Gary Numan Digest Thu, 31 Dec 98 Volume 1 : Issue 499 Today's Topics: <none> (2 msgs) Alive and Flame-Retardant? am I to be EXILED???? Austin Christmas and Exile Emotion tour programme Exile + 2 Exile and Sacrifice Exile Extended Gary doing it all himself Gary Numan Lyric Generator GN discography updates Greetings and Salutations! house cleaning I won't kneel down, a reply JAMES CHOMA New Single older fans reply to KING RICHARD reponse fury Song Of The Week WHAT OTHERS MY THINK. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:19:56 PST From: "Jenny Beck" <spacelab12@hotmail.com> Subject: <none> To: numan@cs.uwp.edu whats the adress to the NU street store.? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 05:10:34 PST From: "Jenny Beck" <spacelab12@hotmail.com> Subject: <none> To: numan@cs.uwp.edu maureen rumble.... which song is it.... come on... i dont have time to rent it now!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 09:19:45 +0000 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Alive and Flame-Retardant? To: Gary Numan <numan@cs.uwp.edu> Dear All, Is it safe to come up now? The last time I posted to the list, I told people about Danny Turner and the "Asylum" service. I thought I was doing people a favour. But what happened? People started slagging Danny off. So, I've kept quiet for a few weeks, even though there have been loads of interesting questions and discussions. (Our man in Moscow please note!) And Austin, you're such a pessimist! Love to all, Paddy Vickers --------------------------------------------------------- Visit <www.bahai.org> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:52:34 -0000 From: "richard carter" <kingofeightiesmusic@angelfire.com> Subject: am I to be EXILED???? To: "gary numan digest" <numan@cs.uwp.edu> HOWDY !!!!!! KING RICHARD HERE... a majority of the digest about me. an honor. I am the only one to be crazy enough to make such comments about "his greatest work to date" I think of that as REPLICAS, I made no comments about that one. Let's see, I am the trouble maker....no, I am a NUMAN fan, have been since '79. when I got ahold of a copy of REPLICAS by accident when someone was trying to buy me a present. "HOW CAN YOU CALL YOURSELF A NUMAN FAN & YOU HATE EXILE?" simple....the same way you are fans & you hate MACHINE & SOUL. When did you realize that you didn't like M& SOUL?? first listen? second listen? Did you tell everyone then that you hated NUMAN'S new album of the time. hhmmm. Or did you wait until NUMAN later on said he didn't like it that you thought it was ok to be vocal about it? I just told the way I felt about it. As it was brought up, NUMAN has the freedom of speech. Funny, so do I. If I do not like a album that you do, it does not make me any less a fan or you any more of one than I. After all, I like MACHINE & SOUL...... some good songs on there, or have you forgotten? "YOU ARE SOME HOLY ROLLER THAT CANT HANDLE IT." no, I do not think anyone should push religion or lack there of, on anyone. What ever gets you through this life.....as for not handling it, what. like this is the first time NUMAN has mentioned GOD?? THIS WREAKAGE "and what if GODS dead?" SKIN GAME "Id steal from GOD , wouldnt you?" most of the SACRIFICE cd, and many more. It just seemed to be a bit more this time around. so maybe I am crazy. Am I to be EXILED then? --- King Richard The Kingdom King Richard's 80's Musical Kingdom: Stay for dinner next time...we're having barbecued iguana! http://www.angelfire.com/hi/kingofeightiesmusic/index.html Check out the interview from THE CHURCH at KING OF 80'S MUSIC http://www.angelfire.com/hi/kingofeightiesmusic/reviews.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:25:12 +0000 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Austin To: Gary Numan <numan@cs.uwp.edu> I've just read Austin's review of Exile Extended. And a few days ago I put my foot in it (again) by saying that he is so pessimistic! Oh well! Please forgive me. And King Howdy Richard, I've just listened to Exile for the 59th time. It just GROWS and GROWS on you. (Unless of course you sell it for $3!) Paddy Vickers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:21:10 -0000 From: "Smithbolas" <asylum@telinco.co.uk> Subject: Christmas and Exile To: "Numan Digest" <numan@cs.uwp.edu> Hope everyone had a good Christmas. I finally received the Numa Years box set, which for the most part I am happy with. With exception to the production on 'Machine and Soul' and 'Sacrifice'. A mate also got me 'Living Ornaments 81'. These are 2 things that I would not have received if it wasn't for going online over the past year and discovering this digest, as the last Numan product I bought was 'Machine and Soul'. This brings me onto my next point, how can King Richard state that with 'Exile', Numan turned his back on the sound that he made most of his fans with. If this was the case then surely we would have deserted him around 1981. I actually was a follower until 'Machine and Soul' when I realised that I was listening to something that I didn't enjoy listening to at all and that I was only buying his releases because I was a Numan fan. I decided to buy 'Exile' through curiosity after a lot of discussion about it on this digest. I sat open mouthed thoughout my first listening, I couldn't believe this was the same man that had brought the horrible synth,funk, rock, jobbie that I had listened to some years earlier. I won't even bother to talk about the lyrical content, as personally I find it secondary to the musical one anyway. Since I got the album I play it at least once a day, which it bad news for everyone else in my house. This is something that I haven't done with any artist in years. Roll on the next album, as that is what I will be listening to. You just keep listening to his cover of 'U got the look' and be happy that it sounds like your Numan. Gary S. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:35:51 -0600 From: Jeff Tolva <machman@interaccess.com> Subject: Emotion tour programme To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hey all, Does anyone have an extra copy of the Emotion tour programme from Sep/Oct 1991 to sell me? I thought I'd try anyway :-) If you can't sell me a copy of it, can you at least tell me the band members and instruments listed on the programme itself? I still need this information for the "Compleat" GN discography on Joey Lindstrom's "World Wide Webb" site. I own all the tour programmes from 1983 to 1998, except for (you guessed it) the Emotion tour from 1991. It's far from totally complete I know, but I'm doing the best I can. That last line was for "The Waiter" :-) Jeff Tolva (The Machman) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:52:48 +0100 From: DE VISSCHER Luc <luc.devisscher@bfeurope.com> Subject: Exile + 2 To: NUMAN Digest <numan@cs.uwp.edu> This Japanese version of Exile including 2 additional tracks, is in my possession. The 2 tracks added are the extended versions of Dominion Day and (I think) Dead Heaven (or was it Angel wars?). Anyway, if you have the CD single of DD, or Extended Exile, you have them!. Best regards, Luc DE VISSCHER BRIDGESTONE/FIRESTONE EUROPE luc.devisscher@bfeurope.com TEL +32.2.714.68.15 FAX +32.2.714.68.19 GSM +32.75.680.560 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:47:30 EST From: Phabrams@aol.com Subject: Exile and Sacrifice To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I had been meaning to write for quite some time now about the Exile and Sacrifice albums. With all the recent discussion of their merit, I'd like to say that both albums are not only of first rate quality but also show a deeply creative developement in Gary Numan's music. This is a profoundness in his writing that comes from maturity and experience. While I always enjoyed his work from the late 70's and early 80's, these 2 albums I feel to be outstanding. They not only are a pinnacle of thought and writing for Gary's career so far, but I feel they are among the best albums in "rock" music. Paul Abrams ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:21:26 +1100 From: Bart.Tieman@metrotas.com.au Subject: Exile Extended To: "'numan@cs.uwp.edu'" <numan@cs.uwp.edu> (IPM Return Requested) Hello everyone Hope your all enjoying the festive season. I received my copy of Exile extended last week and must say that I'm quite happy with it. The presentation is spot on and the songs are more atmospheric. The biggest surprise though for me was the Angel Wars. On Exile this was always the one that I disliked. On most of Garys albums there is a track that dosen't cut it for me. On Sacrifice it was You Walk In My Soul, On Machine + Soul it was Love Isolation and on Exile it was Angel Wars. That was until I heard the extended version. This song is brilliant!!! I have never known an extended version to change my perception of a song as much as this one. Unbelieveable. It was worth getting the C'.D. just to hear this track. Happy New Year All Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 09:15:21 +0000 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Gary doing it all himself To: Gary Numan <numan@cs.uwp.edu> Tom Gorham asks whether Gary even built his new studio by himself. Of course not. He's not stupid!!!! He got his dad to help him. Paddy Vickers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:52:57 -0600 From: Dave Carlson <carlsond@dpg.devry.edu> Subject: Gary Numan Lyric Generator To: "'numan@cs.uwp.edu'" <numan@cs.uwp.edu> I think that a lot of you will find this amusing: http://www.megs.com/neworld/sf1.htm Dave Carlson Instructional Media & Computer Lab Supervisor DeVry Institute of Technology 1221 N. Swift Rd. Addison, IL 60101 Voice: (630) 953-1300 ext. 1708 FAX: (630) 953-1236 e-mail: carlsond@dpg.devry.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:58:08 -0600 From: Jeff Tolva <machman@interaccess.com> Subject: GN discography updates To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Fellow Numanoids, The word "massive" is only a slight amount of recent hours I've spent updating the "Compleat" Gary Numan discography located on Joey Lindstrom's "World Wide Webb" site, but I think most fans will notice most of the release dates to be highly accurate now. I should have done this a long time ago, but the additions alone were all I could keep up with for some time. I rearranged many of the entries in the short and full discographies, but I spent many hours comparing all 33 (the first 33) newsletters and all yearbooks (1981-1998) that I have from the Fan Club to the Compleat GN discography. I've done a great deal of "filling in" release dates, etc., and I think I finally have it in sync now :-) If anyone has any information which is missing or needs correcting, please pass it onto me. I welcome all contributions which will make it even more "compleat"! Thanks to "The Waiter" for the inspiration of this undertaking. I hope you'll all visit Joey's site and have a look at it sometime! Jeff Tolva (The Machman) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:18:56 PST From: "E Kinsey" <sanguisuga@hotmail.com> Subject: Greetings and Salutations! To: numan@cs.uwp.edu May I first say, Happy Holidays to all!! That is, if you're into that sort of thing... I was recently introduced to the magic that is Numan via the 'Dark City' soundtrack. Loved the film, its dark atmosphere and weird creepy crawly things inhabiting the dead, so I naturally had to rush out and buy the soundtrack. I had listened to it a dozen times over before I even bothered to check the artists. Lo and behold, my favorite track, 'Dark' was recorded by one Gary Numan. Hmmm, I thought to myself. Wasn't that the chap who did 'Cars'? Yes, yes, hold down on the hissing noises. So I was oblivious. After all, I am only 23. Anyhoo, I found a copy of Exile at my local import store, and just HAD to buy it, you know, to see if it was any good. Listened to it for three weeks solid. And then....GASP!!! He came to Seattle. Yes, by some miracle of chance I noticed the advert, and dragged a rather unwilling friend to go see him. And fell in love. I now have Gary in my blood like a virulent disease, whoo, I feel all flushed!! Luckily for me, I came into Gary around the same time that all the re-issues were coming out, so it's been rather easy to find his CD's. I was also lucky enough to hook up with a fan who has been collecting since '81. (Melissa, baby, love ya!!!) I have a point, here, honest. She even GAVE me a poster from the '84 Berserker tour!! Numan fans are the BEST!! So, through her kindest graces, I saw a video for the song "Change Your Mind". I know that it is Numan/Sharpe, but I was wondering if anyone could tell me which album it is on, and how easy it is to find the Numan/Sharpe stuff. I was really intrigued with the whole concept behind the video. Oh! Me in a nutshell. You can call me E, I am a 23 year old female writer currently living near Seattle, Washington. I make my living as a corporate drone for Costco Wholesale Corp. Whoo-hoo!! I play no musical instruments, but I did sing a bit in high school. I also listen to NIN, Violent Femmes, and Oingo Boingo, along with many others. I'm also rather fond of Dr. Demento's compliations. If anyone has any questions, or any info on Numan/Sharpe, please feel free to give me a virtual ring! Thanks so much...you guys are the best!! "They're coming to take me away ha haa..." --ek ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:51:42 -0800 From: obscure@blueneptune.com Subject: house cleaning To: Numan News Digest <numan@cs.uwp.edu> Hello fellow Numanoids, As the year comes to a close, I'm sitting here looking back at 1998 and thinking about what a truly amazing year it was. I've spent more than half my life listening to Gary's music, buying records and CDs, swapping tapes and videos, being decidedly outre' and sometimes ridiculed. I think I had gotten used to the fact that I might never see him perform in the US again, and become content with the fact that I did get to see him twice before, when I was young and music was all that mattered. Now I'm 34 and music still matters, but has to share time and energy with work, friends, family, and the details of living. And then I remember this spring, and that I DID get to see Gary perform live again. And to top that, I got to meet the person whose voice has been one of the few constant things in my life over the last 18 years. And with Gary's return to the US, I got to meet up with a whole community of people like myself who have followed him through the years. Yes, 1998 was a wonderful year. I want to wish everyone a happy new year, and to thank Derek and Dave for continuing to provide this forum for all of us fans of Gary Numan to talk, argue, quibble, banter, and rave about the man and his music. Be well, Lisa - another proud member of "Boys Like Us" ________________________ obscure@blueneptune.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:23:12 -0800 From: "Allan" <allan@salem6.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: I won't kneel down, a reply To: <numan@cs.uwp.edu> Dear Valerie or Ben Iglar-Mobley, Your musings on Gazzas Blasphemous comeback are all well and good. Just remember one thing dear, it's only bloody music!!!! Don't you think you are getting a little carried away with all this anti-god shit ? Just listen to the (excellent) music and let Gary get on with shaping his own "comeback", and when the CD finishes playing , go and do the washing up and come back down to earth, OK ? Love and kisses, Big Al. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:16:59 PST From: "Jenny Beck" <spacelab12@hotmail.com> Subject: JAMES CHOMA To: numan@cs.uwp.edu to JAMES CHOMA@@@@@ I definitly recomend the HUMAN cd. I love it. It is a cd of all sounds no voices. There are quit a few samples in it that gary used in alums like outland. and some others. i forget. but it is definitly a gary numan cd. It has his style written all over it. GET THE HUMAN CD! GET IT! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:59:30 +1100 From: Bart.Tieman@metrotas.com.au Subject: New Single To: "'numan@cs.uwp.edu'" <numan@cs.uwp.edu> (IPM Return Requested) Gary's should release 1999 as a new single for the new year. Hit for sure :) Happy New Year everyone. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:30:30 +0800 From: Jean Burgess <Jeanb@echidna.stu.cowan.edu.au> Subject: older fans To: Gary Numan <numan@cs.uwp.edu> > From: Emperor <palpatine@imperialcity.demon.co.uk> > I wish the older fans would stop thinking they own GN and know what is > best for his career...if you don`t like what he does now, GET THE F**K > OUTTA HERE !! Live in your past, clinging on to the OLD MUSIC! Hello there I thought I'd comment on this being an 'older fan' myself, this statement seems to exclude yourself and include all other older fans. I'll speak for myself and say I don't think I own Gary Numan and if I knew what was best for Gary's career I'd be a massively famous pop star by now. I'm curious to know why you would want people to stop thinking about Gary or his music in a particular way. I think there are fans, myself included, who have become very close to Gary, he is very approachable at Numan disco's and I've had many friendly conversations with him. My interpretation of anyone who may come across as claiming ownership, is they may have Gary's best interests at heart and regard themselves as his personal friend, and people often give friendly advice. I think some people have their most favourite style of music, say Punk, so those fans prefer the heavier music, other fans like a range of styles so can follow his progression and experimentation. Personally, I can always find a common element behind the different styles I just have to listen harder with some of the albums. I think everybody has their favourite albums and singles, some may stay essentially with the older music, but it doesn't mean they'll never get into some of the new stuff. I think they have great staying power and enthusiasm to still remain interested in Numan even though nothing new he's done thrills them. There are fans who would just move out to other bands closer to their preferred taste and never listen to Numan again, those fans would miss out I think. Well I'm off to get a new set of crutches made Jean ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:43:13 -0800 From: "Allan" <allan@salem6.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: reply to KING RICHARD To: <numan@cs.uwp.edu> Hi there, your ROYAL HIGHNESS !! Isn't it funny how peoples musical tastes differ? I totally agree with you that DREAM CORROSION is a fine live album. The older songs were very welcome in my opinion. Please Gary, it's about time you dropped CARS and AFE !!!!!!! Yet, I have to disagree with you about the EXILE album. It is, in my opinion, Numans finest to date, Period!! Both the powerful lyrics and huge wall of sound go together perfectly. After saying this though, I totally respect ( even if I do not understand !) the views of someone else. Respect and a happy new year to you all, Big Al. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 05:09:09 PST From: "Jenny Beck" <spacelab12@hotmail.com> Subject: reponse fury To: numan@cs.uwp.edu king richard. i see the fury in all the record stores i go to in MASSACHUSETTS. i've seen it in newbury comix..in boston and salem NH (neighboring ). i'm sure they'll get it where you live in no time. jenny ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:57:27 -0700 From: "Joey Lindstrom" <joey@lindstrom.com> Subject: Song Of The Week To: "numan@cs.uwp.edu" <numan@cs.uwp.edu> The final Song Of The Week of 1998 is a weird one, courtesy Tom Hammel of Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Title: "Cars" Performer: Bytet Album: Ghost Of A White Face Clown I think a lot of you haven't heard this one yet, so you might want to drop by The World Wide Webb with your RealAudio G2 player and check it out. Note: there's a beta Mac player now available from http://www.real.com The World Wide Webb is at: http://www.interocitor.net/worldwidewebb/ Also, I forgot to announce last week's SOTW. My apologies to Troy Walters, whose song it was, and whom I seem unable to contact via email. :-( The song was "Cry, The Clock Said" and it's still available in the SOTW archives. / From Joey Lindstrom joey@lindstrom.com / Interocitor Dot Net http://www.interocitor.net / / Rush Limbaugh's 14 Commandments Of The Religious Left / / NUMBER 6 / / Thou shalt not kill. With these exceptions: life forms under the / second trimester, and those opting for medically assisted suicides. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:34:42 -0000 From: "richard carter" <kingofeightiesmusic@angelfire.com> Subject: WHAT OTHERS MY THINK. To: "gary numan digest" <numan@cs.uwp.edu> HOWDY !!!!!!! KING RICHARD HERE...... As I started to think about it, I wondered if I was trying to own GN. To cripple his career. Take money out of his pocket by not promoting EXILE. (remember I work in a music store) So I did something out of the ordinary . I went to a few music chat rooms on the web. Asked a few questions. Like was there anyone who liked a band's early sound more than their new sound. Found quite a few. Bands like METALLICA, R.E.M., U2 and such were mentioned. I give you one such chat as an example. This was a fan of U2. "So you are a U2 fan?" "Yeah, but of the older stuff." "really? what do you think of the latest cd, POP?" "don't like it." "Did you buy it?" "Of course, I just don't listen to it." "do you still think of yourself as a U2 fan?" "YES !!!!! why wouldn't I?" "What if another fan said that you were not cause you didn't like POP?" "I would say they are full of #@$% " "Why don't you like it?" "Doesn't sound like their other stuff." "By saying that do you think you are trying to own U2 or stop their musical growth?" "Musical growth? POP is nothing more than a sellout." "Why do you say that?" "It was made to be POPular. To sell, have hits." "So what's wrong with that?" "Nothing if you want to sell to a new crowd." "So if someone came to you and asked if they should buy POP, what would you tell them?" "I would tell them they should buy the cd WAR or BOY instead." "Isn't that cutting U2's sales?" "Not if they buy BOY." "will you buy the next album?" "Of course." "Why?" "Cause I am a fan., always will be. Maybe the next one will be better." I think I know what he means. Maybe now, you do too..... --- King Richard The Kingdom King Richard's 80's Musical Kingdom: Stay for dinner next time...we're having barbecued iguana! http://www.angelfire.com/hi/kingofeightiesmusic/index.html Check out the interview from THE CHURCH at KING OF 80'S MUSIC http://www.angelfire.com/hi/kingofeightiesmusic/reviews.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ******************************