Gary Numan Digest Thu, 22 Jul 99 Volume 1 : Issue 557 Today's Topics: "Burning" CDs 2000 - A Numan Odyssey Belgium trip.... Clarification of my 2000 statement Gary Numan Digest V1 #556 Gary Numan Digest V1 #556/Burning CDs Life in a small town... Mid-career Numan Music Piracy = Mass Murder? Muzak My Saratoga Dies... numillenium pirating Religious fervour in Moscow S.U.'S The Box network ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 08:33:20 +0100 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: "Burning" CDs To: Gary Numan There has been far too much flaming of a fan who was only trying to do what I spend (and probably some of you out there spend) a lot of time doing - trying to get other people into Gary's music. The motive was pure..... in my opinion. Paddy Vickers Proud member of the "I don't regard illegal copies as a burning issue" club. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 07:31:21 -0600 From: "Joey Lindstrom" Subject: 2000 - A Numan Odyssey To: "Gary Numan" On Sun, 18 Jul 99 01:00:02 CDT, Paddy Vickers wrote: >Well, thank you, Joey! > >So **THAT'S** why it's called 2001 - A Space Odyessy. >I went to see it, and had NO IDEA that it was supposed >to be the start of a numillennium. Come to think of >it, I had no idea why there were apes at the start, >and no idea why a big flat brick kept popping up, >and no idea why the chap in the end suddenly had a >house out in the middle of nowherem, and no idea who >came out of the closet, and no idea why I had paid >good money to see it at all. You and about 900 million other people. I recommend reading the book about 8 times before viewing this movie. It's a masterpiece, just not a very accessible one. >The music was good. > >And I like music. Too bad none of it was original (ie: scored for the movie). Maybe when they film 2061 (God I hope not, what a CRAPPY book!), they'll hire Gary to do the music? I mean, after all, they got one of the guys from The Police to do some work on the 2010 soundtrack... / From the messy desktop of Joey Lindstrom / Email: Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU or joey@lindstrom.com / Phone: +1 403 313-JOEY / FAX: +1 413 643-0354 (yes, 413 not 403) / Visit The NuServer! http://www.GaryNumanFan.NU / Visit The Webb! http://webb.GaryNumanFan.NU / / Morality is your agreement with yourself to abide by your own rules. / -- Jubal Harshaw, "Stranger In A Strange Land" / (Robert Heinlein) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:40:38 +0100 From: "ade.pitkin" Subject: Belgium trip.... To: numan@cs.uwp.edu > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3015326438_152666_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Just a brief note to enquire if we have any subscribers who are going over to Belgium for the show? Or any who want to meet up, and discuss stuff in person, as there's a fair bit of Euro pop trash to sit through all day? The last festivals were fine shows, and its so positive to see so many non Numan fans gasp in wonder!! Also many thanks to all those who have had "Tubeway Army" t-shirts from me, I hope you're happy with them, I thaught they came out damned well, I still have three or four left as I made extra, if anyone is interested. Also, in a vain attempt to fill my home with all things Numan, I'm making some Mouse Mats up, again with the Tubeway silhouette, if anyone is after some for home and work please e-mail me and I'll see what I can do. I've just been revisiting old Numan stuff, "Dance", at the moment, and there really are some class songs on that, ie. Cry, the clock said & Slow Car to China...so go on go dig it out and give it a spin. I havn't been to Manchester Uni for a gig, has anybody? or does anyone know what its like, capacity etc? "mary under three wise men" ade. --MS_Mac_OE_3015326438_152666_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Belgium trip.... Just a brief note to enquire if we have any subscribers who are going over = to Belgium for the show? Or any who want to meet up, and discuss stuff in person, as there's a= fair bit of Euro pop trash to sit through all day? The last fes= tivals were fine shows, and its so positive to see so many non Numan fans ga= sp in wonder!! Also many thanks to all those who have had "Tubeway Army" t-shirt= s from me, I hope you're happy with them, I thaught they came out damned wel= l, I still have three or four left as I made extra, if anyone is interested.= Also, in a vain attempt to fill my home with all things Numan, I'm ma= king some Mouse Mats up, again with the Tubeway silhouette, if anyone= is after some for home and work please e-mail me and I'll see what I can do= . I've just been revisiting old Numan stuff, "Dance", at the moment= , and there really are some class songs on that, ie. Cry, the clock sa= id & Slow Car to China...so go on go dig it out and give it a spin. I havn't been to Manchester Uni for a gig, has anybody? or does anyone know= what its like, capacity etc? "mary under three wise men" ade. --MS_Mac_OE_3015326438_152666_MIME_Part-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 07:51:56 -0600 From: "Joey Lindstrom" Subject: Clarification of my 2000 statement To: "Gary Numan" On Sun, 18 Jul 99 01:00:02 CDT, Willow wrote: >Hey now, I'm a 30 yr old american who's been listening to Numan for 17 or 18 >years, I've also lurked off and on for the last few years. I find it sad >that my first post has absolutely nothing to do with Numan, but one can only >be called stupid and illogical for so long. >Regarding this millenium thing; are you all daft? Use some of the logic and >mathematics you've been touting. I'll use the example of a baby to show you >what i mean: when a baby is born, from its first day to it's 365th (or so) >day is its 1st year; got that? 1st year. from 1 to 2 is its 2nd year. Same >thing with the millenium; from january 1st 2000 to december 31 2000 is the >first year of the new millenium, from 2001 to 2002 is the second millenium. >I'm sure this won't convince you and i'm sure you won't convince me, so why >not let's chill out and party like it's 1999 this december 31st:-) The baby, from its first day to its 365th day (or so), is not referred to as "1 year old". He is not called "1" until he BEGINS HIS SECOND YEAR. Until then, he is "0" years (and some-odd months/days) old. If our system of numbering years was set up the same way, your argument would make sense. But it is NOT set up that way. The first year in our system is the year 1 A.D., not 0. Thus, everything is off-kilter by one year, which is why the millenium (and the 21st century) begin at 00:00:00 on January 1, 2001. Similarly, the baby is not called "1" but he/she may be referred to as being "in his/her first year". And using the same rationale, we say that we're currently in the 20th century, or the 2nd millenium. But the difference is WHERE you start counting. When have we actually completed the 2nd millenium? Answer: at the end of the day on December 31st, 2000. The first millenium began on January 1st, 1 A.D., and not January 1st, 0 A.D. The way we casually refer to decades, however, does work the way you've posited. "The eighties" began at 00:00:00 on January 1, 1980 - and not 1981. But we name decades that way specifically because of the digit in the "tens" column, and it has nothing to do with the actual start of the modern-day calendar. The point I didn't make clear in my earlier post is that the ONLY thing that bugs me about this whole thing is that the media continues to call January 1st 2000 "the first day of the new millenium", which it is NOT and I wish they'd bloody well get it right. This doesn't mean that this year's New Year's Eve celebrations are any less significant. For some reason, we put a greater emphasis on these celebrations when a digit OTHER THAN the digit in the "1's" column changes. For example, New Year's Eve 1989 was more significant than the year before (or the year after) because it was the last one of "the eighties". On this upcoming New Year's Eve, we change ALL FOUR DIGITS, something that happens very, very infrequently and certainly only once in OUR lifetimes, at any rate. There's a psychological effect there that has nothing to do with the "official" change of century or millenium. When January 1st 2000 rolls around, we'll still be in the 20th century and the 2nd millenium, but I, like most of you, will likely be partying my face off. :-) And that's saying something: I usually *WORK* on New Year's Eve, but this time it's special and I'm gonna have me some fun. But I won't be saying "welcome to the new millenium" at any time on January 1st, 2000. I'll do that next year, which gives me another excuse to get shit-faced. :-) / From the messy desktop of Joey Lindstrom / Email: Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU or joey@lindstrom.com / Phone: +1 403 313-JOEY / FAX: +1 413 643-0354 (yes, 413 not 403) / Visit The NuServer! http://www.GaryNumanFan.NU / Visit The Webb! http://webb.GaryNumanFan.NU / / "Diplomacy is not a real job." / --Everything I Need To Know I Learned From Babylon 5 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 04:17:56 -0800 From: seth@muenster.net Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #556 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu unsubscribe seth@muenster.net or jonathan_dilas@muenster.net ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:12:20 -0400 From: "Kev" Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #556/Burning CDs To: "Gary Numan" I guess I haven't been watching the digest as closely as I should because this CD burning issue is really taking over. First, let me go on record as saying that I do believe Gary deserves his royalties from new copies of his material being made. I bought a CD burner for my PC for three reasons 1) data storage and archival 2) making copies of CDs so I could have one at home, one at work, etc. 3) Taking the best songs of several CDs and putting them onto one (i.e. making a greatest hits collection) when there was not another alternative. Prior to having a CD burner, I used cassettes for much the same purpose, and in Gary's case, was able to make some pretty nice tapes combining my favorite 12" singles with other tracks both from CD and vinyl. However, this does not make it legal. I think there is a lot of confusion based on court rulings here in the United States regarding videotaping of televised events, as well as Gary's statement on MP3 files. The court rulings apply only to videotape materials from a televised event. This does not give anyone the right to go and make copies of CDs. It doesn't matter whether it is for your own personal use or not when taken in the context of the letter of the law. Does it mean we do not do it? Sure we do. Just like the crusade in the 80s to stop home tapers, there is a growing concern about recordable CDs. The industry in the US has attempted to avert the issue by tacking on a royalty fees to the sale of recordable CDs, but the caveat is that the distribution of those royalties is based on sales. Sorry, Gary doesn't stand a chance against Ricky Martin in sales. Also, the royalties are only collected from the sale of DA (Digital Audio) Recordable CDs. These CDs only record audio, not data. You can use a data CD for either use, and royalties are not coming off those. Nonetheless, there was an effort, however small, which is more than occurred with cassettes. Gary's statement on MP3 files and linking sites via NuWorld seems to have clouded the issue in the digest. He will not link sites that use MP3, but says the use of lesser quality .wav files is OK. This is Gary stating his view on copies of his material in .wav format in the context of site linkage on the Internet. This IS NOT Gary saying it is OK to make illegal copies of his material based on the quality of the destination media. He is not saying it is OK to make a copy, just as long as the quality isn't digital. This seems to have been misunderstood. All this being said, the copy of Pleasure Principle I gave my son was a CD burn copy of my original. I know the consequences legally of making a copy like this, however, the kid saw Fear Factory's video, loved it, loves the song, and wants to check a little more out. So I made him a copy. Will I burn the whole Numan catalog for him? No, I will not. Did I make him a cover and booklet and artwork, label and other crap? No. He has a plain CD with the titles written in marker on the cover, because I am not a CD manufacturing plant, I didn't make the copy for the cover, I made it so he could hear the music. Will he be taken with the rest of it? This remains to be seen. But he will judge the music on solely the music, and not my representation of what Gary looks like, the cover, etc. Which is something I could not do without recording it at home. It will be an interesting experiment. If he continues with Numan, he has to get his own stuff, which has been the policy in my house. I have 4 kids, and in our house, there are 3 legal copies of the new Backstreet Boys CD. They have to earn their own money to buy their own copies. I am not copying CDs all over, and they are not getting away with just paying for recordable CDs. On occasion, I will inject something I think they should be exposed to, and that may be on recordable CD. But I am not a record company, nor will I spend hours making CDs for him, he needs to learn all these things on his own in his own time. Just trying to teach the kid the value of a dollar. Well, sorry this was so long, but I felt compelled to respond, and right now, I have to go because my CD burner just finished.... -Kev www.kevworks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:16:57 +0000 From: "Michael J. Damrath" Subject: Life in a small town... To: Gary Numan Kim ("GARY NUMAN RULZ!!!) Cole, Once upon a time (a freaking ice-age ago), I was a young lad in high school, I recall seeing a message scratched into my desk by a former tenant. I immediately assumed this was the work of a being of vastly inferior intelligence, no doubt their mind in a chemically enhanced state. It read: OZZY'S GOD SMOK A BON!!! Thanks for bringing back that old feeling, Kim. :-) (you know I'm just bustin' your chops, don't cha?) Actually Kim, your experience with "Remodulate" brings back memories from the old days of a different nature. I recall trying to follow Gary's career while marooned in upstate New York. The closest record stores were 40 miles away in Kingston and they sucked. I remember finding "I, Assassin" in a Caldor of all places. For all of you that don't know what Caldor is: think K-Mart without the class. In those days I basically bought anything with the name "Numan" on it, for fear that I might never see the name in print again. For a while that fear seemed well founded, until about six years ago when I moved to Richmond, a much larger music market, and simultaneously discovered the internet. Now I don't have to work hard at all to find Gary's work, it seems to be everywhere! Thanks for the memories. Mike Damrath http://home.earthlink.net/~damrat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:50:02 BST From: "James Chapman" Subject: Mid-career Numan To: numan@cs.uwp.edu On Sun, 18 Jul 99 01:00:02 CDT, Jon Garland wrote: >On another subject, I'n afraid I think Strange Charm is a load of ARSE - as >was a lot of Gary's >material from '84-'92. I know it's been said before, but I've noticed an >increase in the number >of those who defend this period (hello James!). Come on you lot - early >Gary great, later Gary >great, middle Gary bollocks - it's easy! Sorry Jon, it's comments like this that really get me going. Yes, you have a right to your opinion, and I'm not going to flame you for not liking the 84-92 material, but how do you think Gary would feel if a supposed fan said basically half his work has sucked? He'd feel better if you said something like "I didn't like the musical direction you took in the late 80s". Come on you lot, it's easy! :-) Just because they are not Telekon 2 doesn't mean they suck! Apart from SC, there have been periods when I have been obsessed with Berserker, The Fury and Metal Rhythm- all great albums. Even Outland and M+S, although they are IMO weaker than the previous few albums, they do have something good to offer, and if you put the best tracks on each together you'd have quite a good album. Then again, I did see another positive plug for SC in the last digest as well, so it's obviously a love-hate sort of album, with some in the middle saying stuff like "I love some tracks like My Breathing and The Sleeproom, but the likes of I Can't Stop and The Need are rather annoying" :-) On to some more general discussions: The new millennium depends on whether there was a year 0 or not. If there was then 2000 is the start of the nu-millenium, and if there wasn't then it's 2001. Simple. Sacrifice v Exile: Sacrifice cuts it more for me, but I find the extensions of Exile better. All depends on mood - I would LOVE Sac. Extended to get remastered! Piracy: Doing copies of Sacrifice and Exile, and then asking other digesters to do the covers maybe taking things a bit far, but I ain't gonna flame anyone for it. Because I am guilty myself. I had a Metal Rhythm CD-R which I got over a year ago when there were no signs it could get reissued. Being a new fan, I couldn't find the CD anywhere, although I had a second hand vinyl copy which was deteriorating to say the least. I had requested to buy a copy on the digest, and the only reply I got was someone offering me a CD-R copy, which I gratefully accepted. Hell, I couldn't buy the damn thing and was desperate for one of my faves on CD. At a later stage, I had the chance to get the original CD, and I snapped it up right away. Now I have the CD, it at least removes my guilty consience. Without it, I would have definitely bought the reissue, but now I can safely reject it if it's not remastered or has no bonus tracks. I also have dubs of the Micromusic and Newman Numan videos. Again, I couldn't buy them, and I wasn't taking royalties away because if there were only a finite number of copies printed, how can they expect to get any more royalties apart from the number of copies they printed? I've heard of many people having dubbed videos. I wouldn't even consider pirating if I could go out to any decent record store and buy the CD, but even though what I did was still illegal,I find it a lot more acceptable, and I don't have a guilty consience. Also there is nothing at all to stop someone buying a CD, copying it for themselves, then seling the original on to someone else when it gets deleted. Hey it's possible!! James ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:29:09 +0000 From: "Michael J. Damrath" Subject: Music Piracy = Mass Murder? To: Gary Numan In the last digest, Turdmaster@aol.com (the name itself says it all, doesn't it?) wrote: >Amen to that. People should stop being hypocrites. And why try being saints >and consciences about a cd. Is it killing anybody? NO. Is someone's living >going to be destroyed? NO. Is it a Columbine shooting? NO. Instead of trying >to be guilty consciences and voices of reason, why not try being mentors, or >community crime activists and try getting kids to stop committing crimes. Holy shit! Are you kidding me? Are you suggesting I am giving illegally burning a music CD equal weight to a dozen deaths in a school in Colorado?!? Does the fact that burning a pirate CD is quite a damn bit less evil than mass murder not make it worth debate? This digest is a forum to discuss matters pertaining to the music of Gary Numan. I think that having a meaningful debate about the pros and cons of music piracy is a worthwhile endeavor, especially in this forum! What do you consider to be hypocracy? I will guarantee you that even though I myself have a CD burner at my disposal, I absolutely would not do what Jenny was suggesting. >Many people record onto cassette. Are you people flaming them? Even at one >point, Derek Langsford even said he recorded some "compilation" cassettes for >himself. Did you people flame him, I don't remember so. Sure, you might bring >up the point it is on cd. SAME THING. Recording from one product to another >medium (whether it be vinyl to cassette, cd to cassette, cd to cd, etc...) is >the same thing. I have made cassette copies of music for my own personal use. I even burned my own CD compilation of my favorite Numan tunes! But the huge, irrevocable difference was I ALREADY OWNED THE MUSIC, AND THE COPIED MATERIAL WAS ONLY FOR ME. If you can't see the difference between making a copy for yourself, and making one for someone else than how about consulting copyright law? Ever heard of Fair Use? How about Archival Copies? Both legal instances of duplication. The legal line is drawn at the third party. I agree with you that the line in the sand regarding music piracy has been blurred a bit by technology. And with the advent and new popularity of MP3, you ain't seen nothin' yet. But don't try to make light of this issue, on this stage, by comparing it to earth shattering events from the world stage. No-one ever inferred that this issue was on the level with mass murder or global destruction. Get your head out of your ass. You suggest we be mentors, well, in this forum, isn't that exactly what we are doing? If someone in our circle suggests something illegal, immoral or unethical, we would be remiss not to speak out. We have our differences. That's good. Suck it up and take it on the chin, boys and girls, this is the real world. Sometimes it's not just about what's legal and what's not, it about what's right and what's wrong. What she was suggesting was wrong. If you feel so strongly about spreading Gary Numan's music to others, good for you, you should be commended, go BUY them a copy. I have done that many times, and I will continue to do it. Mike Damrath http://home.earthlink.net/~damrat ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:42:09 EDT From: BDay0000@aol.com Subject: Muzak To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I was in Rhodes Furniture (mega furniture store chain here in the states) on Saturday doing some shopping and guess what song played over the PA? Yep, you got it: My Centurion. It was mixed in with a bunch of bland unrecognizable songs. I was literally light-headed while listening to it. It was great to hear it outside of my car and/or my home. Brad Atlanta, GA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:08:50 +1200 From: "D & J Hall" Subject: My Saratoga Dies... To: "Numan Digest" As the search continues, it is becoming apparent that there may be a link between our very own Mr Numan and the continued misfortunes of Americas most famous family. Warning: The following may be considered to be in bad taste, so what are you waiting for? Read on! It seems that Carolyn, a huge Gary Numan fan, was heard blasting "My Centurion Dies" through the planes' internal PA shortly before takeoff. It is possible that the samples used in the track of in-flight recordings may have confused the inexperienced pilot and contributed to the plane going down. In a related story, the company responsible for maintaining the aircraft have been charged with using second hand parts, some of which may have come from a certain black Piper Centurion... Darren "All I can do now is wait for the noise" Hall halldj@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 17:23:26 -0500 From: Doug Finney Subject: numillenium To: Gary Numan kundalinitheatre@hotmail.com wrote: > > Regarding this millenium thing; are you all daft? Use some of the logic and > mathematics you've been touting. I'll use the example of a baby to show you > what i mean: when a baby is born, from its first day to it's 365th (or so) > day is its 1st year; got that? 1st year. from 1 to 2 is its 2nd year. Same > thing with the millenium; from january 1st 2000 to december 31 2000 is the > first year of the new millenium, from 2001 to 2002 is the second millenium. > I'm sure this won't convince you and i'm sure you won't convince me, so why > not let's chill out and party like it's 1999 this december 31st:-) Willow, you forgot to take finish your logic lesson. Day 1 to day 365 = Year 1 (check), from Jan. 1 to Dec 31 of 2nd year is Year 2 [skip nearly 1000 years] and finally Jan 1 to Dec 31 of 1000th year is Year 1000. That's 1000 years in the hole, time for a new millenium starting Jan 1 1001. Skip another 1000 years and here we are. :-) BUT! All you people who are going to sit at home this New Year's while everyone else is out celebrating the "new millinium" are idiots. Sure, the clueless (or more likely money-driven) media may be hyping millenium fever but *I'll* be celebrating the end of the century, which is a completely different thing. Dec 31 1979 = end of the 70's, Dec 31 1989 = end of the 80's. Ergo, Dec 31 1999 = end of the 90's *and* of the 1900's! How much better excuse for a party do you need? All the truly in-the-know folks are planning to party big two years in a row. As for recent Numan talk, different strokes and all that. I'm one of those people constantly defending Gary's late-80's/early-90's output. I *like* The Fury, Strange Charm, Metal Rhythm and Outland. Always have, always will. After giving them dozens of spins in my CD player I've come to the conclusion that I will probably never like Exile or Sacrifice as well as any of these. I love the lyrics and much of the music but that endless, largely unchanging rhythm track bores me every single time I listen to them. With only minor exceptions, every song has the same beat at the same tempo. For me, they work much better on shuffle play with some more diverse Numan albums in the changer as well. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 02:37:42 -0400 (EDT) From: doublephones@webtv.net (Tommy) Subject: pirating To: numan@cs.uwp.edu you people are all full of it, you are all pirating! it doesn't matter if it's 1, 2, 3, or all the songs from an album, you are still pirating. & this crap about the difference of a cd & a cassette is stupid, you are still making illegal duplications of those songs, so whatever! 2001 is the Numallennium, like it or not. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 19:45:59 +0400 From: "Peter Enright esq." Subject: Religious fervour in Moscow To: "Numan Digest" THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ACCORDING TO NUMAN 1. Thou shalt not criticise the music or lyrics or production of the god Numan. It is inherently perfection within itself and thou mere mortals who seek to critique it possess not the intelligence to realise that thou art sadly imperfect entities who have not nor ever will earn the right to criticise. 2. Thou shalt not under any circumstances burn Numan CD's nor copy the covers, nor downloadeth the most holy mpeg files lest thee first prostrate thyself in front of thy god Numan and beg for His mercy and send the cash directly to Him, bypassing the need for the payment of measly holy royalties. 3. Thou shalt not slaggeth off "Strange Charm" or "Outland" for fear of an eternity spent with WHAM in Disco Hell. Hanson is the second form of Hell should the WHAM one fill up. 4. Thou shalt NOT mention the god Numan and the panty-waisted tosser nudnik teeny bopper squealer Ricky Martin in the same sentence. 5. Thou shalt refrain from clogging up the Holy Digest with irrelevant gibberish, i.e. empty and valueless discussions of fonts used on CD covers, the date of the next millennium etc. lest thine merciful Dark Angel of Numan Langsford shall flame thee senseless. This also goeth for any sacrilegious criticisms of the Most Holy "2001: A Space Odyssey" and its most revered sequel "2010". 6. Thou shalt not infringe the copyright of Numan. Only true believers understand this. Thou blasphemers who do are heretics and will burn eternally in Dead Heaven. 7. Thou shalt always play the music of Numan LOUD (especially in cars with the windows down) and never, never, hit the skip button or stop button mid-track. 8. Thou shalt not be a sad git and covet thy neighbour's Numan collection. Thou shalt buy thine own, filled with divine rapture that thou royalties will enhance the lifestyle of the god Numan and his most holy Missus. 9. All Numanoids shall listen to thy god at least twice a day, facing Staines as they do so. 10. Thou shalt, at all times, continue to spread His music and His lyrics far and wide and don't forget to enjoyeth His music and not to be too serious about Him as He created this Sound for us to getteth down and getteth funky to and also to engageth in all things naughty in His name then get up again. Nu-men Bart Tieman! I found your comments about the DITP video most surprising/amusing/complimentary! It sounds very much like the video you are referring to was the one I edited in 1982 in my spare time at Channel 7 in Sydney which I gave a 1 inch videotape copy of to my music video producer friend at the ABC and it has subsequently found its way into their archives or Channel 10. I used the LO80 version for the audio and re-synched the Micro Music footage, beefing it up with Cars-style digital video effects using a Quantel DPE - the very same device used to create the effects on Cars. You'll know if it is in fact mine if it squeezes a close-up of Numan into a triangular pyramid shape towards the end, culminating in a very bluish/purplish shot of Numan. I still have a copy of it somewhere in my archives in Queensland. Did you tape it by any chance? Huh? Huh? Still scanning MTV & VH-1 for the Fear Factory or Dominion Day video - no luck yet. Damn. Willow said "from 2001 to 2002 is the second millennium" - WHAT? Did I miss something? Doesn't the next millennium (third) start in 3001? Jesus H. Christ on a bicycle where's the vodka? You explained it very eloquently but missed the point of your own explanation: we don't celebrate that baby's birthday until AFTER it's turned one year old, not when it's STARTING to grow ... damn, I just broke the 5th. Numan Commandment! I hate it when that happens. Now I have to say 13 Hail Gary's. Jenny: burn the CD, get the covers, but still send the money to Numan - in cash (see the 6th. Numan Commandment.) And lo! yea verily, "Prison Moon" is a fucking great song! Hallelujah! The TikethTokethMan Moscow ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 04:21:28 EDT From: Kalivale@aol.com Subject: S.U.'S To: numan@cs.uwp.edu does any one have any idea what S.U."S means???? if so could you email me. thanks Nicholas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:21:55 -0400 From: "Terrence Thoman" Subject: The Box network To: "Numan Digest, Gary" Twice last week I avoided sending this because I was just sure the digest would be filled with notices, but then nothing! Anyway, Fear Factory's video of 'Cars' is now on 'The Box' network, selection 330; at least it is hear on the east coast (I live in Pennsylvania). Gary's getting shared billing as the song is listed as "Cars Fear Factory/Gary Numan 330" which is pretty exciting. It was also featured on their 'New Videos of the Week' program so it was being shown a couple times a day. We went to sleep by dialing 0.... 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