Gary Numan Digest Sun, 2 May 99 Volume 1 : Issue 534 Today's Topics: Anyone for Exile? Fear Factory's "Cars" Gary Numan Digest V1 #533 Guitar Chords anyone??? I'm, looking, for, america! (2 msgs) I added you to the Numan mailing list Mucking about with Telekon NEON-LIGHTS Numan Articles Numan hates New Romantics numanoid website ooo baby its a wild world re-instate name... Rock City debate rages Variety of Numan wait, please, not 'Ghost'! WARRIORS : Live recording? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 09:24:09 +0100 From: "Robin Biggs" Subject: To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, My name is Robin Biggs, I am 29 and I live in Chelmsoford, Essex, = England. I first got into Gary Numan at the tender age of 9 when Cars was = released much to my familys dissaproval! I went out and purchased 'The = Pleasure Principle' and the rest as they say is history. I've been fortunate enough to have been to over a hundred concerts now = and still find Gary just as exciting now as I did 20 years ago. I got married on March 23rd 1996 and my honeymoon was the Premier Tour. = I was married in Folkestone, the first 'stop' on that Tour. In recent years I have been a DJ at a few conventions and discos under = the name 'rockin rob'. Unfortunately due to work commitments this hasn't = happened for a while but I hope to pick it up again soon. Anyway, that's enough from me for the time being. Take care, Robin Biggs.=20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, My name is Robin Biggs, I am 29 and I live in = Chelmsoford,=20 Essex, England. I first got into Gary Numan at the tender age of 9 = when Cars=20 was released much to my familys dissaproval! I went out and purchased = 'The=20 Pleasure Principle' and the rest as they say is history. I've been fortunate enough to have been to over a = hundred=20 concerts now and still find Gary just as exciting now as I did 20 years=20 ago. I got married on March 23rd 1996 and my honeymoon = was the=20 Premier Tour. I was married in Folkestone, the first 'stop' on that=20 Tour. In recent years I have been a DJ at a few = conventions and=20 discos under the name 'rockin rob'. Unfortunately due to work = commitments this=20 hasn't happened for a while but I hope to pick it up again = soon. Anyway, that's enough from me for the time = being. Take care, Robin Biggs. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:15:20 +0100 From: Tom Gorham Subject: Anyone for Exile? To: "Gary Numan" When the album Exile came out, I noticed a few people saying that the weakest song was 'Exile' itself. More than a year after buying it, it's the only one I listen to (the rest - apart from 'Innocence Bleeding' - I think is repetitive pseudo-goth drivel, whereas before I found the other songs samey, but listenable). Has anyone else had a similar change of heart? Regards Tom Gorham ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 11:18:54 GMT From: "Reverend Kristina K. Panos" Subject: Fear Factory's "Cars" To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Greetings, Numanoids! Can anyone tell me on when and on what album Fear Factory put their "Cars"? I seem to remember someone saying it was a b-side on a single, but that doesn't help much. Thanks in advance, Kristina _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 11:38:49 -0400 From: Matthew Roberts Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #533 To: Gary Numan >where are "Crash" "Complex" "Aircrash bureau" "Converstaion" "Prophecy" "Seed of >a lie" "Warriors" "Face to face" "She cries" ? and and and and= and.......... >Gary has so many good songs-he should change the hole setlist!!!!! I agree entirely. Nottingham was the most dissappointing Numan gig I have= been to since the Isolate Tour. Numan has himself to blame for the myth that he only has 2 good songs. He= dropped Cars in 1994, he dropped Are Friends Electric in 1998, but they both came back. It's very sad, and incredibly self destructive. How many people on the Digest wouldn't buy a ticket if they new Cars & AFE wouldn'= t be played? Gary insists he's not interested in revivalism, but then admits on stage that he's going to play a lot of old stuff to keep people happy. How abou= t saying fuck off to all those people? Does Gary REALLY need the money that= badly? Who knows, if he actually dropped all that old stuff, the press MIGHT get interested in the new songs. As it is, you can hardly blame the= m if they describe Gary Numan "the man who wrote Cars." The reason the set list wasn't changed greatly was to avoid the time and expense of rehearsing lots of new songs. That's understandable although, = I think, unacceptable. If Gary can't be bothered then I might just not both= er buying a ticket in future. How about this for a set list? Bleed The Angel Wars Prophecy A Question Of Faith The Seed Of A Lie Dark Magic etc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:26:51 -0700 From: Gregor Torrence Subject: Guitar Chords anyone??? To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) offshore@netbistro.com wrote: > I particularly want the chords to "JO THE WAITER" !!! So any help > would be greatly appreciated. :) Jo The Waiter goes like this: Verse [ E D A ]x2 Chorus [ G F A ] (Proof positive that memorable song writing doesn't require too much work in chords department.) Your Are In My Vision, and a transcription of Cars can be found at http://www.harmonycentral.com/Guitar/OLGA/all/gary_numan.html Happy playing, Gregor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:38:14 PDT From: "Jenny Beck" Subject: I'm, looking, for, america! To: numan@cs.uwp.edu i was wondering if any one can tell me where "AMERICA" the song is on CD i have a lot of Gary Numan cd's but the 1st time i heard america was on the replicants page under vision for the downloads of AVI's. thanks :) jenny _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:43:31 PDT From: "Jenny Beck" Subject: I'm, looking, for, america! To: numan@cs.uwp.edu i was wondering if any one can tell me where "AMERICA" the song is on CD i have a lot of Gary Numan cd's but the 1st time i heard america was on the replicants page under vision for the downloads of AVI's. thanks :) jenny _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:46:39 +0100 From: Barry Grahame Cheetham Subject: I added you to the Numan mailing list To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello there. AS you can see my name is Barry Cheetham. I am 28 years old and a postgraduate student at Reading university in sunny England. My subjects are French and education and next year I will be working to become a qualified French teacher. Don't ask me why, I often wonder myself. Home for me is Bury, a small town just north of Manchester. I enjoy music (obviously), football - that's soccer to you I suppose (Manchester City in particular), sci-fi, drinking and decent comedy (Monty Python, for example). I have been listening to Numan for about 17 years man and boy. It was kind of my brother who got me into him by playing Replicas, Telekon, Tubeway Army and The Pleasure Principle at all hours at full volume when we used to share a room, bless him. It kind of blew me away really. The Dance/Assassin/Warriors period was my formative Numan era, so I still have the most fondness for stuff from this time, though I do like the old stuff and the last two lp's as well, but not really the Berserker to Machine and Soul period. I remember reading your on-line review of the "Emotion" cd single years ago and found it summed up my opinion of the downward spiral in Numan's work, and made me laugh in the process. Numan is the main reason I got heavily into music, particularly electronic music. When I was younger I learnt to play the piano, hoping that one day I could, like him, make music using synths. Since then my hopes have been dashed (mainly due to lack of ideas/talent/effort/time/finance), but I still play from time to time though not with any real degree of competence and am currently working on learning the guitar and drums. Other artists I enjoy listening to include The Cure, Depeche Mode, Japan, NIN, Ultravox/Foxx, Gravity Kills, Kraftwerk amongst many others. Mainly electronic stuff; the usual suspects really. Hope this is enough/not too much detail for you. I could write a novel as I'm trying to avoid writing an assignment but I'll spare you! Thanks, Barry. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:15:21 +0100 From: Tom Gorham Subject: Mucking about with Telekon To: "Gary Numan" Why did they muck about with the track listing on Telekon? It is one of my favourite albums - and certainly the one I have most setimental feelings for - but the re-release doesn't follow the original song list, so I haven't bought it. Any ideas why the additional songs aren't tacked on at the end - where they should be? Regards Tom Gorham ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 11:38:16 -0000 From: Markus Dietrich Subject: NEON-LIGHTS To: "'Gary Numan - Digest'" Hello altogether, yes I know, a discussion about stage shows is not that important since Gary will not go on touring so far! But anyway, I think it would be more impressive if Gary will use more Neon Lights again at his shows. (I will get goose-flesh if thinking about that, really) This idea is not originally from me, but from an other german fan, which I met at the Shepherds Bush Show in Nov.1997. (Can't remember the name, sorry) But now I think think he is totally right! NEON-Lights versus (fast) moving Robot-Lights!!! What do other fans think? I don't know if Neon-Lights are no longer available these days, and I think the lights for shows like TouringPrinciple or at Wembley Arena are made especially for Gary, and are not 'of-the-shelf' products. Despite the fact, that Gary can't arrange such big shows any more. I never seen a Neon-based show of Gary. I was at - Outland Tour (Hammersmith Odeon, London, Apr '91) - Premier Tour (Ham. Labatts Apollo, London, Apr '96) - Exile Tour (Shepherds Bush, London, Nov '97) - Exile Tour (Batschkapp, Frankfurt/Ger, Mar '98) - Exile Tour (Incognito, Munich/Ger, Mar '98) The most impressing show was the one in 1991 of course! (with regard to the stage show; it may be also because I have seen Gary live my very first time) bye, Markus from Nuremberg/Germany ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:21:03 -0400 From: Norb Stachowski Subject: Numan Articles To: Gary Numan Newsletter Thanks to Mark Hubbard for supplying the write-up in the December 1989 issue of Music Technology. It is a rather long and interesting interview from a different perspective than can be found in "Fan" publications. To see this interview, please surf over to: http://www3.sympatico.ca/norb.stachowski/ and click on the 'Gary Numan page' link. A reminder: please contact me if you have any Numan articles, from any magazine you would like to contribute to the site. My title page has an area to leave messages or e-mail, thanks again. Norb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:52:42 +0400 From: "Peter Enright" Subject: Numan hates New Romantics To: "Numan Digest" Ahem, In the previous Digest, Benjamin Iglar-Mobley wrote that "Gary was the singular pioneer of the New Romantic sound, and that music is closest to my heart. The early 80s were a promising time for musicians; punk had blown the doors wide open, and we had a flourishing of freedom for individual styles. Just think of the imagery of Adam Ant, Boy George, Cyndi Lauper, early Madonna, even early Michael Jackson, and you can appreciate that the styles of the time were much more adventurous, artful, and free." I would like to add my 2 roubles worth and comment on the above statement as I believe it to be a common misconception: If my vodka-soaked memory serves me, Gaz did not actually spearhead the New Romantic sub-culture, nor does he claim to. It actually stemmed from a London club called The Blitz, run by our old pal Steve Strange of Visage fame, and the frilly-shirted face-painted weirdos who frequented that club were called the Blitz Kids. Various bands like Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet, The Human League, Adam Ant etc. used this new look and they were labelled by the music press as the New Romantics. Fair enough, some of the synth-based pop music of those bands was clearly influenced by Numan and Foxx, but their LOOK was inspired more by the Blitz Kids. Numan never wore big girls' blouses or dandy pirate pants, but he was the underground hero whose musical success paved the way for the more mainstream New Romantic synth pop, but his LOOK remained unique and changed like a chameleon with every album. Which is why he was compared to Bowie ... Any more light that can be shed on this would be appreciated ... TikTokMan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:32:47 +0100 From: t79 Subject: numanoid website To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Thanks to everyone who visited the numanoid website. Just to let you know we have started a worldwide mailing list for anyone whos interested in the Rare Numan section. http:\\www.pmm98.demon.co.uk/numan.htm -- t79 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 01:45:40 +0100 From: "Simon Joseph" Subject: ooo baby its a wild world To: "The Digest" Just had a wee look at the AFE site. What on earth is this duet with Cat Stevens all about? I thought he had changed his name to Muhammad what's his face by then. I have this vision of him going down stairs in the middle of the night (before 'morning has broken'), opening up a six pack, ringing a ruby Murray, calling a couple of chicks up and giving his guitar a bit of welly!.... well I would. Any one got a recording? Maybe someone could post one, it'll make you lots of friends! Nice to see you back Mr Chapman, I hope you've Exiled that Outlandish album SC from your play list after your break :-) Cheers Simon A Proud Member of 'The Still Can't Get Over Tracks Live Club' affiliated to:- A Proud Member of 'Wasnt The Guitar On Angel Wars HARD Club' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:41:57 -0230 From: "Doug Mair" Subject: re-instate name... To: Hi guys. Have'nt received any digests for a couple of weeks... are there problems or can you simply re-instate my E-Mail address? Thanks dougmair@travel-net.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 9:31:16 +0100 (BST) From: "Jon Garland" Subject: Rock City debate rages To: numan@cs.uwp.edu >From: brian@berserka.demon.co.uk >Okay, so it was a one-off gig so it's not going to be perfect, the' new' >track could be unfinished and Rock City is a shed and still I wouldn't have >missed it for the world (great to hear 'Tracks' getting an airing) but >don't get carried away with the 'blind following - Gary can do no wrong' >bit. >You might think I'm being a shit but when people don't speak up you get >albums like 'Machine and Soul'! Extraordinary! Sometimes the moaners in the Numan world bewilder me. Of course not everyone's going to agree about everything, but to have such a negative view of the Rock City gig is bizarre. I'm definitely not one of the 'Gary can do no wrong' brigade, but I certainly know a fantastic gig when I see it. Gary was in great form & the whole gig went down a storm. The place truly rocked. Since Gary's recent 'renaissance' his gigs have been, mostly, excellent. I think he's better live now than he's ever been, & particularly when you compare the gigs he's doing now with those of the late 80s/early 90s, when the venues were sometimes a third, or even a quarter, full, & some of the songs were, quite frankly, awful. With moaning like that from Brian above, some Numan fans deserve 'Machine & Soul'! Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:41:17 GMT0BST From: "James Chapman" Subject: Variety of Numan To: numan@cs.uwp.edu In 533, Ben Iglar Mobley wrote: > I think I expressed my gratitude here some months ago to James Chapman > for running the album survey. If I didn't, thanks, James. You did, thanks very much although I think it was just to me not the digest. I was pleased that some people like you were so enthusiastic, because I was rather disappointed that out of around 500 or so digest members, I only got 30 votes. I know some people won't have heard all the albums but less than 10%? Didn't you all want a say? :-) I was > gratified to see 'Telekon' nab top honors among the fans; when someone > creates a masterpiece, it deserves recognition as such. Almost all the top votes were for Replicas, TPP, Dance or Exile and of course Telekon. I beleive I am the only person on this planet who thinks that Strange Charm is Gary's masterpiece although Gary himself doesn't realise it :-) But I also > enjoyed it to see how my rankings differed from everyone else's, and one > of the most notable ones was that I love 'Metal Rhythm' while others > don't. Some you agree with, some you don't. I agree about Metal Rhythm, I was quite disappointed to see it come out as low as it did, as with Strange Charm. > "The Joy Circuit"-- Gary's finest song, and the pinnacle of 'The > Machine'-- even there you can hear that period coming to a close. > Sorry, King Rich, it had to end. "Rewind, cry, well it's somewhere to > go." > Of course it had to go, I don't think he would have lasted this long if he had kept putting out Telekon type albums through the 80s. He might have done better in the short term as I think a lot of people stopped being fans after Dance, but I reckon most of those who did are still here now. The change in styles are what make the machine albums classics. That's the great thing about Numan, you never know what's coming next, although I do think Exile was a bit too much like Sacrifice. Gary, you MUST get rid of that slowed-down syntho drum-machine thing for the next album, please not 3 albums of that same thing. :-) > > 'New Anger,' the US version of the album, is pretty much the same album. > The songs "Devious" and "New Anger" are supposedly remixes, but pretty > much imperceptably so. The songs "Hunger" and "Young Heart" were left > off and "Child With The Ghost" and a remix of "My Dying Machine" were > added in their place, I suppose because the studio heads thought they > would make the album more appealing to US tastes. The remix of "My > Dying" fits in with the rest of the album pretty well, but "Child With" > sounds out of place. The original album is definitely worth trying to > dig up a copy of. I've already said stuff about the track order of New Anger a few digests ago. I want a copy for these remixes if nothing else. But I'm sure if I had to have one of the two albums, Metal Rhythm would be the one to have. Cheers, James, a proud member of the "I disagree with most Numanoids' album tastes" club :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:25:19 -0500 From: Valerie Iglar-Mobley Subject: wait, please, not 'Ghost'! To: Rod Reynolds Dear Rod, It's great to hear the news about what's in the pipeline at Cleo, but I'm worried we're about to make another mistake. You said 'Ghost' is going to be reissued in the states. With my apologies to Sam Warren, that is NOT what should be released. Yes, I love the album. A lot of us love the album. A lot of us already have it, and wouldn't buy it again. Let me suggest-- again-- what SHOULD get released, and what would be bought by every last one of us is... a new live album. Come on, there have to be some master tapes around somewhere, from one of the nights on that last tour, right? How else did we get the live versions on the "Dominion Day" singles? Couldn't Cleo approach Gary about releasing that instead? I know it would seem like a taller order for them at first, but what would be the cost outlays for a single disc versus a double? Just keep it to a single, it'll stand a better chance of getting realized and released. Who's with me on this? Wouldn't we love to get our hands on a copy of that amazing version of "Friends"? Okay, I've made my point. Thanks for keeping us informed. Sorry you're meeting that resistance, even from Gary! Seems like he's doing it to himself again, trying to keep his artistic integrity while sacrificing some marketability. lots of love, Benjamin Iglar-Mobley * * * "Do you go to the dungeon? To find out how to make peace with your days in the dungeon?" --Alanis Morrisette ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:42:02 PDT From: "ian blair" Subject: WARRIORS : Live recording? To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Just wondered of many people knew anything about a live recording of the 'WARRIORS' tour? I have an old tape (which still sounds great!) which was recorded back in (approx) 1984ish, by my best mate at that time, straight off the radio. I can't remember if it was Radio 1 (improbable?), or another BBC station, or commercial radio. All I can remember is that it went out late, on a Saturday night. To be broadcast on radio, surely it must have been recorded properly (is this from the mixing desk or another professional means?), so I'm wondering if there were ever any plans to release a 'live' album from that tour? If master tapes existed, then will they still exist? A great idea would be for BB to include a similar 'live' album with their reissue of 'Warriors', as they did with the 'Tubeway Army/Live at the Roxy' album. The tape I have only has 13 tracks on it, so that would be a good size to include free, with the reissue, rather than a whole concert. Or this tape old news…? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ****************************** _______________________________________________________________________ _____ ____ ____ _____ _____ / \ | | / \ / \ / \ / \ | |-----| |-----| | |-----| |-----| | | | G | | A | | | R | | Y | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----| |-----| | |-----| |-----| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | N | E | W | S |=====| | | | | | | | & | | | | | | | \_____/ I | N | F | O | | | | is produced and distributed by Derek Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, mail to: numan@cs.uwp.edu If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, you can mail to numan-request@cs.uwp.edu ----------------- The Gary Numan Digest is brought to you via Datta Production and Development, 905 97th Street, Kenosha, WI 53143 USA datta@cs.uwp.edu and computer resources courtesy of University of Wisconsin-Parkside and Datta Production and Development. 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