Gary Numan Digest Sun, 27 Dec 98 Volume 1 : Issue 498 Today's Topics: A King's disdain for Exile Compleat discography ? Gary Numan Digest V1 #497 (2 msgs) Merry christmas from Nicole Meier and Stefan Weber ! No Subject Numan Music For Sale Thank you's and witchman/astralbody(?) cars 12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:59:10 -0500 From: "Warren, Sam" <SWarren@ibes.com> Subject: A King's disdain for Exile To: "'numan@cs.uwp.edu'" <numan@cs.uwp.edu> In the last digest, King Richard asked: >why has there been so much bashing as of lately of the DREAM C. live >cd?????...It is a 2 disc live cd of mostly old material from the first 3 >albums...the last live one that he released. I always thought it sounded ? >great...why is this thing disliked so much? no one explains why. I too thought Dream Corrosion was a terrific live album with some great renditions of some of my favorite material. >I am more than happy to explain why I don't like EXILE... Ah, this is the part I really wanted to address: >I don't like the musical direction he took on it. The over use of GOD >bashing, (I think that move turned people away from him. Of course it >attracted this little kids who think it's cool....) He turned his back on >the sound that he made most of us fans with. I think of EXILE as his worst. It's fine that you explain what it is you dislike about Exile, but I wanted to add my opinion to your debate. I don't see the album as "God bashing" at all. It's merely a fictional story. If it's true that his lyrics here "turned people away from him," that is certainly their prerogative, just as it is entirely up to Gary to express himself artistically in any manner he chooses. Since Gary has admitted to having difficulty with various religious beliefs, it is perfectly understandable that he would want to write from an alternative point of view. I am a big believer in freedom of speech, and am quite glad Gary has the opportunity to write and perform whatever interests him. Just the same way that Madonna and Sinead O'Connor in their ways may question the structure of Catholicism, Gary has every right to tell his stories the way he wishes. In my opinion, no one has yet proven definitively either the existence or non-existence of a creator, and so every voice is still worth a listen. :-) As for turning "his back on the sound that he made most of us fans with," I rather enjoy hearing an artist grow and expand his focus. I personally disliked the direction he took on the Outland and Machine & Soul discs, but have found myself continually intrigued by his sound nonetheless. Exile is, for me, a most entertaining collection. Although I prefer Sacrifice overall, I found them both to be thoroughly enjoyable and I'm most pleased with this latest work. It has been exciting for me to watch Gary explore many artistic avenues over the years. His work with Bill Sharpe seems to have interested me much more than it did many other fans (Breathe In Emotion, I'm On Automatic and No More Lies all get to me in a way that's hard to describe), and I believe Dance is vastly underrated (Slowcar To China - "I forgot not to call/And now we're out of love," A Subway Called 'You,' Crash, She's Got Claws, Cry The Clock Said - wow! talk about a diverse palette of artistic expression!). But! not everybody likes every album. My point is that it's up to Gary to delve into whatever style interests him. If you find yourself disapproving, perhaps his next direction will appeal to you. And while we're speaking of Exile, I've been meaning to write in for a few weeks now. HMV has a copy of a Japanese pressing of Exile that boasts two new tracks. But since the songs are listed in Japanese characters, I have no idea what these two extra tracks are. Does anyone out there know? Were they already on the Dominion Day single or should I scoop this thing up? Any help will be appreciated. Sam Warren (always in favor of artistic growth) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:24:56 -0000 From: "The Waiter" <the.waiter@virgin.net> Subject: Compleat discography ? To: "numan digest" <numan@cs.uwp.edu> jeff, I hate to say it but your compleat discograghy is as complete as Gary's next CD back to the drawing board. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:42:02 +0000 From: Emperor <palpatine@imperialcity.demon.co.uk> Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #497 To: Gary Numan <numan@cs.uwp.edu> In message <199812240700.BAA19040@cs.uwp.edu>, numan@cs.uwp.edu writes >Now if most of you will not take this as a chance to >attack me over my comments about EXILE -- Well, Richard, You DO talk absolute BOLLOCKS, don`t you ? ! If GN had stayed in the musical rut he was in and had kept on pleasing older fans who wanted him to remain in the little niche they`d all made for him, well, we wouldn`t be seeing the likes of EXILE etc. ( which might please you, but his mirrors tarnished with no help ). EXILE, along with SACRIFICE are two of his best albums to date ( No, I`m not a young fan who thinks it`s cool, I am an original `78 er ). I wish the older fans would stop thinking they own GN and know what is best for his career...if you don`t like what he does now, GET THE F**K OUTTA HERE !! Live in your past, clinging on to the OLD MUSIC! -- Stephen G Bramley "There is no comfort in fame when it dies" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:47:08 +0000 From: Emperor <palpatine@imperialcity.demon.co.uk> Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #497 To: Gary Numan <numan@cs.uwp.edu> In message <199812240700.BAA19040@cs.uwp.edu>, numan@cs.uwp.edu writes >Question!!!!! I have just finished listening to Exile (and reading the >lyrics) and have to ask if anyone has ever seen a film called the >'Prophecy' (Gary????). I saw this film about 6-8 weeks ago and the story >follows the lines of a war in Heaven called "The Angel Wars", where >Gabriel is leading a war against God. It is a fantastic film and i cant >get over how much the film and the album relate to each other. Was there >any influence here????? -- I had asked that question myself on the World Wide Webb ( Joey Lindstroms site ) and received no answers but I definitely saw a resemblance myself...anyone else ?? -- PALPATINE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:21:55 EST From: Webst@aol.com Subject: Merry christmas from Nicole Meier and Stefan Weber ! To: nigel@deadheaven.u-net.com, SomaCrow@aol.com, TURNERD@TFSEUR.CO.UK, Hello !!! We would like to wish all our local, national and international friends a Merry Christmas with a lot of nice presents..... and a very successful, Happy New Year 1999 ! Best wishes !!! NICOLE MEIER and STEFAN WEBER PS: We are now able to get FAXES via E-MAIL attachment from AOL. Please bookmark our new FAX adress: 040-3603 155162 (national) 0049-40-3603 155162 (international) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:09:53 EST From: VRcadia@aol.com Subject: No Subject To: numan@cs.uwp.edu >This seems a rather long and unrequested resume to post in the Numan >mailing list. There was no need to explain what 'moire' is. Those who >know, know, and those who don't don't care. >Any half-decent graphic designer (as you claim to be) should have more >class than to criticize other people's work so nastily. It is amazing to me that anyone on the list that goes into any depth about a topic gets flamed for being too boring or taking up too much bandwidth. Never mind that I prefaced this whole thing by saying those with no interest should skip past it all. My "resume" as you put it was mentioned to illustrate that I am not a lay person in this particular subject. As for the "implied" sarcasm regarding the veracity of my abilities as a graphic designer the less said the better. However if you had bothered to try and understand what I was saying, I was not being "nasty" about other people's work. I was pointing out that the quality of the work was not up to professional standards. If my taking pride in the quality of work in our industry by pointing this out is taken as "nasty" or unclassy, that is not my problem. I reiterate...the bottom line is the covers look bad. This is NOT a debate about the subjective merits of design, but rather on the obvious visible FACT of shoddy printing caused by poor scanning, lack of digital retouching and bad pre-press. Mitchell Gore ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 02:44:12 EST From: kf9ug@leogate.kf9ug.ampr.org Subject: Numan Music For Sale To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I'm offering some of my Numan CDs for sale. The list includes: Strange Charm, Outland, New Anger, The Skin Mechanic, Sacrifice, Telekon/I, Assassin, Replicas/Fury, and Dream Corrosion. For more info, see... http://mikeday.rexnet.net/kf9ug/music/gnuman/sale.html Single CDs for $15, Doubles for $25. USA Shipment Only. Shipping included. Only one copy of each available. Outland, New Anger, and The Skin Mechanic are US only original releases. Please reserve by email. Payment by Money Orders only. Email "mikeday@day-lite.com" to reserve your copy. More details on the "Remind Me To Smile" web site. http://mikeday.rexnet.net/kf9ug/music/gnuman/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- God Bless! 73 de Michael KF9UG Email... kf9ug@kf9ug.rexnet.net OR kf9ug@leogate.kf9ug.ampr.org Ham Packet: KF9UG@KF9UG.#NIN.IN.USA.NOAM FWARIG Website: http://mikeday/rexnet.net/kf9ug/gateway/ TELNET or FTP to FWARIG: kf9ug.rexnet.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:11:29 PST From: "James Choma" <jchom@hotmail.com> Subject: Thank you's and To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hi everyone! First off, let me say "thank you" to everyone who helped me find out information on the "Human" and "Automatic" albums. I found the information to be very helpful and thanks to Shane and Benjamin, I was able to secure copies of each. Thank you, again. Also, I found that Amazon.com UK has copies of "Praying to the Aliens" in stock. If you'd like the hardcover version (10.39 UK, Roughly $17.50 in U.S. Currency), click to this link: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ISBN=0233992057/hauntsandbypathsA/ Paperback copies (5.59 UK, Roughly $9.38 in U.S. Dollars) : http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ISBN=0233993371/hauntsandbypathsA/ Thanks again, Jim ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:39:06 PST From: "roger smith" <rog808numa@hotmail.com> Subject: witchman/astralbody(?) cars 12 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu hello all! My name is Roger and I'm new to the digest. I'm 28 and i'm from Houston, Tx. and I've been a Numan fan since '84. I have lots of questions to ask but only one for today. I have two 12" that i picked up in L.A. in '96 and I'm still really in the dark about them. The first is neon green w/orange labels w/no writing on either side. This one has never been opened but looks to have a mix on both sides. The next is neon orange vinyl w/green label and has a track on each side as well that are both cars and both faster and equally away from the original than anything that appears on Random 2. Thanks for your time. Peace ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************