Gary Numan Digest Thu, 24 Dec 98 Volume 1 : Issue 497 Today's Topics: "I won't kneel down" 'Seven' intro *numan*argument= mike mckay A Merry Christmas and Happy New (man) year DREAM BASHING...... Exile extended - WOW Fingers crossed!!! Fingers up!!!! GARY NUMAN Gary Numan Digest V1 #496 Gary takes on got ya covered Rod ... graphic designers hello again In a Glasshouse King Biscuit Metal Beat & Tribal minor things New Anger numan things NUMAN VIDEO FOR SALE OUTALND 4 sale! Prophecy/Angel Wars & Hi Sister Ray + C&W Vo est da newsgroup? ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 02:13:22 -0600 From: Valerie Iglar-Mobley <> Subject: "I won't kneel down" To: The Gary Digest <> [sent to the NuWorld site:] Dear Gary, I realize that you are at a pivotal point in your resurgent career, and I would like to make a suggestion that I think could give your profile a boost. Your focus right now, musically, is on creating your next album, and I wouldn t wish to distract you from that. But I wonder if you might consider diverting yourself from that effort briefly, to release another single from Exile. "The Angel Wars" is one of the most musically powerful and lyrically dramatic songs you ve ever recorded, and the extended version has been raved over by your fans. I think this song could serve admirably as a single, and would require a only a very minimal outlay of resources. The extended version is already mixed, and a single could simply include as b-sides live versions of other songs form your last tour-- similar to your live e.p.s from other albums, which would be especially welcome as we fans have missed getting another live set from this last tour. As evidenced by the live versions on the "Dominion Day" singles, I assume there are recordings available that could be tapped for other selections. The live renditions of "Friends," "We Are So Fragile," and "Replicas" would be particularly welcome. The real reason, though, that I suggest this and imagine it could heighten your exposure would be for the accompanying video. You have said, in your interview with Steven Herbert, that you will "stay clear of the religious side next time." I wish you would reconsider that. Your take on religion is unique in the world of music. If you think about it, Christians have many musical artists voicing their beliefs. Apart from yourself, we atheists and nonbelievers have none. You could capitalize on that by filming a video for "The Angel Wars" that creates imagery for its lyrics in all their blasphemous and sacrilegious splendor. Imagine. "I won t pray to you on this side of sane" could be accompanied by images of priests in their clerical collars rolling on the floor of a psychiatric ward straining against their straight-jackets. "I don t believe in the angel wars" could show Christians massacring "heathens" in a crusade. "I don t believe in the virgin birth" could be heard while we re shown a woman in robes kneeling in a stable over a manger that holds, wrapped in swaddling cloth... a serpent. "I don t believe in the kindness of god to man" could be a lament over "witches" being burned at a stake. And the final, triumphant verse could depict you, the song s hero, acting out all the rebellions described there: smashing stained-glass windows, tearing down crosses, and burning the Christian Bible. Controversial? Undoubtedly. Such a video would certainly be banned by the BBC and MTV. And that is precisely the point. Court the controversy. Let it work for you just as it has other banned artists. It would gain you notoriety and attention, and many would line up to hear your music and see the video... just to find out what the fuss is about. Artistic expression is meant to be free, and freethinkers resist being told what we can and cannot hear or see. Keep the faith. Benjamin Iglar-Mobley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:53:24 -0500 From: ian <> Subject: 'Seven' intro To: (Gary Numan) >Yes actually... many of us did know this (grin) and I personally knew I was in >for a great Numan show by it's choice in the program. The intro is an >alternate mix of "Closer" by Nine Inch Nails the original mix being from the >album "The Downward Spiral". I don't recall exactly which version mix it was >that Numan used in concert (my guess is the "closer to god" mix), but I do >know it is on the CD single for that song. > >It was (as noted in the post I am replying too) also used as an uncredited >piece for the opening credits in the movie Seven. This alas was not included >in the motion picture soundtrack album. > >Mitch Gore it's the closer (precursor mix) by the very very awesome band Coil, whose lead member Peter Christopherson you may or may not remember from a little group called Throbbing Gristle. the mix is also prominent in the bridge of the new version of Voix. . . . . . .i.a.n.m.a.t.t.h.e.w.s. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .8123321552/8123328964 . . . . . . . . . . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:17:26 PST From: "Jenny Beck" <> Subject: *numan*argument= mike mckay To: TO MIKE MCKAY: as far as my comments on Rod's art work for the FURY cover. It's horrible! i saw it for a 2nd time in newbury comix the other day and showed my friend who isnt really a numan fan but doesnt hate him either. she said "is that the same one you have" why is the picture all messed up? compared to the one i have. the picture on mines is perfectly crisp and clear. the pic on the new one has a wierd reddish tint.. like his face is pink or something.. and the pixels look farther apart. like i am looking up close at it, when i am not. Any album cover even if it wasnt numan and i saw that picture i would still wonder why such a blurry poor colored pic got chosen. the pic's for replicas, telekon and pp are excellent and crystal clean and i like the booklets etc... the wjole package. but for some reason the fury came out awful. AND. ab the x mas album. we are serious ab it. it would be really nice. personally i love x mas music.. especially bing crosby.. and old stuff/ GAry has that old time star look and sound to him.. just look at his I assassin pics// he looks like an old movie star in balck and white.. i think his voice would sound real good singing old fashioned x mas songs.. just like many other artists have x mas albums.. there fans buy em bec it's there fav. artsist and they like there why not enjoy there voice to x mas music..' ya know! OK I"M DONE jenny beck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:29:19 -0000 From: "Stephen Page" <> Subject: A Merry Christmas and Happy New (man) year To: <> To all digest readers and contributors Just a short note to wish you all a very Merry Christmas and a very happy nu (man) year :)))))))))) Stephen - A Proud member of Boys Like Us "I like Romantics, but I don't like Stephen" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:54:11 -0000 From: "richard carter" <> Subject: DREAM BASHING...... To: "gary numan digest" <> HOWDY !!!!!! KING RICHARD HERE..... If I might ask, why has there been so much bashing as of lately of the DREAM C. live cd????? I mean the first time I saw the comment made in the digest I just shrugged it off as a personal thing , but I have heard more say it also. So, what is so wrong with it? It is a 2 disc live cd of mostly old material from the first 3 albums. Few new ones (at the time) and some odds and ends thrown in to not sound like SKIN M. , the last live one that he released. I always thought it sounded great. Improved a few songs, (I'M AN AGENT sounds alot better on there, actually most of the TELEKON stuff he had on it sounded better. Yes, I know..that was the wrong thing to say.) and most of important, it was THE OLD STUFF. To here IT MUST HAVE BEEN YEARS done live was great. I find that live shows are all different. no 2 shows are the same. An example is the band WALL OF VOODOO, that I also like. I have 2 bootleg concerts of theirs that are only 3 days apart in 1984. Sure the playlist is the same, but the crowd will react different or the singer will. Mishaps and messups can always happen.I love both shows....same with NUMAN. So why is this thing disliked so much? no one explains why. I am more than happy to explain why I don't like EXILE.....(yes, I said it, but you must have known already?) I don't like the musical direction he took on it. The over use of GOD bashing,( I think that move turned people away from him. Of course it attracted this little kids who think it's cool....) He turned his back on the sound that he made most of us fans with. I think of EXILE as his worst.(except for perhaps EXILE EXTENDED....oh great, make the songs even longer, JOY.....) I no longer own it. I took my copy of it after listening to it one time and took it to ATHENS and sold it to a used cd store. Got 3 dollars out of it. I thought that was pretty good. Now if most of you will not take this as a chance to attack me over my comments about EXILE and instead use it for the purpose it was intended..... TELL ME WHY YOU DON'T LIKE DREAM C. Happy Holidays!!!!!!! "If you are going to drink, dont drive.....CRAWL !" -GRACE SLICK, 1985 --- King Richard The Kingdom King Richard's 80's Musical Kingdom: Stay for dinner next time...we're having barbecued iguana! Check out the interview from THE CHURCH at KING OF 80'S MUSIC Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:44:42 -0000 From: "downstat" <> Subject: Exile extended - WOW To: <> Just a few points regarding Exile Extended 1. Bought it at Sister Ray for 12.99 2. I like the new cover art, and booklet design and prefer it to the original - especially the layout of the lyrics. I see that credit is given to Curt Evans for book design - is this Gary starting to relinquish control? 3. The sound quality is fine and up to normal sonic standards. The disc is certainly quieter than the orginal, but that's no problem. Phew! 4. The music is excellent. I much prefer these extended mixes to the orginal. I think the reason for this is that it allows Gary to introduce a sparseness to the music - he's able to get rid of that relentless drum loop for a few seconds. It evokes more atmosphere and more variety at the same time. If Gary could use some of this sparser production on the new album, it will be his best yet. 5. The extended version of Angel Wars is stunning. It is certainly now my favourite Numan track ever. I can't see myself playing the orginal Exile ever again. I'm being forced off line for a while. Hope to be back before too long. Best wishes to all, Austin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:31:54 -0800 From: "Allan" <> Subject: Fingers crossed!!! Fingers up!!!! To: <> Stephen Slater, Numan has given us British fans a definite two fingered salute this = year!!! I have been a Numan Devotee since 79 but I am totally pissed off with = the bloke this year. The moment he has a sniff of excitement from his european and american = fans he is off there, bollocks to the British fans who have followed him = year in year out. As for the fan club newsletters....American tour this, = Germany that... etc etc. Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't want Numan to tour worldwide, = it's just that I think he has given his most devoted fans a raw deal. = What is wrong with touring America, Germany, France, UK, Australia, = Africa etc etc.???. ie any country that would warrant a visit. I look = forward to any comments that will be generated by this posting ( I bet = there will be a few!!!) But bear in mind before you all start to slag me = off that I still regard NUMAN as a semi-god. The man has been around and = influenced me throughout my teenage years and beyond (34 now!!). JUST PLAY FAIR GAZZA ! Allan Parkin,Manchester, UK=20 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:13:47 +0000 From: Emperor <> Subject: GARY NUMAN To: In message , brooke.shields <> writes >hi. this is numangirl again. does anyone know if WARRIORS is going to >be re-released at any point, and if so, when? i'm also looking for the >following to complete my numan collection. >1. living ornaments >2. white noise >3. ghost >4. metal rhythm >5. the skin mechanic - live >6. outland >7. automatic >are any of these being re-released, especially the last four on the >list. >i'm dying to get my hands on these albums. cheers. jackie. >numangirl. > > -- My advice is to join the Fan Club `A L I E N` ( for the address etc. check out the Numan web-site ) as some of the titles are available thru` it. As for the IRS albums, EMI are possibly going to re-issue them. Hope this helps. -- PALPATINE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:01:07 -0100 From: Stephen Catton <> Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #496 To: "'Gary Numan'" <> Hello folks Mitchell Gore wrote regarding the "bad cover art issue and I thought I would like to add my bit. I don't actually used the technology to reproduce art work I sell it. I have worked for the likes of Dainippon Screen, Barco and Crosfiled and now Agfa who manufacture and sell equipment for the reprographic industry. That is every thing that comes between the design and making the printing plates. The best way that I have seen for scanning printed copy is on a drum scanner with an analogue input and digital output. On scanning the copy you slightly de-focus thereby removing the Screen at source and then use software on a PC or Mac to sharpen it up. I would like to hear Gary do a Numanised version of the Blade Runner sound track. Don't get me wrong I really love Vangelis's original but it would be interesting. Also I would be interested in Classical music getting the same treatment. He did such a good job on the B-side to WAG. Hey Micromuzak. I can't understand any one wanting to 'Flame' you , you made some very reasonable remarks. I to understand his need to do it all him self. I would much rather make the mistakes my self than have some one do them for me. So things he just can't do and I think he realises this and passes on what he believes is just beyond him. That is all for now, take care everyone. Have a fantastic Christmas or whatever you want to call it and if you have a god I hope he/she/it goes with you. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:15:38 +0000 From: Tom Gorham <> Subject: Gary takes on To: "Gary Numan" <> >I really must disagree on the first point; at least with Cleopatra, I would >say they were more interested in the new album (Exile), or at least equally >interested in that and the back catalog Maybe Clepotra is, but the facts rather suggest otherwise. The record company has been falling over itself to release compilations of old material. I know Gary isn't interested in his old stuff, but he sold the rights to it quickly enough in order to secure a record deal. If he was as confident of his new material as he SHOULD have been, he shouldn't have passed on rights to all his old stuff. > As far as doing everything himself... >While this may have limited his career to a degree, I feel that >his self motivation has been the only thing that has sustained his career. True up to a few years ago, but I honestly think that Gary has lost all motivation now. I mean, it's been a year since Exile, and he's spent ONE DAY in a studio! If Gary was as keen to follow up press interest in him, shouldn't he have been a little more self-motivated. The great thing about getting others to help you is that they give you a kick up the arse when needed. And I think Gary does need that now. Regards Tom Gorham ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:42:43 +1100 From: "Peter Enright" <> Subject: got ya covered Rod ... To: "Digest Numan" <> To all those Numanites who don't like poor old Rod's covers; do what the Russians do with their pirate CD's - replace the covers with cheesy girlie pinups! :-) BTW I know our lad hasn't quite made it here yet, 'cos I ain't seen any of his stuff pirated yet, but you'll know when they do. I'll have to be revived first though ... Oh and the least appropriate song for Gaz, one which I'd love to hear him destroy, is God Save The Queen ... could be a hit, Betty Windsor may even tap a foot to it, bet the corgis would howl to it ... sorry, too much sun. TikTok Man currently having a cool Yule down under ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:15:36 +0000 From: Tom Gorham <> Subject: graphic designers To: "Gary Numan" <> said on 20/12/98 7:00 am >Just had to pipe in when I read this "defense" of poor quality artwork. I >am a professional graphic designer and digital photo composer. <snip> This seems a rather long and unrequested resume to post in the Numan mailing list. There was no need to explain what 'moire' is. Those who know, know, and those who don't don't care. Any half-decent graphic designer (as you claim to be) should have more class than to criticise other people's work so nastily. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:45:31 GMT From: "brooke.shields" <> Subject: hello again To: Wishing all Numan fans the world over a very Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year. Merry Christmas Gary. We all love you. jackz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:46:19 -0000 From: "downstat" <> Subject: In a Glasshouse To: <> > From: "James Chapman" <> > Subject: In a Glasshouse > Having just got Machine + Soul extended (thanks again, Leon!) and > finally heard "In a Glasshouse", there are some things I would like > to say about it. It's excellent! Firstly, it doesn't suffer from > excessive rock guitar like some songs on the album do. Secondly there > is some very nice backing vocal work, like on "Berserker" or "My > Breathing" (what I can think of off the top of my head). Thirdly Gary > doesnt submerge his voice in female vocals. Fourthly, it's very > catchy. And fifthly, there's no annoying sax or stupid > horrid-sounding synthy bits (a la Poison, Dark Sunday, Devotion, > Emotion) > Agreed. In a Glasshouse is way better than most of M&S, and certainly 100 times better than the awful Emotion. The track has a certain style that was missing off most of the music Numan was producing in the early 90s. The production is crisp - the song is not drowned out by over production, and the use of the female vocal gives it a chilling eerie effect. Listening to the track at the time convinced me that there was still a bit of genius in Numan, amongst the horror of what was Emotion. Hadn't realised it was missed off the box set. Very odd. Incidently I was pissed off to read in the GNFC newsletter that Eagle are going to rerelease all the Numa albums again next year. Although, having said that at least it gives us a better chance of eventually getting Sacrifice remastered to sound half decent. James went on to say: > In the last digest, Rod Reynolds was proposing a singles > collection. I think this is an excellent idea to follow on from the > BB Premier Hits- all the singles from 84-98 on a single disc (I think > they would all fit on a single wouldn't they?)....etc etc I can't think of anything worse. Its a dreadful idea! The only commercially available records that should be promoted in the foreseeable future should be new Gary Numan albums. Nothing else should detract from that. > Count me in for it Rod !!! Count me out Rod. Austin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:44:01 -0800 From: "Lee, James H" <> Subject: King Biscuit To: "'Numan'" <> Does anybody have a copy of the King Biscuit Flour Hour recording of Numan circa 1980? Does anybody want one? Do you completist's types have them already? What I know: 1. The music is very good. 2. I recently bought a copy of Robin Trower live from about the same era which was another King Biscuit recording. The liner notes say that the King Biscuit group plans to release a few artists recordings each year. Is there a way to get them to release the Numan one? Anybody that knows anymore please e-mail me at or send me a note if you have just an opinion on this. Thanks! "you can't believe the things they do" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:53:36 -0600 From: Jeff Tolva <> Subject: Metal Beat & Tribal To: Hey all, Someone asked which release the track "Metal Beat" is from. "Metal Beat" appears on Babylon 7 and the Numa Years box set. Likewise, the track "Tribal" only appears on Babylon 3 and the recent reissue of The Fury. "Tribal" is the Berserker version of "Call Out The Dogs" recorded in 1984 if I'm not mistaken. The versions on the Babylon series are identical to those released on the box set and The Fury respectively. Both "Metal Beat" and "Tribal" are the "finished" tracks and not demos as far as I know. I remember downloading (from NuWorld) a demo clip which eventually became the track "Metal Beat" some time ago. The only reason I know that clip from NuWorld was a demo was the fact that it had no vocals as of yet, and it was more "rough" in sound compared to the Babylon or box set version. Of course, being a downloadable clip from NuWorld, it was "rough" in sound clarity anyway -:) Again, if anyone is interested in viewing a very "compleat" Gary Numan discography, please stop by Joey Lindstrom's World Wide Webb site and have a look under "The Music", then "Discography", then "Compleat". I think you'll be amazed at the information contained within this text based document. This is a blatant plug, I know :-))) Happy holidays everyone!! Jeff Tolva (The Machman) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:41:34 +0100 From: "M.Tressler" <> Subject: minor things To: Just wanted to say that a co-worker is big into the Pleasure Principle, and wants to see Numan next time he tours the U.S., after I loaned him my PP/Warriors CD. He's bought the PP reissue and is considering Telekon. And his favorite band is Kiss. Go figure (not a slam on Kiss... i like them too). What is "Boys Like Us" that I've seen in some of the more recent signatures? A Merry Christmas to all the "believers" on the digest. To everyone else, happy Friday. MT aka Bookman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 04:18:24 -0500 (EST) From: (David Brezniak) Subject: New Anger To: (Gary Numan) I've got New Anger on cd, too.. Never could get ahold of the Metal Rhythm cd, so I'm still short a few songs.. :-( Cheers for now.. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 09:02:36 -0500 (EST) From: (Alison Koppel) Subject: numan things To: is the sacrifice extended cd available anywhere? what the hell is on the nicholson/numan cd? i haven't seen this album in any store, & am questioning its existence. by the way, i think if beck were to cover numan songs, he would do a great job! beck kind of wants to be numan in a way when you think about it. image wise i mean. picture him on the pleasure principle album cover in the suit instead of gary. would there be much difference? i don't think so. i am also looking for a very good vhs tape that has numan on snl a long time ago. anyone have it? "I JUST WANT TO BE YOUR EVERYTHING. AND SHOW YOU WHEN YOU'RE HOLDING ME, YOU'LL NEVER BE ALONE AGAIN." ~rob & fab~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:44:51 EST From: Subject: NUMAN VIDEO FOR SALE To: I have copies available of the following Numan items ; Touring Principle berserker tour MicroMusic 1981 Various TV/interview appearances If you have any questions please e-mail me !! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:36:09 PST From: "Jenny Beck" <> Subject: OUTALND 4 sale! To: HEY! anyone need OUTLAND... it's in a used cd shope for 9.99 where i saw the I assaiasin rec. promo. i am going back there in a week. so lemme know if anyone wants it. i would get it but i already have it .i found it in canada this year on vaction. get back to me soon!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:39:38 +0000 From: Marc Linekar <> Subject: Prophecy/Angel Wars & Hi To: "" <> Hi, i am recently subscribed to this list and find it totally fascinating after being out of the 'Numan frame' for a few years. Have been a Numan fan since 1979 when i heard AFE and saw Gary on the Touring Principle. I am 32 and live in Oxford. Enough of that anyway. Question!!!!! I have just finished listening to Exile (and reading the lyrics) and have to ask if anyone has ever seen a film called the 'Prophecy' (Gary????). I saw this film about 6-8 weeks ago and the story follows the lines of a war in Heaven called "The Angel Wars", where Gabriel is leading a war against God. It is a fantastic film and i cant get over how much the film and the album relate to each other. Was there any influence here????? If anyone out there knows where i might be able to replace my copy of 'the blue album' (blue vinyl & gatefold sleeve) then please email me at the address below (dont laugh). -- Marc Linekar (Oxford, England) ICQ# 7915554 ---------------------------------------------------- Reptivaria Herpetologica ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:14:19 +1100 From: "E. Bunce" <> Subject: Sister Ray + C&W To: <> Thanks to all the Digesters who replied to reassure me Exile Extended was on its way from Sister Ray, and indeed I received it today. And I think it's great. Like the others, my invoice noted that Nicholson/Numan is "Not yet released - Re-order", so it looks like the targeted release date was missed (10 Dec I think). Further to Riana's scary suggestion that Gary should try covering Garth Brooks or John Denver (last Digest), I'd like to propose "The Devil/God Being Went Down to Georgia", with Chris Payne & Billy Currie doing the duelling violins bit. E. Bunce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:06:53 +1300 From: "D & J Hall" <> Subject: Vo est da newsgroup? To: <> Hi, I usually rely on recieving the digest but have found that, on occasion, the newsgroup provided a more real time update. This morning I went to check the newsgroup because the digest seemed to be 'late' and my newsreader couldn't find it! Has the newsgroup disappeared? or has my *%#*$ing ISP simply removed it from their server? Darren Hall. (BTW - My M$ newsreader has lost all track of what the group was called) ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************