Gary Numan Digest Thu, 10 Dec 98 Volume 1 : Issue 493 Today's Topics: Aircrash Bureau Can't always measure success in units of art... Cleopatra Ghost re-issue Cleopatra re-releases conan debate topic Faulty Ext Exile For Sale Items Gary Numan Christmas Album Gary Numan Digest V1 #492 Gary Numan Fan Projekt Micromusic Missing Numanoid New Member Noise Noise Moves numan 4 sale NumanBoy's Christmas List Numan covers album Numan Fan Of The Year Praying to the Aliens Radioheart CD sex sex sex sex sex sex sex Song Of The Week Sound quality of Exile Extended - help needed Telekon CD under fire Whats wrong with ROd ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:39:43 -0000 From: "David Ellison" <NUMANBOY@PRODIGY.NET> Subject: Aircrash Bureau To: "Gary Numan" <> I was sorting through my collection of 12' LPs and found something I had forgotten about (since it wasn't filed under Numan). It's a 12" single by a band called Aircrash Bureau. "Exhibition" b/w "Machine" Zoth Ommog Label (no date but I acquired it 1994/95) "Machine" is actually "Steel and You"!!!! But NO credit is given to Gary Numan! They take full credit for the song (Published by ICM/Warner Chappel). Has anyone heard this song or this band? Actually very good, if you like Front 242. which I do, a lot. Did this cause any controversy with Gary? Zoth Ommog is a big German Industrial label so I doubt this went un-noticed. Cheers! David a.k.a. NumanBoy (1998 Gary Numan Fan of the Year???) Proud Member of Boys Like Us ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 14:02:41 -0500 From: Scott Gibbons <> Subject: Can't always measure success in units of art... To: (Gary Numan) > ... i am sick to death of these half ass efforts that Rod Reynolds puts >into the > cover art for the cleopatra reissues ... they look like bootlegs for >fucks sake. Undoubtedly, BB has done the most incredible job at re-releasing the back catalog (I Assasin & Dance next _please!_). The remasters sound unf*ckingbelievable and were actually THE listening experience that convinced me that CD's could sound as good if not better than vinyl. THANK YOU BB!! Cleopatra's re-released some of Numan's least interesting albums imho, but I'm very pleased that somebody cares to do it at all, and above all else I'm very thankful to Cleopatra (or Rod, whoever) for their involvement in bringing Numan to the US. I never thought I'd see the man in a live show unless I crossed the ocean. Yeehaw! Yeah, they could do better with the art and with the mastering if you ask me, but they've turned on the whole US Goth crowd to Numan which is worth something (royalties in Gazza's pocket if nothing else, hee hee). - Scott -------------------- Scott Gibbons ADAM &-THE ANTZ <> LILITH <> ORBITRONIK <> STRAWBERRY <> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 02:12:48 -0800 From: (rod reynolds) Subject: Cleopatra Ghost re-issue To: Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:10:30 -0600 From: Jeff Tolva <> Subject: "Ghost" CD reissue??? >Does anyone know if Cleopatra has any intention of reissuing the double >live "Ghost" CD from the 1987 Exhibition tour? It was part of the Numa >back catalog which Eagle Records supposably now owns with the record deal, >but I was wondering if Cleopatra plans on reissuing it on double CD as they >did with "White Noise". Anyone know? >Jeff Tolva (The Machman) Hello. After the Berserker re-issue comes out (probably March or April 1999) the playing field is open. I was planning on doing Strange Charm next, but I have no idea as to what bonus tracks to include or anything at this point. I could possibly put out Ghost next (no bonus tracks available apparently) and _then_ Strange Charm... Also I am going to propose the Singles and Covers concepts, which to be honest... seems unlikely at this point. (Don't we all moan at the thought of yet another Numan compilation?!) In theory by then we should have a new album which would take priority. But you never know. Opinions? Suggestions? Let me know. Best wishes, Rod Los Angeles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:45:26 -0000 From: "downstat" <> Subject: Cleopatra re-releases To: "Gary Numan" <> James Chapman said: > To the people moaning about all the reissues and compilations, I > have one message for you: > > IF YOU DON'T WANT THEM, DON'T BUY THEM !! > True. But this is not a case of completists moaning that they are having to spend a small fortune in buying all these releases. It is rather a fear that these releases will end up devaluing Gary's work. In the U.S Gary is starting to get some good press coverage. This will encourage people into the record shops to browse through the Numan section. The question is, at this stage, do we really want them to pick up The Fury or White Noise? Even if they are not put off by the cover art, will they be put off by the music when they get home? Wouldn't we rather, at this sensitive stage, that they be faced with a few quality releases (ie the BB re-releases, Exile, and Premier Hits)? Re-releasing endless albums and compilations is a short term strategy by Cleopatra to make money from existing fans. Sure, it satisfies *our* immediate needs, but it won't help GN attract new fans in the long run. And in the long run, that won't help us either. Austin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 07:16:28 PST From: "Jenny Beck" <> Subject: conan To: so did conan have a segment on GARY NUMAN or what>>>??? no one answered me!!!!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 02:52:40 +0800 From: Jean Burgess <> Subject: debate topic To: Gary Numan <> Hi I thought you might like to get into a debate, so here's the topic: "Numanoids are supahumanoids" Rules: No digester is permitted to rebut their own arguments Gloves must be worn at all times. I'm off, Jean ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 09:50:38 +0000 From: Andy McHaffie <> Subject: Faulty Ext Exile To: Gary Numan <> Panic over - my mistake ! Andy -- -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:10:42 -0000 From: Martin Oxenham <> Subject: For Sale Items To: "''" <> A Shop called the "Sea of Sound" in Addlestone,Surrey,Uk have the following items for sale at 10 pence each.Yes that was 10 pence!!!! This is Love 12" Beserker 12" Miracles 12" (with or without picture sleeve) Call out the dogs 12" Your Fascination 12" All are 10pence each and are as new.The phone number is as follows. 01932 827539 if dialling in the uk. Miracles. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:18:56 EST From: Subject: Gary Numan Christmas Album To: Hello - I simply HAD to comment on this. If HE does a Christmas album, then wings will sprout from my backside and I shall fly to the taping. (I admit, the thought of Gary warbling "Grandma Got Run over by A Reindeer" IS hysterical). Tammy Botzum ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:01:08 -0700 From: slapshot <> Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #492 To: Gary Numan <> Hello, One quick question. Does anyone out there besides me have the cd NEW ANGER. Thanks Tony ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 07:18:35 -0700 From: "Joey Lindstrom" <> Subject: Gary Numan Fan Projekt To: "Gary Numan" <> I would like to say that I wholeheartedly agree - let's get those cover songs online and available for all to download. Furthermore, I'll volunteer my time, services, and webspace to make this happen. That webspace for now will be on my World Wide Webb site, but in a couple of months I'll move it to the Gary Numan Fan Server machine when it goes online. Basically, if you've recorded a Numan cover and want the world to be able to hear it, then let's get to it. 1) Send it to me via email in high-quality MP3 format, or mail a cassette tape of it to me at: Joey Lindstrom 183 Holland St. N.W. Calgary, AB T2K 2E9 CANADA 2) I'll put all postings online in both MP3 and RealAudio formats. Gregor et al - let's have at it! / From Joey Lindstrom / Interocitor Dot Net / / I went to the eye doctor and found out I needed glasses for reading. / So, I got some flip-up contact lenses. / --Steven Wright ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:51:17 -0000 From: "Stephen Page" <> Subject: Micromusic To: <> I recently sent an email to the fan club regarding adding Micromusic to the Nustreet part of the Gary Numan web site. I was shocked to receive the following reply within a couple of days :- Hello Stephen, We have been trying to trace Micromusic for a while now without much luck. Unfortunately it was licenced on by Beggars many time and the exact whereabouts of the original master is now something of a mystery. We are still looking though as Micromusic would be an excellent addition to NuStreet. Bye for now, Gary Numan. ============== Lets hope they can find the masters Stephen - A proud member of Boys Like Us "I like romantics, but I don't like Stephen" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:05:19 -0000 From: "David Ellison" <NUMANBOY@PRODIGY.NET> Subject: Missing Numanoid To: "Gary Numan" <> Notice to Mark Hubbard. If you still subscribe to the digest, please e-mail me. I've lost your current e-mail address. Cheers! David a.k.a. NumanBoy Proud Member of Boys Like Us ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 12:34:41 +0000 From: Peter Arnett <> Subject: New Member To: Hello fellow Numanoids, My name is Peter and this is my introductary tale, I am 24 and have been a numan freak for about four years only. I used to own a hitrs album of Gary for a while in my early teens but (shame and horror) got rid of it as I thought it was crap. When Gary re-released Cars (premier version) I bought it again (always had a soft spot for that song) and saw that he was doing the tour and stopping in Nottingham at Rock City. 2 tickets later me and a mate were raving at the gig (and what a magnificant gig it was!!) and that was me seriously into Gary's music again. Finding the web site was like God smiling on me (for a change). I have also bought extended exile which I think is great, some of the new intros and music breaks are fantastic, however I can also relate too other members objections about the same. I must admit that it is crap how the extended version is only available through the fan club. I have a question to ask, I have just ordered Sacrifice (with the extra songs) from a company in America (no bugger of a shop admitted to hearing of it in England) - is this the extended version that everyone is talking about? Take Care everyone Peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:19:04 -0000 From: "Antonio Scandella" <> Subject: Noise Noise Moves To: "Gary Numan" <>, Just a note to let everybody know that my Noise Noise website has moved, and there are some more ancient Numan interview transcripts there. The new address is Just click on the Numan picture to go to the Numan part of the site. Interviews there are as follows - Playing To The Aliens - From a 1979 issue of Smash Hits Gary's A Nu-Man Now - From Patches Magazine, 1979 Would You Go Up In A Plane With Gary Numan? - From a 1982 edition of the Daily Mirror Switch On To Gary / Is Numan Human? - From a 1979 Jackie Magazine and another '79 cutting I have. I Dye, You Dye - From a 1984 edition of No.1 magazine Personal File - From a 1984 edition of No.1 magazine This is not intended to be a great Numan site, it's just going to be a bunch of old interviews and some photographs. Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:40:09 -0500 (EST) From: (Alison Koppel) Subject: numan 4 sale To: numan video-berserker & micromusic. one tape about 3 & half hours format-ntcs quality-excellent price-30 bucks even s&h-i pay the 3 bucks for priority mail if interested, let me know. i love the christmas album idea, but does gary even celebrate christmas? the old school synth sound would be great for those types of songs, but for that to happen would be a miracle. i wonder if he would consider doing it if enough of his fans sent him email about it? i would pay any price for that album, cause i know it would be great. "I JUST WANT TO BE YOUR EVERYTHING. AND SHOW YOU WHEN YOU'RE HOLDING ME, YOU'LL NEVER BE ALONE AGAIN." ~rob & fab~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:32:55 -0000 From: "David Ellison" <NUMANBOY@PRODIGY.NET> Subject: NumanBoy's Christmas List To: "Gary Numan" <> Here are some items on NumanBoy's Christmas list that Santa says he needs a little finding: Asylum1 Asylum2 Asylum3 Ghost Of A White Faced Clown The Plan (on Vinyl) "Unofficial" Live recordings from the 1998 US/Canada Tour If anyone knows where these items are readily available, let me know so that I can pass the info to Santa and hopefully find them under my tree Christmas day. Cheers! David a.k.a. NumanBoy (1998 Gary Numan Fan of the Year???) Proud Member of Boys Like ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:35:25 +1100 From: Martin Purvis <> Subject: Numan covers album To: "'Gary Numan Digest'" <> Forget about the Xmas songs album, that's old news. Instead of that, Gary should do an album of cover versions. To help with track selection, I've been trying to think of the most unsuitable songs of all time. So far I've come up with... Hey Jude In The Mood Hey, Big Spender Nessum Dorma Unchained Melody My Heart Will Go On Star Trekkin Hotel California (oh God, please NO!!!!!) I mentioned this project to Rick (, and these were his suggestions : >Secret Love (Doris Day) (once oy hed.....ah saycrit lofffffff) > >(cover your ears for this one): Mandinka (Sinead O Connor)....I >DOOOOOOOOOOOOOO KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.... >MANNNNDINKKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA > >Bad Moon Rising?? (complete w/ My Sharona backriffs...) >Grand Prize winner (I hope): Tiptoe Thru the Tulips!!!! (tip towww throwww da >towlipsssss....throooooo da meadaooooow....tow da willlaaoooww troy....) So come on, Nu-masochists, see if you can beat those!!!!!!! Cheers Martin PS I have a funny feeling that the all-time most unsuitable song for Gary to cover will turn out to be U Got The Look ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 07:20:33 -0700 From: "Joey Lindstrom" <> Subject: Numan Fan Of The Year To: "Gary Numan" <> The votes are tumbling in. Send yours today! To view the candidates, visit: (In a nutshell, they are Rob Eggleston, George Ellis, David Ellison, and Brian Perera) Then send your vote to by December 31st 1998. / From Joey Lindstrom / Interocitor Dot Net / / Droughts are because God didn't pay his water bill. / --Steven Wright ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 07:50:06 -0800 (PST) From: Nanci Telekon <> Subject: Praying to the Aliens To: Numan Digest <> I know this probably comes a bit late, particularly to you U.K. people, but I just recently got the autobiography and felt I had to comment. Anybody who hasn't gotten it, RUSH to order immediately. I got it from Amazon.UK, took only a few days in the mail, and the price conversion was well worth it. Who knew that Gary possessed such a wit? It's an excellent read. I've had a good laugh over the whole "Gary Numan Sings Christmas" subject. What a hoot! I would definitely pay triple to hear that. Let's all keep our sense of humor --- it's crucial. Everyone so enclined, please have a great holiday. The Exhibition now is over.... Nanci _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free address at ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 12:26:52 PST From: "Ian N" <> Subject: Radioheart CD To: Has anyone ordered the Radioheart CD yet from any of the on-line mail order stores? Have you received it yet? I ordered a copy from CD Zone in the UK over 3 weeks ago and they are only now telling me the CD is "Out Of Stock". Do any of the on-line stores actually have the Radioheart CD "In Stock". I've already been ripped off once when I ordered the Radioheart CD from "The Record Label" last year and never received it..... I think this CD is jinxed!!!!! Cheers Ian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 13:08:46 PST From: "Jenny Beck" <> Subject: sex sex sex sex sex sex sex To: sex to numan album would probably be HUMAN... on low. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 23:31:42 -0700 From: "Joey Lindstrom" <> Subject: Song Of The Week To: "Gary Numan" <> For this week it's "Airlane", live from the original Living Ornaments '79 album or Asylum 3. Apparently the guy who nominated it wasn't totally happy with the remastered version that came out this year... :-) (for now...) / From Joey Lindstrom / Interocitor Dot Net / / I got a chain letter by fax. It's very simple. You just fax a dollar / bill to everybody on the list. / --Steven Wright ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:23:13 -0000 From: "downstat" <> Subject: Sound quality of Exile Extended - help needed To: "Gary Numan" <> In the last digest, James Chapman said about the Exile Extended CD: > I can't say that the sound quality is all that wonderful, either. Argggghhhhh!!! Is the sound quality a return to the bad old days of Outland, M&S, and Sacrifice? Is it that bad? Can you tell me what the sleeve notes say about mastering? Exile was mastered at Surrey Sound Studios and then remastered at Hatch Farm. None of Outland, M&S and Sacrifice went through this process. As a result they are almost unlistenable. If Exile Extended left the Outland studio without being remastered, then it too will sound like it was recorded in a big biscuit tin. Can someone let me know? (I refuse on principle to buy it if GN has arrogantly gone back to putting out crap sounding CDs just to save a few bob). Austin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:27:41 GMT0BST From: "James Chapman" <> Subject: Telekon CD To: Something confuses me about the track order on the new(ish) Telekon release (and the double pack for that matter). I understand that on the original UK album release, "We Are Glass" and "I Die: You Die" were not included (how the title track got on it and these didn't is one of life's mysteries :-) ). In that case, why has WAG been stuck in to the middle of the album, rather than being a bonus track at the end like IDYD was? I also understand that on the US album release, IDYD was on the end of side 1 instead of "Sleep by Windows", so if there's any song should be stuck in the middle then surely it should be IDYD? I wonder that on the US release of the CD, IDYD was put in its original position at the end of side 1 and Sleep by Windows was a bonus track at the end? :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- "And Ralf Schumacher is the son of double world champion, Michael Schumacher Murray Walker, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 02:12:33 -0800 From: (rod reynolds) Subject: under fire To: Hello. Thanks for all the supportive letters I've received in response to the criticism leveled at me and my artistic integrity here on the digest. Who would have ever thought a year ago that I would be in the midst of such a discussion?!! I am honored. laurabrown/aaronhannum wrote: >it is very apparent that he is scanning 'scanned' pictures which creates a >checkerboard effect that plagues the entire cleopatra numan series. and >if i had his job i wouldn't be so keen to plaster my name all over the liner >notes as it would eventually ruin my career. he should be fired or at While I do not feel the 'entire cleopatra numan series' is 'plagued' with a checkerboard effect (save White Noise which I did not do), Cleopatra was also upset with me for the blurriness of the Fury front cover. (They also yelled at me for the incorrect track listing on the DD single - which wasn't my fault). I scanned it from my old cd (!!) as I don't have the vinyl lp. You will be happy (!?) to know that I secured the 12" vinyl pressing for the Berserker cover and the 12" singles so there's lots of non blurry pics for that release. Plus there's six or eight never before released concert photos from the Berserker tour in Australia (also not blurry). I initially presented several artwork concepts (some with a thematically consistent design among the re-issues) for the set as a whole to Cleopatra; they told me to maintain the original individual designs for the recognizability factor. I could have, for example, used the photo under the tray for the front, as I feel that is a stronger shot. I went with the original cd cover as opposed to the ('93?) Numa re-issue cover as I figured most fans would have the re-issue and not the original, which is fairly rare. (If you have the original cd check out the image quality - it's blurry!) Nobody (including Gary) likes the Fury artwork. At least I got rid of the dated slanted 80's font (although some obviously don't share my enthusiasm). In the Fury's case I presented 6 or 7 prototypes with different fonts and layouts; the one that appears in print was in fact chosen by committee. Gary himself saw this cd in it's mock-up form (I put it in his hand myself) and had no complaints. I was particularly nervous, as he designed the original artwork himself... My goal with the Fury artwork was to minimize the dated 80's-ness of it and suggest a classy Roxy Music / Roman empire mood, hence that particular font: upright, statuesque, pillar-like, although I really don't care for the capital N (too thin). While I'm also not particularly happy with the way the cover turned out, it's unlikely to end my career (at least it hasn't so far :o). It was a lot of work to get the I Still Remember 12" version onto the album, and most of the expense came out of my pocket just because I wanted it done. It didn't exist on cd at all, nor did the New Thing From London Town 12" version, and without me on this project those tracks would likely not be there. No one at Cleopatra was familiar with his material at all (which is where I came in). You saw what Gary did with the box set, which was the last hope for 'rarities'. The other bonus tracks were taken from the fan club only Babylon series and the 98 box set, and unless anyone comes up with any new suggestions (Gary vetoed all of mine) that's that. If you want all the bonus tracks in one place I suggest you seek out the 7 cd Babylon set (I did!). The concept of bonus tracks, YES, is to get you to buy the album even if you already have it. The late 80's cd boom is over. Record companies made a fortune when everyone replaced their vinyl and tapes with cd, but catalog sales have now dropped off, and they are trying to find ways of making us buy the catalog yet again (those of us who didn't fall for the mini disc plot) and are now re-issuing them with more artwork, theoretically higher sound quality and bonus tracks or multi-media. I have a sizable cd collection and yet find myself falling into the trap quite often; buying cds that I already have, just to get the goodies... "J. Mark Stanton" <> writes: >On the subjective side, I've noticed poor type choices on all of your >Numan releases. The original artwork layouts from Cleopatra have also >been marginal at best. > Thank you for using the word 'subjective'. I honestly don't feel my original artwork concepts were 'marginal' and have in fact, had overwhelmingly positive reaction and support from the label, friends, colleagues and fans for both the Mix and Remodulate packages. The photos I used were from the Numan yearbooks and newsletters so I am quite sure Gary liked them. In fact, I did email him detailing the exact photos I wanted to use and he approved them. He furthermore chose one of my original concert photos from the Mix cd and tour poster to include in his Exile tour program, so apparently he appreciates my photography as well. I thank you for sharing your thoughts regarding my project, and while I am sincerely disappointed that not everyone is satisfied, I am also aware of the "you can please some of the people some of the time..." adage. I also encourage more feedback. After all, I don't stand in record stores and ask people what they think of that Gary Numan cd they just bought... Best wishes, Rod Los Angeles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 16:26:35 PST From: "Jenny Beck" <> Subject: Whats wrong with ROd To: Whats the deal with this Rod guy??? I don't think he is even a NUMAN fan.He doesnt seem to know anything about business or Quality! If he really is a fan.... he should act like ONE! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************