Gary Numan Digest Sun, 6 Dec 98 Volume 1 : Issue 492 Today's Topics: Any more Paul Gardiner Information anyone ? belated hello Cleopatra fart... erm, I mean 'art' complaints Don't slag Rod Reynolds Exile extended Extended Exile Faulty Exile ext hmmm... Interetsing idea about this digest (2 msgs) Knockin' Boots to Numan Results remove THE GARY NUMAN FAN PROJECT Xmas album ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:13:02 -0000 From: "Mark" <zenn@x-stream.co.uk> Subject: Any more Paul Gardiner Information anyone ? To: "Gary Numan" <numan@cs.uwp.edu> Hello everyone, =20 I am still looking for anyone who has any ' Paul Gardiner' information = for my Paul Gardiner tribute web page. i have been trying to collect enough original information about Paul, = with limited sucess. Anyone who could help please contact me please, it is Time Paul was = honoured for the Genius he was. or does anyone have any (helpful) suggestions please. =20 Thanks - =20 Mark PS - If " Donald B " is out there still, please e-mail me - (Frank = still has'nt replied ) i used to be mark@jdrs.demon.co.uk=20 but i'm now zenn@x-stream.co.uk =20 Blackburn, Lancashire =20 'There's No Sense' - Paul Gardiner. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:55:39 -0500 From: "Ross Bennett Brown" <ross@rpsi.com> Subject: belated hello To: numan@cs.uwp.edu okay, when i first subscribed i was asked to introduce myself. the specifics are perhaps not especially vital but they look somewhat like this: gloriously, happily married to the perfect woman, 2 magical children, 36 years old, just bought 1st house in a boston suburb, in grad school for an MS in finance, sales exec for software group, fortunate to do a good amount of fabulous international travel although the time away from my family is somewhat painful. i leave this sunday for geneva and from there go to reykjavik. yes, very cool but a week away is pretty sucky. re: how long i've listened to gn, other than hearing "cars" on am radio in the late 70s (for the younger folks on the list, am used to be the only clear signal and that's where the music lived,) i was in college 80-84 and absolutely devoured all of the numan i could get my hands on. stuff like telekon was especially good for me at the time, confused, depressed, etc as i was. i found dance, when released, to be one of the most lush and lovely things i had ever heard. at that time i was heavy into bowie, had been so since the 6th grade (around 1972) because my sister, 3 years older than me turned me on to him. other music in college was everything from the clash, sex pistols, etc to indie pop bands to the grateful dead to eric satie. oh, lots of husker du. absolutely no show tunes and no country, damn it. today i'm heavy into the likes of my bloody valentine, although i hold little hope that the next album will ever come, stereolab, as well as led zeppelin, tool, whatever. i've been on the list for a while now and haven't written. so why am i now so inspired. a wonderful thing. i have for years sought the early numan catalog on CD to no avail. all i've found have been these japanese released compilation things with some songs from a couple of the albums combined but never the entire original album in the original form. about a week ago i was in newbury comics and found tubeway army, replicas, pleasure principle, and telekon. i bought telekon, saving the others for next week. i must have listened to it about 25 times so far and it's even more exciting than i remembered. so, while i may not have added any value to the list, it was my hope to share a small anecdote. i joined the list hoping to hear that these albums were finally issued on disc. i never have the time to read the whole digest and i have no idea when these releases occurred but, man, am i happy. cheers. ps, don't know much about the catalog after i assassin, which at the time of release i found to be a bit weaker that any of the others. i haven't taken a chance on any of the work since, although the stuff i heard from exile on the official web site was quite good. any recommendations of work since i assassin? anything i should avoid? thanks. ---x---x---x---x---x---x---x---x---x---x---x---x---x---x---x---x---x---x--- Ross Bennett Brown mailto:ross.brown@barra.com BARRA ERM (508) 870-0070 1500 West Park Dr (508) 870-0090 (fax) Suite 370 Westboro, MA 01581 http://www.barra.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:11:20 -0800 (PST) From: "J. Mark Stanton" <xuvetyn@yahoo.com> Subject: Cleopatra fart... erm, I mean 'art' To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I have to add my name to the ranks of unhappy Cleovictims. I was hoping that Cleopatra could steer away from the Numan legacy of bad cover art but they seem intent on pushing it to new depths. I was so disgusted with "The Fury" cover art that I honored Cleopatra with on of my first ever "complaint-emails". I tried to be diplomatic but I didn't really want to be. Cleopatra responded, though not really that thoughtfully. Here's my letter and their response at the very end: >>>>>BEGINNING OF FORWARDED MESSAGE <<<<< >Cleopatra, > >First, I would like to thank you for releasing and promoting Gary Numan >records in the US. > >Unfortunately, I have to offer some criticism. I was keeping my mouth >shut up until now because most of what I had to say was subjective... >but now it's moved beyond that. > >I recently purchased your re-release of "The Fury" which has an >excellent track listing on it. Unfortunately, the graphics were the >last straw. The typography on this CD cover is unquestionably >unprofessional. The kerning (letter spacing) on the front cover type is >horrendous. > >On the subjective side, I've noticed poor type choices on all of your >Numan releases. The original artwork layouts from Cleopatra have also >been marginal at best. > >I apologize for being so harsh but Gary Numan has already had his share >of bad cover art and I was hoping that Cleopatra would do something to >alter that legacy as Eagle has (the Dominion Day cover is one of Numan's >finest). I'm only offering these criticisms in the hopes of making >things better. > >I will continue to support Cleopatra's efforts in promoting Gary Numan >and I will buy whatever you release under his name, I just want to be >happy with what I buy. > >Thank you for your time, > >Mark. > > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Sorry. -k >>>>>>END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE FROM CLEOPATRA <<<<< Not a very exciting response. Not very exiting artwork. Mark _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:30:28 GMT0BST From: "James Chapman" <James.Chapman@newcastle.ac.uk> Subject: complaints To: numan@cs.uwp.edu To the people moaning about all the reissues and compilations, I have one message for you: IF YOU DON'T WANT THEM, DON'T BUY THEM !! You are not under any obligation to but a Numan release, what a load of rubbish! They put them out so people who do want them buy them! I have 3 different CDs of "The Fury" and I feel as though I couldn't do without any of them. I sort of felt a bit like that about the new BB rereleases as well, but now I have them, I'm very happy with them. Having said that, seeing stuff like the new Fury reissue and Remodulate, I wish Cleopatra would put all the rare or new-to-CD tracks on one compilation, a bit like the Pet Shop Boys' "Alternative" album. But they are a business who are trying to interest new fans, while putting on rare tracks to try and attract the hardcore fan, not a hardcore fan charity. They are just trying to make money, like any record company or any business would. James ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- "And Ralf Schumacher is the son of double world champion, Michael Schumacher Murray Walker, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:40:32 -0800 From: Ian David Golder <iandg@wenet.net> Subject: Don't slag Rod Reynolds To: numan@cs.uwp.edu > ... i am sick to death of these half ass efforts that Rod Reynolds puts into the > cover art for the cleopatra reissues ... they look like bootlegs for fucks sake. Rod Reynolds is doing a GREAT job of posting to this digest to let us know what is going on at Cleopatra Records. He also sounds like he's the only Numan FAN working for Cleopatra, our lone advocate in an industry that seems only to care about milking fans rather than promoting and nurturing Gary Numan. And for that, I am grateful to Rod. As for his artistic abilities, having skipped art school I really don't feel qualified to comment, but he could draw the CD covers with a crayon for all I care. -Ian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:13:34 GMT0BST From: "James Chapman" <James.Chapman@newcastle.ac.uk> Subject: Exile extended To: numan@cs.uwp.edu The Exile extended album came yesterday and I can't say I'm too thrilled about it. The extensions of Dark, where it goes quiet again after the first chorus, and The Angel Wars which has some cool instrumental breaks are really great, and so is Dominion Day with certain instruments taken out of the first verse and second chorus, but that one was familiar from the single. They all have a whole new element to the song. But-all the rest don't do very much for me unfortunately. They just seem to have longer running times and therefore border on boredom territory, even though I like a lot of the originals. Saying that, it will be great for people who want to wallow in the mood of Exile for 74 minutes. However, it's not one of my favourites-I think it's good but not great, and I simply can't agree with all those who think it's the best album in the whole world. I prefer Sacrifice, Berserker, Strange Charm or Telekon any day. I think paying stlg13.99 for two really great new tracks is a bit much, but I couldn't do without those two tracks! I can't say that the sound quality is all that wonderful, either. And what is that order form that came with it comprising of all the NUMA back catalogue, with some crossed out (out of stock, I guess)? I thought all of it was deleted over a year ago. Does this mean I can still get Sacrifice extended ? And what are "Images 11", "The Radial Pair", and the "Dream Corrosion" single ? James ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- "And Ralf Schumacher is the son of double world champion, Michael Schumacher Murray Walker, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:07:39 +0100 From: DE VISSCHER Luc <luc.devisscher@bfeurope.com> Subject: Extended Exile To: NUMAN Digest <numan@cs.uwp.edu> Hi collective, Hmmm, "collective". Sounds like The Borg (RESISTANCE IS FUTILE) from Star Trek. Got the Extended Exile, and I have to say I like/don't like it at the same time. It's a bit like the Extended Sacrifice. Whilst some songs do not need at all to be Extended (I think the extendend angel wars is pretty boring), some extended version are more like a remix (dominion day is the perfect example). Have also improved: Darg, Alien cure. But does anyone think there was a need to extend "Exile", the best track Numan has made since...1988 (Devious from Metal Rhythm)? So, that's my little opinion on the subject. Best regards, Luc DE VISSCHER THE NUMAN FACTOR-Belgium luc.devisscher@bfeurope.com TEL +32.2.714.68.15 FAX +32.2.714.68.19 GSM +32.75.680.560 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:51:51 +0000 From: Andy McHaffie <amchaffie@meto.gov.uk> Subject: Faulty Exile ext To: Gary Numan <numan@cs.uwp.edu> OK, so I have my extended Exile....however, its a bummer. The album's great, although Ive only heard about 4 tracks off it, but The Angel Wars and An Alien Cure both jump.. Has anyone else got this problem, or do I just have one dodgy copy ? Andy -- Boys Like Us -- http://www.joekeith.dircon.co.uk/mouthfull.html -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:37:46 -0800 From: Brett Lynch <tardis@coffeenet.net> Subject: hmmm... To: numan@cs.uwp.edu First let me say off the bat that allthough I've been secretly reading on the digest for some time, its taken till now to post mainly for this sole reason: CHRISTMAS ALBUM, what a smashing idea!!!! Gary covering old christmas tunes would be sweet. His cover of on broadway is so perfect with the long synth solo, I really go into a daze when I play it. Secondly, I wanted to find out if The Bay Area fans were interested in having a numan party, I remember some time ago someone was trying to have one but last I heard it fell through. Later, B. Lynch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 15:31:50 +0000 From: Andy McHaffie <amchaffie@meto.gov.uk> Subject: Interetsing idea about this digest To: Numan Digest <numan@cs.uwp.edu> Got this email as a reply to my objections about someone using the digest to try to sell non-Numan related bootlegs. Perhaps its a good idea to clarify the purpose of this digest. As far as Im cnocerned its for posts relating to Gary Numan and related subjects exclusively. Would that be correct ? "the beauty of a 1st generation copy is the fact that it looks like the original & there's basically no difference. accepting blank tapes to put them on is a joke. if people don't know how to make money the internet, than people are nothing but fools. i supply the tapes & pay for the shipping. by the way, the numan digest is not only for listing numan stuff, it's for numan & other interests as well. what kind of a fan are you anyway? i probably have more numan stuff than you & i'm in the usa for christ sake." I didnt realise I could babble on about any other of my interests in here..Anyone wanna buy a bike ? Good condition, but the front wheel needs replaced, and the 4th gear is dodgy.. . (only kidding) As for the closing comment...words fail me. Andy -- http://www.joekeith.dircon.co.uk/mouthfull.html -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 06:42:21 -0600 From: datta@cs.uwp.edu (David Datta) Subject: Interetsing idea about this digest To: numan@cs.uwp.edu } digest to try to sell non-Numan related bootlegs. Perhaps its a good } idea to clarify the purpose of this digest. As far as Im cnocerned its } for posts relating to Gary Numan and related subjects exclusively. Would } that be correct ? You are absolutely correct, here is the excerpt from the intro letter: A description of suitable subjects for the mailing list is given below. CHARTER FOR NUMANEWS - the Gary Numan mailing list --------------------------------------------------- This list is for the purpose of the acquisition and dissemination of info about Gary Numan. Suitable material should have some connection with Gary or his music. This includes info on new releases, concerts, reviews, sightings of Numan collectibles, sale of or requests for Numan items, reports of radio play, interviews, discussion of available releases, critiques of past releases, Numan trivia, other Numan Fan organisations/publications, musical influences, musical influencees, artists with some connection to Gary Numan (collaborators, others on his NUMA label, past backing band members etc): basically anything that can be seen to have relevance to the group. Discussion of other 80's synth artists should be left for other mailing lists/newsgroups if no relation to Gary is an integral part of the contribution. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:12:49 EST From: Hopey77@aol.com Subject: Knockin' Boots to Numan Results To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Well! I was surprised by the responses to my sexy question (especially Tik Tok's - hey, babe, send me a first class weekend round trip ticket to Moscow...). My answer? First side to "Dance". Someone else said that too. "Please Push No More" made me laugh out loud - it just sez "get offa me you fool!". Thanks for the interest and fun replies. Hopey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 16:36:07 PST From: "William Wilson" <flashheart@hotmail.com> Subject: remove To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hi! Gang, I'm sorry to have to say but I am moving house and have to leave the computer with my landlord(well it IS his puter),so I have to go off line for a while so it is with great regret that i have to cancel my subscription to the digest.I have had many a good discussion here and enjoyed reading what other people get from Gary's music.Before I go I must add my personal favs for all you regulars to compare. fav album:-Telekon(changes sometimes) fav single:-Question of faith least fav album:-Automatic least fav single:-Heart fav support act:-tie between freak UK. and tik and tok least fav support act:-Bis well all there is left for me now is to say goodbye,it's been a blast and hope to be back soon. take care all William Wilson (Glasgow Crazie) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 12:06:01 -0800 From: Gregor Torrence <gregor@europa.com> Subject: THE GARY NUMAN FAN PROJECT To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) On 11 Nov 1998, Harper David wrote: >Since the Gary Numan Fan Project appears to be a dead and buried subject, as >a contributor I would be willing to swap tapes with any other contributor as >I am still interested in hearing what might and could have been... Trading tapes sounds like a lot of work, so my contribution is now available to all on-line. You can preview it in RealAudio and, if you like it, you can download an MP3 and hear it in all its glory . http://www.europa.com/~gregor/JoTheWaiter.html The song is Jo The Waiter, and I have two versions you can choose from. Neither sound anything like the original. My friend Sparrow does the singing, so you won't have to put up with my voice. Maybe we contributors could convert all of the songs to MP3 and post them on a site. I'd volunteer mine, but I can only have 10 Meg of stuff on my website. All of the contributions would take 30 to 50 Meg. Cheers, Greg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:15:39 +1100 From: Martin Purvis <purvism@mpx.com.au> Subject: Xmas album To: "'Gary Numan Digest'" <numan@cs.uwp.edu> The Numan Christmas album is a great idea. The problem is, everything record is always so delayed that it probably wouldn't be available until at least May. ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************