Gary Numan Digest Thu, 15 Jul 99 Volume 1 : Issue 555 Today's Topics: 2000: A Space Odyssey Abashed Been a while! Gary Numan? Piracy and Sacrifice (2 msgs) it was brought up... Leicester...? Numallenium + management replies to last digest... this & that unsubscribe and subscribe We Got Clamped Club ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 05:24:20 -0600 From: "Joey Lindstrom" Subject: 2000: A Space Odyssey To: "Gary Numan" On Sun, 11 Jul 99 01:00:02 CDT, Tommy wrote: >I understand your point Cary, but i'm stating a fact. 2001 is the time >to celebrate the new millennium, not 2000. if society is not educated >enough to realize this fact, & to stick by it, then that's not my fault. >hence, society has been brainwashed to believe in things that aren't. >The year 2000 being the new millennium is only a bogus fantasy, wake up >people! It's simple addition & logic, but I guess that's what the world >lacks today, it's sad, but i guess it's expected. Amen. Way back in 1964, Stanley Kubrick got in touch with a sci-fi writer by the name of Arthur C. Clarke, and proposed that they create "the proverbial good science fiction movie". Over the next three years, they wrote and rewrote it and spent a lot of time and money shooting it, until they got it just right. It's a story that takes place at the dawn of the new millenium, as mankind embarks on his first exploration of the other worlds in our solar system. That story was called "2001: A Space Odyssey" It was not called "2000: A Space Odyssey". :-) There's a REASON for it!!! Audiences in 1967, as they lined up to see the show, understood that 2001 was the first year of the new century (and new millenium). Have we gotten dumber in 32 years? :-) / From the messy desktop of Joey Lindstrom / Email: Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU or joey@lindstrom.com / Phone: +1 403 313-JOEY / FAX: +1 413 643-0354 (yes, 413 not 403) / Visit The NuServer! http://www.GaryNumanFan.NU / Visit The Webb! http://webb.GaryNumanFan.NU / / Rush Limbaugh's Updated 35 UNDENIABLE TRUTHS / / NUMBER 22 / / Morality is not defined by individual choice. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 05:29:52 -0400 From: Cary Wiltz Subject: To: NUMAN@cs.uwp.edu Tommy, your point on the year 2001 is well taken and no less than true. Let me give you another perspective to help you to understand why society does, in fact, celebrate a new century for the 1st day of the year 00: It is not part of the previous century! In the year 1899 everyone was geared up to celebrate the beginning of a new century. No one was waiting for the year 1901! 1900 began a new century...it was not a part of the 1800's any longer(whether it really began the 20th century was not important to people). In essence, whether the year 2000 is the new millennium or not is irrelevant as we will no longer be in the 1900's...PERIOD. The year 2001 and every "01" thereafter will NEVER be the celebratory year. Brainwashed or not, it will always be the year of the century that the majority of the people will recognize. Fantasy, maybe. Fun, you bet! Cary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:27:28 -0400 From: Matthew Roberts Subject: Abashed To: Gary Numan Thanks Derek, for the belated acnowledgement in "Alien". I feel suitably embarrassed. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:58:49 EDT From: Hopey77@aol.com Subject: Been a while! To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hi everyone! Hopey here - been lurking for months. I went to a small town called Norwalk, CT and found a great little record/CD store called ABCD. And the guys Numan section was great - I bought half of it, lots of vinyl. Made me a very happy girl. Even picked up the Berzerker tour video! Got the BBC Radio One recordings and VERY much enjoy them. Got New Anger in the cut out bin for $7 on CD but haven't listened to it yet - keeping that one for a rainy day. Hopey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:10:15 -0400 From: Ken Bryant Subject: Gary Numan? Piracy and Sacrifice To: Numan Digest Hello! What does the following have to do with Gary Numan? >I understand your point Cary, but i'm stating a fact. 2001 is the time >to celebrate the new millennium, not 2000. if society is not educated >enough to realize this fact, & to stick by it, then that's not my fault. >hence, society has been brainwashed to believe in things that aren't. >The year 2000 being the new millennium is only a bogus fantasy, wake up >people! It's simple addition & logic, but I guess that's what the world >lacks today, it's sad, but i guess it's expected. Christmas isn't really Christmas either, but who cares? Jenny Wrote: >kinda replicate what the cd;'s look like, just the covers and i was >trying to find a pic of exile and sacrafice to print out. >and i found a few big ones that i cnat make smaller bec my paint >program is messed up etc... >i was wondering if anyone could send me a CD size of the cover of exile >and sacrafice :) >there are tons of new numan sites out but as of now i am veryy busy and >dont have time to search, so i knew you guys could save me! :) No. I will not help you. I sincerely hope no one else here does. I've noticed over time that the album Sacrifce has really grown on me. I didn't care for it much at first, but I absolutely love it now. On the flip side... I loved Exile when it first came out, but now I can take it or leave it. I think Sacrifice is the better of the two. Anyone else feel this way? Bye! Ken "The Numaniac" Bryant ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:11:33 -0400 From: Ken Bryant Subject: Gary Numan? Piracy and Sacrifice To: Numan Digest Hello! What does the following have to do with Gary Numan? >I understand your point Cary, but i'm stating a fact. 2001 is the time >to celebrate the new millennium, not 2000. if society is not educated >enough to realize this fact, & to stick by it, then that's not my fault. >hence, society has been brainwashed to believe in things that aren't. >The year 2000 being the new millennium is only a bogus fantasy, wake up >people! It's simple addition & logic, but I guess that's what the world >lacks today, it's sad, but i guess it's expected. Christmas isn't really Christmas either, but who cares? Jenny Wrote: >kinda replicate what the cd;'s look like, just the covers and i was >trying to find a pic of exile and sacrafice to print out. >and i found a few big ones that i cnat make smaller bec my paint >program is messed up etc... >i was wondering if anyone could send me a CD size of the cover of exile >and sacrafice :) >there are tons of new numan sites out but as of now i am veryy busy and >dont have time to search, so i knew you guys could save me! :) No. I will not help you. I sincerely hope no one else here does. I've noticed over time that the album Sacrifce has really grown on me. I didn't care for it much at first, but I absolutely love it now. On the flip side... I loved Exile when it first came out, but now I can take it or leave it. I think Sacrifice is the better of the two. Anyone else feel this way? Bye! Ken "The Numaniac" Bryant ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:14:30 BST From: "James Chapman" Subject: it was brought up... To: numan@cs.uwp.edu A couple of digests ago, Nick in Nu suggested Gary should get together with some fans to discuss what was going on with his music. This could work as long as they were thinking fans who would say things like: "I liked Telekon/Dance/Berserker becuse...." "I find the drums on Exile a bit repetitive.." and NOT stuff like: "Hey Gary, do Telekon 2" "All the late 80s/early 90s stuff sucked" He would also have to have a fair-sized group, because everyone has different opinions. For instance, I would go on about how good Strange Charm is, whereas Mr Joseph would say the exact opposite :-) I reckon he could do worse than bring back female vocals, as long as they are used in the atmospheric way, like on My Breathing, Scar, Berserker, The Iceman Comes, This Prison Moon, In A Glasshouse, Strange Charm etc, because they add a certain warmth to the song. But NOt like on Outland and M+S that are way too shrill and submerge Gary's voice. I'm sure the total amount of time on those two albums which Gary sings alone on isn't that much. I think the drum loops on the last two albums may sound repetitine because the music is very isolted. James ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:36:08 +0100 From: "ncpl" Subject: Leicester...? To: "Gary Numan" Evening all Can anyone confirm, or otherwise, whether dearest Gary did a gig at Leicester Uni at the beginning of July? My Dad works there and swears that he saw a poster advertising it in the union. If he did, then I'm amazed and owe my Dad a pint.!! Ciao NickiNu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:54:13 +0100 From: Charles Subject: Numallenium + management To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I missed the beginning of the whole millenium 2000/2001 debate, I know that technically it's 2001, but the changing over of the 1 to a 2 is pretty symbolic which is why people are more turned on by it. The truth is, the millenium was about 1996, cos the Pope changed the calender in the middle ages (nearly lost his throne cos the people thought they would die four years earlier or something, bless). So actually we've already missed it. Damn. Re. the Forum (feel obliged to have some Numan-related content), didn't the sound just suck completely? Also, am I the only one to think that all the drum mics with the possible exception of the hihat died for the encores? I was going to bring six unconverted friends but five of them couldn't make it, much to my annoyance beforehand and much to my relief afterwards. When is he going to get the business side of things together? His father (while unquestionably a nice guy and with his client's interests very closely guarded) has never been taken seriously by the industry, and much of Numan's lack of visibility is because of this. And debacles such as the Forum gig wouldn't have happened if there'd been someone to kick shit instead of taking it lying down. The examples of missed opportunities are endless - such as an offer to collaborate with Africa Bombaataa in 1980 was refused cos Tony Webb HADN'T HEARD OF HIM! Africa Bombaataa! Then again, why would he have heard of one of the prime founders of hiphop (and all urban music since) - eighteen months previously he'd been driving a bus for British Airways. Credit where credit is due, he's obviously capable and intellegent to a degree cos the career stayed on track for two years (79-81) and things could have gone a lot worse, but no way is someone of that background qualified to run an organisation like Numan's, and the ultimate results are obvious - the man lost all credibility and the industry wholeheartedly rejected him after the "retirement" fiasco (a prima donna snit and embarrassingly juvenile - not to mention premature - bid for immortality) which could have been headed off by better advice, which cost Numan most of his reputation - important people like his record company believed him when he said he was retiring - bye bye America), followed by the Numa thing (which was the final straw for the biz - bye bye UK too). When, after ten years in the wilderness, he was cautiously welcomed back into the media and industry, the opportunity (which most artists in Numan's position never get a second time, he's a very lucky chap) was completely blown and instead of tying up proper agency and management deals (especially in the US), the whole thing slid past and you have the result - Exile on the UK top 75 for one week at about 41, and one gig in 1999 at the Forum and the sound is bad and they use the house lights (which admittedly didn't look too shabby). He's back to the same position as he was in the early 90s. Nice one. Charles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:13:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Jessica Bastion Subject: replies to last digest... To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello! so I'm watching 120 Minutes on MTV last night (one of the last cool shows on MTV, with the only cool host!) and as Matt Pinfield is announcing his agenda for that show, he says "Fear Factory"...oh, I jumped, then he said "their remake of Gary Numan's Cars" I got all excited...I've been dying to see the video. I got a sneak-peek on the Fear Factory website...and was dying to see the effects. Plus, I do really like that song. The synthesizer is just heart-stopping to me. It's silly, but I get that way sometimes when I hear a good song. I was really impressed. Pinfield mentioned some Gary Numan albums that are a "must check out"...Tubeway Army, Replicas, and one other but I can't remember what he mentioned. Anyway, I'm going o e-mail him today from their site and mention that he should have plugged "Exile" After that gushing, I'd like to respond to some of the last digest's topics... As far as CD burning is concerned, I am guilty. But I don't do it to cheaply further my collection. for the couple of full albums I have burned of other artists, it's because I've exhausted my resources on finding the original as of right now. I don't have the luxury of ordering over the internet, due to my lack of a credit card and wariness of using this method. Once I get accustomed to ordering online, I will rightfully be expanding my music collection tenfold! My first online purchase will be "Exile" extended... I'd like to think it's okay to burn cd's of many different tracks from one artist from many different albums of theirs, to get a feel of that artist and their work. That way, you might be more inclined to buy one album first before another, because you liked the style and sound of that first choice. But, as someone mentioned, you can't always count on the offender to "buy the cd later on." Ahh, technology...it seems to be a double edged sword. With this whole millenium thing, I don't think that New Year's Eve 1999 is a big deal because people think it's the edge of the new millenium, it's so big of a deal because the clock is turning over. we will no longer be writing 19-- on things...this is a big deal. I'm waiting to see who doesn't upgrade their computer systems and who will be going back to 1900. "Let's do the time warp agaaaiinn!!" ...and don't spout the phrase "simple mathematics" too loosely. Mathematics is never a simple thing, and something basic and simple to you is complex and difficult to another. Oh, and I don't care who gets burned by this one...but I'd like to know: >Subject: Ricky Martin >To: numan@cs.uwp.edu >I saw the big Ricky Martin video the other day while channel surfing. Is >it just me or is he kind of Gary Numan like at certain times? WHAT KIND OF CRACK ARE YOU SMOKING??????????? Ricky Martin could never be even close to Gary Numan, and any attempt to be like Gary would fail miserably. Gary is too unique...Ricky is horribly cliche. Ricky is trying to be sexy, sensual with his image (or his make-up artist's created image) Gary's music, his lyrics (which are obviously personal) his sound are all sensual and sexy, which in turn makes him a sensual being. Their is nothing cliche or created-by-industry in Gary. That's the long-winded version of "my two cents"...sorry if I've offended...but I had to speak my mind! jessB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:16:25 -0400 (EDT) From: doublephones@webtv.net (Tommy) Subject: this & that To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Okay, I am also going to party on new year's as if it were any other, but when i hear people swear that 2000 is the new millennium, it bothers me a bit to think wow, how dumb are these people? Unless the lack of logic is generic, there's no excuse. Anyway, on to this Jenny pirate thing. Why don't you people leave Jenny alone & get a life? I hope you're aware that even if you were to copy one song off a cd onto a cassette, you're still pirating. I'm also sure that you are the same people who have dubbed vhs movies before, so maybe you should practice what you preach. All I know is that if I choose to pay 25-30 bucks for a cd, & a friend has a cd recorder (& that's why they sell those by the way, it's for recording cd's) then i will let that friend make a copy, that's what friends are for. As far as giving rich musicians money, I have given Numan plenty, & i don't think burning a cd or 2 is a big deal. if I paid for it, I can do a friend a favor such as Jenny is trying to do. You people must all be saints or something or just scared that Gary is gonna knock on your door one day, & kick your asses for burning a cd. You all have dubbed something before, so don't bother lying about never doing it, & stop acting like all of you go by every rule in the book of life. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:57:53 +0200 From: "joeri peeters (home)" Subject: unsubscribe and subscribe To: "Gary Numan" Derek, Please remove following e-mail joeri@planetinternet.be from the digest. Subscribe me at joeri.peeters@pandora.be (home) and at joeri.peeters@be.bosch.com (work) Thanks, Joeri Peeters 'Prophecy' the Gary Numan site from Belgium. (moving to another server in a few weeks) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:05:58 +0100 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: We Got Clamped Club To: Gary Numan Just to say that Matthew Tamea is a splendid chap. The Forum paid up the GBP85 which the clampers demanded off us before we could have our car back. I therefore imagine that the area where we all parked WAS the area designated by the Forum in their "Free parking in Regis Road" notices.... But if it was not for Matthew notifying me via the Digest..... Just think of all the compilation discs I could buy with 85 pounds!! Paddy Vickers Proud member of Clamps'r'us. ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ****************************** _______________________________________________________________________ _____ ____ ____ _____ _____ / \ | | / \ / \ / \ / \ | |-----| |-----| | |-----| |-----| | | | G | | A | | | R | | Y | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----| |-----| | |-----| |-----| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | N | E | W | S |=====| | | | | | | | & | | | | | | | \_____/ I | N | F | O | | | | is produced and distributed by Derek Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, mail to: numan@cs.uwp.edu If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, you can mail to numan-request@cs.uwp.edu ----------------- The Gary Numan Digest is brought to you via Datta Production and Development, 905 97th Street, Kenosha, WI 53143 USA datta@cs.uwp.edu and computer resources courtesy of University of Wisconsin-Parkside and Datta Production and Development. 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