Gary Numan Digest Thu, 20 May 99 Volume 1 : Issue 539 Today's Topics: About Credit... All sorts cleo' art work Correction. For Sale GN EXHIBITION LP Fw: Mobile Phone Fraud FYI General agreements :-) Good price for Numa Years box set? Hallo Rod Insignificant blatherings from a lurker Numan mentioned in Funday Times Potentially stupid questions Random Comments Rock City (AGAIN!!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:17:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Ruiz Subject: About Credit... To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hi gang, Off and on the topic of the "Radio Heart" CD comes up. Many out there have had bad luck in obtaining. I feel for ya guys, I really do. Many out there say they have been debited (of their credit cards, at least) and that's sad, too. I don't know about YOUR credit card companies...but assumed it was SOP that if you are billed for something you didn't GET...you call the 1-800 # and you DISPUTE the charge. Let them hash it out. Reason I'm pointing this out is...a few years back I had the SAME problem with ordering from NuWorld. I charged a BUNCH of Numan CDs..right from the source, waited...waited...and...nothing came. When my Visa Statement came...the Numan charge was on it...I called them, asking what to do? "Disputing" the charge was their idea, not mine. In plain English what they told me was: "Do not pay, for what you do not HAVE." So, I didn't. Made sense to me. Keep that in mind, credit card users, if you order from online.. (Numan, or otherwise) ME _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:57:10 +0100 From: Mark Subject: All sorts To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Subject: All sorts To: "numan@cs.uwp.edu" Helloooooo! Eyes been gone a long time and I have 4 digests to get through! > Gregor Torrence wrote > > >> That Empty Bed Empty Heart song sound's like it's from the Dance or > >> Telekon session's. Warriors ? > I call your attention to the instrumentation: > 1. The bass that comes in later is fretless. That rules out Telekon, > since Paul Gardiner was a fretted kind of a guy. It _sounds _ like_ Andy Coughlan to me .... :) Paul _could_ play fretless, Just listen to Paul on ' She's Got Claws ' (It's hell to play) I Think Paul's using his fretted Fender Precision Bass, but the _way_ he Played it, it 'sounded' like a fretless :)) Paul IS God. Best Bass Player _ever_ I dont know what instrument(s) Gary plays .. but i know Puul Liked Fender P-Basses .. who does'nt ? Heh heh .. nice one ... had to pop up as Paul was mentioned .... i'm off to play (Bass) 'Aircrash Berau' now .... Byeee ! =============================================================================== Message composed using RedHat Linux 5.2 (2.0.36) Apollo. e-mail: avon@callnetuk.com // Rossendale, Lancashire ****** 'What's a Net ?' - Bill Gates in the '70s ******* AX 25 Packet Radio Address : g0ynm@gb7hvu.#16.gbr.eu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:57:39 +0000 From: "Danny Cushion" Subject: cleo' art work To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I understand fully about the difficulties of getting a client to co-oparate on projects(I'VE SPENT SOME YEARS IN THE DESIGN WORLD)-However, that realy is NO excuse for some of the most AWFULL FONTS i've seen on any packaging in a long while!! I am not having a go on a personal level just as a design critique-the FURY cover was a badly out of focus photo wih what looked like old hand-rendered "Leteraset" on it! The rest of the covers are NO better..i think it's quite "rich" that you did not like the EAGLE covers that are (to be frank)far better than Cleopatra's renditions..from what i understand from various friends in record-shops and fans..the Cleo' c.ds are the lowest sellers out of all the Numan albums! Surly, Cleopatra must be aware of this? I know of MAN Y seriuos collectors who won't touch the Cleo' stuff becouse "the're so shoddy" Just MY thoughts on the subject! Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 03:49:54 PDT From: "ian blair" Subject: Correction. To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Last Digest I wrote: >Whilst I'm here, could someone tell me who this Mathew Holbrook >person is? >Or better still, tell me what his problem is? He seems very bitter >about >something. Isn't there some sort of etiquette about excessive >use of >unnecessary bad language? He pops up now and again, but rarely >seems to >have anything nice, or positive to say about anything. SORRY - I dont know where on earth I got HOLBROOK from (any ideas?). Off course, I was talking about Mathew ROBERTS. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:52:13 -0700 (PDT) From: swissmiss Subject: For Sale GN EXHIBITION LP To: numan@cs.uwp.edu FOR SALE Gary Numan 'Exhibition' 1978-1983 vinyl LP Beggars Banquet 5 012093 008813 from UK Very nice white matte gatefold (2 records)w/ grey & red print Sleeve & record in excellent condition (kept in sleeve & not played since I have owned it) Liner notes on back by Francis Drake 1987 Side 1: me!i disconnect from you(live), that's too bad, my love is a liquid, music for chameleons, we are glass, bombers, sister surprise Side 2: are 'friends' electric?, i dream of wires, complex, noise noise, warriors, everyday i die(live) Side 3: cars, we take mystery to bed, i'm an agent, my centurion, metal, you are in my vision Side 4: i die:you die, she's got claws, this wreckage, my shadow in vain, down in the park, the iceman comes $15 + $3 shipping within the US money order only, please sale ends & money due by beginning of June email to hold & for more info, THANKS _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:05:48 +0100 From: "Simon Joseph" Subject: Fw: Mobile Phone Fraud To: "The Digest" I thought some of you might benifit from the warning below. There is a simular scam on static lines too! Cheers Simon A proud member of "phone warnings come for us" ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Joseph (Core Design Ltd) To: Sent: Friday, May 14, 1999 11:50 AM Subject: FW: Mobile Phone Fraud > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Martin Iveson (Core Design Ltd.) >> Sent: 14 May 1999 11:49 >> To: {All Core Design} >> Subject: FW: Mobile Phone Fraud >> >> >> >> >> An important message which I thought you should read: >> >> >> >> >> If you have a mobile phone, please read the following notice >> from Surrey Police: >> >> If you get a phone call on your mobile from a cellnet or >> vodafone engineer,telling you that they are doing a check on your phone >> and that you have to press #90 or 09#. END THE CALL IMMEDIATELY >> >> There is a fraud company on the go who have devised a device >> that once you have pressed #90/09#, they can access your SIM CARD and >> make calls from it at your expense. Tell as many people as you >> know that have mobile phone to put this to an end. >> >> Thanks >> >> Robin Vincent >> >> Police Constable 2050@surrey.police.uk >> mailto:2050@surrey.police.uk >> > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:41:32 -0400 From: "D&T WHEELER" Subject: FYI To: "Numan Digest" Hey all, Thought you'd like to know. Some peculiar stuff is listed as available at a Pittsburg based record store that's available on-line. The address is www.record-rama.com . I placed an order. Will let you know if I get it!! (Do a database search under N then NUMAN). Later Tim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 11:59:11 GMT0BST From: "James Chapman" Subject: General agreements :-) To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hi all, fresh from last week's flaming :-) > From: theartdept@att.net (rod reynolds) > I explained about the Berserker bonus tracks a couple times already. I had > gotten different bonus tracks ready, mastered and everything, Cleopatra > said go ahead but Gary said he didn't want me to use them. His (more or > less) exact words were "I would be very upset to have these tracks appear > on a Gary Numan cd". By that point the box set had come out (or was about > to) so I scrambled to put something different on... Admittedly the bonus > tracks on Berserker are probably the least exciting of the Numa cds I have > done, but I felt the historical significance of the otherwise unavailable > (in the US) 12" mixes outweighed the b-sides. I think Gary was rather insane to do this. I mean I won't be buying this Berserker reissue (sorry Rod) because I already have all the tracks on CD, so it would be a waste of money. If there had been different bonus tracks, I would have bought it. I think this will do Gary more harm than playing AFE and Cars live :-) If Rod and the guys at Cleo were to have the extended albums remastered (all four of them), I would buy them all! Cos I'm that kind of sucker :-). You keep up the good work Rod! > From: "Michael J. Damrath" > > Are you kidding me? > I saw Gary live at the 930 Club in Washington D.C. and I was floored! > Not only because I had never seen him live before, but because I had > never heard Gary's music played with such power and fury! I would > probably blow-up the engine of my car racing to the CD store to buy a > copy of the Exile tour on CD! (Driving over a few nuns even, if need > be.:-) I couldn't imaging getting more value for my money than that. Of course. I strongly agree! I'd buy it at 9am on release day Monday! > BTW, to hell with Marilyn Manson. I don't mean his music any ill will, > but surely his presence at a Numan concert could not be the only > redeeming thing about it! I personally would NOT like Manson to appear > on a Numan live CD. It would lessen the value of the recording to be > sure. Marilyn Manson is a pale, poor reflection of Gary Numan at his > very best. A sad, pitiful excuse for wasting CD-plastic at his very > worst. > Oh dear Mike I think you are in for a flaming from Matthew Roberts with comments like that! :-) I have only heard two MM songs and they were both a complete pile of shite. Well maybe not but they didn't interest me in the slightest way whatsoever. I don't hate him any more than most of the top 40 music. But just because he happens to have covered a Numan song and cited Numan as an influence doesn't mean I have to respect MM as a Numan fan. Fact: Marilyn Manson does not do for me what Gary Numan or Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, New Order, The Human League etc (OK the latter four are slightly lesser!) do for me. No need to be insulting about it. It's all subjective. From: "ian blair" > Whilst I'm here, could someone tell me who this Mathew Holbrook person is? > Or better still, tell me what his problem is? He seems very bitter about > something. Isn't there some sort of etiquette about excessive use of > unnecessary bad language? He pops up now and again, but rarely seems to have > anything nice, or positive to say about anything. > Yes I was a victim of his last week because I happen to actually like AFE and Cars. He's actually called Matthew Roberts. Only Matthew himself could tell you what his "problem" is. But he's been very personal about things that don't warrant it. > Well, Dalis Car, you say you already have: LO, WN, GHOST, SM & DL. We could > ask you, what was the point of buying 'any' of those? - Certainly, what was > the point of buying the latest one, when you already had 5 others? There was > no big 'M Manson' type appearance on Dark Light. > > Maybe the 'point', is this: > Living Ornaments 79/80 > White Noise 84 > Ghost 87 > Skin Mechanic 89(?) > (Dream Corrosion 93) > Dark Light 94 > > Clearly, LO 79/80, are quite close. As are Dream Corrosion & Dark Light > (Though, you don't have DC). > The point is IMO, that these live albums give a good view as to how Gary's > live performances have changed "over the years". > So basically my point is, if the Forum gig is released, then it's going to > represent 1999. > Personally I think that from 94 to 99 is far too big a gap, especially when, > again in IMO, this period has been his best in a long time, particularly in > the live performance area, so a live album from 99 is going to be well > overdue! > Another important question I would ask you, is, do you have live recordings > of anything from Exile? (Apart from Dominion Day). Do you have live versions > of the recent working of DITP? Do you have live versions of the recent, > quite dramatically different 'Friends', or 'Metal', or 'Voix'? Have you got > a recent live recording of 'Tracks'? - Forgetting about bootlegs, I'd be > interested your feedback. > Hear, hear!! It might be the only opportunity US fans get to hear that new track he played as well. It would be cool to have a 90s Gary live album without all that bloody rock guitar (Kipper) While I like DC and DL even more so, I feel they could be improved with a better giutarist. From: "Robin Biggs" To criticise the show because he played songs that bored = > you is a very selfish attitude and maybe you should seriously consider = > if it is worth you going to another concert! Maybe my ears were playing = > tricks, the crowd seemed to love it. I agree. Basically the point I was trying to make to Matthew was that there are only a finite number of tickets available. There will be people wanting to go who can't because tickets have sold out, due to people buying them who don't enjoy going. I thought that was the reason why we want to go-to enjoy it! > From: Tom Gorham > >it is remastered and has noticeable differences from the original. > >get it. > > But I don't want f***ing noticeable differences! > Yes get it! I recommend it fully! Having alternate mixes is extra value for money IMO. It would have been less had they just put the original vinyl LP remastered on the CD. Sounds like you're just trying to get out of spending another 9.99 :-) Sorry Tom, I'm only trying to convince you as Steve Webbon said that the more people buy these CDs, the more likely Dance, I Assassin etc will get issued. I'm not exactly sure if I Assassin and Warriors have definitely got the go ahead. It would be terribly disappointing if they didn't. That's me done, I'm off to watch the cricket. James ( a proud member of "I love AFE and Cars as they are the songs that got me hooked, albeit 18 years late!") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 02:17:26 -0700 From: jasonmb@calweb.com Subject: Good price for Numa Years box set? To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Does anyone know of an online store which has the Numa Years box set for a good price? Thanks. -- Jason Borchers jasonmb@calweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 05:07:50 PDT From: "Craig MacNeil" Subject: Hallo Rod To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hey Rod, Sorry bout that. I didn't realise that Gary wasn't being helpful with the reissues. you really did a sterling job on the whole project. "Tribal" in particular sprins to mind. I don't think that song is available on any other CD outside the Babylon series. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:15:27 -0600 From: Pat Weber Subject: Insignificant blatherings from a lurker To: Gary Numan Momentarily un-lurking >From: "Kev" >Subject: Cars reference on SNL >To: "Gary Numan" >Just in case anyone missed it, the horrible singing couple on Saturday Night >Live opened their latest medley with a wild version of "Cars". I taped it >and will try to get a movie file of it up on my site soon. > >-Kev I caught it, and sat there, mouth agape, until it was over, then laughed so hard! Send me the link when you get it up on the site. . . >From: "Seth" >Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #537 >To: "Gary Numan" >(Exactly in this moment I remember in a song of Gary in which he copied a hollywood-song. >I can't remember the title...) I think you're referencing "On Broadway." I didn't like the original, and, to this day, it remains one of the very few songs Gary has done that I just can't abide. (While there are damned few, the others include songs with female vocalists -- I'm just not into female vocalists -- it's my own shortcoming and definitely not a reflection on the material.) >As I heard that a song have been placed in the movie Dark City I was very >surprised and glad. This have been a good choice of the producer. By the >way, which song has it been? The trailers to the movie credited Gary, so, of course, I *had* to go see it. I never once heard anything in the movie by Gary and so stuck around for the music credits. He was not listed. Turns out, however, that I *love* that movie and now own a copy (I was goth before goth had a name). ANYway, I hear tell the soundtrack has a cut done by Gary and I've been busily looking for a copy. I am close to resorting to ordering it off the 'net. Yes, I'm a completist. Once obsessed with something or someone, nothing else will do. (Am I the only one who, when the Melissa macro virus hit the 'net, went around singing, "Everybody's infected"? *chuckle*) Unfortunately, I'm not wealthy, so my "Numan fixes" are obtained in fits and starts. Although I plan to obtain all, this list helps me decide what to get next. And, I don't care what he plays at concerts; if Gary hits the States again, I'm going. Again. (I only hope he continues to play small venues -- Tempe was a heavy-duty fix!) Back to re-lurking -- Pat ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:45:49 +0100 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Numan mentioned in Funday Times To: Gary Numan Dear All, Along with the Sunday Times (prestigious, somewhat bulky newspaper) comes a Funday Times for the teenagers and pre- teens (always read by the ADULTS in our house). Today's edition reviews an album by Texas (Scottish group), and one track is instrumental, said by the reviewer to be a cross between Kylie Minogue and synthesiser wizard Gary Numan. Not earth-shattering, but making sure that the teenage readers know who HE is! Maybe some will experimentally pick up a Numan album from the mention.... Paddy Vickers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:59:56 GMT0BST From: "James Chapman" Subject: Potentially stupid questions To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I've always been reading past copies of the digests and I've come across the term "Cut-out bins" that people have found a lot of cheap Numan stuff in. What exactly are they ? Are they a fancy term for a used record store? Or a place in normal record stores where they sell deleted discs? Are they an American thing? And has anyone been filing through CDs and coming across the Premier Hits with the different cover, and thinking momentarily that it was Dance remastered? I did! As regards to my previous message, I was rather angry at the time. I thought mistakenly that I had been called "stupid" when it was actually someone else. Still it'll be interesting to see what he had to say! No I do not wish Gary would do "Enola Gay", as much as I really like that song. What am I going to get flamed for this time? Admitting I like cricket? :-) James (a proud member of "I can listen to Cars 10 times in a row and still enjoy it!" club) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:46:44 +0400 From: "Peter Enright" Subject: Random Comments To: "Digest Numan" Marilyn Manson: Alice Cooper for the '90's ... Despite the high cringe factor Prince (sorry, The Artist Formerly Known As Pounce) covers (ha I'd like to hear the Sex Thimble attempt one of Gazza's! Just for the hell of it), one Numan song stands out in its almost surreal peculiarity: "On Broadway". Surely a great Numan version, but why? George Benson? And only the live version exists? Most odd to say the least ... how about a Numan does ABBA? Can you imagine what he would do to "Fernando"? "Get me Billie Curry! I'm puttin' the Band back together!" Tom Gorham: you are a Numanoid and don't know it. Oxford English dictionary definition: NUMANOID: person who owns the music of, or enjoys listening to, or humming, or dancing, or shagging to, music by British music performer and underground synth icon Gary Numan. See also: Synth pop revolution, sausages, teddy bears. "Seth" from the Netherlands offered us his interpretation of "An Alien Cure" - "is IMO the try to get rid off (SIC) this alien in himself that always whispers all these lies about god and the angels, that they exist and so one. Gary is indeed no christian man. Or better to say: he was a christian man." But having listened countless times to this brilliant track, I see another meaning, to refresh your memories, here's the lyrics: SO I WANDERED LIKE JESUS, LIKE AN ALIEN CURE. SEARCHING FOR MY DISCIPLES, DISPOSSESSED AND ALONE. SO I LOOKED DEEPER INTO EVIL. AND I CAME CLOSER TO YOUR CORRUPTION. I TOOK A VIRGIN LIKE MARY AND SAID 'I GIVE YOU THE ONE'. I CONFESSED TO DESIRE AND WATCHED THE WORLD COME UNDONE. SO I LOOKED DEEPER INTO EVIL. AND I CAME CLOSER TO YOUR OBSESSION. SO I LOOKED DEEPER INTO EVIL. AND I CAME CLOSER TO HEAVEN. YOUR HEAVEN. SO I MOVED LIKE A RUMOUR, LIKE A GLORIOUS LIE. AND I WALKED INTO HEAVEN, INTO DEAD PARADISE. To me this song is the story of one man's gradual slide into a powerful evil force. It could be symbolic of an addiction to anything we choose to consider as evil or decadent. He first compares himself to Jesus as he searches for disciples, others who feel as he, while becoming "dispossessed and alone" - clearly he is already alienated himself from mainstream society and giving himself up to this "other" force. He looks deeper into this evil and comes closer to its corrupting force, an all-too familiar theme for Numan's songs. Then confesses sexual desire for a virgin whom he equates with Jesus's mother, Mary, (she is used here as a symbol of Good) and tells her that he "will give you the one" - i.e. a child of Satan (shades of "Rosemary's Baby" here). He then goes on to describe how deeper he looked into evil and how closer he came to "your heaven" - i.e. Hell. Not only does he live a lie, but a glorious one, a lie so bad it is "glorified" - so he knows he is not living a truth. And he ends up totally consumed by walking into Dead Paradise - Hell itself. So there ... TikTokMan Moscow A proud member of Who's Next For Prime Minister? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:49:06 +0100 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Rock City (AGAIN!!) To: Gary Numan Dear All, In case you have forgotten, I botched up my contribution to last THursday's Digest. I was really just trying to say "Don't moan about the defects of the venue, the lighting, the sound, etc. Sure it wasn't all perfect, but we all had fun and, admit it, THE MUSIC WAS GOOD!!" 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