Gary Numan Digest Thu, 5 Nov 98 Volume 1 : Issue 483 Today's Topics: "Cars" at Yankee Stadium @$#(&*!!! Asylum Merchandise Boring? Not for me! Gary Numan Digest V1 #482 Late? My Favorite Lyric Nose-picking guitarist Numan/Nicholson - a better price Numan for sale Numan mention Numan vinyl observer midi file Poll latest - Tuesday 3 Nov 98 R/e ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Sharpe+Numan This Wreckage ain't shite! tik tok tik tok tik tok tik tok Unfortunate cancellation Valerium What is the purpose of the Gary Numan Digest? yes, it is boring ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 03:37:43 -0500 From: Ken <Numaniac@gamewood.net> Subject: "Cars" at Yankee Stadium To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello All! Just so everyone will know, "Cars" is a regular at Yankee stadium. They play it during almost every game. It has been a regular there for several years. It's the only thing I lke about the New York Yankees, since I'm a die hard Baltimore Orioles fan! Best wishes to you all! Ken Gary Numan Tribute Site___________________________ __<http://www.gamewood.net/~kbhb/index.htm> --------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:37:36 -0500 From: "D&T WHEELER" <DWHEELER@pathway.net> Subject: @$#(&*!!! To: "Numan Digest" <numan@cs.uwp.edu> In reply to... Is it just me or has this Digest become just a TAD BORING lately? I find endless discussions about old releases and questions of missing tracks and whether or not Gaz is committed to his music and which album I like best and whether Blondie used the same Goddamn percussion pattern and Roche and valerium and bleedin' Whatney's Red Barrel is sooooooo boring ... worse than watching the TV test pattern! I release that the Digest is the only place for such dross but Jesus H. Christ on a bicycle it really fucking numbs my brain! I want distraction not irrelevant gibberish. Come on maybe it's time to liven this thing up. Any suggestions from the other Digest live-wires? The TikTok Man I guess I am one of the ones who numbs your brains. SOOOOOO sorry you don't like what we have to say or ask, so maybe you should start your own digest of old, has-been, sarcastic, better-than-everyone-else "fans"... or better yet, learn to skim through the gibberish that SOOOOO displeases you, like everyone else does. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:34:32 +0000 From: "Turner, Daniel" <Daniel.Turner@tfseur.co.uk> Subject: Asylum Merchandise To: "'numan@cs.uwp.edu'" <numan@cs.uwp.edu> I'd just like to tell Phil Marsh to shut this trap unless he knows what he's talking about, especially as he has never ordered from Asylum Merchandise in his life! So just tell me Phil, who are these people who never received their orders? Names please, we'd all like to know? I can tell you about the two hundred people who have received their orders and are delighted about them too but I probably haven't got the space. Yes we do sell bootlegs, why hide from it?, although they probably only take up about 3% of our list. And whats wrong with bootlegs anyway, the Depeche Mode fan club positively endorse them!. When I was a collector I loved bootlegs. Unfortunately, Phil's got a little grudge about us, I won't tell them what it is Phil because it's so childish everyone would probably fall about laughing. Asylum doesn't need endorsement from anyone, and your petty, uninformed comments will not make the slightest difference to hundreds of already loyal members on our mailing list who we look after as best we can! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 16:44:39 +0000 From: "Michael J. Damrath" <damrat@earthlink.net> Subject: Boring? Not for me! To: Gary Numan <numan@cs.uwp.edu> I have to take issue with Peter 'TikTok' Enright from Digest #482: >Is it just me or has this Digest become just a TAD BORING lately? I find ... >I want distraction not irrelevant gibberish. Come on maybe it's time to liven >this thing up. Any suggestions from the other Digest live-wires? I wholeheartedly disagree. The current lines of discussion beat the living shit out of religeous debates, pissing contests, and general bad tempered nastiness. I WANT to hear from other Numan FANS. I WANT to hear them talk about what they LIKE about Numan's music. I want to hear about what's happening in the future from some of the connected people like Rod Reynolds and Derek Langsford. I LOVED hearing everyone else's reactions to the live shows across North America and Europe. Keep up the good work everyone, I for one have actually enjoyed reading the Digest lately, as compared to the not-to-distant past when it was all ugly argument and name calling. Mike Damrath damrat@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~damrat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:36:07 EST From: Dinky1002@aol.com Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #482 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu In a message dated 10/31/98 11:13:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, numan@cs.uwp.edu writes: << bj: Gary Numan Digest V1 #482 >> did everyone wish gary's biggest fan, crawfish 69@aol.com, a big happy birthday?? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:49:42 -0500 (EST) From: brezniakdavid@webtv.net (David Brezniak) Subject: Late? To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hi Gang!! Long time no see from me, huh? Just wanted to share this in case some of you don't know about it: New Releases at CDZone: >New Release 13 Nov 1998 Numan Gary: >Nicholson/Numan 1987/94 (Audio CD) >SPINCD2005 New Addition =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 >Numan Gary: Outland (Cassette) >EIRSAC13077 ><http://www.cdzone.co.uk> Little late, aren't we, Mr. Nicholson?? :-) I'm gonna order a copy and see what happens.. What's up with the Outland cassette? Anyone know? See you soon. Cheers. Dave Brezniak ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 03:49:59 -0500 From: Ken <Numaniac@gamewood.net> Subject: My Favorite Lyric To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello All! Most all of Garys lyrics are incredible. But I believe my favorite line of all time is, "This is love/ This is pain disguised as a dream"! That is so profound! Love IS pain disguised as a dream. (As far as I'm concerned.) Take Care all! Ken Gary Numan Tribute Site___________________________ __<http://www.gamewood.net/~kbhb/index.htm> --------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 20:42:19 +-1100 From: Martin Purvis <purvism@syd.switch.net.au> Subject: Nose-picking guitarist To: "'Gary Numan Digest'" <numan@cs.uwp.edu> In the paperback edition of Praying to the Aliens, Gary praises Steve Harris for his energy during the various Exile tours. He contrasts Steve's effort with that of an unnamed predecessor : "In the past when I'd look over at one of my guitarists one hand would be in his pocket, the other picking his nose. It's very hard to vibe at that." It's a shame that Gary doesn't name the offender. Enquiring minds want to know. And so does that lump of mush that passes for my mind. So I decided to have a poll on my Outland website (http://outland.digitalchainsaw.com/), to see who most people think is the man who was born to booger. Whose finger is more familiar with his septum than his plectrum? Who was caught green handed? The candidates are : Rrussell Bell Kipper Rob Harris Keith Beauvais Email me your vote at purvism@mpx.com.au , or better still, visit Outland and vote from there, 'cos I need the hits. I will publish the votes every few days, and after a reasonable period I will email the result to Gary, in the hope that he will confirm whether or not we picked the right nose. Martin "I'm in Outland, I'll take the piss out of anything" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 23:35:22 -0800 From: Derek Langsford <dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu> Subject: Numan/Nicholson - a better price To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Looking at Cheap or What (http://www.cow.co.uk) and searching under Nicholson I came across: NICHOLSON - NUMAN 1987 P-SPINCD2005 CD 11.90 That's Eleven pounds ninety pence. With mailing to North America you are looking at around $20. Far less than CDNow's $31 + tax + mailing (i.e. over $35). I cannot nderstand how CDNOw can justify such prices - yeash! Derek (a customer of CDNow only when he gets a discount :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek Langsford Ph.D. Environmental Management Specialist County of San Diego, Dept. of Planning and Land Use 5201 Ruffin Road, Ste. B San Diego, CA 92123 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:43:02 GMT0BST From: "James Chapman" <James.Chapman@newcastle.ac.uk> Subject: Numan for sale To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Anyone interested in buying 3 BB 2CD packs? They are: First album/Dance BEGA CD 151 Replicas/The Plan BEGA CD 152 The Pleasure Principle/Warriors BEGA CD 153 All are in good condition. I'm not asking for mega-bucks here. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 09:50:53 -0500 From: "Terrence Thoman" <tthoman@cceb.upenn.edu> Subject: Numan mention To: Gary Numan Digest <numan@cs.uwp.edu> The following is an excerpt from the Oct 28 issue of Philadelphia Weekly newspaper which mentions Gary. The article is from 'The Local Scene' section written by Mark Ginsburg and this part is reviewing a new album from a New Jersey band called 'Probe'. ...Keyboard lines range from The Cars to Howard Jones to ABC. The haunting or jaunty or sappy tone of the tracks on 'User Friendly' (Trajectory) is borrowed directly from artists like the Human League, Berlin and The Fixx. Sadly, Probe did not have the good sense to borrow from some of the better electronic music of the time, i.e., Kraftwerk, Devo or Gary Numan. Otherwise, 'User Friendly' might have been a worthwhile listen.... Not much, but good press is better than no press and any press has been difficult to find in this area until the past year or so. Terrence ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:03:09 GMT0BST From: "James Chapman" <James.Chapman@newcastle.ac.uk> Subject: Numan vinyl To: numan@cs.uwp.edu i have some unusual things I noticed about some Numan vinyl I recently bought from a 2nd hand shop. I, Assassin- the actual label on the record itself is blue-and black striped and says "Gary Numan" and "Dance" in the style of writing like on the Dance cover, but below it says "I, Assassin" in a different font to the cover, with the track listing. I thought it was very wierd that it said Dance and I, Assassin on the same record. Is this a rare mispressing? Living ornaments 1980-both sides of the record are labelled "side 2". Is this a rare mispressing? The Fury- I read on a recent digest that the first few copies pressed have a pink picture of Gary rather than the more common black and white. This one has a pink picture. How rare exactly is this? I need to know-have I stumbled across some collectors items very cheaply or not? I have only been into Numan for just over a year so I won't know about these things. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:38:21 -0700 From: "s. payton" <angst81@ix.netcom.com> Subject: observer midi file To: numan@cs.uwp.edu hi. i just finished my second numan midi file, "observer". let me know of any problems you encounter. you can get it here: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/3581/observe.zip in some surprising news, a local denver music video show "teletunes" has played the "dominion day" video twice in two shows. and the dominion day single was at the local best buy. btw, anyone catch the nin samples from "closer (precursor)" in the 20th anniversary verison of "voix"???? "i could observer you all" sean ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 11:10:57 +0000 From: Andy McHaffie <amchaffie@meto.gov.uk> Subject: Poll latest - Tuesday 3 Nov 98 To: Numan Digest <numan@cs.uwp.edu> The web-based Numan poll seems to have been more succesful since it has been restarted. Find it and vote at http://www.best.com/~drumz/mp With the 1st 11 votes in, the top 10 looks like this: 1= Strange Charm 1= Down In The Park 3. Bleed 4. Dark 5. Metal 6= I'm An Agent 6= Noise Noise 6= Are Friends Electric 6= Remind Me To Smile 10 A Question Of Faith 208 The Need 209 Poison 210 Generator Album Rankings stand at: 1. Sacrifice 2. The Pleasure Principle 3. Replicas 4. Exile 15. The Plan 16. Machine And Soul See the full list and vote at http://www.best.com/~drumz/mp/ -- http://www.joekeith.dircon.co.uk/mouthfull.html -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 00:34:02 +0000 From: Mark Pearson <markp@east89a.demon.co.uk> Subject: R/e ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hey Pete, Listen Man, I fully agree but take heart, at least we have had three full = weeks without some tosser banging on about homo-erotic lyrics.=20 Let's face it, I was into Numan from day one but I ran out of things to = talk about regarding him and his music years ago.=20 Oh, tell ya what drives me nuts, people who add lyrics to the end of their = postings. Why do that????? Luv on Y'all Axeman. "Nothing is new these days !!!" (Whoops, Damn, F^$k, S*&t.........)= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:44:35 GMT0BST From: "James Chapman" <James.Chapman@newcastle.ac.uk> Subject: Sharpe+Numan To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I accidentally deleted Thursday's digest, but to whoever it was who was doing CD copies of Sharpe+Numan, I am interested. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 01:56:24 -0700 From: "Joey Lindstrom" <joey@lindstrom.com> Subject: This Wreckage ain't shite! To: "Gary Numan" <numan@cs.uwp.edu> On Sun, 1 Nov 98 01:00:02 CST, JMC wrote: >I have to agree with Alec Way, Martin Purvis and 5 out of the 6 Keebler >Elves in asking; what's with all the slagging of 'This Wreckage'? and >what if god's dead? Have we done something wrong? Why I do I like it? >I need to, I need to..... I agree - the song's pretty good. I wouldn't put it on my top-ten list of Numan songs but it's not the piece of shite people here have been saying it is. Last week it appeared on my Webbsite (in RealAudio) as the "Song Of The Week". Y'all can blame Sam Warren in NYC for that choice. :-) Anyways, I had THREE different people email me demanding that I remove it!!! I told 'em each that I couldn't, and if they had a problem with the Song Of The Week selections they could bloody well email in their own choices to show the world what a *GOOD* song is. :-) Well, in THEIR opinion. :-) / From Joey Lindstrom joey@lindstrom.com / Interocitor Dot Net http://www.interocitor.net / / The Stones, I love the Stones. I watch them whenever I can. / Fred, Barney... / --Steven Wright ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:00:07 -0000 From: "downstat" <downstat@saqnet.co.uk> Subject: tik tok tik tok tik tok tik tok To: "Gary Numan" <numan@cs.uwp.edu> > From: "Peter Enright" <peter.enright@co.ru> > Subject: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ > Reuters (Ashgabat, Turkmenistan) > > Is it just me or has this Digest become just a TAD BORING lately? > The TikTok Man > Tarting around Turkmenistan > (Check your Atlas stupid!) Ha ha ha. Very ironic. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:33:57 -0000 From: "Barry" <Bash676@10alpha.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Unfortunate cancellation To: "Gary Numan" <numan@cs.uwp.edu> My apologies, but unfortunately I am unable to receive any more Numan digests as I no longer have access to the internet. I would like to say, however, how much I have enjoyed reading the digests and I hope that it can continue other fans. Thanks again. Yours Formerly JetBaz@msn.com -----Original Message----- From: numan-request@cs.uwp.edu [mailto:numan-request@cs.uwp.edu] On Behalf Of numan@cs.uwp.edu Sent: 01 November 1998 07:00 To: datta@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #482 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:06:42 EST From: Valerium@aol.com Subject: Valerium To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Page 45, paragraph 5, line 4, word 11, Ray Colemans authorised biog. from 1982 -- VALERIUM I thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 08:12:53 -0800 From: alec way <errora@earthlink.net> Subject: What is the purpose of the Gary Numan Digest? To: numan@cs.uwp.edu In Gary Numan Digest V1 #482, TikTok Man's claim that the Digest is boring ("worse than watching the TV test pattern! I release that the Digest is the only place for such dross but Jesus H. Christ on a bicycle it really fucking numbs my brain!") is as cleverly written as it is true. For a long time I've felt the same way. Then it occured to me--what else are we going to talk about? We're not allowed to go off into tangents because they're not Numan-oriented enough and people seem to develop a scorpians-in-the-underwear problem. So what do we have left? "What's your fave/least fave NUMAN track/album/era?"; "What is NUMAN like?"; "Gemma"; "the '80s vs '90s as they relate to NUMAN"; "NUMAN 'n Goth"; "Equipment"; "Homosexual lyrics"; "lyrics"; "Why I'm a cooler NUMAN fan than you"; "My website/your website". After that, there's not a lot to say. I liked the Valium tangent because at least it was, in a small way, close to various subjects that interest ME. Some opinions on tangential subjects: the Christian tangent was lame because there was very little dialogue; the homosexual one I found interesting but dead-end by its very nature ("I'm offended by/neutral on the subject of/enthusiastic about implied homosexuality in the lyrics"). It seems the fate of all such lists, be they centered around Numan, or Thomas Pynchon for that matter. The Brian Eno one (NerveNet) is more varied in subject matter than this one AND it's less frequent with less quantity but ends up falling into the same trap and it's no-one's fault. I'm sure watchers of the Royals or the whales or the birds eventually find each other's opinions a yawnfest. What is the point of this Digest? I see it as a forum for like-minded individuals. Therefore, I wish it would digress, go off into tangents for ever and ever. Conversations that drone on and on in a very narrow way can't last too long. What I initially enjoyed about Gary Numan's melodies, lyrics, images were their combined ability to make me think about many different things like philosophy, spirituality, ways of living, planet earth. I say have patience because the occasional nugget will pass through, like rare sought after goodies for sale, if that's your interest. I'm glad The Numan Digest is here. I stopped subscribing for a time because I had assumed I was bored to death but I eventually found I missed my bi-weekly test pattern. Come to think of it, Numan-oriented test patterns are better than many other things available to netters. I thought that The Digest Asks Gary portion was pretty worthwhile, for example, but it seems to be in permafrost. Best, AWA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:40:59 -0600 From: Valerie Iglar-Mobley <iglarmobley@earthlink.net> Subject: yes, it is boring To: Peter Enright <peter.enright@co.ru> Dear Peter, I agree. The Digest has become boring over the past few weeks. We seem bogged down in discussing minor details about our hero's music, instead of sharing anything substantial or interesting. I think part of that is because some Digesters want to avoid any kind of disagreement or controversy. I think discussions of religious views or homoeroticism are probably the most vital and challenging exchanges one is likely to find on any artist-related site, but apparently we're supposed to avoid them... to leave room for seventeen or so posts about what "Roche 5" means. Not that those posts are going to lead to any discussions themselves. If we were to then follow that up with a discussion of drug use themes in Gary's music-- that would be interesting. But, again, it would be controversial, so I think we have to avoid that, too. It's also frustrating to me to see so much negativity going on, toward each other and even toward the man himself. Isn't this supposed to be a fan site? I think taking a poll to find out the most hated Gary songs is extremely petty. And calling Gary a "lazy bastard" I'm sure will be quite helpful to him in his career. When I signed onto the Digest half a year ago, it was touted as a site where Gary occasionally makes an appearance to answer questions. I've yet to see any posts from him. Someone posted a quote from him in which he said he doesn't even read the Digest because there's so much negativity abuot him. I certainly don't blame him for making that decision, but personally I feel disappointed. It seems like we should be celebrating right now. Some Digests ago, I wrote that I wasn't sure whether we were in a Gary renaissance or a last hurrah. Either way-- whether we've finally reached the sea or just an oasis-- we're definitely out of the desert. I feel like taking a swim. So, on that note, I am going to offer THE definitive career move Gary needs to make at this point to cement his return to success. Are you ready, fellow noids? Despite my complaints about 'Remodulate', I think what would really give him a boost right now is... another compilation. [Okay, let's pause here for a moment to let all the groaning subside.] Not just another mix of various songs, though, I mean another singles collection, the follow-up to 'Premier Hits'. Think about it, Eagle/Cleo only have access to the Numa catalog, and the 'Premier Hits' disc stops exactly short of there. It's a perfect opportunity. They could compile onto one disc all the singles he's had since (minus the ones from 'Metal Rhythm' and 'Outland' I suppose, for copyright reasons). If they were track-listed in chronological order, it would make a nice roadmap of his recent music, particularly if the booklet listed their respective albums, with maybe a minor plug for each. The general public loves these 'best of's. I was in a strip mall music store last night, and 'Premier Hits' was the one title they had by Gary. And with the holiday season looming, given that such a disc would require no new remastering or recording, this would seem like a perfect opportunity to break into the broader market. It could include the single versions of "New Thing From London Town" and "Absolution" to give it some distinction, but just imagine: a compilation without "Cars", "Are 'Friends' Electric?" or "Down In The Park"! I get goosebumps just thinking about it. [Okay, okay, okay. If the studioheads just can't bring themselves to abstain like that, they could include the JLAB version of "Cars" off 'The Mix'-- since that's had a kind of 'single' release on that dance compilation I mentioned-- though I think the Spahn Ranch version would be the more adventurous choice.] If the disc were actually marketed as the follow-up to 'Premier', and had a color photo cover-- instead of all the muddy and dark black and whites we keep seeing-- such a disc could actually do pretty well. [My vote is for the picture used in the Pulse! article about indie labels, you know, where he's standing in the tube. It having appeared in that magazine already would give the album a kind of retrofit publicity plug.] And, since it's all material that has already been remastered for rerelease, if it could be turned around in time for the holiday I can actually imagine it bringing a slew of new noids on board. The topper for my holiday wish list: make this happen, Rod Reynolds! Lots of love to all, Benjamin Iglar-Mobley --proud member of 'Boys Like Us' *** "Rewind, cry, well it's somewhere to go." ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************