Gary Numan Digest Sun, 1 Mar 98 Volume 1 : Issue 412 Today's Topics: 500 members and other stuff All right, Exile, then couple o' thoughts Dark City Dark City. Publicity? Dark thoughts (2 msgs) Down In The Park (2 msgs) Exile Gary Numan Digest V1 #410 German Tour Posters Laserdiscs Looking at the numbers Manson/Down In The Park Numan not In Dark City! Numan on Movie Soundtrack PC wimps Send Your Birthday Wishes To Gary we have a technical ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:53:02 +0100 From: DE VISSCHER Luc Subject: 500 members and other stuff To: "'numan@cs.uwp.edu'" Hi everyone, Got a bit of info on the last digest: * About the member all around the world, I was surprised to see:2 BE BelgiumSince I know at least 3 Belgians me included on the list.But off course "COM" can be anywhere in the world, and my E-mail address from Belgium ends with "com", so...? * The CD of Marilyn Manson mentioning Down in the park is called "Lunchbox" and is in my eyes worth investing. I like this cover, though it's very weird and heavy. * People that are interested in the Brussels concert can easily obtain the tickets with VISA at following address:http://abconcerts.beThey have an English explanation. Well, I might meet a few of you people out there in Brussels. If you want to have a chat, I'm wearing a black jacket with "BRIDGESTONE" (you know, the tires) mentioned on it on the back. Good Luck, Luc, Belgium PS, I have heard only 30 tickets were sold so far for Paris (including 10+ of our Belgian group). Can anyone confirm? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:36:53 +1100 From: "Bruce Mott" Subject: To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD42DD.20D3D0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Thank you for including me on you mail list, my name is Bruce Mott and I = have been a Gary Numan fan for as long as I can remember and have nearly = all of his albums and videos. I do not have some of his latest work as = it's not easy to get (if at all) down here in Australia. Since getting = on the net I have started to take an interest again now I have access to = news etc. I saw Gary in concert in 1983 and will never forget it and = never forget the fans. I look forward to keeping up with the news, if = you know of any fan clubs, groups etc in Oz, please let me know! Thanks Bruce. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD42DD.20D3D0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,   Thank you for including me on you = mail list, my=20 name is Bruce Mott and I have been a Gary Numan fan for as long as I can = remember and have nearly all of his albums and videos.  I do not = have some=20 of his latest work as it's not easy to get (if at all) down here in=20 Australia.  Since getting on the net I have started to take an = interest=20 again now I have access to news etc.  I saw Gary in concert in 1983 = and=20 will never forget it and never forget the fans.  I look forward to = keeping=20 up with the news, if you know of any fan clubs, groups etc in Oz, please = let me=20 know!   Thanks   Bruce. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD42DD.20D3D0C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:54:56 -0800 From: Pythoness Subject: All right, Exile, then To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Finally broke down and bought Exile (the US version) today. I'm pleased--I'm not thrilled, and I had hoped, but not expected, to be thrilled--but I like it a lot and can tell I'm going to like it more as time goes on. I think it's a notch or two above Sacrifice, and I'm still hoping to be thrilled again one of these days. My major not-thrill is that I find the album as a whole, like Sacrifice, seems a little flat--the songs are all of a piece and kind of slide by without evolving from beginning to end ("Exile" is an exception), there's enough similarity between different drum loops (again, in general) to be monotonous rather than themal--I miss his more textural stuff and more kickass percussion. If someone had this album on in their living room I probably wouldn't start up, listen hard, and then demand "Who *did* this?!" (if I didn't recognize it in a trice as being Numan). In short, while the album lopes, slithers, rolls, and lurks beautifully, I found that it didn't bite, kick, or claw quite enough for me, and it didn't once rear up and roar (though there's a pretty good snarl in "Dominion Day," and "Angel Wars" stood out). But, on the positive side: what a lovely dark, bitter album! (Ironic, yes, but I mean it.) And ye gods, I LOVE hearing his voice, which he is using to fabulous effect on Exile. He sounds **great.** Vocals and music get along splendidly. Never heard him sound better (and I have always adored Gary's voice). Great brooding menace (again, I *like* brooding menace, though I would have liked it even better had it been thrown a little more into relief by some contrast), and best of all, hard, meaningful, bitter words. It probably helps that I basically concur with what he's saying, but it sure is nice to hear some message coming across. "Dominion Day" is the most active and therefore, for me, the most grabbing song on Exile, yup, but I think I like "Exile" best, at least after this initial hearing. It really sits there and glares at you, and I love the vocals. It definitely wraps up the theme well and leaves you looking nervously over your shoulder. Reminds me of a tune my old band did that began with the line, "I see God in the window, and I think he's got a gun." Personally, I can do without the bonus DITP track, since it kind of sits there like a slice of Key lime in the same dish as an oyster pie--both good stuff, but a little mismatched. Long's I'm speaking personally, a friend of my new boyfriend works at the store where I bought the CD--I didn't know that, and had never met him, but he recognized me from the fact that I was buying a Numan CD. "Hey, you must be Ziggy!" Makes this little city feel like a damned village; though, thanks to this list, being one of three Numanoids in town no longer feels like some unsavory perversion. zg Ziggy's House O' Vermin zigi@teleport.com --------------------------- "Come, apple-sweet murmurer! Come, four-angled frame of harmony! Come Summer! Come Winter, from the mouths of harps and bags and pipes!" --The Dagda invoking his harp (four-angled?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:00:30 -0600 From: Scott Lucado Subject: couple o' thoughts To: numan@cs.uwp.edu For all you Numan/Dawn fans... The www.ebay.com auction site has the occasional Numan item show up (there was recently a Numan/Telekon "Chu-Bop" bubblegum album cover there--I didn't bid since I already have one, of course). Lately there have been a few of the Numan/Dawn CD's, with the whole Sacrifice contents. The going rate seems to be about $10. Also, where Gary's emotional development is concerned, I haven't read PTTA, but I have my own opinions on the subject. I am exactly six weeks younger than Gary, so I have kind of yardsticked my personal development with what his appears to be. I have to say, I've grown up a lot more than he has in the past twenty years. I'm far from perfect, but I got past my whining self-indulgence a while ago (well, most of it, anyway) and have come to the conclusion that other people may actually know a thing or two that I don't. Gary does not seem able to make this acknowledgement, at least publicly. I've found most of his recent work to be pretty flat; what passes for profundity really is rather trite and puerile. That's not terrible, since most pop music is puerile or worse, but let's not deceive ourselves into thinking that Gary Numan is one of the great intellectual influences of the 20th century. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:56:16 -0600 From: "Pam Francis" Subject: Dark City To: "Gary Numan" Okay....I'm confused....Just came from Dark City....No recognizable Numan stuff.....unless he helped on the mostly instrumental soundtrack.....Anybody know the deal here??? I could have missed it. I only own about 16 Numan CD's, including Exile and maybe 5 double CD's, so there could have been something.... I would feel cheated, but it was a pretty good flick, anyway. But, an explanation would be nice..... And, man, did they blow it NOT using the song "Dark" for this flick!!!!! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:49:38 EST From: numan@gw.kf9ug.ampr.org Subject: Dark City. Publicity? To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Where's the publicity. Why do the Numan fans have to wait until the credits of a new movie have to come out before we hear about it? Seems strange that I have to "just happen to see" the credits before I know about it. Seems like we should hear about it long before it really happens. What do you think? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- God Bless! Michael Day "The only things to fear in life are God and our own arrogance" - M.E. "Remind Me To Smile" Website: http://user.centralnet.net/kf9ug/music/gnuman/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:44:09 -0600 From: mark a hubbard Subject: Dark thoughts To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I saw this as well, and it looks like a pretty good conection. The Crow(another mivie by the same people involved) soundtrack did a lot of good for several artists, and this may prove to be a real nice boost for the US effort for Numan. Later, Mark A Hubbard >Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:48:50 -0800 >From: "Jim Benson" >Subject: Dark City >To: "Gary Numan" > >I saw a promo for the new movie Dark City and it lists Gary Numan as part of >the "Music By" list. Is this new stuff? Or are the digging stuff up? Was >this discussed before and I missed it? > >Jim Benson >bensonj@teleport.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:00:27 -0600 From: mark a hubbard Subject: Dark Thoughts To: numan@cs.uwp.edu >I saw this as well, and it looks like a pretty good conection. The >Crow(another movie by the same people involved) soundtrack did a lot of good >for several artists, and this may prove to be a real nice boost for the US >effort for Numan. > >Later, > >Mark A Hubbard > >>Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:48:50 -0800 >>From: "Jim Benson" >>Subject: Dark City >>To: "Gary Numan" >> >>I saw a promo for the new movie Dark City and it lists Gary Numan as part of >>the "Music By" list. Is this new stuff? Or are the digging stuff up? Was >>this discussed before and I missed it? >> >>Jim Benson >>bensonj@teleport.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:12:50 +0400 From: "b. koski" Subject: Down In The Park To: numan@cs.uwp.edu On 23 Feb 1998 at 13:35:11, Sam Warren wrote: > While looking through some CD singles yesterday, I happened across a > Marilyn Manson disc (can't remember which one) that included a song > called Down In The Park. Does anyone know if this is *the* Down In > The Park? You know, the one the Foo Fighters covered, the one where > the machmen meet the machines and play kill by numbers? If it is the > classic in question, has anyone heard it? Is it worth investing in? Yup, it's --THE-- DITP... It's on Manson's "Lunchbox" single, and I must say I enjoyed it. It was one of those songs that I would continually listen to on repeat as loud as I could get my boombox up to... :) If you like Manson and the CD isn't all that expensive, I'd suggest picking it up. The Lunchbox remixes suck IMO, but Down In the Park is great.. (Sam Goody called last night.. My copy of Exile by "Numan G." is in. :) ) b. koski -- http://www.izzy.net/~bkoski -- aim/aol: bkoski7 icq: 3332492 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:20:40 PST From: "William Wilson" Subject: Down in the park To: numan@cs.uwp.edu For Sam Warren, The "Down in the park" by Marylin Manson IS the one by Gary and,in my opinion,is better than the Foo Fighters version and is the BEST cover of any Numan track that I have heard. The other track you asked about,"Black Heart", is from the "Human" instrumental album and is barely 2mins long,another track on this CD(I forget which one)is also on "Human".basically,this is another Receiver records rip-off To sum up....BUY the Marylin Manson CD(possibly "Sweet dreams" the Eurithmics song) but avoid like the plague "Black Heart" Cheers!!! William Wilson (Glasgow "Crazie") MUSIC OF QUALITY HAS NO FEAR OF TIME (PETE WYLIE,WAH!) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:30:12 -0500 From: "Terrence Thoman" Subject: Exile To: Gary Numan Digest Some of you may have had your fill of Exile reviews, so please feel free to skip to the next post. I'll wait... Okay for the rest of you I recently picked up the US release of Exile. After the first dozen or so listenings I'll say that I wasn't blown away, but that I find myself listening repeatedly with growing enthusiasm. Favorite tracks at this point are Dark and Exile. My main criticism of Sacrifice had been what I considered the undesirable overuse of the drum loops that dominated the forefront of nearly every song of the album. I get it that this is Gary's chosen "style" at the moment and actually I quite like Sacrifice and have a tough time imagining the individual songs without them. Still I can't help but wonder how some of his classics would sound had he adopted this sound from the beginning...food for thought, I comprehend that people evolve over time. I've found that for myself, that the subtleties of Gary's music and the emotion they evoke is what keeps me listening. Perhaps that's why I like Dance so much. The rhythms and keyboards are intricately woven into a terrific multi-textured soundscape. All of this to say that I agree with Joey Lindstrom's previous assessment that the loops are much improved on Exile. They're not so in-your-face and allow the great key work to come to the front of the songs...still, there they are on every track. Like some others, I also find some of the lyrics disturbing, but I think that horse has already arrived at the glue factory and won't pontificate the point further. Overall, Exile is not the all the Gary Numan album I had hoped for, but it's still head and shoulders above the bile that currently spews forth in the form of electromagnetic radio impulses. When Hanson can get a Grammy nomination you know it's been a slow year. Ohh..sorry to blaspheme the Digest with even a mention of them. "Some things you can't forget... I make everyone pay." - Exile Terrence tthoman@paonline.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:43:42 GMT0BST From: "James Chapman" Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #410 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu > > There ya go, ya see? Endless compilations can have some use after all! > :-) Welcome aboard! > I don't agree with endless compilations. The Premier Hits was an exception because it's the only CD with all singles on it, undiluted with other songs. I have bought Archive 2 because it has 5 STRANGE CHARM songs on, ranging from an absolute masterpiece (MY BREATHING) to complete crap (THE NEED). Also several non-album tracks (IN A GLASS HOUSE, CONFESSION (Live), RUMOUR, WE NEED IT TIME TO DIE, HERE AM I) which were worth the price alone. However with the box set coming out, I have probably ripped myself off. > > The box set sounds like it will fill in a lot of gaps for you - but the > IRS stuff is all long deleted - 2nd hand is going to be your best bet. > In that case, anyone got any copies of Metal Rhythm, Skin Mechanic, Outland they could sell me? I'll pay for postage and packaging. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 04:18:37 -0500 From: Ingo Weinard Subject: German Tour Posters To: Gary Numan Hi there, as you all know Gary will be in Germany very soon. If anybody is interest= ed in getting a tour poster (very nice colored) please send 4 Pounds(paper money) sterling to my following adress. Please notice that i do not want = to win any money. I pay 2 Pounds for the poster and two pounds is for the stamps.I do this to make some fans happy -that's all =2E = Ingo Weinard Pr=E4lat van Ackenstr.1 50935 K=F6ln Germany See you then = ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 02:35:15 -0500 From: brezniakdavid@webtv.net (David Brezniak) Subject: Laserdiscs To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I too would like any info on 'possible' laserdiscs that were released. The only one I know of is 'Berserker' and 'The Unborn' is rumored to be re-released, but other than that, I have not seen any LD releases of Gary's, probably due to the high cost. :-( 'nuff for now..I've got brownies burnin' in the oven...;-) -Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:36:20 -0600 From: mark a hubbard Subject: Looking at the numbers To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I know that no company would make a strategic move, soley based on the numbers they would get from one source, like the Numan Digest. However, the numbers showing the locations of list members, do tend to confirm something that I have thought for years, and that is simply that there are many more Numan fans here in the states than people would have imagined. Thus, I am very hopeful, that any marketing and touring efforts that Eagle/Cleopatra may make here, would be taken to heart. Comon Eagle, fly from your nest and get something started would you!?!? I have not seen Numan live since the Metal Rhythm Tour, and I really am looking forward to his arrival here in the states. I know there are certainly many of us that will be driving great distances to see him. Well, Enough from me for now. Take care, Mark A Hubbard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:38:39 -0500 From: Matthew Roberts Subject: Manson/Down In The Park To: Gary Numan Sam, Marilyn Manson's Down In The Park is indeed a cover of Gary's. I imagine you saw it on the "Lunchbox" CD single. If you like the Foo Fighters version, you should like MM's. It's just a b= it nastier - brilliant! Now if only Gary could be as evil as Marilyn.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:38:04 EST From: Micromuzak Subject: Numan not In Dark City! To: Numan@cs.uwp.edu We all get our hopes up so high for Gary to do well,,, i think it's wonderful! I was pretty excited about "Dark" being in the film "Dark City." Turns out, when you buy the soundtrack, it notes right on there, Gary's song is not used in the movie. On the cover of the soundtrack it says "Music from and inspired by the movie." What a load, Gary wrote this song long before the movie came round. Other than Echo & the Bunnymen, there are a couple other songs then the actual score excerpts from the movie. No, don't think it's gonna be a big seller as a soundtrack goes, nothing like "The Crow" was. Oh well, my balloon deflated again. Guess there is hope for the next new album! BTW- where the hell is the US single/video? Why is Cleopatra and Gary doing this promo thing backwards, album out three-4 months prior to the single? I'm lost? Also, someone mentioned an issue back, "Dead Heaven" was getting club play, was that just one club? This wasn't being tracked by any trade magazine was it? Are they (the club(s)) playing it off the album or some form of a club single. Could you provide more info on that? And finally, I know I am long winded, to Nick in Staten Islnad, Blue Eyes is on the way. I didn't forget. I also included "White Light White Heat" & "Just A Bunch Of Stiffs" from 1978 Live at The Roxy for you (since I have been late in doing this). Cheers! Micromuzak ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:26:25 EST From: numan@gw.kf9ug.ampr.org Subject: Numan on Movie Soundtrack To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I was just watching an episode of Star Trek Voyager tonight and saw an advertisement for a new movie, Dark City, begin shown for it's first night today (Feb 27, 98). Something in the credits of the movie caught my eye. Luckily I had recorded the Star Trek Voyager episode and was able to rewind the tape and catch the specifics. Apparently, some of the music on Dark City is from Numan. Better yet, it is available on a soundtrack by TVT. The movie is from New Line Cinemas. At the end of the commercial for "Dark City", it lists music from Gary Numan. It didn't list what songs were featured, just that it featured music from Gary Numan and from Echo & The Bunnymen and Course of Empire. The commercial goes as... In a city on the edge of Darkness... "What is happening here? Why is everyone aslep?" On a night thant never ends... "Asleep. NOW!" "Who are they?!" John Murdock's search for a past. "They set you with a fake identity". Alude to a future... "You are a subject to a fair and square" Beyond all imagination "We all are". DARK CITY Coming Feb 27, 1998 to US theaters. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- God Bless! Michael Day "The only things to fear in life are God and our own arrogance" - M.E. "Remind Me To Smile" Website: http://user.centralnet.net/kf9ug/music/gnuman/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:58:29 -0600 (CST) From: Martin Subject: PC wimps To: numan@cs.uwp.edu >>Shit. Personally I'm envious. The meat in a jap girl sandwich? Me next! Pass the mayonnaise!!<< >Jap girl sandwich? Ugh... typical response. Sex is great but do we have to be so crude and degrading?< Typical politically-correct mealy-mouthed wimpery from the sense-of-humor deprived. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Of course all art is artificial. It only symbolizes the truth. But the sort of artificiality that comes from lack of skill, of professional flair, cannot be passed off as style; ...it's a sign of provincialism, of the wish to be noticed as an artist. What the audience deserve is respect, a sense of their own dignity. Don't go blowing in their faces; that's something even cats and dogs dislike." --Andrei Tarkovsky ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 05:39:30 -0700 From: "Joey Lindstrom" Subject: Send Your Birthday Wishes To Gary To: "Gary Numan" As many of you are no doubt aware, Gary Numan's 40th birthday is approaching fast - specifically, March 8th 1998. I have set up a mailbox to collect birthday wishes from everyone who would care to participate. Your wishes will be passed along to Gary verbatim, with one limitation: a maximum of four sentences, please. Anything longer will be truncated. I'm hoping for maximum participation from as many of you as we can get - let's help make Gary's 40th an extra special birthday. The address is: numan40@calgaryweb.net No need to put anything special in the subject line or anything - anything going to this address will land in a seperate "pile" and won't mix in with any other email. So.... get creative. You've got four sentences to say your say and let Gary know that the first 40 were only the beginning! :-) / From Joey Lindstrom joey@lindstrom.com / Interocitor Dot Net http://www.interocitor.net / / Rush Limbaugh's 14 Commandments Of The Religious Left / / NUMBER 6 / / Thou shalt not kill. With these exceptions: life forms under the / second trimester, and those opting for medically assisted suicides. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:51:39 -0000 From: "Jason Smith" Subject: we have a technical To: apologies to all those who have tried to email me. i seem to have a seriously annoying problem with my server. no matter how many times i change the 'reply' address, it keeps returning to the wrong one, hence the problem in receiving email, although some people do manage to get through (you know who you are - keep it coming!:)). hopefully the problem is now fixed, although this table is so crowded with people that i don't know. or something. best wishes to all jason ps my tribute band 'the numan principle' have just signed a deal with a big agent to take us around the uk and europe with the new official depeche mode tribute, so i hope to see as many of you around as possible. they are supposedly supporting us although numan-depeche fan ratio may dictate otherwise!!:) ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************