Gary Numan Digest Sun, 30 Aug 98 Volume 1 : Issue 464 Today's Topics: (3 msgs) Eureka! homosexuality Joey Lindstrom meet before the show Merciful release Moscow IS the Dark City ... No one knows? Aw come on!!! NUMA Years: Thanks Amazon! Oh yeah!! Random notes Reply to rantings... Sleep By Windows deprivation ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:06:11 +0100 From: "Tim Evans" Subject: To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone, in an ideal world female, looking for a ticket to Sept 12 = concert? Face value, pint before is the premium, pint after is the = optional, and mutual choice Tim Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone, in an ideal world female, = looking for a=20 ticket to Sept 12 concert? Face value, pint before is the premium, pint = after is=20 the optional, and mutual choice Tim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 17:50:33 +0100 From: "Tim Evans" Subject: To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi to everyone, Im Tim and Im new to this list, but not to Gary Numan as = I have been a fan since Replicas, and a frquent gig-goer, and looking = forward to next month... Tim Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi to everyone, Im Tim and Im new to = this list,=20 but not to Gary Numan as I have been a fan since Replicas, and a frquent = gig-goer, and looking forward to next month... Tim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:15:52 +0100 From: "jim sewell" Subject: To: Very reluctantly, lots of Numan items up for sale... Ring Dee on 01932 245740 JBSewell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:43:43 +0400 From: "Peter Enright" Subject: Eureka! To: "Digest Numan" The penny just dropped. Something clicked. I just figured out what Gaz is up to! It's so obvious we missed it! The reason Gaz is not touring is so simple; he's recording new stuff and ... wait for it ... he'll do a tour maybe next year with a brand new image! Gone will be the black leather and Goth make-up and in its place will be ... well we'll just have to wait and see won't we? I can hardly wait ... TikTokMan BTW I just use Peter Enright's computer while he's asleep ... Moscow ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:30:07 -0400 From: "ken" Subject: homosexuality To: "Gary Numan" okay, here's the briefest message I can compose..... I'm straight, I have MANY gay friends, I'm concerned with their interests, but at this point, if I see ANYTHING do to with the current "conversation", I will delete it without a second thought... the homosexual content of Gary's lyrics is old hat and became tiresome many weeks ago. I may agree with your viewpoint but at this point I don't care anymore and delete ANYTHING that crosses my desk... Save us all some time and grow up. ... Be gay & be proud if you must, but EVERYONE get off thier soapbox!!!! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:28:04 +0100 From: colin_l Subject: Joey Lindstrom To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Or rather the subject line should be "Spice Girls joke" but didn't want to upset anyone,!!! :-) Joey Lindstrom mentioned the Spice Girls in his letter. Cue for a Spice Girls joke. What have David Beckham and Ferro Rocher chocolates have in common ??? They both come in a 'posh box' !!! Incidentally getting back to Numan, I've just bought The Mix and although one or two tracks are not that good; it's probably a lot better than obscure Random 2- in fact sounds loosley similar to Techno Army album. Some of the mixes use those tracks. I've just bought my first bootleg; New Kingdom, recorded May 11, 1998 in Chicago. Still to listen to as have just bought in Memorabilia 98 fair @ SECC, Glasgow. Bye for now Colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 21:16:18 +0100 From: "Barry Lynch" Subject: meet before the show To: "Numan News" If no-one has any better ideas, I think the best place to meet before the show is 'Edwardes' Bar on the corner of Wood Lane, about 200 yards from the Empire, meet at 5 or 6 pm? The Firkin pub tends to get extremely packed on Saturdays, and would have trouble finding your own mother in there! Barry Lynch London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:18:53 EDT From: SomaCrow@aol.com Subject: Merciful release To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Steve wrote: <> So what he needs to do is go back to releasing two albums in a year, and then he'll be the hottest thing around again, right? ;) Oy. Riana "There was only one catch... and that was Catch-22" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:39:28 +0400 From: "Peter Enright" Subject: Moscow IS the Dark City ... To: "Digest Numan" Hey! What gives? I caught this flick that some of you Numanites were raving about months ago, "Dark City" which was screening for one night only here, and ... I didn't hear any "Exile" tracks or Numan's music at all in the film, just some way-over-the-top orchestral score. The story was predictable, and obviously had a healthy budget considering all that 3D digital computer animation. (Anyone know what it was exactly?) But really, the entire film would have benefited tremendously with Numan's music, I mean the lyrics of "Metal" (not "Moral") are practically written for that story, which in my opinion is ripped off from a book called "The Sinful Ones" by Fritz Lieber. The elements of the script are strikingly similar ... Of course the story suffers from that old logic flaw, if you set up a bunch of aliens with mind/matter/reality control ... well you can't fight that really can you? They can see you coming a mile away ... Oh whatever happened to originality? At least it had some cool Aussie actors. The TikTokMan, Saving his $$$$ in Moscow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:32:13 -0700 From: Mark Stanton Subject: No one knows? Aw come on!!! To: "'Numan Digest'" OK, I'll ask this one again: I keep finding this offering in on-line CD stores but have no idea what it could be... Title: Zie47472 Label: pias Country: Holland Release date: 4/1/94 and I was hoping someone would have an answer to Tony J's question below.... >>------------------------------ >> >>Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:54:02 EDT >>From: Jamesy999@aol.com >>Subject: does any one know...... >>To: numan@cs.uwp.edu >> >> Digesters ... >>just going through some VERY old newsletters. On the proposed Telekon track >>listing (1980) Gary says "I'm A Driver" will be on Telekon......never heard of >>it again >>Can any one tell us what ever happened to "Driver"......... >>Has any one seen Gary and Gemma on this Lakesiders thing yet ??????? >> >>Me, I Disconnect Fr........ >>Tony J >> >>------------------------------ That's all, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 06:06:08 EDT From: NewcombG3@aol.com Subject: NUMA Years: Thanks Amazon! To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Well, I placed the order on July 12 and waited tensely for the Dear John from Amazon, but they came through with the NUMA Years Box Set at $55.94 including shipping. I received it a month and a half later, though, August 27. This set is great! All I have to say is "Get the need! Get it!" Well, that's not quite all. I've listened to Sacrifice, which is the only studio album I haven't heard before. And I'm listening to Strange Charm now. It's great to hear these songs again. I haven't heard them since my turntable died years ago. About the packaging, I think the look is great, except I would have liked to see the original album art and lyrics. Lyrics! How could they leave out the lyrics? And of course they should have solved the odd fifth CD problem a little better. I love the hardbound covers, except like most box sets it creates a CD storage problem. I'm going to have to put it to sleep on my bookshelf eventually, I guess, instead of keeping it handy on my CD rack. In the meantime I'm just keeping it out on the table. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:29:28 -0500 (EST) From: Machman@netdirect.net Subject: Oh yeah!! To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello all, Well, I just listened to Replicas on the BB reissue, and I must say, WOW!! One of my all time Favorite Numan songs, finally on CD!!! Well, I have sooo much to say, but think I will pass this time. Do not want to jump into another frenzy, with all this about Numan's Career choices and all. Take care all, Mark A Hubbard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:28:1 +0100 From: "Steve Webbon" Subject: Random notes To: "numan list" Random notes Thanks Joey for your well considered comments. However, let me enlighten the following point.. For the longest time Random was one of those "I pull it out occasionally" albums (after listening to nearly every track repeatedly after first buying it). I became tremendously disillusioned with it, however, when I later found out that all of the artists involved were paid in advance for their contributions, leading to the conclusion that many of these covers were performed by bands who couldn't care less about Numan and were just there for the paycheque. Indeed, it now makes a lot of the interview comments at the time make a whole lot more sense (ie: just about everything whatshername from Republica had to say). Some of them seemed genuinely confused as to who the hell Numan actually was. The average advance was, in modern recording terms, very low - This money was paid to cover recording costs and other expenses, as one wouldn't expect the bands to pay to be on the album. I know that some of the bands' expenses were much higher than the money paid and I think there may have only been a couple of cases where a band made a 'profit' and even then we are NOT talking big bucks and I never believed this was anyone's motivation. All of the contributors did express an interest in Numan's music. Remember that the media front person (ie.Saffron) ISN'T all of Republica - actually others in the band were initially more into the music, but once the project started Gary and Saffron got on very well - there's nothing wrong with being a NEW fan and liking the man for who he is rather than knowing everything he's done. - steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:14:29 -0500 From: "Scott_R._Lucado" Subject: Reply to rantings... To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Joey Lindstrom wrote (and I'm editing here): "To come to this conclusion would seem to indicate that you're not really paying close enough attention, and in fact are listening more to other fans than to Gary himself. To wit: "1) Gary is a man who values his privacy. "2) Gary is uncompromising with his music. "3) He wants success, and perhaps expects more than he should, but not at any cost." To me (forgive me if I've misunderstood), these statements are something like "Gary wants everyone to know and accept that he really doesn't give a flip about what people think," which presupposes that everyone who will ever hear a Numan song know this about him as a condition of hearing his music. My point is that it's virtually impossible to discuss his music without discussing him personally. But you're right, I don't pay terribly close attention to everything that Gary says (I've got better things to do). He is, after all, a modest though unique talent, of demonstratedly limited creative ability and disappointingly adolescent emotionality (all this brooding "God is a jerk" stuff is okay for a 20-year-old, but come on). As I've said earlier, I really like his stuff, but I also believe that by far his best work was done before Reagan was re-elected (and that was long time ago...). Is it okay to have these opinions, or have I revealed myself as "not a *real* Gary Numan fan" who isn't fit to continue to live? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:38:28 +0400 From: "Peter Enright" Subject: Sleep By Windows deprivation To: "Digest Numan" WARNING! The following message contains no smiley faces. Trendsetters, Just been annoying the neighbours and grooving along to the re-mastered CD's of Replicas, The Pleasure Principle & Telekon, recent purchases from Londinium - what great albums! What great sound, great artwork, informative yet still sycophantic sleeve notes etc. The music still holds up even today 20 years later - scary! They are modern masters, there's a kind of clarity, innocence, innovation, rawness and purity to the sound and lyrics of these early works. Or maybe I'm just connecting with my own psyche as it was when they were released. They transport all us old Numanites way back to those halcyon bygone days of the early 80's ... sigh ... oh yeah a point to mention while I'm babbling and the ruble is falling as surely as the autumn leaves; this brilliant Telekon track "Sleep By Windows", I'd seen reference to it on the digest occasionally, but I couldn't quite place it, and in spite of my planet-sized memory when it comes to All Things Numan, I just put it down to my ongoing widespread neo-cortex cell destruction caused by severe alcohol and Other Substances abuse. But now that I have the hot little CD in my sweaty palms I know the answer: I'VE NEVER FUCKING HEARD IT BEFORE! The reason? It was NEVER included on the original Australian vinyl release of Telekon! Right! A stiff letter to the Australian Embassy is in order! Heads will roll for this! Depriving me of cultural right is beyond redemption! I've been savagely psychologically scarred for life and I didn't even know it. And neither was "We Are Glass"! But that was common knowledge in the Numan Camp at the time, so I bought the 45rpm single ... remember those things? Still, there's no excuse! Get my Ombudsman on the phone! A Very Big Harrumph from The TikTokMan, Opening his own Black Market in Moscow PS: Note to Numan Marketing Dept.: Gaz should re-release it as "Sleep By Windows 98" - Bill will be pleased ... ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************