Gary Numan Digest Sun, 26 Jul 98 Volume 1 : Issue 454 Today's Topics: 'crappy Cleopatra' news ...with Liberty and Numan for all. 5 CD box set. AND IN THIS CORNER.........GARY NUMAN Cleopatatra crap - Beggars V.good Cleopatra Crap Cleopatra vs Beggars / Jo / Mistasax genital hijinx Human I'm a Homo, You're a Homo. . . Jo and the girl. Jo the Waiter Lyrical Content Mista sax Mistasax 2 Numan in Rocktropolis allstar news 7/24/98 Numan in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame! Numan tour profits (2 msgs) So who is he then? So Who is He Then? (Addendum) The last word on Jo the waiter ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:25:07 -0700 From: theartdept@att.net (rod reynolds) Subject: 'crappy Cleopatra' news To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello again. =46irst of all apologies for my typo. Dark Light (not Dark Noise) will be released Aug 25th in the US, the tracks are the same as the Numa UK version (I couldn't find any bonus tracks), the cover art is different. I saw the finished (printed) artwork for Remodulate and it turned out pretty good. They printed a pink 'sticker' (saying 2 cd set, previously unreleased tracks or something) over my artwork which displeases me, and the box they are using is a little bigger than I think it should be (it's cd size, but the jewel box set has *plenty* of room to slide in and out of the box itself). Otherwise, it's turned out really well (all the pages are in the right order at least), and the bonus tracks have not been vetoed by our Mr Numan (maybe he's not paying attention). So I guess it's safe to announce that the new to cd tracks previously unavailable are the 12" version of New Thing from London Town and My Dying Machine Italian 12" mix. The official release date for the US (it will not be released elsewhere) is Aug 5th but as of yesterday (7/23) production is behind and it may be delayed a week, possibly two. The label loves my 16 page booklet and thinks (hopes) the fans will as well. It looks pretty good I must admit ;o) Of course now that I have the box set I would switch a few tracks, but it's far too late now... My version of Sacrifice (4 bonus tracks, complete artwork and lyrics) will be released Aug 11th. I also turned in the completed artwork for my version of the Fury, with five bonus tracks including the previously unavailable on cd track I Still Remember RSPCA 12" version (5:23). I've listened to this track several times and it sounds good. Also the cd has complete lyrics and artwork (plus I stole some extra artwork from the box set) It also has the album version of Call Out the Dogs at the beginning of the cd and the extended version as a bonus track. Also I put Tribal on as a bonus track. So you get three versions of Call Out the Dogs (eek!). It should be released later this year; like I said they are trying not to put them all out at once. I am now working on Berserker for the same treatment. I am considering trying to put the William Orbit remix of My Dying Machine (which I love) as a bonus track. I'm wondering if anyone out there is interested, or do we all have the IRS cds... I would like to put some bonus tracks that are unavailable elsewhere, at least on the box set. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know. I don't think there are any more 'vinyl only' tracks out there (NUMA ONLY - I can't use BB or other labels material). Bye for now, cowboy Rod Los Angeles PS 'The Mix' has to date sold almost twice as many copies as Beggar's 'Rand= om2' >Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:39:18 +0100 >From: Droid >Subject: Cleopatatra crap - Beggars V.good >To: numan@cs.uwp.edu >Cleopatra lost all credibility after releasing =ECthe mix=EE What a load of >dross! They clearly tried to market the CD as the latest release from Gary >>himself. I feel sorry for Gary having to deal with these cowboys who >seem >to be out to milk Gary and the fans for all it's worth. >Tube79. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:35:27 -0400 From: Terrence Thoman Subject: ...with Liberty and Numan for all. To: Gary Numan Digest Just another useless snippet. My wife and I packed up the kids and took them to New York City last weekend to see the Statue of Liberty. I took the baby up in the elevator while my wife took our older daughter up the stairs. I'm wearing my Exile tour shirt and the National Parks Ranger, a guy named Brian Older, who's running the lift asks me if I actually saw the concert. Turns out he's a fan. We had a nice 45 minute conversation right there inside the Statue of Liberty about all things Numan while waiting for the stair climbers to make it up. Planet Numan is getting smaller all the time. I say to my wife when the finally make it up the climb "Look honey, another Gary Numan fan." "Yuck" she says. She's not exactly a fan. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:26:14 +0200 From: DE VISSCHER Luc Subject: 5 CD box set. To: NUMAN Digest Like every Numan fan, I bought "The Numa Years", though I do already have these 5 CDs. I like the classy style of the box set, and I am happy for the CDs being remastered (though I hoped Sacrifice would have been a lot better in sound, more like Exile). I just miss, as already mentioned by some other 'digesters', the lyrics. Another note: WHO WILL BUY THIS???? I can not believe that a regular non GN freak would buy 5 CDs at once from an artist. I mean, there are a lot of bands I like a lot, of which I have some CDs missing, but for instance, I would never buy out of the blue a 5 CD box set of Depeche Mode. And folks, we have to admit, not a lot of non fans are waiting for the B-sides (though in Gary's case, some of his best songs were B-sides like The Image is, We take mystery (early), Face to face,...). So again only the die hard fans will buy these, and that's it. It's like milking the same cow over and over. On the other hand, I was nicely surprised by the move of BB. The CDs show a big improvement in quality, and I adore to finally have them as a single CD with the original sleeves. Great job Steve!!!! Looking forward to meet you all on the 12th of September! Best regards, Luc DE VISSCHER THE NUMAN FACTOR - Belgium luc.devisscher@bfeurope.com TEL +32.2.714.68.15 FAX +32.2.714.68.19 GSM +32.75.680.560 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 21:38:29 -0000 From: "SHELIA S CARTER" Subject: AND IN THIS CORNER.........GARY NUMAN To: HOWDY!!!!! KING RICHARD HERE....I must tell you this.The other day, a friend was asking if i remembered the band BLOTTO. Only recalling the song I WANNA BE A LIFEGUARD, I was a bit speachless to say the least (for a change, I was speachless, hehehe) So i looked the band up on the NET...In their bio page I found the following NUMAN related story: The band BLOTTO is up for a grammy nomination for BEST NEW ARTIST, not performing on the show(Johnny Carson saw to it they were banned from performing on t.v) they instead were presenting an award. They were to go onstage, after GARY NUMAN finished performing CARS. As NUMAN walked off stage and past the band BLOTTO, a member looks at NUMAN and says"nice eyemake-up, F@##&T" (edited, not to offend). NUMAN turns around and punches the guy in the nose,spattering blood all over the guys tux.He then turns to another member of BLOTTO and starts punching the guy in the stomach. Security has to pull NUMAN off the guy so they can go onstage. The one GARY hit in the stomach had to be rushed to the hospital because he ruptured his appendix........... Has anyone else heard this story? does anyone else think this is funny? I have not read his book, so I dont know if it is in there.Still, pretty funny.....If you want to email me, Try this one instead, it will get to me faster. kingofeightiesmusic@angelfire.com later guys, king richard. (p.s, by the way, sorry I have been misspelling my stuff. some of it is on purpose (such as 'ya 'cha and my lowercase spelling of things that should be uppercase, just habit. a take off on southern slang.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:34:54 -0700 From: "Larry Brophy" Subject: Cleopatatra crap - Beggars V.good To: "Gary Numan" I actually really enjoyed this album, although I could have done without the 3 versions of Cars!! > > Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:39:18 +0100 > From: Droid > Subject: Cleopatatra crap - Beggars V.good > To: numan@cs.uwp.edu > > Cleopatra lost all credibility after releasing “the mix” What a load of > dross! They > clearly tried to market the CD as the latest release from Gary himself. > I feel sorry for Gary having to deal with these cowboys who seem to be > out to milk Gary and the fans for all it's worth. > > Congratulations Beggars Banquet on the excellent re-mastered classic > albums, they > sound fantastic. The artwork and presentation are very good and Steve > Malins sleeve > notes are second to none, keep up the good work. > > > Tube79. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:10:12 -0700 From: "Robert Trousdale" Subject: Cleopatra Crap To: Droid mentioned that he thought Cleopatra lost all credibility by releasing the mix as the latest Numan release. Now, on the one hand, from Cleopatra's standpoint, The Mix IS the latest Numan release, but that is splitting hairs. On the other hand, when refering to The Mix as a load of crap, I must take exception. I bought Random ][, and Gary himself sent me Random 1 (Contest winner). While I enjoy about six of the nearly 30 tracks on Random 1, Random 2 is a total peice of shit... I like techno, but my GOD! This is just too repetitive. The Mix, on the other hand, is enjoyable from the first version of AFE all the way to the 2nd version of We are so fragile... even given that 3 songs are done by at least two other bands... WAG, WASF, Cars. So, let's just agree that we have different musical tastes. I wonder, how many record stores are pointing to the BB reissues as the "latest" releases by Gary Numan... can you at least see how that is correct - from a certain point of view? :-) -"You will find that a great many truths we hold dear depend on your point of view" -Obi Wan Kenobi -Escher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:31:30 -0400 From: Matthew Roberts Subject: Cleopatra vs Beggars / Jo / Mistasax To: Gary Numan Droid (?) said that Cleopatra were milking the fans by releasing The MIx,= whereas Beggars were top notch by re-releasing Replicas. I have the Replicas re-release & think it is excellent. I don't have the mix yet, so= am unable to comment on it's quality. However, I think it's a reasonable assumption that organising 10 new recordings (or however many it was) takes more effort than re-mastering existing tracks. Therefore, in terms of milking the fans, Beggars take th= e prize. I have about a dozen copies of Replicas, and whilst re-masters are welcom= e, I get far more excited by re-recordings. Beggars deserve credit for the quality of the CD releases, but the motivation is easy money. By the way, Droid (?) also says that Steve Malins sleeve notes are second= to none. I would agree that Steve's comments are better than any previous= efforts. However this isn't saying much. Steve is clever, and has a good feeling for the wider context. However, he sometimes seems to lack a deep= understanding of Gary's work and I believe I, and a few others, could hav= e done it more justice. Argh! It's NOT Jo The Waitress, because it was a niaive attempt to hide t= he person's identity (and Gary thought the gay reference was a bit cool). Hasn't ANYBODY read the autobiography? Doesn't ANYBODY listen to Gary's interviews? Mistasax? From memory, Mistasax 2 was the first version released. It appeared as the 12" b-side to one version of Radio Heart (the blue sleeve???). When it appeared on Babylon, it was WRONGLY listed as 'Versio= n 1'. Another (previously unreleased) version also appeared and was listed (obviously wrongly) as 'Version 2'. = In Echo Park I....... paused for effect" Gary Numan ( I just realised the= genius behind this line). Matthew Roberts ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:33:40 PDT From: "Jerry V. Howard" Subject: genital hijinx To: numan@cs.uwp.edu ENOUGH ALREADY!!! So what if some of Gary's early lyrics have elements of homoeroticism? In the late 70's and through most of the 80's androgyny and sexual ambiguity were considered somewhat chic. I really don't think Gary's sexuality, past or present, should be any of our concern. It doesn't fucking matter! It should only be an issue if you happen to be involved in a sexual relationship with him, and you're not. As has been suggested by a couple of other wise digesters, let's get back to discussing the music and its significance. Next... -jerry v An Alien Cure - Gary Numan via jerry v http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9393/numan.html Caricature - Jesus Jones via jerry v http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9393/jesus.html jerry v http://www.mtsu.edu/~rein02b4 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:13:17 -0600 From: "Joey Lindstrom" Subject: Human To: "Gary Numan" In the last Digest there were a couple of questions about "Human". "Human", co-written by Gary Numan and Michael R. Smith, is the unofficial soundtrack to the movie "The Unborn". Just about every track on the album appears in the movie somewhere, although in many cases it's just a quick snippet and you've gotta listen carefully. There are also several bits of music that appear in the movie that do *NOT* appear on "Human". If you're a completist, it's then worth buying a copy of "The Unborn" in order to get these bits of music - but if you're expecting a good movie, go with "Dark City" instead. :-) As to the "official" soundtrack for "The Unborn" - there simply wasn't one. IRS elected not to put one out and that cleared the way for Gary to go ahead with "Human", four years after the fact. And before anyone starts saying that "well, that seems a shoddy thing to do to fans, giving them an album that's just bits and pieces and not fully-formed into songs", please bear in mind that Gary released this album only after four years of badgering by us hardcore Numanoids who really, really wanted it released. :-) I expect it's not the highest-selling album in the Numa Records stable, witness the fact that Eagle and Cleopatra never bothered to include it in their reissue plans. "Human" is not for everyone. The longest tracks are 2-3 minutes in length. It's completely instrumental and has the same "feel" as Outland and Machine + Soul. It's a collection of musical ideas, bits and pieces really. If you're not sure, ask a friend who's got a copy if you can borrow it for a short while, and/or maybe have someone tape you a few tracks to see if it's your cup of tea. I don't play my copy often - but when I do I *REALLY* enjoy it. Sit back on the couch, don the headphones, and crank the volume - it's quite a ride. :-) / From Joey Lindstrom joey@lindstrom.com / Interocitor Dot Net http://www.interocitor.net / / A cop stopped me for speeding. He said, "Why were you going so fast?" I / said, "See this thing my foot is on? It's called an accelerator. When you / push down on it, it sends more gas to the engine. The whole car just takes / right off. And see this thing? This steers it." / --Steven Wright ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:31:25 CST From: "Marcia Seelhoff" Subject: I'm a Homo, You're a Homo. . . To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Sorry to jump in here so late. I was sure someone else would mention this: Back in the early days, I remember reading interviews with Gary saying that although he wasn't bisexual, he wished he was as he would then have twice as many potential sex partners (or words to that effect). I always thought the homoerotic content in Gary's lyrics (well, on "Replicas," anyway) was pretty clear. I'm surprised to hear that there are those who "just don't see it." In fact, the first few months that I was a fan, I simply assumed he was gay. (I mean, he had an earring in his RIGHT ear! We all know what THAT means, har har har. . .) ANYWAY -- my point here is that even though straight, Gary wasn't afraid to raise the question in people's minds that he was perhaps gay or bisexual. In fact, I would argue that this was a deliberate move; it was part of the persona he was creating. Nevertheless, it certainly took guts to do such a thing. Now, whether he should be commended by the gay/bi community for this is debatable -- and I'm not exactly qualified to comment. Marcia Seelhoff marcia.seelhoff@senate.leg.state.mn.us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:56:54 GMT From: "Michale Stembridge" Subject: Jo and the girl. To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Miss Bianca inquires, > If "Jo the waiter" was female, wouldn't it be "Jo = the waitress?" Good observation. That would tend to clear up any question as to Jo's body sex. Now, listen to the song again and listen to it as if Numan were writing from the perspective of a female. The lyrics could go either way really(going from the female's perspective back to narration, and so on). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:00:17 -0400 From: "Terrence Thoman" Subject: Jo the Waiter To: Gary Numan Digest In Gary Numan Digest V1 #453 wrote: >Subject: JO the food deliverance operative of indeterminate sexual polarity >I always assumed that JO was a female. I thought that JO was an >abbreviation for Joanne; it seems fitting > >Right. Then it would've been JO The Waitress......... Love the politically correct subject line. Actually everyone gets to be right. This quote from page 52 of PTTA: "'Jo The Waiter' was named after a girl, Joanna Casey who was my first love, or as close as you can get to it at the age. The lyric deliberately suggests that Jo is a man." This and the other quotes from Gary already illuminated elsewhere in the Digest definitively show the homoerotic content is there. Whether or not a particular individual recognizes its existance doesn't alter the reality that it's there. To argue otherwise, you're either: a) polishing you debate team skills, or b) studying to be a lawyer. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:14:08 -0700 From: Room 237 Subject: Lyrical Content To: Gary Numan Part of the fun of writing is the ability to write from alternate perspectives. You can write a song/poem/story that suggests you are a gay chicken on lsd. It can be considered an exorcism of sorts. You conjure in your mind and feel the need to release the imagery into form. It may all be relative, but you have filled a need. The other interesting part is the interpretation of others. This becomes quite chaotic. The afore mentioned gay chicken on lsd could be interpreted in a million and one ways. ...and probably none of them are the same as what you intended when you wrote it. That's not necessarily a bad thing. It can be part of the fun. If you believe everything you read (or perceive), then you'll be in serious trouble. ;) Classic example is the multiple interpretations of the bible...but that's a can of worms we don't want to open, right? ;) Some of you may remember an old saying that goes something like... "suffer your interpretations." have fun ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:42:42 PDT From: "William Wilson" Subject: Mista sax To: numan@cs.uwp.edu HI! As far as a conversation I had with Gary a few years back goes,"Mista Sax" 1+2 were both recorded without Gary ever meeting with Dick Morrisey(the saxophonist),apparently 1 was recorded and dick was not happy with the end result so he recorded a second,almost identical version.Gary said he recorded the music for it and sent a tape to Mr. Morrisey in New York to finish.BTW Dick Morrisey is the guy Vangelis used to do the saxophone on the "Bladerunner" soundtrack Cheers!! William Wilson (Glasgow Crazie) MUSIC OF QUALITY HAS NO FEAR OF TIME (PETE WYLIE,WAH!) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:20:50 +0100 (BST) From: "P.G. Whalley" Subject: Mistasax 2 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu > Mista Sax is an excellent track. But what is the difference between Mista > Sax 1 (as on Babylon 2) and Mista Sax 2 (as on The Numa Years Box Set)? > They have the same track time and sound identical. > > Babylon 4 (which I haven't got) includes Mista Sax 2 which I believe is the > first time it appeared. The 12" blue sleeve issue of Radio Heart had Mistasax 2 as the extra track. This was issued around 1986/7, which predates Babylon 4. If Radio Heart was issued in 12" format with two different coloured sleeves (the 7" release came in a black sleeve), then this might explain the existence of two Mistasax's, even though they were the same song. The opportunism of the Nicholson brothers knows no ends! The mid-80's were full of these little nuances which created rarities for which collectors had to pay through the nose. I blame Frankie Goes To Hollywood, who released numerous 12" mixes/different covers with each single, as did the Pet Shop Boys. There are a few examples of this in Numan's back catalogue, though the Numa Years are characterised more by coloured vinyls than anything else. The first few copies of The Fury had a pink inner sleeve picture of Numan whereas the rest came in black and white and the picture disc of the album came in two versions. I Can't Stop was released in 10" format as well as a not-too-rare 12" white label sporting a club mix. All of this is good fun, but a bit of a nightmare for completists. Keep the faith, Phil. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 12:23:51 EDT From: DCGaySLP@aol.com Subject: Numan in Rocktropolis allstar news 7/24/98 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu This was in my Rocktropolis newsletter mailed in this morning!! YAY!!! Living in Exile, Rick in DC ---- FEAR FACTORY PUSH METAL/ELECTRONIC ENVELOPE ON OBSOLETE Guests Include Gary Numan On 'Cars' Cover "This is the first conceptual record in a long time for a lot of people," says Dino Cazares about Fear Factory's forthcoming album, Obsolete, due Tuesday (July 28) on Roadrunner. "I've always been a fan of sci-fi, so we decided to bring that into the music." Their new concept album will continue the band's merging of hard metallic guitars with electronic aggression. "This record is an extension of Demanufacture and Remanufacture, and goes into newer areas," says the guitarist (who contributed six- string samples to Junkie XL's latest). "We've had DJs playing on this record. We used a few different vocal styles -- our singer is doing a lot of melodic vocals on the record. People asked me 'why?' I look at it this way: if you have more than one talent, why not use it?" Indeed, the new record promises plenty. First off, there's the group's rendition of "Cars," for which Gary Numan agreed to do vocals. The band flew him out to Vancouver for the session. Notes Cazares: "It came out to be a beefier version, but it doesn't sound like a metal band covering a song." Produced by Front Line Assembly/ Delerium magnate Rhys Fulber and engineered by Greg Neely (whose credits include Skinny Puppy, Sarah McLachlan, and FLA), Obsolete also features a string section. For two songs, 13 members of the Vancouver Chamber Orchestra were invited to play cello and violins. Fear Factory were urged on by Fulber to use real strings rather than synthesized parts, as Fulber successfully accomplished the same thing in the past with Delerium. The lyrical subject matter is also an extension of the band's recent albums. Cazares describes a dark, Orwellian concept for Obsolete, where in the future, man has made himself antiquated by creating machines to do all of his work for him. The narrative revolves around Edgecrusher, a "non- conformist, sub- human terrorist," explains Cazares, who is "not against technology; he's just against the way technology has gone, how it has deleted man. "He's fighting against the system," he continues. "This guy's a revolutionary fighter for the people who are left." Our protagonist's nemesis is a being titled Smasher/ Devourer, who works for the Securitron Police, an organization which watches the humans' every move. Smasher/ Devourer keeps people in line and is treated like a God because of his ability to wipe out human life. Throughout the story, he is hunting down Edgecrusher, who attempts to bring down the system and restore balance to the world. At press time, the members of Fear Factory were still writing the story out for inclusion with the song lyrics, and Cazares compares the text to "a blueprint to a movie." "Maybe someday if we're lucky, if we make enough money, we'll be able to make a movie out of it," he says, although he adds that he's not thinking of it in terms of a massive Hollywood production. "For me, putting your ideas on film would be a bigger turn-on than making money. It would be more of a three- dimensional, graphics- animated movie like 'Toy Story.' That's what I would like to see. [But] it would be brutal." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:36:47 -0700 From: Ian David Golder Subject: Numan in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame! To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello far-flung Numanoids, Finding myself in Cleveland last weekend with little or nothing to do, I visited the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, and am happy to report that Gary Numan has made it into their exhibits! Specifically, a clip from "Cars" is included in an exhibit on MTV. I count this as a brilliant coup since MTV didn't even go on the air until August 1981, over a year after "Cars" came out. I remember my fellow schoolmates dismissing "Cars" as a novelty song while listening endlessly to bands like Journey. I note with glee that Journey, as well as a whole host of crap arena bands, are not represented at ALL in the Hall of Fame. Time will out. As an added bonus, the Hall's record store was selling "Exile," so they correctly view Gary as a viable artist rather than a has-been. Gary will be eligible for membership in about five years. -Ian http://www/wenet.net/~iandg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:31:29 -0400 From: Terrence Thoman Subject: Numan tour profits To: Gary Numan Digest In Gary Numan Digest V1 #453 Mary.Ann.Kienapple@alltel.com wrote: >Neil Finn is currently touring the US/CANADA playing similar venues to Gary's recent >tour (many of the same venues in fact). Fans from that list are arguing that the tour will >loose (sic) thousands of dollars. > >"... Work out Neil's costs - 2 buses, 1 truck, airfares from Australia, wages, hotel etc, >etc, a touring party of twenty. I manage bands and have done similar tours. I can >assure you that Neil will be losing 6 figures on this tour. The me preface this by saying that I'm not in the biz, so maybe this person knows what they're talking about. I speaking strictly as a fan. I assumed that Cleo/Eagle foot the cost of tour. Gary has said in the past his reasons for not touring N. America during the Numa years was because he would have had to pay for everything (ie all the stuff mentioned above) and because he had nobody on this continent working on his behalf (ie booking all those dates) without any expectation that he would make a profit. . Perhaps I wrongly assumed that Cleo/Eagle filled both those roles as part of the deal. I can't imagine that Gary would suddenly change his mind to fund this endevour solely on the basis that a small label like Cleo was going to find the venues, book the dates, and promote the daylights out of the tour (which they didn't) to make the tour profitable and/or promote record sales.. I'd think Cleo/Eagle would have to assume at least part of the risk. Terrence "Grey overcoat and he could be anyone, a random poll check 'Do you ever think of women?'" - GN ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:37:43 -0400 From: Terrence Thoman Subject: Numan tour profits To: Gary Numan Digest In Gary Numan Digest V1 #453 Mary.Ann.Kienapple@alltel.com wrote: >Neil Finn is currently touring the US/CANADA playing similar venues to Gary's recent >tour (many of the same venues in fact). Fans from that list are arguing that the tour will >loose (sic) thousands of dollars. > >"... Work out Neil's costs - 2 buses, 1 truck, airfares from Australia, wages, hotel etc, >etc, a touring party of twenty. I manage bands and have done similar tours. I can >assure you that Neil will be losing 6 figures on this tour. The me preface this by saying that I'm not in the biz, so maybe this person knows what they're talking about. I'm speaking strictly as a fan. I assumed that Cleo/Eagle foot the cost of tour. Gary has said in the past his reasons for not touring N. America during the Numa years was because he would have had to pay for everything (ie all the stuff mentioned above) and because he had nobody on this continent working on his behalf (ie booking all those dates) without any expectation that he would make a profit. . Perhaps I wrongly assumed that Cleo/Eagle filled both those roles as part of the deal. I can't imagine that Gary would suddenly change his mind to fund this endevour solely on the basis that a small label like Cleo was going to find the venues, book the dates, and promote the daylights out of the tour (which they didn't) to make the tour profitable and/or promote record sales.. I'd think Cleo/Eagle would have to assume at least part of the risk. Terrence "Grey overcoat and he could be anyone, a random poll check 'Do you ever think of women?'" - GN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:55:00 +0100 From: "MARSH, Phil" Subject: So who is he then? To: "'Numan Digest'" Well, its a slow day, and as a change from the homo-erotic lyrics debate, = =20 how about this? Long standing readers will remember occasional contentious postings from = =20 "Nick Fox". The following exchange took place recently between him and =20 someone called "Nuzone" on the AFE website's message board. "Nuzone" I'm = =20 guessing is Matthew Holbrook, once curator of the (at the time) leading = =20 Numan website "NuZone", which closed a while ago, and also a contributor = =20 to Computer Shopper magazine here in the UK. "Nuzone" :- Well you should know Nick. I would imagine you know Matthew Holbrook =20 better than anyone. And if you don't like Gary Numan, why don't you just piss off?...you draw = =20 a strange satisfaction from the lack of popularity you have attained =20 through your past activities and I know more about them than most. If you were such a brave and opinionated man, you would show your face at = =20 a Gary Numan concert. Of course, there is no Nick Fox as such, just a =20 silly little man hiding behind silly little names. What I would really =20 like is to see you introduce yourself to Gary Numan as Nick Fox. I am =20 sure you would be well received. The worrying thing is, the more I think about it, the more you sound like = =20 someone I used to know. "Nick Fox":- Well coming from someone who hasn|t got the balls to reveal themselves I = =20 find that a little hypocritical to say the least. NZ:- Come now Nick, let's not be silly. You know exactly who I am and I sure = =20 know who YOU are. I am amazed people haven't seen it before. Don't let this degenerate into a virtual slanging match. We've both said = =20 our bit and that should be an end to it. This isn't Computer Shopper you = =20 know. NF:- >I am amazed people haven't seen it before. hehehe so am I :-) but let's keep it to ourselves So presumably "Nick Fox" is actually someone known to be on the list =20 already...maybe even Gary himself. Any guesses? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:02:00 +0100 From: "MARSH, Phil" Subject: So Who is He Then? (Addendum) To: "'Numan Digest'" Having just re-read my message which should be in this Digest (called So Who is He Then?), where I said:- "So presumably "Nick Fox" is actually someone known to be on the list already...maybe even Gary himself." I didn't mean maybe Nick Fox is Gary himself...I meant maybe Gary would recognise whoever he/she really is. God, its been a long day.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:09:53 +0100 From: kevin Goodchild Subject: The last word on Jo the waiter To: numan digest Folks, You obviously haven't read your Numan autobiography. Page 52 " 'Jo The Waiter' was named after a girl, Joanne Casey who was my first love. The lyric deliberately suggests that Jo is a man. A lot of stuff I wrote was sexually misleading" ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************