Gary Numan Digest Sun, 20 Dec 98 Volume 1 : Issue 496 Today's Topics: "Seven" Intro 1998 releases & R3 project A LACK OF FURY...... Berserker competition Eddie Grant due for a comeback? Fallen Fan GARY NUMAN Gary takes on Human & Numan/Sharpe Opinions introductory message Merry Christmas nin/numan numan record RANDOM...(thoughts, that is) Response to "Defending" bad Cover art Sacrifice and bonus tracks South Park This and That Visage &c. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:18:40 EST From: Subject: "Seven" Intro To: Yes actually... many of us did know this (grin) and I personally knew I was in for a great Numan show by it's choice in the program. The intro is an alternate mix of "Closer" by Nine Inch Nails the original mix being from the album "The Downward Spiral". I don't recall exactly which version mix it was that Numan used in concert (my guess is the "closer to god" mix), but I do know it is on the CD single for that song. It was (as noted in the post I am replying too) also used as an uncredited piece for the opening credits in the movie Seven. This alas was not included in the motion picture soundtrack album. Mitch Gore ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:21:52 -0600 From: Jeff Tolva <> Subject: 1998 releases & R3 project To: Hello everyone! Wow, it's been a busy year for Gary Numan releases!! If you can't recall all of the releases during 1998, here it is from the "Compleat" Gary Numan discography located on Joey Lindstrom's excellent "World Wide Webb" site: 1998 Jan Living Ornaments '79 2CD Album 1998 Jan Living Ornaments '81 2CD Album 1998 Feb Exile Album 1998 Feb Archive Vol. 2 CD Compilation Album 1998 Mar Random (02) CD Album 1998 Apr The Mix Album 1998 Apr Dominion Day CD5 Single 1998 Jun Tubeway Army CD Reissue 1998 Jun Replicas CD Reissue 1998 Jun White Noise 2CD Reissue 1998 Jun The Pleasure Principle CD Reissue 1998 Jun Telekon CD Reissue 1998 Jun The Numa Years 5CD Box Set 1998 Aug Remodulate: The Numa Chronicles 2CD Compilation Album 1998 Aug Sacrifice CD Reissue 1998 Aug Dark Light 2CD Reissue 1998 Nov The Fury CD Reissue 1998 Nov Exile Extended Album If you'd like to see more of this complete discography, please stop by Joey's site! It's under "The Music", then "Discography", then "Compleat". Happy viewing!! Also, I'd like to thank Joey for putting all of those "Random 3" (R3) tracks from the Internet fans on his site! I think we have some very creative people on this Digest; Thanks to you all for the contributions!! I would still love to see this R3 project "get off the ground", but I'm afraid the Gary Numan discography takes up much of my spare time. Is anyone going to pick up where Klaus left off? Bye for now, Jeff Tolva (The Machman) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 05:06:10 -0000 From: "richard carter" <> Subject: A LACK OF FURY...... To: "gary numan digest" <> HOWDY !!!!!!!! KING RICHARD HERE....... ok, I am getting a little ticked . I can not find THE FURY anywhere... Not at work, they cant get it..... Not at BLOCKBUSTER MUSIC, they sold out(?) Not at BEST BUY , they didn't find a need to get it. ok, this is a plot against me......I can tell. gotta be....... they must figure I am the only guy in GEORGIA that buys them so I must be out of money at this point. I will wind up buying the thing online, but what about helping out that local bussiness???? only if they get in the re-release of BERSERKER.... It takes courage to be a NUMAN fan these days !!!!! --------------------------------- "If you get near a song, let me know." "I forgot the ending to this song" "funny that's all I can think about." " I think I passed it...I once kept playing this song for 3 days." " you wouldn't consider hush money, would you?" -GROUCHO & CHICO MARX --------------------------------- King Richard The Kingdom King Richard's 80's Musical Kingdom: Stay for dinner next time...we're having barbecued iguana! Check out the interview from THE CHURCH at KING OF 80'S MUSIC Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:16:02 GMT0BST From: "James Chapman" <> Subject: Berserker To: In the last digest, Rod wrote > I turned in the artwork and master disc for Berserker to the label this > afternoon. I don't know exactly when it will be released yet. It has four > bonus tracks; Berserker extended 6:47, Empty Bed, Empty Heart 3:12, My > Dying Machine extended 9:23 and Here Am I 5:46. In my opinion a tad boring > but what can I do. Gary told me directly not to use the unreleased bonus > tracks I wanted to use, even when the label had said to go ahead. Plus I > had to keep the cd under 74 minutes. The album is remastered and sounds > terrific. > Gary not letting Rod use new to CD tracks? Does he want to put the nails in his own coffin, or something? I, for one shall not be buying this reissue as I already have the extended mixes CD and The Numa Years, and Berserker in The Numa Years sounds excellent as well. I already have all the songs on CD. The only people this CD could be attractive to is people who don't have The Numa Years (and new fans of course). I suppose the regular album has only previously appeared on CD in the box set so maybe it's not that bad. But I'm sure a lot of die-hard completists will question buying this. Not a completist, James ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- "And Ralf Schumacher is the son of double world champion, Michael Schumacher Murray Walker, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:56:53 +0000 From: Jill Matthews <> Subject: competition To: I work at Newcastle College, England and I give student advice, so I am constantly looking around the internet to see if there is any new information. I was told about a website with the following address: when I went into it loe and behold there is a competition to win a copy of PRAYING TO THE ALIENS!! I couldn't believe my eyes, Gary Numan on a student advice eh? Merry Christmas LOve Jill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:56:46 -0000 From: "downstat" <> Subject: Eddie Grant due for a comeback? To: "Gary Numan" <> > "Cars" was playing in the cafe of EASTENDERS, BBC1 on Tuesday night!!! Not > quite sure if that's an early Christmas present or a bad omen.....! Mmmm. On Thursday's Eastenders, guess what they were playing in Lenny's flat? "I don't wanna dance" by Eddie Grant. Make of that what you will.......!!!! Austin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:26:33 +1100 From: "MAUREEN RUMBLE" <> Subject: Fallen To: <> Here's one for you! Does anyone know what Numan song was mentioned in the Denzel Washington movie 'Fallen' Clue ..its near the end!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 98 22:38:08 -0600 From: "Leo S." <> Subject: Fan To: <> I've been a fan of Numans since 83'. I find his melodic content very appealing. I myself prefer Numans older material. Pretty much Berserker back. Fasination was pretty good as well. Regretablly though, I have never heard the warriors album. Is this something I can still get? Is it still in print? I find Gary's recent stuff very well produced. But I miss the raw analog unglossed productions. I admit I'm from the older synth camp (not just the 303, or Moog craze. but also the old poly-800's, DX-7, and CZ-101's). So my bias of course is towards the 80's. I do like the Mix album though. Cyberlion... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:44:43 GMT From: "brooke.shields" <> Subject: GARY NUMAN To: hi. this is numangirl again. does anyone know if WARRIORS is going to be re-released at any point, and if so, when? i'm also looking for the following to complete my numan collection. 1. living ornaments 2. white noise 3. ghost 4. metal rhythm 5. the skin mechanic - live 6. outland 7. automatic are any of these being re-released, especially the last four on the list. i'm dying to get my hands on these albums. cheers. jackie. numangirl. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:14:59 -0800 From: (rod reynolds) Subject: Gary takes on To: Hello. >For a start, both Eagle and Cleopatra only seem interested in Numan's >back catalogue. If Gary hasn't realized this by now, he has only himself >to blame. >Of course Gary should pass on some responsibilities to others, but sadly >it's part of his make-up that he feels he has to do everything. It would >be great if Numan collaborated a bit more in all aspects of his work (did >he even build his new studio himself?) >Tom Gorham I really must disagree on the first point; at least with Cleopatra, I would say they were more interested in the new album (Exile), or at least equally interested in that and the back catalog. My feeling from just being around this is that Gary isn't *really* interested in his own back catalog. I think he realizes that it's an economic incentive to have your back catalog available, plus he seems to take nagging from fans fairly seriously (to a point). From my discussions with him and reading interviews, he truly seems more interested in going forward as opposed to looking back, whether it be on past glories or failures. He himself has said that Cars has been released too many times, and feels that he is no longer that person. Many artists aren't interested in their old work. As far as doing everything himself... I think he feels he's been burned by the record industry and he definitely is of the "better to do it yourself" school. While this may have limited his career to a degree, I feel that his self motivation has been the only thing that has sustained his career. When no one else was interested in releasing his material, he released it himself, and maintained his following. If he had just waited around or given up in 1984 (or 1994) when no label wanted him... we wouldn't have any of the Numa albums and consequently none of the Eagle albums. He would be another 80's one hit wonder (which he is in many eyes) and he'd be a mechanic (or pilot) appearing on VH1's "Where are they now" with the Thompson Twins and Bobby Sherman. That said, personally I do wish he would let some outside hands in... I'd like to see him work with an outside producer and energize the *sound* of his work. Or am I the only one who thinks that while Exile is a great album, it all kind of sounds the same (muddy)... But then once he had a brilliant producer work with him (Bill Nelson) and he remixed him out... Even in a forest some trees must stand alone. Best wishes, Rod Los Angeles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:05:00 +1300 From: "D & J Hall" <> Subject: Human & Numan/Sharpe Opinions To: <> Jim This comment comes from New Zealand which is as far away from the mainstream Numan scene as you can get. I have copies of both "Human" and "Automatic", the former purchased in the UK in '96, the latter in NZ in '95. I don't think either are still available. Eagle which now owns the Numa catologue hasn't released them to my knowledge. I spend a large proportion of my on-line time searching out Numan releases and haven't noticed them anywhere. As for opinions:- "Human" is generally for enthusiasts only, as you subscribe to this list then you probably qualify. It has 36 tracks of Gary and Michael R Smith playing about in the Outland studio - the sleeve notes describe it as "... not a conventional instrumental album ... more a collection of musical ideas, each with a specific mood or atmosphere in mind". Some tracks give a strong moody feeling and appear in various forms on albums as early as "the Fury" (Some more astute readers may note that the Fury was released BEFORE Human - I think Gary tries to expand on some of the ideas on the Fury and later albums and in some cases succeeds). Other tracks feel as though they are truncated and the listener (me) feels as though there should be more. Generally I listen to it "Human" at work or in the car - neither of which are proper listening environments, but which benefit from some of the moods. "Automatic" has a more general appeal for those with a taste for 80's synth. Most die hard fans probably don't like it , although I do. It doesn't really have "the Numan sound" (whatever that is), but if you're open minded and generally into '80s synth then it probably has some tracks that you'll like. Personally I think "Change your mind" is the best track. Those who don't like the female vocals should give this album a miss, although Tessa Niles does a great job on this album. In conclusion ... Both albums are worthy additions to a Numan collection. "Human" may leave you feeling that Gary has lowered himself to working on movie soundtracks and "Automatic" may be of value only for nostalgic reasions but do what you must to secure copies of both albums. Darren Hall. Probably the southernmost 'noid on the planet. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:17:28 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Casey <> Subject: introductory message To: My name is Paul Casey. I am 18 and attend Boston University. I started listening to Gary Numan in tenth grade. first purchase: pleasure principle/warriors cd. love numan! have a bad problem though. when i see a numan cd i don't have, i have to buy it. i spend my money like it isn't mine. oh well. i need a few more cd's to complete my collection. recently at a used music store, i found replicas, telekon, change your mind single, and call out the dogs single all on vinyl. if i am not listening to numan, i listen to bands like servotron, noise bands, death metal, and some industrial. my brother used to laugh and make fun of me for listening to numan. i have now converted him. Paul Casey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:19:59 GMT0BST From: "James Chapman" <> Subject: Merry Christmas To: I've really enjoyed it since I joined the digest early in the year. I would not have been able to get all the Numan stuff I now have if it weren't for the digest. I dread to think how I'll cope when I leave university and I'm left digestless :-) Special thanks to: Leon Smith for selling me three CDs I couldn't find! Joey Lindstrom for storing 6 years worth of back digests on his website for me to enjoy-and for helping me out with "netspeak" :-) Rod Reynolds- personally I think it's great that he can share information about releases, and what we want releasing, and take suggestions as well . I still can't understand why Gary doesn't want unreleased tracks on the Berserker reissue, but never mind! And to Derek Langsford for doing me several favours, helping me out with finding rare CDs, and for thinking this whole thing up in the first place! P.S. Derek, I've tried to e-mail you with a confirm delivery note and not got any conformation. Are you there? I think several e-mails I've sent recently have not reached their destination! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- "And Ralf Schumacher is the son of double world champion, Michael Schumacher Murray Walker, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:39:11 -0700 From: "s. payton" <> Subject: nin/numan To: > Has anyone noticed the intro Gary Numan was using during > the European and US-tour is actually the intro from the movie 'seven'? > yeah, its from the song taken for the intro to the movie "seven". its from nine inch nails "closer (precursor)", a remix of the ever popular "closer". (you know the "i want to fuck you like an animal" song". and not only did gary use it for an intro on the tour, he also took an sample loop from it, and used it in "voix (20th ann. ver)" in other nin/numan news, i have proof that trent listens to numan. on the nin video "closure", you can hear a little piece of "the joy circuit" being played in the background around the time when nin's keyboardist gets end the of finger cut off and every one is stressing out about it. (and no, the song isnt credited) thanks sean ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:56:14 PST From: "Jenny Beck" <> Subject: numan record To: I was in a record store and found for $4.00 "I assassin" promotoional record. is this anything?? i did not buy it cause the conner was messed up a bit. and it was kinda dirty. I asked the girl if I could just have it bec it was promotional and she said no. so i was kinda pissed and didnt wnat to give the satisfaction to her of me buying it. so i left. but i might go back.. not sure.. anyone kow if the promotional ones are worth anything??? or are they collectible?? thanks. jenny ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:05:39 -0500 From: Stevorama <> Subject: RANDOM...(thoughts, that is) To: Gary Numan <> Checking in: My copy of EXILE EXTENDED is flawless. I have always enjoyed the mood and atmosphere of Gary's tunes, so longer versions are fine with me. Good job. To Rod in L.A.....looks good to me. This ain't Warners..... Beggars is remastering DANCE? Now THAT's heaven. Can't wait. Thanks to Gary for NUSTREET's direct ordering. Now he'll get more of my money.....sweatshirt incoming! And to all...enjoy. It's a great time to be a fan. stevorama (orlando) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:51:57 EST From: Subject: Response to "Defending" bad Cover art To: Hello everyone... Just had to pipe in when I read this "defense" of poor quality artwork. I am a professional graphic designer and digital photo composer. I have worked at for several ad agencies and as a freelancer. For the past 5 years I have worked for most of the major studios in Hollywood. Most of you have seen some of my work though never knew it. I have done VHS packaging design, movie poster artwork as well as a wide variety of printed ad design art work. In the past 2 years I have mainly done package design and digital photo design for MGM/UA Home Video's DVD line. I do not say this as a boast, but simply to clearly illustrate that this is something I know a GREAT deal about, and I work in one of the top art studios in this field. So while I can understand some of the points Mr. Damrath has made (particularly about having to get things approved and signed of from marketing departments, etc.) I have a MAJOR point of disagreement however. Mainly that the problems that a lot of these covers/packaging have ARE avoidable. First, quite a few of the covers that Cleopatra has released are just POOR quality scans of PRINTED album covers. Seeing an obvious moire pattern is a dead give away. For those of you who do not know what a moire pattern is, I will give a basic overview. Those that know what a moire is, or those who don't care may wish to skip the next few paragraphs. When a four color print job (i.e. "color photos") are printed, the millions of colors in a photos are simulated using dots of varying size of 4 different color inks (cyan, magenta, yellow and black inks). They color dots are arranged in a miniature pattern called a rosette. Varying the size of each one of the four colors in each tiny set of the thousands upon thousands of rosettes fool the eye into seeing all the different colors in a photo (actually not all as 4 color process printing as a much narrower gamma than the human eye can perceive). The frequency of these groups of color dots is called screen frequency. When someone scans a picture from a magazine (or in this case an vinyl album cover) the scanner picks this miniature mosaic of dots on a pixel per pixel bases. When this is then sent electronically to a postscript film RIP, it tries to recreate these minute dot patterns using a new set of dot patterns (because it is forced to simulate the colors of the scanned dot pattern with more dot patterns). This causes a larger repeat "pattern" of interference because of this re- interpolation of dot patterns. This along with poor color fidelity, terrible ink saturation is one of a host of problems with the artwork that have been used. If the only source material with which to scan is already printed (color separated into 4 color dots) then the photo has to be retouched to eliminate this moire problem. Given the size of the art on the original 12" printed covers, a good quality scan CAN be made to use for printing at the smaller size for CD artwork. This however would require a professional digital artist (those in my profession). Like Mr. Damrath I will concede that having the time (money) to do this re- touching or hiring a professional digital artist to do it MAY not have been made available to Rod for a variety of reasons (budget, scheduling, etc.) the fact is the product looks like shit. While I won't blame it on "design" per se. Color matchprint proofs, press checks and any color house or service bureau worth there reputation could have/would have made the poor quality in the source files obvious. While I may appear to be a bit harsh here, it is because this is the sort of thing that in my profession I take great pride in making sure does not happen. Many people think that design and digital photo retouching is not a big deal, but doing it right takes skill. If the artist does his/her's job right, the work is transparent to the consumer. While the fault regarding Cleopatra's cover art may possibly be laid at many different people's feet, the simple truth is that the quality of the product is the only thing that counts in the end. In this instance, alas... that quality is noticeably lacking. Mitchell Gore Imagic - Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:10:52 +0000 From: Peter Arnett <> Subject: Sacrifice and bonus tracks To: Hello Numanoids, I have just got my copy of Sacrifice with 4 bonus tracks from Movie Bol online (cleopatra release). I must admit that it is absolutley fantasic, the tracks are clear as daylight to listen to and the lyrics seem to hit you more then the original. The coverwork and word print are fantastic and give the album a much more dark gothic look (can't blame Rod for this one in fact praise is due to the man...) that i'm sure Gary wanted. Also improved are the photographs of Gary - much more sharper. One question - does anybody know if Gary ever released a finished version of Metal Beat as it is a true Numan gem. I also feel that the extended versions of A Question of Faith and Love and Napalm are excellent - does anybody know where I can get hold of the extended version of Sacrifice? Have a great Christmas everyone and a good 1999. Peter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:12:57 +1300 From: "D & J Hall" <> Subject: South Park To: <> >From: "James Chapman" <> >Subject: South Park > Hey, for a Christmas project, how about "South Park does Gary >Numan", with the following setlist James You are one sick puppy!! I laffed so much I wet meself Darren Hall, Great Southern Numanoid. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:26:46 EST From: Subject: This and That To: Hi All, I am a 35 year old fan who has been following Gary's career since 1979. I have been on list for a couple of years now and I don't write in too often. However, lately, there have been a few things that I just can't keep quiet about. 1. I remember less than two years ago when everyone on this list wished Gary had something other than NUMA to promote himself and his records with. Remember the days when one of his records would only sell to us meager few and those lucky enough to live in the UK? What was that, 50,000 copies or so? So now that he does have something better (Eagle/Cleopatra), we all complain about this and that. Sure there have been a few snafu's but what is going on now with his exposure, record availability, touring ability, and PR opportunity, how can we complain. Compare what is going on now with what was going on before the deal. Lets give it a chance. I think it's much better now than before. BTW, it is just my opinion. 2. And this really gets me under my skin. PLEASE leave ROD REYNOLDS alone! He is doing the best he can for himself, his company, Gary and us fans! Again, I remember the days when there was no such guy as Rod Reynolds. I remember when we all dreamed about such a thing happening. SO, please give Rod a break! I think your releases Rod have been just fine. I smile every time I go into some lame record store (one that never had Gary Numan records) and FINALLY see my favorite artist, GARY NUMAN. Thanks Rod! Keep up the good work and thanks for the "inside" news! 3. Can anyone tell me what kind of units were moved by Beggars Banquet for the re-issues and what the sales figures were for EXILE and/or THE MIX from Eagle/Cleopatra? I understand the last few records released by Gary were selling pretty poorly. Can anyone shed any light on this. 4. In reference to the question about Gary running everything himself especially NUSTREET. In the last newsletter it states that they have had some "automated" help with Nustreet via USP Networks. It looks like the order entry, accounting, billing, post and distribution are all tied together. This would eliminate a great deal of work on his mother's behalf. Honestly, although I wouldn't put it past him, I don't think Gary is putting my cd's into an envelope and mailing them to me. I think he has done his part in all of this by laying the ground work for the USP bit and the labels authorization to let NuStreet act as a distributor (retail outlet). 5. Gary is a small act ( in comparison to the radio and other mainstream acts of the day). Fact is, due to the career path he has had, he has a small home studio. Part of the attraction I would imagine on behalf of Eagle/Cleopatra is that he doesn't cost very much to produce. He is (due to his past) self contained. Unlike other artists, he doesn't rack up hundreds of thousands of dollars in studio time over six months to record. He doesn't have to pay to have a producer to be in there with him either. This saves Eagle a ton of money. Record companies love acts that can save them money and have a big back catalogue. So when we complain about Gary having to tinker in his own studio, well, what do we expect? I guess due to the circumstances in his professional career, and in light of the financial situation, Gary tinkering in his own studio doesn't come to me as a shock. In fact, I don't expect anything other than this in the future either. It won't be any different until he unleashes another MONSTER hit and becomes a multimillion seller again. Then and only then, may you see the home tinker studio and his "hands-on" approach diminish a bit. Until then, he is going to do everything he can to save a buck and make a buck. And you know, ,,,there is nothing wrong with that! I guess that's all the ranting I have, boy do I feel better. Not sure whether I made my points clear, but I feel better. Flame if you must, just do it privately. :) But remember, these are just my opinions. OH YEAH, one more, I think Exile Extended sounds great! Technically and musically. and finally, I don't feel "milked" either. Thanks for the great work Dave and Derek! Love and Best Wishes for all of you this Holiday! Micromuzak ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:57:42 EST From: Subject: Visage &c. To: E. Bunce made an evil suggestion: <<My candidate for the least appropriate song to be covered by Gary is: Fade to Grey Kind of a shame really, he'd probably do a good job... ;-)>> Perhaps. I'm sure he'd jump at the chance to muck up more French. (BTW, "devenir gris" actually means "to become grey," which I don't think sounds nearly as interesting.) Either that, or he could go dig up Tessa Niles to do it even worse. And he'd probably change the "aaaahaaaaah" to "whoooaa-ohhh." I personally think the most hideously inappropriate artist for him to cover would be Garth Brooks. Of course, he'd have to wear a Stetson, tight blue jeans with an enormous wrought-silver-with-turquoise-inlay belt buckle, and cowboy boots while doing so. Hey Jerry V.! Then you could get Numan to Middle Tennessee! He could perform at the Grand Ole Opry! ;-) Okay, enough taking the piss for one evening. Stuck-up when it comes to speaking French (Yes! I can translate "Psycho Killer"!), Riana, oh la la. PS- Thank you Chuck for the recognition of Numan site authors. Even those of us who haven't updated our sites in a zillion years. "Thank the God-Devil Being wom a country boy, whoa-oh" - John Denver au Numan ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************