Gary Numan Digest Thu, 29 Jul 99 Volume 1 : Issue 559 Today's Topics: [BoysLikeUs] Duplication (a different situation) Gary Numan Digest V1 #558 (2 msgs) hello everyone I can't stop it, I can't stop it again.... Land ahoy lyrics to "This House Is Cold" new web sites Non-directly related Numan concert review ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:18:02 -0400 (EDT) From: brezniakdavid@webtv.net (David B.) Subject: [BoysLikeUs] To: BoysLikeUs@onelist.com Here's one for all of us... I was in a Friendly's Restaraunt on Sunday night. Ok, No big deal there, right? Well..... Guess what song came on their sound system? 'WARRIORS'!!! I couldn't believe my ears! I was probably the only little person in the place who knew it was what it was...but it was!! Just thought I'd share it along.. Sometimes it feels great to be a Numan fan...and the Hot Fudge Sundae I had wasn't bad, either....:) Cheers. -Dave Brezniak ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:58:21 +1000 From: Ashley Fletcher Subject: Duplication (a different situation) To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hi An initial apology for this mail - I know this isn't the right forum but I need some feedback. Please reply to me directly - even flame me for getting off the Numan track. Parts of my website have been duplicated! If you know my site it has been up for a number of years, briefly I do a small bio and picture on many '80's bands - someone has taken each picture (say over 100) and the associated bio (cut it down abit) and made a set of pages based exactly the same way as mine. Admittely they have put other bands up there but mainly left question marks for the bio details - showing a distinct lack of effort. Quotes like "I admired your site for it is full of useful information and thats why I have to borrow some of the materials and its layout." and "I believe that this thing happens all the time in the internet." don't exactly offer solace or compensation (my credit was among many on a Java scrolling screen without even a link). No relply to my comment that I think they should remove the pages and start from scratch in an original way. So - any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks for your time. All the best Ashley a.fletcher@pathology.unimelb.edu.au The New Wave Complex - http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~new_wave/ Neo Synthpop - http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~new_wave/Neosynth.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 04:55:47 -0400 From: "Kev" Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #558 To: "Gary Numan" Joey, Thanks for your "information", but you are only partly correct in your response. I did a little research on this, and can speak to your points. Not to make this sound too much like a flame(which some of it is - you deserve it), but I would recommend you make sure your ducks are actually ducks before you start lining them up. I think a few free range chickens got in this last batch. Your 'interpretation' of copyright is slightly warped and based on what appears to be misinformation. Read on and learn a little more. First, the software issue you raised. You can make backup copies of software when the End User License Agreement states you can. Very little software is permitted to reside on two computers and only be run on one. This is concurrent licensing and Microsoft no longer permits it in their licenses (see http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/licensing/faq/shared.asp) There is not a specification of the use of the CD Rom format for making a backup copy of any given piece of software. Most EUL Agreements imply backup copies as those made with a backup program, not duplicated outright. Check your Microsoft products. You will see "DO NOT MAKE ILLEGAL COPIES OF THIS DISK." written right across it. And they are serious, they do prosecute this type of activity. The video duplication ruling I am speaking of is commonly known as the Betamax ruling from 1983 decided by the United States Supreme Court. This case only addresses "time-shift" recording, which is taping a program and watching it at a later time. The basic interpretation is, anything other than taping free programming (not HBO, Cinemax, Pay-per-View)for the convenience of watching said program at a later date is copyright infringement. The entire issue was could Sony sell their recorders (betamax) in the US. Disney and Universal brought the suit to fruition. Regarding audio only recordable CDs, there is a line of CDs designed specifically for audio only. This is known as the CD-R DA format. Most people use the CD-R format, which can record data and or music/DVD. See this site (http://www.wyco.com/wyco/wyplda02.htm) if you doubt the existence of CD-DA. Incidentally, there is another format you can re-record which is like a CD-RW but can be read by ANY machine. (CD-RW can only be read in a CD burner or CD-RW capable drive or player. You may know in Canada what constitutes copyright infringement, but even your knowledge of this is questionable, based on your supposed "knowledge" of the Canadian Private Copying Collective (CPCC) levy on blank audio sources in Canada. The levy does not go into effect until Dec 31, 1999, unless the five companies that make up CPCC arrive at a decision earlier than Dec 31. Copyright law is NOT relatively uniform among all nations. Your CPCC is an example. They appear to have amended Canada's copyright law from 1997, and give permission to make copies of music for personal use. The United States has not given any such permission. It is something we have just done as consumers. The statement that we cannot be held responsible is not true. Our RIAA here in the lower 48 have aggressively opposed permissive copying in any form of copyrighted music. Bands such as Aerosmith have taken a firm stand against CD copies, as well as proliferation of MP3. Fair use is a loose term, however, it is use, not duplication. Your statement that copying a CD is illegal is "flat out wrong" is based on your country's copyright laws. The law in the United States, however cloudy, does not define "fair use" as making duplicate copies, in any form. And for those who are saying "alright, enough of this in the digest, already", we haven't even touched the issue of duplicating cover art and pictures with a scanner..... Joey, clean your messy desktop, do a little research before you "explain" to me what is legal and illegal regarding copyright laws, and then you will see the point. If that doesn't work, cut your hair a little shorter to see the actual point. -Kev www.kevworks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:55:52 EDT From: Neffuri@aol.com Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #558 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Over the weekend, I was searching sites on the net that were themed to Gary Numan and came across one that had just tons and tons of photos of him and I was pleasantly suprised to find Gary and Gemma's (please forgive me if this spelling is not correct of her name) wedding pictures on the site. They had a Lovely wedding. Does anyone out there know the story of this romance, I am not trying to be really personal about Gary, but as a true fan I am interested in this seeming fairy tale romance, they look so wonderful together. This site also had some great concert photos of Gary etc.. Oh well, just curious. and to the gentleman who was busting my chops about "being a lower form of life" because I wrote GARY NUMAN RULEZ! That is perfectly alright, I got a chuckle from it. I am still young and sometimes use the verbage and vernacular of youth, but I am not inferior in intelligence, I have also been excavating an ancient indian site this summer and am in the process of getting or trying to obtain patents for my amusement park ride designs.smile Thanks friendly huggs to all Kimberly Acacia Lynn Cole ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:27:02 +0100 From: Jackie Taylor Subject: hello everyone To: numan@cs.uwp.edu me and my boyfriend were talking about gary the other day (as i am trying to get him more into numan) he already likes some of the albums i have pushed in his face. and he said to me and i quote "why doesn't gary release SEED OF A LIE again? it is a great track and i reckon that it would get a lot of airplay, seeing as jo whiley on radio one is always playing new and different stuff." i also reckon it's a beautiful track and am sure it would appeal to many people, not just youngsters. i wonder if gary is reading this? just a thought. but a good one. see you all later. jackie.taylor@dtn.ntl.com NTL TV-Internet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:28:38 BST From: "James Chapman" Subject: I can't stop it, I can't stop it again.... To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I'm sorry for starting another discussion on the relative qualitites of the piece de resistance of Numan albums :-) (and anyone else's albums), Strange Charm. We've already had one before and I don't think we need another. It's just you see a red mist sometimes... Anyway, let's see how long I can go without mentioning how good SC is, (responses to detractors like you know who excepted). :-) Guesses anyone? James ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:43:28 +0100 From: Simon Mark Joseph Subject: Land ahoy To: The digest .... sorry can't stop long I'm down loading some mpg3 files and I can't spare the widthband and when I burn them on to cd my machine gets very slow:-) No but seriously, deprive numan, sad to say, a struggling artist who can ill afford any loss of royalties. Thats a clear no,no. What about the likes of 'am I a human being or a multinational company:- u2, morrissete, oasis, the stones. These people are obscenely wealthy and who seriously gives a toss about "ripping them off". A term most British consumers will be well aware of as we are shafted well and truly every time we buy anything. Oh but if the record companies are 'cheated' out of their royalties then they will not be able to support new talent. So why recently when A&M records hit hard times did they shed nearly 30% of their acts.... all low returners? Its all to do with the bottom line. The bottom line begins at home. I'll be dammed if I'll pay 30-40% more for my music than an American/Canadian. If they expect us to be fair then we need to be treated so. The thing with tapes was that they were crap. They sounded awful. So people tended to buy LPS because of that. CDS are very different. They are perfect replications. I can live without a cover and inner notes (except numans stuff) as I listen to music, I don't look at it. Possibly grim times ahead for the long term future of music? Not a chance. Can you imagine a young hendrix thinking of becoming an accountant because their isn't any money in music, hardly. What about the distribution of music? The record companies..... Stop right there. There is not one human being on this planet that gives a monkeys about record companies. Nor those mafia record shops. They can all fold. Apart from the nice independent ones that some how manage to sell their stuff significantly cheaper, odd that. Distribution can be done electronically. Ten years and it could all be true. Phewwwww I must thank Ade pitkin for the tubeway shirts. They are great. Thanks very much. Anyway I'm off to work out what year it is 1998 1999 2000 2001 when do they all start? when do they all end? arrr man. Cheers Simon mailto:s.joseph@virgin.net A Proud member of 'he wore a tubeway army shirt on his back, He would show it with pride and say my mate ade made it me' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:53:29 -0500 From: Valerie Iglar-Mobley Subject: lyrics to "This House Is Cold" To: The Gary Digest Say And I say 'me' Boys with their ambition The sparkle dies down I could believe in such things Boys with their ambitions Sparkle dies down I could believe in such things This house is cold This house is mine This house is yours Like friends of mine Ooh, I could boys like down like some down like boys suppose Ooh, I could down like boys like could down like you Ooh, I could down like boys like could boys like could down like cries Boys cry Boys scream 'down' Like boys fell down I could believe in such rain Me falling down Falling boys Like and I And I can see such... no This house is mine This house is cold This house is yours This friends of old Ooh, like could down like boys on the ground like I suppose Ooh, I could down like boys underground like you Ooh, I could down like boys on the boys on the ground like me Boys like Crying 'down' like I'll say 'me' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:40:05 +0100 From: "deadheaven" Subject: new web sites To: Thought you may be interested in these new Numan web sites. DEAD HEAVEN http://users.tinyonline.co.uk/gnuman Exiled Telekon http://members.tripod.com/exiletelekon1/index.htm Numan Live http://members.tripod.com/numlive/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:51:16 +0100 From: luc.de_visscher@ch.Novartis.com Subject: Non-directly related Numan concert review To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) Hi everyone, Since on this list we discuss quite a lot of about music, I thought I'd give you an impression of the Alphaville concert in Belgium last Friday. Non Numan related? Mmmm, not exactly. Tessa Niles was background singer for Numan and Alphaville, and one of the keyboardplayers whose name I forgot also played for Gary. And just like Gary, everybody thinks AV stopped somewhere in '83 - '84. The concert itself was awesome. I'm a 200% Numan fan, but compared to the concert of The Forum, this was better, and at least they got the sound right ;-)! They brought a lot of old material from the Big In Japan era, switched with some new stuff. Off ourse, the oldies had the best response (Big in Japan, Sounds like a melody, Forever Young and Dance with me). The new material was good, but you could see that the latest CD was never released in Belgium... I had a very good time though, and quite a laugh with some strange Goth band that played before AV; Just imagine, skinheaded Germans in indian costumes playing the hornpipe and heavy guitars to sound Goth. They must be crazy. 13 days countdown for Gary's 4th Belgian concert!!! Luc The Numan Factor Belgium ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ****************************** _______________________________________________________________________ _____ ____ ____ _____ _____ / \ | | / \ / \ / \ / \ | |-----| |-----| | |-----| |-----| | | | G | | A | | | R | | Y | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----| |-----| | |-----| |-----| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | N | E | W | S |=====| | | | | | | | & | | | | | | | \_____/ I | N | F | O | | | | is produced and distributed by Derek Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, mail to: numan@cs.uwp.edu If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, you can mail to numan-request@cs.uwp.edu ----------------- The Gary Numan Digest is brought to you via Datta Production and Development, 905 97th Street, Kenosha, WI 53143 USA datta@cs.uwp.edu and computer resources courtesy of University of Wisconsin-Parkside and Datta Production and Development. 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