Gary Numan Digest Sun, 25 Jul 99 Volume 1 : Issue 558 Today's Topics: 2000 - A Numan Odyssey Burning Cd's + Prophecy Copyright issues (warning, long rant ahead!) Fear Factory - CARS Gary Numan Digest V1 #557 great t-shirts man Help!!! Maybe You've Been Brainwashed Too Millenium Out of Office AutoReply: Gary Numan Digest V1 #557 S.U.'s The Ten Commandments ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:40:43 +0100 From: tina freeman Subject: 2000 - A Numan Odyssey To: numan@cs.uwp.edu As much as it galls me to say it , Joey is correct the Millenium does NOT begin until midnight 31st DECEMBER 2000 any scientist will tell you that. I used to have the official scientific explaination for this fact but I dont anymore so Joey's explaination will have to do :) You are not 1 year old until you have completed one year you cannot say a child (or a year or a millenium) is one year when it is infact only 30 seconds old thats stupid and thank god for that otherwise I would be 31 and not 30 :) Tina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:30:45 BST From: "James Chapman" Subject: To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Peter Enright...I like it! What a read! Oh yeah - Billie should be the first disco hell, not Wham! :-) As for my message, my brain was working slower than my fingers. I didn't want to flame anyone., but I'll defend mid-carrer Numan till I'm blue in the face if I must :-) James ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:30:36 +0200 From: "Peeters Joeri (RBBE/EWH)" Subject: Burning Cd's + Prophecy To: "'numan@cs.uwp.edu'" Hi, Burning CD's and MP3 files are the subject of the month on the Numan digest. Where I work I once gave a compilation (for free) to a friend with mainly songs of the last exile tour. As a result my friend became a fan ( not yet a Numanoid ) and bought within one year the following albums: Exile The Pleasure Principle Replicas Dominion day US-single A few years ago I did the same for another friend which I haven't seen in a long time. Last week I stopped at his house and I noticed he bought both the 'exile' AND 'exile extended' album. ' Fantastic ' albums he said! As you see sometimes people get interested in Numan after getting a free Numan compilation. Yesterday I downloaded 'Fear Factory - Cars' as a mp3-file. Why? Because it is not available in Belgium at this very moment but when it's in the shops I'll buy it anyway. Last year I made several songs available as mp3 files on 'Prophecy'. Because Gary doesn't want high quality mp3 songs on the net I removed them immediately and won't upload songs ever again. I had several mails thanking me for making 'metal beat' and ' live at the vortex' available when it was NOT available in the shops anymore. I think a REAL fan will buy any new or old songs when they become available.( like 'metal rhythm' and 'new anger' for example) Everyone knows that downloading mp3 files from the net and burning them on CD-R( with Nero software you don't even have to convert them to wave) is very popular at this very moment. When you take a look at the big mp3-sites you won't find a Numan song available for download ( sometimes 'cars' ). I think if more Numan mp3 files are available for download the result would be that more people like to know more about Numan. I understand Numan's opinion of giving music away for free. There are bands (like Mettalica) who don't mind mp3 songs on the fans homepages. The difference with Numan is that Mettalica sell millions of albums. I think if Gary would sell like Mettalica his opinion could be different. You always have people who like to earn money illegal (by copying Numan Cd's and selling them) and that's a shame. See you all in Belgium and I hope you will have a good time. For those who like a real strong men's beer try ' DUVEL' ( devil ) and you'll see. (not available on the festival I think) Prophecy is going to new server within a few weeks. My new email: joeri.peeters@pandora.be ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:07:18 -0600 From: "Joey Lindstrom" Subject: Copyright issues (warning, long rant ahead!) To: "Gary Numan" On Thu, 22 Jul 99 01:00:02 CDT, Kev wrote: >First, let me go on record as saying that I do believe Gary deserves his >royalties from new copies of his material being made. I bought a CD burner >for my PC for three reasons 1) data storage and archival 2) making copies >of CDs so I could have one at home, one at work, etc. 3) Taking the best >songs of several CDs and putting them onto one (i.e. making a greatest hits >collection) when there was not another alternative. Prior to having a CD >burner, I used cassettes for much the same purpose, and in Gary's case, was >able to make some pretty nice tapes combining my favorite 12" singles with >other tracks both from CD and vinyl. > >However, this does not make it legal. There's where you're wrong. Well, with one slight exception, see point #2. 1) Obviously it's legal to make copies of your own data. As to archival purposes, you may legally back up, say, your Microsoft Office CD, for ARCHIVAL PURPOSES. It is the purpose that counts. If you're worried about losing the disc and decide to make a copy that you store off-site, there's NOTHING wrong (or illegal) about this. However: 2) Having two copies of a CD for home and work - I'm assuming you mean music CD's but I'll address that in point #3, and focus on CD-ROM's here. Having an archival copy of a disc is one thing, but installing that software (ie: Microsoft Office) on both your home and work machines may be a violation of the licence agreement. Many licences only state that you can only RUN one copy at a time - meaning you can indeed install it on both machines, so long as they're not both in simultaneous use (ie: you're using it on one machine or the other, nobody else is using one machine while you use the other). Check your licence agreements, they do vary. 3) Making a dupe of a CD you've bought and paid for is legal so long as it is for YOUR listening enjoyment. Two obvious uses are: making an archival copy, and making a best-of compilation disc. When you bought the CD, you bought a licence to listen to the music. You have a right guaranteed by law (in most nations, including Canada, the UK, and the USA) to make copies of that music so long as it is for your own listening purposes. You may not sell or give away these copies. Furthermore, you cannot sell or give away THE ORIGINAL while retaining the copies: you either have to destroy the copies or include them in the sale/giveaway. This is why the music industry turns a paranoid eye towards used record stores - they KNOW a significant percentage of people went out and bought the disc, made a copy, and then sold it. Then again, you wouldn't save much by doing this - those stores don't give you much for your used discs. Copyright law, which is RELATIVELY uniform among all nations that are signatories to international copyright conventions, has a provision called "Fair Use". Making your OWN COPIES, for your OWN USE, constitutes Fair Use. There is nothing illegal, immoral, or fattening about it. Make your copies without any guilt, and bear in mind that "nobody gets hurt", not even hypothetically, when you do this. >I think there is a lot of confusion based on court rulings here in the >United States regarding videotaping of televised events, as well as Gary's >statement on MP3 files. > >The court rulings apply only to videotape materials from a televised event. >This does not give anyone the right to go and make copies of CDs. It >doesn't matter whether it is for your own personal use or not when taken in >the context of the letter of the law. I can't speak to the particular court rulings you're talking about, but this statement is flat-out wrong. You can indeed make copies of your CD's for your OWN PERSONAL USE. >Does it mean we do not do it? Sure >we do. Just like the crusade in the 80s to stop home tapers, there is a >growing concern about recordable CDs. That particular crusade was stopped cold in its tracks by the (then new) Fair Use provisions of the updated copyright conventions. >The industry in the US has attempted >to avert the issue by tacking on a royalty fees to the sale of recordable >CDs, but the caveat is that the distribution of those royalties is based on >sales. That's nothing compared to the lunacy happening here in Canada. Last year, they announced just such a tax, although they insisted it wasn't a "tax". The money was to be redistributed to the various record labels and recording artists who are (allegedly) being hurt by illegal copying. This was supposed to take effect on January 1st, but they couldn't agree on a particular price formula. So they delayed it to July 1st, but (get this!) told everyone that when it went into effect, it would be RETROACTIVE to January 1st - meaning the retailers better start charging this extra fee now (ie: between Jan 1 and July 1) because they'll be expected to remit these monies once the fee is set on July 1. But how much do they charge? Talk about MAJOR confusion! The upshot is that some retailers (and even Costco) stopped selling blank CD's, CD-RW's, and even audio tapes (all of which would be "taxed" by this legislation) for a short while until they could consult with their lawyers. The lawyers pretty much unanimously agreed that no court in the land would back up the government in assessing a RETROACTIVE fee that wasn't spelled out in advance, so everyone started selling CD's and tapes again. We're now past July 1st.... and no tax. I've not heard what the latest delay is, but opposition to this has been extraordinarily fierce - under this regime, the average price of a blank CD could double and audio tapes could increase by something like 75% (according to the "best guesses" available). Guess who the biggest complainers were? Small, independent recording artists, that's who. THEY USE BLANK TAPES AND CD'S, AND QUITE A LOT OF THEM TOO! They stood to reap almost nothing from the tax yet would be expected to PAY the tax on every blank they bought. Typical of most left-wing policies, this one would hurt the very people it purported to help. Last I heard, one consumers' group was planning on taking on the government in court, on the basis that one cannot be penalized for an illegal action that you MAY commit but have NOT YET committed. After all, this is the same country where owners of convenience stores have been fined because they refused to allow more than 4 high school students into their store at the same time (so they could keep an eye on the little shoplifting bastards). The law also completely ignores Fair Use entirely and assumes that all copies are illegal. It also ignores legitimate (non-piracy) uses. Why should you pay a royalty to Celine Dion and Alanis Morrisette and (worse yet!) The Barenaked Ladies so that you can backup your spreadsheets? Or to make and distribute CD's and tapes of music you've recorded yourself? Finally, and this is the worst part of the whole thing: if you've gone to the store and bought a box of blank CD's and paid a royalty on those discs (a royalty possibly HIGHER, I might add, than most artists receive for selling a legitimate CD), wouldn't that make you feel like you now have a legitimate right to make illegal copies, since you've already PAID THE ROYALTY? This thing seems dead here, but it went a lot further than it did in the USA. Pretty damned scary, if you ask me. >Sorry, Gary doesn't stand a chance against Ricky Martin in sales. Yup - so how much of a royalty tax would Gary get? Not a lot. And under the Canadian scheme, he'd get zero, because the payouts would only go to Canadian artists. >Also, the royalties are only collected from the sale of DA (Digital Audio) >Recordable CDs. These CDs only record audio, not data. You can use a data >CD for either use, and royalties are not coming off those. Nonetheless, >there was an effort, however small, which is more than occurred with >cassettes. I've never heard of a CD that could only (either for technical reasons or by licencing agreement) be used for audio. Are you sure you're not talking about DAT (Digital Audio Tape)? The entire DAT concept died a painful death in the USA because the record companies were scared shitless of it, and a hefty royalty was imposed on the sale of every DAT recorder. Now we have home CD burners in our computers and you can even buy a consumer CD recorder - looks like a regular CD player but it has a line-in jack and you feed it blank CD-R's. No royalty there. Weird, huh? / From the messy desktop of Joey Lindstrom / Email: Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU or joey@lindstrom.com / Phone: +1 403 313-JOEY / FAX: +1 413 643-0354 (yes, 413 not 403) / Visit The NuServer! http://www.GaryNumanFan.NU / Visit The Webb! http://webb.GaryNumanFan.NU / / When I was little, my grandfather used to make me stand in a closet for / five minutes without moving. He said it was elevator practice. / --Steven Wright ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:29:22 +0100 From: luc.de_visscher@ch.Novartis.com Subject: Fear Factory - CARS To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) Well I guess Gary is making quite a lot of money with this cover, considering the airplay it gets here in Belgium... But doesn't anybody wonder Gary is always stating he wants to be remembered for the music he is making NOW, but still more than volunteers to make yets another version of Cars??? Greetings from Luc, Heading for the Alphaville concert ot tonight! Luc The Numan Factor, Belgium ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 02:21:48 PDT From: "ian blair" Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #557 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu >>"Joey Lindstrom" >>Subject: 2000 - A Numan Odyssey >>The music was good. >>And I like music. >>Too bad none of it was original (ie: scored for the movie). I was told that an origonal sound track was commissioned and scored, but the guy was listenening to all of that classical music, whilst making the movie... by the time the score arrived, he'd decided to use the classical stuff... (???) Anyone able to confirm..? It would be nice to hear, what wasn't used... Ian. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:34:05 BST From: "dizzy shep" Subject: great t-shirts man To: numan@cs.uwp.edu just like to thank ade.pitkin for making up the Tubeway Army t-shirt for me, its really sound, havn't been able to get anything like it for years. Any more different designs coming mate..how about something from replicas? Roll on Manchester......!!!!!!!!!! Steve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 01:19:57 -0500 (EST) From: Machman@netdirect.net Subject: Help!!! To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello all, A couple of things. Does ANYONE out there have Images on CD they are willing to sell. My vinyl collection is no longer with me(Hello Troy), as a nasty thing called divorce happened and I needed the money. At the time, I figured that I could eventually piece the entire collection back together on CD, and for the most part, I have. I only need the Images CDs at this point, as well as the NON extended Sacrafice. They installed a 25 CD changer for the PA/intercome system at work. Some people were offended by some of the radio playing taking place, so people are bringing in CDs for approval for use. I work the 3rd shift, so I am thinking about taking in Dance. To through my pocket change into it, I like Strange Charm, not my fave, but I like it. Regarding making copies FOR PERSONAL use. I will double check on this and get back with you, but as a music industry minor in college, we cover this type thing. If you read most of the information, it talks about the DISTRIBUTION of the materials in question, and not the actualy act of copying it. This came heavily into play with LPS vs casettes. Tough to play those LPs in the car, and no, not all LPs were made on tape. Thus under the Fair Use clause, I believe it was, one could make copies for their own use. Again, I will double check this, and that laws may have changed in 10 plus years. Take care, Mark Hubbard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:29:35 -0400 From: Matthew Roberts Subject: Maybe You've Been Brainwashed Too To: Gary Numan > the ONLY thing that bugs me about this whole thing > is that the media continues to call January 1st 2000 > "the first day of the new millenium", which it is NOT > and I wish they'd bloody well get it right. Oh Joey, how I agree. But unfortunately, they don't want = to get it right. They don't care. They're morally bankrupt = capitalist lackeys, who only care about packaging the = "news" as easily digestable, palatable pulp where good = and bad, black and white, right and wrong are as clear = as the nose on your face and shades of grey are not = tolerated. Now I think Sandra, our Showbiz Correspondent has = some interesting news for us. Sandra... ... Thanks Hank. Yes, there were incredible scenes = today in London, England when pop star Gary Newman, = 37, attacked fans with a baseball bat. A spokesperson = for the fans claimed that they had turned up for a cup of = tea and a chat about how Gary could revive his fading = career. Newman, who had a string of hits in the 80's = with songs such as Cars and Our Friends Electric told = reporters "fuck off". He was later taken into custody by = the local bobbies... ...Thank you Sandra. I guess that's one pop star who = won't be having any 'hits' with his fans for a stretch . And now the whether. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:17:58 -0500 From: "PHILIP JACOBSON" Subject: Millenium To: I say it starts on February 9th, 2006. See, if you take the square of the hypotenuse in the triangulation of the moon, earth and sun times the rotation of the sun in relation to the suns position in our galaxy if it were plotted on a set of circumscribed circles and then divided all this by... it comes out to my date. Trust me. End of discussion. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:46:15 +0100 From: Matthew Tamea Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: Gary Numan Digest V1 #557 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I'm sorry but I'm out of the office until Monday 26th July but I'll read your mail when I get back. Thanks!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 18:08:17 -0400 From: "Ken" Subject: S.U.'s To: "Numan Digest" Hello All! In reply to Nicholas's question, "does any one have any idea what S.U."S means???? ", Gary wrote in his book, "Praying to the Aliens", that it is in reference to a lady named Su Wathan who worked for Beggars Banquet. I take it she was also a former girlfriend of Gary's because his book says "We had an odd little arrangement for a while, which I was far too immature to deal with or understand." ..."The 7.4. mentioned at the start of the spoken part applies to the 7th and 4th letters of the alphabet - G.D. a woman called Gail Dean." Someone else Gary had a fling with. He said that "AFE" was a mixture of what had been two different songs. The spoken part being very personal while the rest of the song was based on his futuristic theme. I hope this is an adequate answer. Bye all! Ken "The Numaniac" Bryant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:06:50 +0000 From: "Michael J. Damrath" Subject: The Ten Commandments To: Gary Numan Peter Enright, thank you! "The Ten Commandments According to Numan' had me rolling on the office floor. It is the funniest thing I have ever read on the digest and made me remember why I still subscribe to this thing. I am reformatting your commandments to post on the wall of my office, (if you don't mind the copyright infringement) I will be certain to give you writing credit on the bottom of the poster! You are a most brilliant writer. I do hope you are using your formidable powers for the forces of good. :-) Sincerely, Michael J. 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