults of a superficial nature, please email directly rather than take up valuable space on the numan digest which is intended as a podium for numan views. incidentally, i do not have an unnecessary hair transplant, which is what i assume your pathetic and peurile comment referred to, and even if i did it would have absolutely nothing at all to do with you. and it would have even less effect on the validity of my views and opinions. this came from some UK press articles which also jokingly inferred i wore the same aftershave and ate the same sausages. sorry to disappoint you, my razor witted friend, but your comments were completely unfounded. next time you want to give someone a slagging, try getting your facts right first. saying 'i gather...' simply isn't good enough. to my knowledge, you have never met me, don't know me and are therefore talking out of your arse. sorry if it hurts to know that not everyone is of the same opinion as you but that's the way it is. yours is an almost singular view in rubbishing so much of gary's career so vehemently and as for gary having made 'so many career mistakes' what makes you qualified to say so, and ditto having 'little respect' for his production. have you ever been there or done it? somehow i doubt it, more of a backseat driver i suspect, and you know how annoying that can be. machine and soul does not gel well. i have no particular love for it more than any other gary numan album. i do think it contains some excellent songs, superb crystal clear production and tight playing. however, i admit it's overall direction was too commercial for the tastes of numan fans but it was successful in being more accessible to non-numan listeners than any previous or subsequent work. it sold reasonably well, charted well and it's original intention was to open doors that maybe hadn't been tried before. it earned good reviews from many sources, writers exclaiming surprise at it's more commercial and current sound. that album, and it's two studio predecessors were an attempt to try something new, that would perhaps get gary back in the public eye and although it didn't work, it was an avenue that had to be explored. i am saddened that you cannot see that, and worse still that you do not understand the real reason behind gary's disassociation from it. his new pseudo goth industrial direction is infinitely more appealing as is gary's new found enthusiasm. however, gary very much adopted the same stance in 88 with 'metal rhythm' saying 'this is where i should have been going all along' sort of thing. if you find it embarrassing to be a numan fan, you know what you should do - i certainly have a few suggestions. i have never been embarrassed, always proud and frankly i find your whole attitude to be offensive and lacking in any supporting knowledge. i have the knowledge to back up my views and opinions, do you? your attempt to humiliate me with the odd cheap shot here and there sickened me. if you must be so malicious and personal, think for a moment about all the slagging that gary has taken from ill-informed critics over the years, and then consider how you have taken the same path as those hacks. i can honestly say that i regret ever writing to the digest in the first place and i hope you are proud of yourself. your bigoted rubbishing of my views i can live with, personal insults are unacceptable. get your facts right. gary has far more than 'hundreds of fans' buying every release and compilation. and the day gary listens to advice from someone as narrow minded and eager to criticise as you is the day gary numan stops being gary numan in my eyes. you are a fan and nothing more, although i am reluctant to even call you that, and you will be pleased to know that you succeeded in hurting me. if that is what you wanted, you got it. congratulations. you know nothing about me but decided to use the few things you had heard to support your vague and petty arguments. i am a true gary numan fan and i am sorry if that offends you, but that is not my fault. however, you deliberately went out to offend me and that is unforgiveable. stay out of my way jason ps - what's the connection between my address and 'machine and soul'? what are you trying to say? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:34:11 -0800 From: Michael Grulbs Subject: Outland Found To: Gary Numan Got a question for you guy's. Has anyone else out there noticed but me on Soul Protection that sound of a phone's busy signal with a rearanged rythem to sound like a heartbeat? And continues out all through the song? As well as the synth sound's in the background that sound like were takin from the song Cars. 1 more thing. The horn's through out that album are the strangest things I think I've ever heard. I mean that in a good way. And that guitar!! lemme know ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:21:50 +0000 From: Gary Pennill Subject: Personal attacks To: Numan@cs.uwp.edu "Jason – thank you for your comments about the various film samples. Yours and the other posts in that Digest probably cleared up much of the confusion for some people. However, I didn’t really welcome you even mentioning Machine and Soul. That is the worst track in the history of music – probably from one of the worst albums ever made. Most of the time it’s been somewhat embarrassing being a Numan fan. But after the release of Machine and Soul, suicide was one of the few ways out. But I guess you must love it to death – if your email address is anything to go by. You have my every sympathy. Gary publicly criticises that era – and quite rightly so. Talk of Outland also sends me to sleep because I can only really place that alongside Machine and Soul. Never were two more non-Numan albums made. They are just an embarrassment. Still, I’m glad you like NIN – although I think their recent work rises very much above Gary’s Fury to Machine and Soul output. How can you say Gary should produce their work? I have little respect for his production – although I admit that Exile does show promise in this department. But I doubt Eagle will allow him to produce his next album. And never in a million years would Numan produce NIN. You state that by having a 20 year career, Gary must be doing something right. I think his career has lasted this long simply because of the few hundred fans who buy every release and compilation. You yourself are probably responsible for 1% of his income. I gather you purchase everything – even down to his preferred brand of aftershave and sausages. It’s a sad life living yours exactly like your idol. You only get one life and you choose to live it like someone else. Also, how can we accept the direction Gary chooses – he has made so many mistakes in his musical career. And I cannot accept your drum loop comments. I don’t think any of us would have criticised The Pleasure Principle in 1979 – surely that is a Top 10 album of all time. It walks all over most of the Numa Records era. We all pay for our Numan goods and so we have a right to specify what we want out of him. If Gary cares to listen, it could do some good. Thanks for your advice Jason, but I’d rather not take poor advice from someone with an unnecessary bird’s nest living on their head." So, John Orork now thinks that this digest is a good platform to spurt personal attacks on fellow fans who, in the spirit of the digest, are just expressing an opinion (and a light hearted one too) Well John Orork (or should it be John Dork), you are wrong. This digest is for opinions, not insults. and everybody is entitled to an opinion. Machine and Soul is not one of my favorite albums and was written on the back of my least favorite period of Numan music,but I was never embarrased to be a Numan fan, and no Numan fan ever was. Suicide was not the only way out. Stop buying the CDs and pretending to be a fan was an alternative. Machine and Soul and Outland are non-Numan albums !!. What is a Numan album ?? Gary Numan has had a 20 year career due to fans buying his music but how do you have a career otherwise ? Reading your message as it deteriated into a barrage of insults made me think that freedom of speech maybe is not all it,s cracked out to be. Why you choose to use this digest as a platform to suggest Jason Smith is obsessive and buys Numan sausages, only you will know. But to go one step further and start suggesting Jason has a sad life with a hairstyle that does not meet to your approval is in itself sad and suggest that you are a lonely person desperate for conversations and Emails. John, this is not a personal attack on yourself because to do so would only bring myself down to the level I am so much against. Everybody has a right to an opinion but not everybody has to hear it. Gary Pennill. P.S. The slight name change at the top of this message (Dork), is to be taken as a taste of your own medicine and not a persoal attack. I don't know you so how can I be personal? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:31:40 +1100 From: random Subject: Reply to John Orork To: "numan@cs.uwp.edu" In response to John Orork's response to Jason Smith's posting: >However, I didn't really welcome you even mentioning Machine and Soul. >That is the worst track in the history of music – probably from one of the worst albums ever made. >Most of the time it’s been somewhat embarrassing being a Numan fan. >But after the release of Machine and Soul, suicide was one of the few ways out. >But I guess you must love it to death – if your email address is anything to go by. >You have my every sympathy. The words "condescending bastard" came to mind as I read the above text. This is a prime example of the crap that has been a part of the digest since I subscribed two years ago, and that has been the reason for many people unsubscribing. People have their own musical tastes, and if they don't happen to coincide with yours then DON'T KNOCK THEM FOR IT! >Talk of Outland also sends me to sleep because I can only really place that alongside Machine and Soul. >Never were two more non-Numan albums made. >They are just an embarrassment. If you are so embarrassed being a fan (you have mentioned this twice) then perhaps you should do something about it yourself and not try to embarrass others on a public digest. >It’s a sad life living yours exactly like your idol. >You only get one life and you choose to live it like someone else. If someone chooses to live a certain way that you don't approve of, TOUGH! Get over it! >Also, how can we accept the direction Gary chooses – he has made so many mistakes in his musical career. Hmmm, you should REALLY consider dumping all of your Numan CDs in the trash and finding someone else to listen to. Or perhaps you think that you can tell Gary what to do with his career? >You state that by having a 20 year career, Gary must be doing something right. >I think his career has lasted this long simply because of the few hundred fans who buy every release and compilation. >You yourself are probably responsible for 1% of his income. Oh, i see. You DO think that. >Thanks for your advice Jason, but I’d rather not take poor advice from someone with an unnecessary bird's nest living on their head. At least you were consistent. You began and ended the post by being condescending. People are different, musical tastes are different. Deal with it rather than forcing us to read about it in the digest. Rapidly losing faith in human nature, Random ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:12:33 -0500 From: Brian Moloney Subject: THAT dummer @ Year of the Child To: Gary Numan >webbon@dircon.co.uk (Steve) To answer a couple of posts... The LO '79 photo was taken at Hammersmith by Peter Gilbert - the cameras were filming 'The Touring Principle'. It's certainly Ced...maybe it's the= lights, maybe his darkest secret was revealed and his wig fell off!! (OK,= let's not start any unfounded rumours here)< Sorry Steve, but as I said in digest 398 the picture on the inside rear = of LO79 was taken at a benifit gig that Numan headlined at the end = of 1979 called 'The Year Of The Child' concert at Wembley. = Gary sang Me! I Disconnect From You, Metal and Down In The Park. The concert was recorded by the BBC, and Metal/DITP were shown = on TV (I've got it on video) and all 3 songs were transmitted on Radio 1 = (which I've got on tape). The camera in the picture is a BBC TV camera. The only visual difference is that at Hammersmith Gary used a = conventional mike stand, whereas at Wembley he used a pivoted stand. = I've watched the video and it doesn't look like Ced OR Billy Currie! = I know this all makes me sound like a sad anorak, but I had 3 posters on = my bedroom wall as a teenager - one of Gary from the Touring Principle, = an almost identical poster of Gary at TYOTC (with pivoted stand) either side of a poster of Debbie Harry, in bed, half naked. = Nostalgia ain't what it used to be! Brian. = ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:39:07 +0000 (GMT) From: "P.G. Whalley" Subject: Tik and Tok To: numan@cs.uwp.edu In reply to Tony J, Tik and Tok split up shortly after releasing the Intolerance album. What exactly happened is a bit of a mystery, but it goes something like this. After many a year on (and not too much investment from) Survival Records, they were looking for a major deal, or at least a bigger label. On the back of Intolerance, they managed to wangle a deal with EMI through the back door - ie, none of the MD's of EMI were aware of the deal: it had been put together by TnT's contacts in the biz and a mildly interested A&R rep. Unfortunately, their manager at the time then sent a telegram to the EMI suits, congratulating them on signing Tik and Tok. Big mistake! The deal was promptly cancelled, and a few arses kicked, no doubt. Having taken such a long time to get the EMI deal, this setback was too much and they split up shortly afterwards. In reality, only Tik (the tall thin one) was into the music side of things, and he set up a band called Ikon, which was short-lived. However, he did release a cover of George Harrison's "My Guitar Gently Weeps" under the pseudonym of The Wang Bros. I can't provide any other info after this, perhaps someone else can take up the story? Keep the faith, Phil. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:18:51 -0000 From: "JASON J SMITH" Subject: unnecessary to say the least To: in answer to john ' downstat''s posting in the last digest, i feel compelled to answer my charges. but first, john, you horrible and unpleasant little man, this digest is a podium for our views and discussions on numan related topics - not for you take cheap shots at me with ill-researched personal insults of a superficial nature to say the least. if that's what you want to do, email me directly. firstly, to my knowledge you don't know me at all. you have made this clear by referring to my alleged unnecessary hair transplant. sorry to disappoint you but it's untrue i'm afraid, although even it was the case it would be absolutely nothing to do with you and would certainly not have any reflection on my numan views. i have the knowledge to back up my comments do you? the same goes for your reference to me buying the same sausages and aftershave as the man himself. another myth i'm afraid, which came from a joking comment from a UK newspaper. so you saying that you 'gather' that this is the case simply isn't good enough. if you see fit to be malicious then at least get your facts right. you apparently think it has been 'embarrassing' to be numan fan - what are you talking about? if you're embarrassed, why do it? as for me being sad, i choose to live my life exactly the way i like i.e nothing at all to do with you. gary numan is synonomous with obsessive lookalike fans and whether that's a good or bad thing, that fanatical fan base has certainly followed him loyally through thick and thin. 'machine and soul' was admittedly a or album - i have no great love for it particularly - but it is a ary numan album, and for that i love it. it certainly contains some great songs,the production is good but it somehow doesn't gel as well as it should, it's weakness was this combined with a far too polished commercial feel but the reasons behind that are well documented. however, it sold well, charted well and surely that means something. it was certainly more accessible for the general public than any other gary numan work and that was almost definately the reasoning behind the direction it ook. but as for the title track being the worst song of all time, please, come back when you're on the same planet... so you hate machine and soul and outland, and are probably not too keen on anything bar exile, sacrifice and the Beggars Banquet stuff - well that's great - it's up to you, and admittedly very fashionable in these pages - but it is not the accepted rule. we all have our favourites and least favourites but love them all a little bit. well true fans do anyway it is clear to me that you either don't understand the reasons behind gary's various changes of direction or you don't want to, preferring to rub your chin and pine for the good ol' days. you have 'little respect' for his production (man) - you are obviously well versed in the art of production, perhaps a producer yourself to be so qualified to comment. i stand corrected, but should i? why should you dictate to me what it should be to be numan fan? i have NEVER been embarrassed, always proud and frankly, i am offended by your pompous and malicious posting. i know many, many numan fans and i assure you that yours is a very rare point of view. one final point. what exactly is the connection between 'moorlands@lineone.net' and 'machine and soul'? - i'm keen to know! until you know what you are talking about, back off with the personal comments. rubbish my views with your bigoted opinion as much as you like, but keep the insults to yourself. have you got nothing better to do? i am almost sorry that i ever bothered posting my opinion to the digest and i hope you are proud that you can make someone feel like that. a very good friend of mine closed down his site, the best ever numan site, because of people like you. you said you wouldn't take advice from me, well as i recall wasn't offering it. when it comes to gary numan, i know what i am talking about because i am a fan (abbr. fanatic) - are you? ..and oh yeah, stay out of my way. jason smith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:58:25 +0000 From: Mark Owen Subject: Valarian To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Who was Valarian? from a numan addict (Dave Taylor not Mark Owen!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:24:47 -0000 From: "Gary Hough" Subject: Where are Tik & Tok To: In response to Jamey999 and where are Tik & Tok now? Tik got married and had children a few years ago and now concentrates on acting. He has appeared in many TV adverts and most recently co presenter on the Channel 4 food programme called "Feast". He wrote the song title as well as sung it. Tok I haven't seen for a good few years now the last time I met up with him he was doing film work on the production side (I think). I haven't a clue what he is doing now unfortunately. I used to run their fan club Tarty Sauce and will put together a web site based on the duo at some point in the future. I have a lot of stuff that would be great for fans to see. They were the best support act that Gary has ever had, and probably ever will. Gary H Operations Manager GHough@prestel.net www.prestel.co.uk Prestel On-Line - No 1 Internet Service Provider 1997 as voted by Internet Magazine ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************