Gary Numan Digest           Thu, 26 Mar 98       Volume  1 : Issue 419  

Today's Topics:
                            <none> (2 msgs)
                          And so it begins....
                          Angry little people
                            A Show of Hands
                           Boston/New York...
                            Cologne Concert
                           Conan Conan Conan!
                             Conan O'Brien
                             Couple things
                              Dominion Day
                         Dream Killer - boring?
                        frankfurt/munich concert
                 Gary, God, Good Music, Gotta have it!!
                       Gary Numan ( Of Course.. )
                       Gary Numan Digest V1 #418
                               Greetings!
                           I'm still ranting
                       Internet Concert MP3 files
                                 Intro.
                     introduction of an old member
                            just checking in
                          Numan desktop theme?
                  One person's opinion of The Goth Bag
            Random 2..Is it Tosh, Rubbish or Doo-doo ??????
                R A N D O M  2  and a thought for Falco.
                       US Tour......ya beauty!!!
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:15:56 -0000
From: "Danny Burrell" <Danny.B@zildjan.demon.co.uk>
Subject: <none>
To: <numan@cs.uwp.edu>

Hi there,

I hope this is the correct address, if not..SORRY!!

I would like to say that I am really pleased for all the US fans out there
who are feeling as excited as we in the UK do when Gary tours. There are
many of you out there and deserve a visit at long last. We have been spoilt
for years here, so have a great time everyone. I hope to be at the San Fran
and LA gigs so may catch some of you there.

Secondly, can we lay off all the religious attacks. We, as 'individuals' 
have the right to think and do as we please. Therefore, some people may be
happy with Garys approach to Exile and some may not, BUT it is totally up
to the 'individual' what they think. We can't knock Gary for doing EXACTLY
what we all do in our everyday lives. 

As he said in Newman Numan 'If you get a number one hit in Britain, a
million people love you, but 59 million don't' !!

Lets just do what we do and respect each others 'Morals'. We are all
'Friends' in here.

Bye for now...............

Danny Boy Burrelli 

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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 06:51:12 +1100
From: "MAUREEN RUMBLE" <RAJAR@bigpond.com>
Subject: <none>
To: <numan@cs.uwp.edu>

WILL GARY EVER DO SYDNEY OR MELBOURNE AGAIN ?

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:00:31 -0800
From: obscure@blueneptune.com
Subject: And so it begins....
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

Hello out there...let's see, how can I do this without boring you all to
death?  Thanks to my friend Gregor Torrence I've been vicariously enjoying
the Numan news since it began.  He has kept me up-to-date, seeing that I
was a self-avowed "techno-peasant" until just this month. I've finally
caught up with the world and am now functionally wired.

Who am I?  well, these labels seem to fit at the moment - Lisa Yimm, 33,
bisexual, Buddhist, leatherdyke.  Currently employed as a Medical
Photographer - I take pictures of the insides of people's eyeballs for a
living. Formerly employed as an underpaid, underappreciated promosexual.

I am a casualty of the behemoth that is the Music Industry - 10 years as a
radio dj, 4 years as a club dj, and 4 years doing marketing and promotion
for independent record labels, as well as freelance photographer, writer,
and reviewer.  Rabid defender of Gary Numan even when laughed at.  In 1990,
I burned out on so much glitter and ash, and left my glamourous job in the
industry to return to photography full-time. I think I'll stop here -
otherwise I'm likely to rant and rave about the injustice and stupidity of
the music industry until forcibly gagged.

Gary's music is the cornerstone to the soundtrack of my youth.  It all
began with Saturday Night Live, February 1980...I have seen him in concert
twice - in San Francisco, November 1980 and October 1982.  I have (i
believe) a complete collection of Numan on vinyl/CD.  Including Gary I have
a fairly wide range of musical tastes....Gene Loves Jezebel, Red Lorry
Yellow Lorry, Sarah McLachlan, Tackhead, kd lang, Midge Ure, to name a few.

I play the turntable, the radio, and the CD player.

Finally, I want to say Thank You to Derek Langsford for being a light in
the darkness all these years...

Lisa
obscure@blueneptune.com

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:12:12 +0000
From: Ken <kbhb@gamewood.net>
Subject: Angry little people
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

Hello,

I have noticed there are quite a few angry, small people on this list.
Matthew Roberts is definately one...ah, the rest of you know who you are. I
personally could care less about his or any other atheists beliefs (or lack
of). I do care when I, or any other Christian, is called a name like
"stupid idiot". That was the whole point of my first letter. "Stop the name
calling", that should have been a clue.

I would like all atheists to know that I do not believe in them. I do not
believe they exist. Sighting that, I'd like you to read the following lines:

Atheists are simple humans with no souls. They are petty little beings with
no ability to dream. They are easily angered when their lack of beliefs are
challenged. They are outcasts. Atheists are narrow-minded, spiritually
challenged children that pretend to be intellectuals. They speak out in
anger and contemt. They hate and disguise their hates, angers, blasphemies
and obscenities as art. They demand that we tolerate as they tolerate nothing.

What you just read does not matter one way or another. It's just a
statement. It's not true because I do not believe atheists exist.

I have also noticed that nothing angers an atheist more than quoting
scripture. So...  
     "Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in
your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare
it unto you."- The Acts 13:41

I am not so arrogant that I believe there is nothing in the universe larger
than man. Do you want to believe in extraterrestrials? Try God.

I'm sure some hot-headed, angry atheist(s) will have a lot to say about
this one. They've done a lot of disecting the last. I don't mind. Say what
you will. The louder you are, the more you can be seen for what you really
are, angry little people.

For those of you that do believe:  "But thou, O man of God, flee these
things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience,
meekness."        -First Timothy 6:11

Believe what you may,
God loves you anyway,
Ken
                             

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:59:55 -0800
From: "D.G." <dlgeer@innercite.com>
Subject: A Show of Hands
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

How many digesters routinely pass by the "religous argument " posts ?
raise your hands ! Lets see if we can get a solid count . I know I could
care less !

Fred Geer

The takers get the honey , the givers sing the blues . " Too Rolling
Stoned " by Robin Trower .

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:20:52 -0500
From: brezniakdavid@webtv.net (David Brezniak)
Subject: Boston/New York...
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

Hey, 
I know a few of you are here from Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and a few
surrounding areas..
I am going to one Numan show in Boston if I have to walk there. (I'll
leave a week in advance, as it's a fifty mile walk)..
Anyone planning on seeing both Boston shows (Cambridge, Boston...same
thing) and the New York show?
I'd love to see all 3, but don't have the transportation..(I can get to
one, but my roomie is not a full numanoid 'YET' so he's only bringing me
to one..and I've contracted his as the official photographer for me, so
I'll have some great pics to have posted around the net...) blah blah..
Anyway, LETS GO, NEW ENGLANDERS and show Gary how much we have needed
and missed his presence here for the last 17 years (or is it 18?) :-)
Anyway, Let's get it planned!!! 
-Dave Brrrrrrezniak (it's cold here) 

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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:10:42 +0100
From: "joeri" <joeri@planetinternet.be>
Subject: Cologne Concert
To: "Gary Numan" <numan@cs.uwp.edu>

When I arrived in Cologne I passed the tourcoach at 18.00 and parked my car.
I walked to the venue and when I arrived Gary was signing albums of german
fans.
There was one man who asked Gary to sign over 30!!!! albums(12 inch too).
A man (african style) passed by, took a paper of the street and gary signed
it too.
I'm sure that man didn't know who Numan was.

When Gary and 'Big G' went into the venue I just followed and so I could see
and hear
the rehearsals of the band for 5 minutes until someone told me to
leave.(shit)
I hadn't eaten yet and went to MC donalds.
Big G came in to get some hamburgers for Mr Numan.
3 hamburgers (without cheese) a coke and french fries.
At 21.00 the show started. The place was bigger as the venue in Paris.
There were more Numanoids too, between 200 and 300.
The atmosphere was great, after Gary played 'Cars' the people really began
to become
NUcrazy. I amused myself very much, the show was the same as in Paris exept
for 'glass' and 'fragile'.
Again a synthesizer wouldn't play but nobody really noticed.
I was standing in front this time (what I normally don't do), but I had a
place where I could sit,
(on stage) because I was tired(when the sow started I stood up
ofcourse!)Wrong move to stand in front!
When Gary performed 'Down In  The Park' some girl became slightly mad and
ran towards
the stage acting crazy. She was shouting in my ear and tried to crawl on
stage.
Big G told her very kindly not to do this and she listened.
The PA was very LOUD and I mean LOOOUUUD.
Now 18 hours later I still have problems with my hearing,  you could really
feel the bass. It still amazes me how good Richard Beasly kan play and how
good it all sounds. Everything sounded more agressive as in Paris .Or was it
because
I could hear the guitar of Rob on his monitor.
Germany convinced me that they love Numan, that's for sure.
Oh yeah, Big G told me a European November tour later this year is VERY
likely.
(I never thought of going to do 4 Numanconcerts in two weeks time but it is
really worth it,
Numan is better than ever, he did some good thinking for the choice of his
songs,
a new style, ... Numan's BACK)

Now up to Utrecht and Brussels.

Joeri Peeters
Belgium

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:03:02 +0000
From: "analogkid@tritium.net" <analogkid@mail.interagp.com>
Subject: Conan Conan Conan!
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

Okay.  Cool it on the harassing the people who do not know who Conan 
is.  It is very possible that his program does not get 'exported' 
outside the US, like Tonight Show, etc.  

However, with Conan's presence on the web, they can still experience 
his hilarity.  The best site I have found (by a fan) is Grant's Conan 
page.  http://www.gcresearch.com/conan/

Here, you can see the 'bumpers' (the things they show when they 
go/come back from a commercial) and review lots of other tidbits 
including 'If they mated' and 'In the year 2000'.  

If they mated is a most hilarious bit, where Conan shows what the 
outcome (baby) would be if two hideous/outrageous people 'mated'.  

In the year 2000, is simply outrageous predictions that you have to 
experience.

There's also a lot of characters, from Pimpbot 5000 to the 
Masturbating Bear.    Conan has done a lot to promote bands that 
don't get played on all the other shows.  He was the first to have 
The Breeders on national TV, as well as a slew of other bands.  

Oh and not to mention something else everyone may not know about, 
but he regularly has Dweezil and Ahmet Zappa on (Frank Zappa's kids) 
and they are hilarious.  Truely the Tom and Dick Smothers of the 
future.

So check out Grant's site if you are curious about Conan.  It has 
several different links.  I wouldn't waste time with the official 
NBC site, it is pretty boring.

-Kev
analogkid@tritium.net
"Cookies are cookies, but NEWTONS are fruit and cake."

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:00:20 GMT
From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk
Subject: Conan O'Brien
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

Dear Jenny Beck,

Thank you for telling us over here who this COB is!

The man has a great taste in music.

Paddy Vickers

P.S. Thank you everyone who e-mailed me.   :o)


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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 02:27:45 -0600
From: jazztrancer@iquest.net
Subject: Couple things
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

Hello all,

        One common thing I seemed to have noticed amoungst this list, and it
is a little bit of a let down.

1) If someone here does not agree with someone, it becomes an attack, and
that is very sad.  Like the ongoing religion debate about "Exile"  I am 32
years old, and trust me, my belief systems have been pulled many directions
over the years. 
If you were to read the lyrics to "Exile", vs just listening to them, they
do sound more like an attack on religion, vs. "hmm, lets take a look at what
if."  
Also, for a person not to listen to Exile due to beliefs, is no worse than a
person saying, I will not listen to this group called "the How-to's of Rape"
just because I do not believe in rape.  I do not have to think that I will
be swayed by them if I listen, but I do not have a desire to listen to them
reval in their ways.

2) a few people have talked about the let down of the "idea" they held about
Numan after reading PTTA.  Well, keep in mind that you do not have to like a
person, to appretiate, and enjoy their art.  For years, Numan has taken on
the stance that his Fans did not make him (yet, without them buying his
albums, going to his shows, etc., he would not have had his money)and that
is good.  They may have made him famous, but the did not "make" him.  He is
who he chooses to be.  I must admit, that after years of listening to him, I
was let down in '88 when I flew over for the Metal Rhythm tour, and could
not meet him..  But I still liked him, and his music, but I in no way held
any ideas about his person. He is an artist, and as most artists, he is not
a run of the mill person.

3) is there anyone on this list living in or near Leamington Spa, Warks ???

4) who is planning on the Chicago show????  LMK, as I would like to meet as
many folks as possible.

Well, take care all!!!!

Sincerely,

Mark A Hubbard

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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:20:40 PST
From: "William Wilson" <flashheart@hotmail.com>
Subject: Dominion Day
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

HI! Folks,
         According to Tower records in Glasgow "Dominion Day" is not 
being released until April 6th and H.M.V don't even have a release day 
yet....AND STILL NO PROMOTION from Eagle.....What's going on,by the time 
"Dominion Day" is released here in the U.K. Exile will have been out 
almost 6 MONTHS....
        William Wilson
        (Glasgow Crazie)


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:00:05 GMT
From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk
Subject: Dream Killer - boring?
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

James Chapman, 

who has found Outland (don't all start again saying
that it's rubbish - it *does* have something to offer),
thinks that Dream Killer is boring. Yes, I suppose if
you have never had someone play the role of Dream
Killer in your life, it would mean nothing.

I used to play that record every night, in the early
hours, and sing it to myself at work, which is where
I met my Dream Killer.

Incidentally, the song is supposed to be about
Miles Copeland of I.R.S., although I don't suppose Gary
told Miles at the time.....

Paddy Vickers

Incidentally, although a firm believer in God, and a
very keen Bahai <http://www.bahai.org> I think, from
memory, I think Exile is EXCELLENT, especially Angel
Wars, which I sing at the top of my voice. There is
no point in getting emotionally involved in Gary's
wrestle with God - it's Gary's problem!!


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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:22:58 -0000
From: Markus Dietrich <na468@fen.baynet.de>
Subject: frankfurt/munich concert
To: "'Gary Numan - Digest'" <numan@cs.uwp.edu>

Hello Numanoids,

here a short review of the euro tour concert of Gary in Frankfurt and =
Munich:

>22.3, Batschkapp, Frankfurt<I arrived the hall with my girl friend and was shocked of the forsaken, =
unfriendly
place. (I think Gary must have had the same impression). A short time =
before
the opening approximately 50 Peoples waited at the entrance. I was =
afraid of
the imagination that this amount of fans could be all at that night. We =
went in
and in the next hour more and more people came in. I think at begin of =
the
gig there were 200 (max.250) peoples. Not bad I think! The hall (very
small in comparision to Hammersmith Lapatts Apollo or even Shephards
Bush Empire) takes max. 400 peoples.

I had a talk to some peoples and got more and more frustrated because of
the knowledge the had of Gary's last comeback. They had no idea of
random1/2, lager advert, biography, sacrifice, exile ... So I stopped =
trying
to inform everyone about what hat happend at least the last 3 years. I =
think
the people who were there was the minority of fans, that have had the =
luck
to got notice from the concert. The problem is the poor promotion and =
that
most of people are not into the internet. Information is sooo near, but =
still
so far. (same thing in munich)

I stand in front of the line (4th line, centered). Left and right of me =
two brilliant
fans, who pushed with me the athmosphere to a very good level. We =
shouted
what our throat could have powered. And it become a very brilliant event =
if=20
you face on the facts of peoples first Numan-Gig, all at the age arround =
30,
small arena and so on! I had the feeling that also Gary was impressed =
what
such a small amount of german fans could show him on emotions!
The gig was filmed by local regional TV, so maybe peoples around that
area who missed the event could kick themselves in it's ar. not had been =
there.
The show was again (Shephards) rather hard - means strong guitars lower =
synthies, but instead of that it was a good sound. Important is also =
that the guitars art NOT
used in the rock style (KIPPER), but in a much better fitting punk mode!
I had to leave immediately, driving home 2,5 hours for next days work.

>23.3, Incognito, Munich<I was again very early there (half an our before opening). Just 3 =
peoples
including me were there, as someone of Garys crew came out and gave us
a signal to came in. Outside we heard Gary to take a test with the band,
so we went in an stand in the hall with Gary playing Cars. The hall was
day-bright and Gary was in Jeans. Only a few peoples from the incognito
were also in the hall. It was a rather a unpleasant situation, standing =
here.
(It's not always unpleasant, because in 91 at the Hammersmith Odeon
I had also a free look at Gary's test play, but it was a big hall where =
noone
had seen me in the dark). After Cars I left the hall and the two old =
fans
with it's vinyl stuff (for signing). Because of the cold I was in my car =
waiting
for all the peoples coming. A quarter after the opening I think only 20 =
peoples
went into. I had the fear that here in Munich it would be hard to reach =
a gig
like the day before in Frankfurt. An old friend of mine then arrived, =
who not a
Numan fan, but took my invitation for the gig. The gig was delayed until
20 minutes after 8pm. And at this time never believed 150 people I think
have been there. Also one of the great shouter at the frankfurt show was =
there -
and we had know what to do :-) And other fan from munich was itself
responsible for the coming of 25 persons! Greetings to George Ellis!
Some people like myself had have given again everything that is =
possilbe.
And I must say that the atmosphere was maybe a little little bit better
in the end as frankfurt - because we danced shoulder on shoulder =
connected
the whole last track (WAG) :-)


So I think the german fans do not have to hide themselves, because =
taking into
account that for most of these this was the first gig of Gary ever, that =
most
of them haven't heart anything from Gary for years or maybe decades, and
that it was only a incident/accident/chance to got notice from the =
concert,
these nights were very brilliant !!!
Counting such 200 peoples up to 1500 or more, you will get an audience
as increadibly as you can see in at any concert in the UK !!!

SO YOU SELF CALLED PROMOTION AGENCIES, DO WHAT YOUR
JOB IS AND  >PROMOTE<  LIKE THE WORDS MEANING

Markus
Nuremberg/Germany

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:39:50 -0800
From: Glen Sutton <glensutton@mindspring.com>
Subject: Gary, God, Good Music, Gotta have it!!
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

Except for my recent re-subscribe post re-introducing myself, I haven't
posted in over a year and a half...and I see the same topics are discussed
over and over and over again.  Oh well... considering the number of people
on our planet, and the number of Numanoids, it is safe to assume that they
shall go round and round again and again 'till we all just fade away.

Speaking of fading away...I am glad that Gary is not. He's my man and
always will be.  His music just does it for me.  What can I say?  If he
does not believe in "God" that is his choice, though it does sadden me.
But other close friends and I assume some of my family do not as well, and
that saddens me, because I do.  A major problem about this is that people
over time and presently give belief in God a bad name.  Wasn't it Ghandi
who said something like "I'd be a Christian if it wasn't for the
Christians?? Regardless who said that, it rings true for many people.  Can
I change this myself? Only in my life, and in my example. One step at a
time.  But my faith does not waver because of someone else's opinion, or
song...My faith is not that weak, nor hangs from a thin nor shallow thread.

It does however make me more aware of other people's perspectives, and that
I must respect them in order others to respect mine.  

Gary's music has meant much to me in my life, and to some degree helped
shape who I am today, especially my musical taste and the kind of music I
write.  It has also helped shape my faith. It helped me question and test
my faith, and my faith is stronger for it.  So I believe that Gary and God
are working together in some way, whether he knows it or not. :)Besides its
just good music!!!

On a side note, I am rather tired of "religion" being used in conjunction
with what I believe, as to be regilgious is to do the same things over and
over and over again, much like this digest in a way...hmmmmmm...anyway, I
think of my beliefs as, well beliefs. A living growing thing that changes
over time as I learn more and more. Try to tell me not to listen to or like
Gary because he is just a marginally good musician, or that he sucks, or
that his music is cold and emotionless, or all the other negative things
people have said about him...and it will never happen...I believe in Gary,
I have a faith in him.  But he is not my God.  So imagine the kind of faith
I have in my God (Yaweh, Jehovah, Jesus Christ, the Holy Ghost...pick a
name) and it is an infinite times greater than I have in any man.  Even
Gary or myself.

I know this was rather long, but I felt it had to be said.  I will no
longer discuss this in the digest, but will accept personal emails and such
to discuss this or anyother aspect of life.  My email is
glensutton@mindspring.com

Thanks for your kindness.

Glen

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 01:06:17 -0700 (MST)
From: Name withheld by request <anon5046@nyx.net>
Subject: Gary Numan ( Of Course.. )
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

Greetings Numanoids!

A few weeks ago, I finally got a hold of 'Exile'. It's a great CD,
regardless of the sillyness of ppl putting it down for it's "anti-god"
theme. What is wrong with not believing in god? I don't! Also, why do the
good things in life have to be associated with god? Things that are good
happen because of ppl, not an omnipitant force. In anycase, it's a great
album and shows that Gary has matured ahead of his time again. I'm excited
that he is going to visit the US for a tour.. which is great! I can only
hope that I'll find a way to get to where he is. There does need to be
more support for the 'Exile' album.. I had to goto several cd stores just
to find the album. Requesting it on the radio would help a lot. Is there
going to be a video for it? Well that's what I have to say..

P.S. Hey does anyone in Europe know anything about an old group called
Fashion? If so, email me. Thanks!

RooT ConTroL
 

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:06:26 +0000
From: colin_l <colin_l@linkcafe.co.uk>
Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #418
To: Gary Numan <numan@cs.uwp.edu>

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Hi. Is it possible to send me a copy of my introduction letter for me to
make a copy of; as I didn't last time. Are you the same Derek
Langsford(?) that was featured in Paul Green's Noise Noise fanzine
???    Colin Linskey

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 02:20:23 -0800
From: Glen Sutton <glensutton@mindspring.com>
Subject: Greetings!
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

Greetings Electric Friends,

I am once again a member of this most wonderful digest.  I am pleased to be
able to join after such a long stay away.  Greetings to Derek, and many
friends I haven't spoken to in well over a year and a half or more.  Hi
also to Brad, a fellow Atlantan and Numan fiend I recently met on another
list.

I am 31 years old, single, and live in Atlanta, Georgia (3 years now).  I
am Sr. Research Assistant at the Shepherd Center (A specialty hospital), I
am a freelance multimedia producer and artist (Rogue Project is my new
company), and I work in the music industry as Art Director, Artist
Relations Director, and Executive Managing Assistant for Zendrum
Corporation.  

When not working, I am an artist (paint & draw), write (working on a book),
am a musician (keyboards...what else??  hehehe), and love films (actually
just in from seeing the _Apostle_) and reading (just finished _Unatural
Exposure_ by Patricia Cornwell). 

I first fell in love with Numan's work when I bought Telekon back in 1982
for $1.75 (then bought another because of a defect in the first track, but
discoverd that the second was defected in the same exact spot!  So until I
heard it on a CD, I had never heard "This Wreckage" without that particular
skip in the beginning....I still have the first record).  The first song
that did it for me was "Please Push No More" and remains one of my all time
favorites. 

Well, for now, that's me.  Its so nice to meet you.

I enjoy email and penpals and encourage all to write me.  I and several
friends are truly excited by the potential US tour and hope Gary passes
through Atlanta or at leaset close enough to allow us to go.  Hope to hear
from you all in the digest and otherwise.

Glen

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:06:09 GMT
From: tfreeman@celltech.co.uk
Subject: I'm still ranting
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

>Furthermore, if you don't think that television influences the way
>people think, there is obviously no hope for you!
I agree totally that a person may be swayed by what he/she see's on the TV 
but surely not someone who has such strong beliefs.
There are many things I believe fervently in  that no amount of TV or 
 people come to that would change my mind on.

>I think it is perfectly fine for me to question my own beliefs, I love
>debating religion and philosophy (from all different sides, I might add).
Ok,so anything Gary might say should give you no problem then.

>Listening to a compact disc, to me, does not really constitute a debate.
So what is debate in your eyes ? In mine it is a set of questions upon which 
you deliberate , is that not what Exile is ?
Have you read the lyrics?
Gary says "What if heaven and hell are one and the same" this he backs up 
with a series of questions ie debate,its up to you to answer them in your 
own mind.

>The impression I seem to be getting of late is that it is okay to attend
>Klan meetings (sorry to contiue the racism thread of my rants, but it is
>something I really have no tolerance for, so it works for me)
I'm sorry but religion has been the cause of racism for centuries ,how many 
wars have there been because one religious faction believes it is better 
than another?
I would not attend a Klan meeting on the basis of morality.,It is immoral to 
believe that I am any better than anyone else because of the colour of my 
skin or my religious beliefs.

>Would I (and others of my opinion) be catching the same hell from digest 
readers if >we just thought the album sucked from a musical standpoint?
No because you would be debating a technical opinion.

>If it will bring an end to all of this berating, I think the album sucks 
musically. Is that >better?
No because you don't say why , remember this is a forum for debate ........

>Since I am, at this point, defending myself for defending someone else,
>this will be my last post on this subject.
Ahh there is the person who loves to debate religion

>Oh, I mean, fear this, idiot!
How typical of religion to pronounce a person an "idiot" when they dare 
express an opinion contrary to there own beliefs.

Tina Freeman

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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:56:26 -0000
From: "Andrew Connell" <aconnell@mcmail.com>
Subject: Internet Concert MP3 files
To: <numan@cs.uwp.edu>

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I Have converted the Live internet concert songs to mp3 files which I =
can email to anybody interested. Those who heard the concert will =
already know the quality of the sound wasnt great. Each song is between =
1 and 3mb and I can mail them all in one go or as seperate files for AOL =
users whos mail accounts wont accept attachments larger than 2.5MB.

Andrew
aconnell@mcmail.com

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Andrew
aconnell@mcmail.com


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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:49:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Mitchell McGavin <MATrombella@ucdavis.edu>
Subject: Intro.
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

Hello, my name is Nick McGavin and I'm a pre-law student at the University
of CA at Davis. I'm a listener of early 80s music especially that of Gary
Numan. I have come to be a fan of his unique synthesizer music and have been
an avid listener for about 12 years. I also enjoy "Flock of Seaguls", "Peter
schilling", and "Alphaville", to name but a few. A play no musical
instruments at the time, but I am interested in learning to play the guitar. 

-Nick McGavin  

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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:59:53 -0800
From: hanabi@mindspring.com
Subject: introduction of an old member
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

hello all,

My name is margo o'neill and i've been a silent member of the list for
about 2
years now.  I felt I better introduce myself.  I've been a fan since
the 6th grade, so that makes it about 16 years .  I have all of Gary's
albums on vinyl and  have just about completed getting them all
on cd's.  I grew up in Michigan, but have lived in Las Vegas, Nevada
for the past 9 years.  It is very hard to get Numan material out here
I've had to order most if my cd's as the record shops don't stock him.
I'm
trying to track down a copy of Praying to the Aliens, Borders,
Bookstar, and Barnes & Noble all state that it does not exist.
does anyone know who the publisher is so I can write to them directly
and get a copy? Also I was more than thrilled when I found out Gary was
coming to Los Angeles (the nearest gig to Vegas), I actually screamed
and
scared my husband to death.  Anyway if any of you out there in LA are
going to get
tickets I would be more than willing to send you money in adavance to
get my
husband and myself tickets to see the show. The last time Gary was in
the states
I was 12 years old and my parents wouldn't let me go to Detroit to see
the concert.
So I've waited my whole life for this.  The list is great and I always
look forward
to reading it.

Thanks
margo o'neill
hanabi@mindspring.com

to reply remove "nospam" from email address.

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:46:25 PST
From: "Jerry V. Howard" <littleprince33@hotmail.com>
Subject: just checking in
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

Hello all-

I just got back from the (San Francisco) Bay Area where I spent a lot of 
wonderful hours with Riana "Scary Numan" Pfefferkorn.  She is absolutely 
Precious, as many of you already know.  We went to some local record 
stores looking for 'must have' Numan stuff***Yeah!!!***among the many 
fun things we did.  After seeing her Numan collection I think it's safe 
to say she's got a good start on being a completist. :-)    

I'm excited to see US tour dates finally being announced.  Now the trick 
is finding a way to one of the shows!  Aaaaah!  Frankly I haven't 
checked yet, but I suspect there's nothing planned for Nashville.  If 
I'm wrong, it won't be the first time that I've been  "premature." ;-)  
I would still like to know what booking agency is handling the booking 
for the NA tour.  I e-mailed Cleopatra asking for that information (as 
well as other kick-in-the-ass things), but of course, they've not 
responded.  Maybe I should try calling....

I can't recall who, but it seems I remember someone who works at 
Cleopatra occaisionally posts something to this digest about Numan.  
Please, if you happen to be reading this, I'm a student of the recording 
industry with a marketing focus.  I want to help get this thing going!!!  
I need info so maybe I can stir things up here in middle Tennessee.  You 
might be surprised how many people here like Numan (a lot of them 
through me - nonetheless...).  It IS true (nod to fellow Numanoid) that 
this thing needs promotion and marketing.  There's a lot of us who will 
work cheap or free!!!!

Well, s'pose I'll stop for now.

...i found the picture that haunts me again...

-Jerry V

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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:58:01 EST
From: Keth Scott <KethScott@aol.com>
Subject: Numan desktop theme?
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

Hi all!  I was recently at the Kraftwerk website and found a Kraftwerk desktop
theme.  Has anyone ever found a Numan desktop theme?  Or felt like making one?
I would make one, but am not quite so talented!  :-)

Keith Scott
Kethscott@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 06:45:50 -0800
From: alexander way <errora@earthlink.net>
Subject: One person's opinion of The Goth Bag
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

Is each and every Numanoid absolutely comfortable with putting Gary 
Numan into the Goth bag??  It must be a huge bag.   He's always been 
hard to classify but because his "sources" seemed so obvious, he was 
easy to dismiss as a Ultravox-Bowie-Kraftwerk fan with a synthesizer 
and mascara.  What are some examples of Goth--NIN, Ministry, The Cure, 
Marilyn Manson?  Maybe he deserves to be called Goth since Goth pop 
music draws on Christian concepts of guilt and sin and turns that into 
a fashion statement.  Gary loves fashion statements.  Perhaps this is 
what Gary's been doing recently.  But, does it make it that much 
easier to classify him as Goth, as opposed to something else?  Is Goth 
actually better than "new wave has-been?" I hope he gets over 
Catholicism and Christian Issues by the next record so the association 
might lessen.

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:47:01 EST
From: Jamesy999 <Jamesy999@aol.com>
Subject: Random 2..Is it Tosh, Rubbish or Doo-doo ??????
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

Craig Land
          Regarding your coments on Random 2. I'm one of the ones who say that
Random 2 is "tosh","rubbish" and "doo doo". I say this because Random 2 is
"tosh",
"rubbish" etc. I thought the idea of a remix project was to ,at least, bear
some sort 
of resemblance to the original artical (even the slightest). Not just a
collection of "boink, boink b, b, b, boink" noises (oh no another nose bleed
comming on !). In no way, shape or form does Random 2 sound like any of the
original songs...oh yea sorry ..They used Numan titles. Perhaps these
Producers are big in the Dance World, I don't know,
but did they even bother to listen to the Numan originals. (Oh no, I feel a
slagging comming on from other digest members).........;-)


Be gentle with me ......

Tony.j.

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:33 -0700 (MST)
From: "Stephen.Austra-beck" <Stephen.Austra-beck@mci.com>
Subject: R A N D O M  2  and a thought for Falco.
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

     All:

          What, has this become the 'Conan O'Brien Digest' all of a
     sudden?  I'm curious about 'Random 2' and looking forward to
     hearing it.  I wanted to read some impressions, so thank you
     to those who shared them.  I've been on holiday and have yet
     to peruse the last four Digests.  Good to see Gary going strong,
     and excited to see him coming back to North America!  We are 
     blessed after all!       

          To my friend Peter likely lost in Siberia (remember Vladivostok
     is EAST), sorry if you missed Belgium, but hey--you made it to
     Austria, so this year hasn't been that bad.  Hope you get more
     out of your CNN collegue!

     ******************  REMEMBER FALCO  **************************


                                        /  Stephen Austra-Beck

                                             

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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:16:32 EST
From: stevie@uk.ibm.com
Subject: US Tour......ya beauty!!!
To: numan@cs.uwp.edu

Can anyone confirm the  actual dates of the Numan US  tour. If the dates
are suitable I'll be booking a flight  to come over for one of the North
East dates, maybe Boston or New York.

Oh by the way,  I'll need a place to rest my head,  anyone fancy a visit
from a  Scottish Numan  Fan. I'll bring  some good  Whiskey!!!!(and some
Haggis if you think you're hard enough for it)

Regards
        Stevie
EXT. 25661 , MP 17R , E-MAIL stevie@uk.ibm.com

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