Gary Numan Digest Sun, 3 Oct 99 Volume 1 : Issue 578 Today's Topics: Bottom Correction Cover versions Gary Numan Digest V1 #577 Homeworkers Needed! Intruduction Living Ornaments 79 New Subscriber. Numan Digest VI Issue #577, AFE Scan NuStreet at NuWorld (3 msgs) Received from Poppitt Gary Rock City Free Press Rock Sound rubato revelation The Fragile tired of all his 'bitch'ing ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:11:28 -0400 From: Matthew Roberts Subject: Bottom To: Gary Numan Since we've already done favourite albums, and since the Digest has dried= up a bit, I thought I'd list my 10 least favourite albums. If anyone else fancies a go, there's only one rule - you have to own them= Surely only an idiot would criticise a record they haven't heard a few times? In order of loathing... 1. Replicants - Replicants (Dull covers. NOTHING to do with Billy Corgan)= 2. Test Dept - Pax Brittanica (Nice politics. Shite record) 3. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds (And the Beatles were crap too) 4. Led Zeppelin - 4 (It was the pseud in me. I'm sorry) 5. Dubstar - Disgraceful (Their words not mine) 6. Erasure - The Innocents (Better than Abba. Just) 7. Creed - My Own Prison (Dunce rockers fooled me with a couple of nice tunes) 8. Leftfield - Rhythm And Stealth (14 quid! 14 quid!) 9. Beck - Mutations (He's clever, but the record label's cleverer) 10. Nirvana - Nevermind (OK, they were influencial! Creed are on this lis= t too) If anyone's wondering, 3 were bought on the back of a Numan connection, 3= on the basis of reputation, 2 because I actually like a couple of the songs, 1 because I thought anything they did would be brilliant and 1 because I liked it at the time. Matthew Roberts ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 10:00:04 +0100 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Correction To: Gary Numan This is a correction to the "Covers" item below. Now that I have had a chance to read further, I discover that Thaemlitz's first record was THE PLEASURE PRINCIPLE. Paddy Vickers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 22:39:24 +0100 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Cover versions To: Gary Numan Received Fear Factory's "Cars" today. When someone said that it was just like the original, I thought they were exaggerating. Well, it's not EXACTLY the same, (before I get the usual flaming for being careless with words), but in general terms it is the same as the original. I expected them to **DO** something different with it - like, perhaps play guitars? Also got "Replicas Rubato" today, and then had to go to work before playing it. But - there are lovely touches. The front cover is modelled on the Replicas cover, but with Thaemlitz standing there instead of Gary. (She's actually quite pretty, isn't he?) The back cover is modelled on the back of Replicas. Even the "Mille Plateaux" label logo looks like a Beggars Banquet one! Where most records tell you that you are not allowed to copy/rerecord them, this one says, "Unauthorized replicas forbidden" , or words to that effect, and apparently "Cars" was the first record Thaemlitz bought..... For cheesy old photos of how I used to look when I was younger, try and then go to the History page. I am the one wearing a Turkish costume.... Paddy Vickers Proud member of Fanatics Like Us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 17:47:27 -0700 From: Alphons Hilgers Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #577 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) At 01:00 AM 9/30/99 -0500, you wrote: >I don't know if this list accepts attachments. Otherwise, I would have >posted it to the list. followed by about one meg of crappy MIME Jesus.....what a dork..... 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I have been a Gary Numan fan since I can remember. I don't know why as = not many 25 year olds like Gary but its there loss. My favourite albums are Exile, Sacrifice and Tubeway Army. My favourite all time single track is Friends (old and new version), if = anyone can get a copy of the new version on CD please please let me = know. I have been to about 12 concerts the best was either Glasgow (exile = tour), the electricity went during the concert and Gary was singing Jo = the Waiter whilst we were waiting for electricity to come back on (was = very funny) and the Shepherds Bush Concert, (20 Years Anniversary Gig). I am looking for pen pals as well from all over the world and if anyone = is going to Manchester in November please let me know we can meet up for = a drink before the gig. Well Thank You I will write to you soon. Graham Fletcher FletcherGraham@btinternet.com Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi my name is Graham Fletcher, I'm 25 = years old, I=20 am from Surrey, England. I have been a Gary Numan fan since I = can=20 remember. I don't know why as not many 25 year olds like Gary but = its=20 there loss. My favourite albums are Exile, = Sacrifice and=20 Tubeway Army. My favourite all time single track is = Friends (old=20 and new version), if anyone can get a copy of the new version on CD = please=20 please let me know. I have been to about 12 concerts the = best was=20 either Glasgow (exile tour), the electricity went during the concert and = Gary=20 was singing Jo the Waiter whilst we were waiting for electricity to come = back on=20 (was very funny) and the Shepherds Bush Concert, (20 Years Anniversary=20 Gig). I am looking for pen pals as well from = all over the=20 world and if anyone is going to Manchester in November please let me = know we can=20 meet up for a drink before the gig. Well Thank You I will write to you=20 soon. Graham Fletcher FletcherGraham@btinternet.c= om ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 19:00:42 +0100 From: colin_l Subject: Living Ornaments 79 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Bought aforementioned CD today from Virgin, Glasgow for £15.99. HMV charging £16.49... Still awaiting imminent release of Dance. Wonder what previously unreleased title track sounds like and why it wasn't included on original album... Colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:28:21 -0500 From: Jared Ramey Subject: New Subscriber. To: "'Numan News Letter'" Hello, My name is Jared, I am 25 and currently live in Houston Texas. I have = been listening to Numan since 1992 when I first heard Metal Rythem and = Machine and Soul. I have been hooked ever since. I have most = everything Numan has released including the re-issues. Unfortunately I = am a completist in that sence. Some of my other musical intrests include Ultravox, Japan (including = there solo work), John Foxx, Brian Eno, David Bowie, Einsturzende = Nuebauten, Cabaret Voltaire, etc etc. =20 In my opinion Numan's best work can be found on The Fury and Berserker, = though all of his work is quiet brilliant. If anyone can tell me where I might be able to find a copy of Praying to = the Aliens, please let me know. I came across a hard back copy at Let = it Be records in Mineapolis, but for some strange reason I figured I = could find it cheaper elsewhere. It was only 40 bucks. Sometimes I pay = for my own stupidity. Any leads would be helpful. That is all for now. I look forward to many postings in the future. Thanks for your time, Jared Tibet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:55:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriannah Subject: Numan Digest VI Issue #577, AFE Scan To: jkuchink@ix.netcom.com, numan@cs.uwp.edu Hi Billy. When I got my Numan digest this Thursday morning it was 1454k. All of this Numan Digest consists of your message only, which also is including your AFE Scan stuff. Your "This is a multipart message in MIME format" and your "Afe.plt" has affected the Numan digest in so much that we can't see anything else but your message which has crowded the digest. You probably already figured this out upon viewing your Numan digest this morning. But I just wanted to inform you of this problem just in case you're not aware of it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:03:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriannah Subject: NuStreet at NuWorld To: numan@cs.uwp.edu --0-1804289383-938696586=:3091 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi. Here I am sending my message again to the digest, since only the title appeared on the digest, and not the actual message. Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com --0-1804289383-938696586=:3091 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from [208.138.90.151] by web1403.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:37:23 PDT Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:37:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Adriannah Subject: NuStreet at NuWorld To: numan@cs.uwp.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 639 Hi. Has anyone on this digest ever shopped at NuStreet at Gary Numan's NuWorld website? I placed some orders there at the end of August. My credit cards have been charged, yet still I have not received my orders. Does anyone here know how long it usually takes for NuStreet orders to be shipped once a credit card has been charged? And also, do you know how long it usually takes for an item to ship from the U.K. to the U.S.A.? I e-mailed orders@numan.co.uk to ask about my orders, but I've gotten no response yet. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com --0-1804289383-938696586=:3091-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:58:14 +0100 From: Emperor Subject: NuStreet at NuWorld To: adriannahlynn@yahoo.com In message , Adriannah writes >Hi. Has anyone on this digest ever shopped at >NuStreet at Gary Numan's NuWorld website? I >placed some orders there at the end of August. >My credit cards have been charged, yet still I >have not received my orders. Does anyone here >know how long it usually takes for NuStreet >orders to be shipped once a credit card has been >charged? And also, do you know how long it >usually takes for an item to ship from the U.K. >to the U.S.A.? I e-mailed orders@numan.co.uk to >ask about my orders, but I've gotten no response >yet. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > -- What you`ve got to remember that the people who run NuStreet are just Gary, His Mum and Dad...so rest assured, you will receive your order soon...I don`t think you have anything to worry about, regarding this. -- Stephen. G. Harrogate-Bramley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:02:21 +0100 From: "Forrester, Craig (Craig)" Subject: NuStreet at Nuworld To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hi, I've shoped on NuStreet many times and the time it takes to get items through really depends on what the Numan family are up to at the time. There is a description somewhere on NuStreet as to the process of getting your order sent out, the jist of it being that Gary's mum and dad do all the order processing so if they are away from home or very busy it can take a little while. On top of this it can sometimes take quite a few weeks to get things over to the US depending on whether the item went air freight or ship (I often buy items from the US and it ranges from a week to a month for the goods to get to me). On the mobile phone AFE tones I had a look today and I'm going to download it onto my phone, but I also saw you can design your own graphics which are displayed on the screen. Is anyone artistic enough out there to do a Numan logo? I'd have a go, but it's likely to look more like a smiley face than a Numan logo with my artistic skills. Craig ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 1999 16:01:14 -0000 From: "Poppitt Gary" (MLGB/CSC/CS170) <"Poppitt Gary#FREE#TCGWQ:M4MLGB/CSC/CS170"@topcall.prolabo.co.uk> Subject: Received from Poppitt Gary To: "numan@cs.uwp.edu" (TOPCALL/SMTP/GARY) Fucking hell=21=21=21=21 Radio One are playing Gary Numan as I speak=21=21= =21=21=21 Got to go and lie down. Ciao. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 10:05:05 +0100 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Rock City Free Press To: Gary Numan A friend of mine found a copy of "Rock City Review" in a pub. It has a review of the Rock City concert and an interview with Gary. (reasonably lengthy). I was also amazed to find a quote from myself in it,along with quotes from: Tony Boies, Ireland Accion Humama, Germany Chuck, LA., USA Richard Stott, Washington DC, USA Jeff Tolva (The Machman), Elgin, Illinois, USA Joeri Peters, Belgium I do remember saying what I am quoted to somebody, but I son't remember wher or to whom. (Well, obviously, it must have been in Nottingham....) Paddy Vickers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:11:26 -0400 From: Matthew Roberts Subject: Rock Sound To: Gary Numan Gary was in October's Rock Sound with "5 bands that changed my life". They were: Nine Inch Nails T Rex David Bowie Ultravox The Monkees No Depeche Mode, no Kraftwerk, no Brian Eno. You can fill in most of the text for yourselves, but this caught my eye. Talking about Ultravox: "... I don't think I ever reached their standard (i.e. Systems Of Romance)... I always thought it was much, much better than anyhting I did= Still do." I disagree, but that's OK. I also THINK Gary is ONLY talking about his machine period (78/80), but it comes across as if he means even his recen= t stuff. What an ingenue. What a dick. Matthew Roberts ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 17:12:23 -0500 From: Valerie Iglar-Mobley Subject: rubato revelation To: The Gary Digest Dear numanoids all, I picked up my copy of Terre Thaemlitz' tribute album, 'Replicas Rubato' this week, and it has hardly left my player since. From the very opening notes of "Stormtrooper In Drag" I was practically in tears, as I was through "Down In The Park." This is a stunning, powerful, magical album. The renditions are beautiful, and so enriched by the accompanying text, in which Terre explains just what Gary's music and lyrics have meant to him personally. If you're thinking this is just an album's worth of the b-side to "I Die: You Die" let me assure you it is so much more. That piano rendition was pretty straightforward, while Terre's interpretations are looser and have more feeling. In his improvisations with the melodies, Terre is giving us how the songs move him as a musician. It has the sound of being a labor of love, and gives voice to the love of Gary's music that we each feel. Among the renditions themselves, "Cry The Clock Said" is probably the most faithful and most beautiful-- not surprising considering the original. "Friends" comes across as the most awkward translation, again not surprising considering the "punky" instrumentation of the original and how difficult it would be to lend itself to piano. Interestingly, its Gary's signature song (you know the one) which is least recognizable here. As I mentioned, I feel the text he's written to accompany the album give the songs an added depth and meaning that would otherwise be absent. True, Terre is writing about the queer subtext to Gary's lyrics and imagery, but don't be put off by that. Terre is himself a queer person, and so he's not only writing about Gary's persona, but how Gary's artistry has met him in a deeply personal place. This is a fellow fan talking about how Gary's music has literally changed his life. Here is one of us who is trying to tell the world how amazing and incredible Gary Numan is... and isn't that what each of us would love the world to understand? To me this is definitely the best of the tribute cover albums, yes, surpassing even 'Random 1.' For while that other album has a more conventional sound and is more easily accessible, it remains just a tribute to Gary's music. 'Replicas Rubato' is not just a collection, but a coherent whole, it's an album in its own right. This is also a tribute to Gary's lyrics (despite it being an instrumental) as well as his music. While the lyrics are obviously included in the other tributes, there they are only part of the music; here they take on a meaning beyond just the music, as an art form themselves, as poetry. And lastly, 'Rubato' is about something more than just paying tribute to Gary's music; it's about how this one fan has taken his music inside and felt transformed by it. Beyond a musician just saying, "Gary was an influence on me as an artist," Terre is taking it a step further by adding "and as a person." Terre Thaemlitz has given a gift to us numanoids all. lots of love to all, Benjamin Iglar-Mobley http://home.earthlink.net/~iglarmobley (proud member of the 'Boys Like Us'... just like Terre Thaemlitz!) * * * To order the album or preview the music: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=2033736848/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/popsearch.html To read the text accompanying the album: http://www.comatonse.com/listening/replicas.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:11:29 -0400 From: Matthew Roberts Subject: The Fragile To: Gary Numan Trent Reznor has done it again. He's come up with something really original and challenging. The images a= re stark yet beautiful. It unfolds like a bizarre book, at once glossy and finished and at the same time ragged and tarnished. You want to get insid= e it but fear that the whole thing will fall apart if you get too close. Truly fragile. Yep, you can always count on Nine Inch Nails to come up with some wacky C= D packaging. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:43:58 +0100 From: Tom Gorham Subject: tired of all his 'bitch'ing To: "Gary Numan" At least amongst all the retarded MIME-posters on the digest there was a couple of messages which made it worthwhile scanning to the bottom of the pile. Valerie Iglar-Mobley raised some interesting points about Gary's supposed misogyny, although I've a feeling this thread will end up being as dull as the ones about homo-eroticism. >From my reading, Valerie states that either Gary is a misogynist or he writes as if he were one. Frankly, if he is a misogynist in real life, I couldn't give a toss. I ceased to care about Gary's personal beliefs some time between finding out that he was a Tory and discovering that he enjoyed Formula One Grand Prix. His own beliefs are SCARY, and I don't want to know about them. Besides, if my heroes' personal beliefs were to influence my enjoyment of them, I wouldn't have had the pleasure of enjoying - say - the works of Yeats (a fascist), Larkin (a racist) or Dickens (wife beater). Basically any artist whom I've ever adored has some serious personal problems; so I keep my admiration for them on a purely professional level. But if he really is a nice guy in his personal life, and he only writes like he's a woman-hater, Valerie should remember one major feature of Gary's lyrics: they often amount to nothing more than contrived posturing, or they've been borrowed. Contrived lyrics were most common early in Gary's career - all the androgenous stuff was pretty immature, and just there to impress people, as Gary himself admitted in his autobiography. But I think the line about 'kneel down bitch' was one, like Music for Chameleons, that was stolen wholesale. I've certainly heard a very similar line from an eighties Goth band - I think the song was "Prime Mover" or something. And rather good it was too, taken in context. If you don't believe this line falls into either of the above categories, I still have the catch-all: Gary doesn't actually think much about what he writes. By his own admission, he has often written down lines that 'sound good', and put them together to make a song. It's hardly poetry, and if you look at Gary's over-use of certain words that he thinks just 'sound good' - ie skin, disease, heart, cold, boys and, yes, bitch - you can see that it's almost as if he likes the sound of the words, rather than thinking very deeply about the message that they convey. 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