Gary Numan Digest Thu, 2 Dec 99 Volume 1 : Issue 595 Today's Topics: Administrivia (no subject) Babs, Regis, Gary and vehicles BART/D'OH!/etc. Ben Said Gary Numan Digest V1 #594 (3 msgs) Happy Winter Solstice How to Give a Cat a Colonic Introduction No-ones complaining Not Afraid Of The Big Bad Fear Factory Shepherds Bush & The Whingers sorriez thank YOU for whinger definition Tom Binns Various stuff Wonga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 06:48:26 -0600 From: datta@cs.uwp.edu (David Datta) Subject: Administrivia To: numan Due to the screwed up mailer that messed up digest 595 and the un-named person who stupidly e-mailed an application to the digest, I haved removed all the bad messages and I am running this new version of #595. Sorry for the mess. -Dave datta@cs.uwp.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:45:01 +0000 From: craigforrester Subject: (no subject) To: numan@cs.uwp.edu subscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:59:41 -0000 From: rawebley Subject: To: "'numan@cs.uwp.edu'" Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy of the video Newman Numan - and if so - how much? From: rawebley@kbacompsys.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:31:31 -0800 From: awa Subject: Babs, Regis, Gary and vehicles To: numan@cs.uwp.edu > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 05:30:23 -0500 > From: Cary Wiltz > Subject: Am I alone? > To: NUMAN@cs.uwp.edu > > Happy Holidays! Here is an off the wall question: > Are there any Numan fans that might be going to see Babs in Vegas at the > end of the year? I'll be there and would love to toast the millennium with > a fan or too. > Also, in the last digest Alec, you had mentioned the sound and lighting of > the Regis Philbin show as having a Numanesque quality and I agree with you > when thinking about it but would never have thought of Numan when viewing > the program. There's a Numan fan who's also a fan of Babs?! Wow, now that is interesting. I overheard three guys, one leather-clad and one in a ship's captain's hat, on BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit, not the Dublin BART) discussing the New Year's Eve event in Vegas with Babs. One of the guys said something like, "And, ohmygod, she's specified in her contract that she needs a golf cart to take her from the hotel to the stage!" It seemed so "Numan" an idea (if he decided to trade new dreams for old). That got me thinking of the Teletour with the mini SciFi car. So, there you have it: another link between Babs and Gary Numan! Gary should update the car idea and appear on stage in some sort of floating way, maybe beaming down. I'd like to see some videogame-type interaction with robots again. Gary in a Virtual way, would be nice too. I'd like to see some Virtch worked into a Numan live show, some props 'n theatrics, like on Principle and Tele. Or should only Michael Jackson be allowed to do this sort of thing anymore? Peter Gabriel, what's going on? Well, Mike the Chickenhawk Jackson, he's got a few more gold coins than Gary, that's true. As far as Reege goes, when I do actually watch TV, I seem to be wanting more and more to look at it in terms of whether it's Numan or not. So far, only very recent car commercials, perfume commercials and Who Wants to be a Millionaire look even remotely SciFi in the Numan sort of standard. That Giger-esque thing in the lighting, overall colors, sound, sexuality, etc. Everything else on teev looks like Golden Grahams commercials, all browny-goldish, honeytoned and cloying. Besides that, there seems to be an icky phlegm filter on the rest of it like in that Robin Williams movie "Flubber". Oh, well. G'day, Way ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:52:36 -0700 From: Riana Pfefferkorn Subject: BART/D'OH!/etc. To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) Greetings from Onion Country! I think that Digest gets the award for Most D'OH-Worthy Digest Ever. And probably Longest too. Egads. I think I prefer the ones that are three terse messages long. Anyway, Alec Way wrote: >I overheard three guys, one leather-clad and one in a ship's captain's >hat, on BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit, not the Dublin BART) Except that BART does go to Dublin. Smartass mode off. Item: From: "The Painted One" To: News:uk.people.gothic Subject: RE: Mission/All About Eve/Crazyhead gig Marc Elston wrote in message <383bba19_2@einstien.netscapeonline.co.uk>... >> The Mission were good, but not as good as I'd expected. >> >Best appreciated from the front ! > A friend of mine went and accidently blagged her way into the VIP area and ended up sharing a splif with Gary Numan. TPO ******* Interesting. Perhaps not true, but interesting. (And that's why we spread rumors - nobody wants to hear something boring, be it true or false. And for those who care, All About Eve were reportedly very good, too.) Spliff or no, sounds like Gary finally returned Wayne Hussey's serve (from the L.A. concert). Although he'd probably have gone anyway, given his liking for the Mish...and that he no doubt needs a night out sometimes. Consider: If you're tired of hearing the same old Numan songs at concerts and wish he'd play something new, think of it this way: You could be him, working on new material for probably 14 hours a day or some atrocious number like that, and be going absolutely barking mad from having to listen to the same new songs over and over and over again as you make minute changes to them...and you never liked them to begin with. We'll be glad when the new album comes out because we're always hungry for more. Gary will be glad when the new album comes out because it means he's fucking finished with it at last... or so it would seem. Because that's when he starts rehearsing the new stuff for the live shows. I think Edward Gorey's story "The Unstrung Harp" probably illustrates this situation well. Nope, it's not easy being an artistic genius. :) Thought: Jason Smith gets to have both experiences, of the fan and of the Man. I do not envy him this. Just trying to add a little perspective... remember, everyone involved in the Numan scene has something to piss and moan about. That's life. But we can console ourselves with the fact that at least it's a REALLY GREAT musician we're following here, not somebody crap. I won't name names because I might never stop. ;) What's so funny 'bout peace, love, and understanding? Riana Because being in college gives me license to post pompous, lecturing messages such as this. Wanna hear me relate St. Augustine's _Confessions_ to the Exile album? *~*~*~*~*~*~* Riana Pfefferkorn riana@garynumanfan.nu http://scary.garynumanfan.nu Death Goes To The Disco "Some believe in eating anything, while the weak eat only vegetables." --Romans 14:2 *~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:21:49 -0400 From: Michael Tressler Subject: Ben Said To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Ben said (Digest 590, i'm always a little behind): "We don't care if you're Almighty God Himself, supreme ruler of the universe, creator of heaven and earth; if you come down here, acting all big and bad, trying to tell us what to do... we'll kill you. We'll nail you to a cross." Ah, anti-theism. It's fun to hate Christians and people who believe in love and forgiveness of their fellow man. I'll spare everyone a lengthy reply, and BITCH at Ben in private. Mike T. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:57:38 -0700 From: Pat Weber Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #594 To: Gary Numan > From: "Jim Benson, AICP" > Subject: Attitude > Since the 70s and 80s, I have left the gulag of the plains and have found > lots of people who "don't care." Like Pat Weber. And for a while I thought > "don't care" meant that they were open to or tolerant of anything. But in > general it does not, it means, "it bothers me to think about such things so > I'd rather not consider it." Sort of the don't-ask-don't-tell approach to > thinking. I tend to agree; however, life has taught me to be *extremely* tolerant. There are few things I am intolerant of and one of those is intolerance. I'm normally very open to just about anything so long as it's not hurting anyone. (Folks, Joey comes to mind, would probably call me a "screaming liberal.") Life has had the very nasty tendency to, when I'm intolerant, throw me right smack dab in that person's shoes, and I find out what it's like. And I inevitably readjust my attitude. Life's been real good about teaching me what matters and what doesn't. When I said "Geez. I just don't get it -- nor do I want to." I was talking about the attitude necessary to be so involved with what others think that it rules your life, what you listen to, what you view, how you think, etc. I don't care what sexual orientation someone is, what color their skin is, how tall or short or thin or fat or anything of that outside bullshit. All that stuff does is make the landscape interesting. What that person *is*: *that's* the important shit. And *that's* the stuff I care about. Because of this, I have some really interesting folks in my life. This "tolerance" is what keeps me a Digest-lurker for the most part. We're all entitled to our opinions. It's when those opnions start causing hurt that I tend to pop out and stick my nose in. > So ... to make things easier for you all: > > 1. Gary is neither gay nor straight > 2. Gary is neither christian nor not-christian > 3. Gary is neither your property nor a totally autonomous unit > 4. Gary is neither man nor machine > 5. Gary is neither god nor satan > 6. Gary is neither dominant nor submissive > 7. Gary is neither a submarine nor Madonna > 8. Gary is neither a ham sandwich nor well lubricated butt plug and that's beautiful -- I love it. Couldn't've said it better myself! > From: "Joey Lindstrom" > Subject: My latest ranting - what, no flames? > First off, even though NOBODY has complained (heh heh!), I'd like to > apologize for the tone of that rant. It was, just a wee bit, over the > edge. My explanation is this: I've had a rip-snortin' piss-off over > this whole issue building up inside me for quite some time, and after > Gary posted his comments on NuWorld, it all came rushing out. Yer bein a little hard on yerself, Joey. Sometimes it just needs to be said. > Jon, it seems to me that your "negative review" came out at exactly the > WRONG time, through NO FAULT OF YOUR OWN. I have myself publicly > posted a few critical things about Gary - don't get me started on the > sound quality of the Vancouver gig in 1998. :-) But understand this: > in the overall scheme of things, YOU AND I ARE NOT THE WHINGERS BEING > REFERRED TO HERE. As you've pointed out, you've been generally VERY > positive about Gary and have done way, way more to help PROMOTE the man > than most of his fans. So don't be ashamed about the review you posted > - at worst, you should feel a tad sheepish about the timing, that's > all. :-) (And it's not like you had any idea that THIS would be the > time Gary'd choose to blow his stack). Also to Jon: *We* know who the "whingers" are. > If, for you, the magic is gone, then I suggest (if you have any respect > left for Gary and/or his fans) you have two choices: > > 1) Find a way to rediscover it, or > 2) Remove yourself from the whole scene Fersher. If you don't like it, why oh why do you continue to subject yourself to it? > Pat Weber says: > > >WHAT THE HELL does it matter what Gary's sexual orientation is? If > >someone produces music you like, does that mean that person's sexual > >orientation would immediately and irrevocably determine YOURS? It must, > >else why should you CARE? > > I know I'm gonna surprise you here, but ol' conservative > Limbaugh-loving Joey agrees with ya 100%. :-) Might have something to do with good ole "common sense?" > I stopped listening to Melissa Etheridge after she finally publicly > acknowledged that she was a lesbian. Not because of that admission, > but because her music got boring. :-) I'd known she was a lesbian for > years prior to this (it was "common knowledge"), yet I've got her first > four or five albums and still listen to them frequently. That woman > can *SING*. Same with k. d. lang, although I don't have any of her > albums... I've never understood the "it's chic to be gay" thing, either, which (if memory serves me correctly) that period was when Etheridge "came out," along with DeGeneris, et al. Do folks not *know* that homosexuality has been around since critters of two genders walked this earth? (Disclaimer: Demanding your rights as a human being should have nothing to do with the "chicness" of your sexual orientation. You're human or you're not.) > That's a big part of this problem - he *DOES* listen. And people seem > to feel free to say, on the internet, things they would *NEVER* say to > the man face-to-face - terrible, nasty, hurtful things. Listen folks: > if you wouldn't say it to his face, zip your freakin' lip, ok? Oh, bravo! > > Mike Damrath says: > > >A thousand miles away and pissed, Was Mike's rant wunnerful, or what? Conservative or not, Joey, yer heart's in a good place, and that's why I love ya! Perhaps I'll be back to lurking. . . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:17:58 EST From: Neffuri@aol.com Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #594 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello first of all of the subject I would like to say I saw SLEEPY HOLLOW last night and it was EXCELLENT, the mood and ambience was so numanesque I expected Gary to step from behind a tree any second and start singing, "I die You Die" . Since I am only a brown belt in the world of Numan Fans, I know there is some wise Black Belt Warrior or Dogo that can answer my question hopefully in their infinate wisdom on the master, How many videos has the master done in all? I know about "Cars" and the new version of it, but how many others have had his beautiful visage displayed for all to see?giggles and grins Thanks Kimberly Acacia Lynn Cole ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 00:03:11 EST From: Numanfan1@aol.com Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #594 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Well, enough chatter about the Manchester show! It would seem to me that the short amount of playing Gary will be doing in the next several months that one would be happy to see him live! It aches me, being in "Outland" (America), that I do not have the same opportunity to go to these shows, let alone complain about it them? I think those that did complain about these shows went without their Numan Soul. It is this "Soul" that keeps me completely satisfied when I listen to him. My "Soul" is lifted when I see him LIVE! I have listened to many bands out there and for some unknown, but beautiful reason, I still feel great inside when I listen to his music. No other artist (s) even come close to this eternal feeling. I have seen him about 20-30 times live and each one, even on his bad nights, still makes that "Soul" sing. It always will...... Indebted to knowing Numan, NuRuss ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 15:51:01 -0600 From: Valerie Iglar-Mobley Subject: Happy Winter Solstice To: The Gary Digest , BoysLikeUs@onelist.com Dear numanoids all, The holiday season is upon us, and I'm feeling full of love and gratitude for my virtual-family of numanoids. I want to express that feeling in just a small way. I have a copy of the 12" single, "Radio Heart," that I'm willing to send to somebody, for free. This has to be my favorite of the Nicholson collaborations. It has the regular and the extended versions, and a beautiful instrumental b-side by Gary, "Mistasax Version 2." That b- appeared on the Babylon series, but hasn't been issued on any of the re-releases, or even on any Receiver. (I should mention that the record doesn't have the cover art; in all my searchings through used vinyl shops, I've never seen it with the original cover.) Just send me an e-mail with your postal address, and maybe a bit of information about your Gary collection and what the music means to you. [I'm just feeling I should send this to a deserving person, not someone who plans on turning around and selling it on eBay.] If anyone else wants to join in this spirit, it could be a way for us to show our support for each other, and maybe take a little step back from commercialism and capitalism. lots of love to all, Ben Iglar-Mobley http://home.earthlink.net/~iglarmobley (proud member of the Boys Like Us) * * * "And our dreams are real And dreams are all you need" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 02:55:04 -0600 From: Valerie Iglar-Mobley Subject: How to Give a Cat a Colonic To: Jon Garland , Nick & Fiona , > After much thought, I've come up with a shortlist of likely candidates: > > i) Westlife > ii) Boyzone > iii) TV Funnyman Michael Barrymore > iv) Joanne Guest > v) Doncaster Rovers FC > > Any suggestions as to which I should pick will be gratefully received. Dear Jon, ana, You are kidding, aren't you? Asking us who you should be a fan of? I would think it should be patently obvious anyone should choose to be a fan of someone based only on her or his admiration of that artist's art. The point for us to remember about Gary's message is that he is a human being, and when we're critical of him he can be hurt. Particularly by our criticism, since he really does pay attention to what we fans think and feel and say... now that the critics and the stations have given up on him and we're his only family. Let's be careful about being critical of the man. And if we're not, we shouldn't be too surprised if he goes off on us in response. > No doubt the budding psychologists on the digest can confirm that > something happens to one's pleasure senses if over-used...something > like eating your fave food every day soon leaves you relegating it from > fave status. The odd bit of new spice is required every now and then. Nicki, as a former budding psychologist, I can tell you nothing at all happens to the pleasure center when it's over-used. The experiments with rats had those little rodents pressing their pleasure buttons over and over again, even if it meant dying of starvation. The whingers aren't suffering from pleasure-overload. It's the opposite. They don't find pleasure in it any more. Odd, though, that we can all still listen to our old favorite albums by Gary, over and over, sounding exactly the same each time (now that we've all upgraded everything to cd) and still find great pleasure in them... but we can't find that same pleasure in the concerts. love, Benjamin Iglar-Mobley http://home.earthlink.net/~iglarmobley P.S. Alec, I'm guessing a whinger is a typo for "whiner." P.P.S. Simon, just don't execute any suspicious attached files. * * * "Please don't feel scared Nothing's ever quite what it seems I hope the sadness doesn't show For I still cling to some old dreams" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:18:08 -0000 From: Mike Gurner Subject: Introduction To: "'numan@cs.uwp.edu'" Hi, I'm The Iceman (that's for all of you who frequent the AFE Bulletin Board) I've been listening to Gary for 20 years (since I was 10) and have been attending gigs since 1985. My favourite artists other than Mr Numan are (in no particular order), David Bowie, The Cure, The Divine Comedy, Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk and The Style Council. I have a collection of synths at home (although none of them are 'classics') which include a DX7, a DX21, an Octave Kitten and 4 (yes four) Casio VL-1s. I can play them but I'm not much of an expert. I also play Guitar and Bass, but again, it's just a hobby. I've played keyboards in a number of bands, all of which were indie type things, the most notable being The Ian Frenzy, Deep Joy and County. That's all I can think of for now. Glad to be on board. The Iceman ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:19:51 -0000 From: "Valerium" Subject: No-ones complaining To: Dear dear Joey, The reason no-one flamed your "just a wee bit over the edge" ranting is cos its old news, its what you do, same ol same ol etc etc etc. No-one gives a toss. Did you reply to the kind emails you received. My memory serves me well that its only the "bad" ones you reply to. P.S. Any chance you could keep your inevitable reply to under 10,000 words? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 13:10:23 MSK From: "The Tik-Tok Man" Subject: Not Afraid Of The Big Bad Fear Factory To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hey Noomunoidz, Finally got the Fear Factory's Obsolete album and Cars CD single in my clammy paws; had to pressure a friend from NewYork to bring it over with him recently. Thanks Jonas. His girlfriend Lara is a Numan fan so, like, he had no choice but to do my bidding. Interesting mix variations on both versions, and quite faithful to the original sound. But I have to say, and this MAY be my age showing, that the rest of the album is noisy thrash metal shite. And I did so want to like it. But I still haven't seen the video, even after continous scanning of VH-1 (London) MTV Russia and various Russian music video shows. Does any Numanoid out there in the civilised world have a PAL VHS copy they could share with me? Or is it possible to buy this damn thang on that there Internet? Dear Santa ... Anyway, let's get something new to chew over in the Digest huh? It's been awfully DULL and LACK-LUSTRE for ages ... Over and out to lunch, TikTokMan Freezing his butt off in Moscow Beware the MilLENINium Bug! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:32:04 -0000 From: thoutby@fusiongroup.co.uk (Tim Houtby) Subject: Shepherds Bush & The Whingers To: "'Numan Digest'" Here's a quick tip to all the "Whingers": Have a good Christmas, smile, enjoy life, buy your ticket for April, and feel lucky and maybe grateful that you've got another chance to see the man. After all, you don't know how many more chances you'll get. Try to enjoy it......... One other thing - Why do people still keep harping on with sexuality questions? I thought that stopped back in the eighties. Smile and be happy! Tim. ________________________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Star Screening System http://academy.star.co.uk/public/virustats.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:05:22 -0800 From: awa Subject: sorriez To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Ahem.........First off all, let me apologize for the post re:- a tape is a circle but who really cares? I attacked someone only because I wanted to match something to the subject: a tape is a circle, etc. Secondly, Joey Lindstrom, sorry for mis-spelling your last name. I know what a drag that is. (I'm still getting catalogs from Guitar Center for someone named "Aloe Wag" and a second copy for an "Alice Wax") I confess to being a little enhanced that day. A.Way ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:37:01 -0800 From: awa Subject: thank YOU for whinger definition To: numan@cs.uwp.edu >you,my friend,on the strength of that post can be >described as a "arsehole".What right do you think you have to cast >dispersions on other people such as 'stop buying booze and porno so you >can >afford a cd player'?If someone wants tapes,let them have tapes!!!!Not >all of >us are"Daddy's boy's"with endless pockets full of cash to spend this ARSEHOLE sure wishes he had pockets full of Daddy's cash to spend on big luxury produts (like a new CD player). this ARSEHOLE wasn't serious when he suggested other formats to look into besides k-sets. Does Gary release stuff in cassette form anymore? --ARSEHOLE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 09:39:41 -0500 From: Matthew Roberts Subject: Tom Binns To: Gary Numan Saw Gary at the recording for "Tom Binns' Munchies" last Thursday. The format of the show was a bit disappointing. Just a glorified chat show, b= ut anyway.... Gary just played one song - Friends. Shame that it wasn't something new, but at least it wasn't you know what. I still believe the show is being broadcast on Thursday 2nd. Yes it is (I just checked the listings). Chann= el 5, 11.50 PM. Set your videos. Matthew Roberts ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:45:01 +0000 From: Philip Lindsay Subject: Various stuff To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Looks like I picked a bad time to express reservations, huh? Then my server packed in and I missed all the backlash in Digest #593 (could anyone mail me it? I,d be grateful). Suffice to say I feel there are a few points I,d like to reply to, if only to try to distinguish myself from what so many of you have called +whingers,. Joey Lindstrom: <> I certainly don,t want him to pack it in, not ever, but I thought we were allowed an opinion. If you don,t like the tone of a post you don,t have to read it. I posted here because it's a forum about Gary Numan. I could tell my friends "I'm having some doubts about what Gary's doing at the moment.". They would say "We're sorry, we don't give a damn, and we never liked him anyway.". I was wondering, does anyone feel the same as me, amoungst a group that has a common interest? It seems there is no discussion, only opinion. <> There was nothing in my post that I wouldn,t say to him face-to-face. Assuming I could say anything that made sense :-) <> I hope you,ll let me out this category too(.. I desperately want to see him fulfill his promise, but I'm just not sure I can see it happening at the moment. Darren: <> I know how lucky I am ) for years living in Northern Ireland I never had the chance to see Gary live. Now I do, and have done for the last 9-10 years. But I,m not going to apologise for my good fortune. I appreciate your problem, but just because someone can,t see him doesn,t make me honour bound to enjoy myself or keep quiet if I didn,t. Sorry. Also bear in mind that from the sounds of things, there will be a bigger international tour with the new album, almost certainly including the US, currently not including the UK. That annoys me, because there,ll be new material and probably a whole new setlist, and I,ll miss it. But that,s life, what goes around, comes around. I hope you enjoy it. Matthew Roberts: <> I,m really trying, honest, and Gary Numan and his music is one of those things. I,ve supported him (not since the start, in fact, only since Exhibition came out, and I heard Cars for the first time) by purchasing virtually everything he has released ever, vinyl and CD. I AM A FAN. Someone defined a fan as &an ardent devotee: an enthusiast8. I don,t see &unquestioning8 as part of that definition. NickiNu says: <> Thanks. I honestly didn,t want to feel like going home you know. Mike Damrath: <> Thanks for the advice, I just might do that. Gary went through a phase of not playing Cars and the like a while back, and I thought the whole atmosphere was much fresher. You have to take into account what Gary is doing these gigs for. He said (I think) they were to satisfy the demands of the fans while he was writing the new album, and also because the UK wasn,t going to be included in the next tour. These are not gigs to gain new support, and therefore there is no need to slavishly play the hits. (and if they were to gain new support, then a little publicity wouldn't go amiss - if I didn't check NuWorld regularly I'd never have know it was on) On the other hand, I still really like the songs, my problem was with my reaction to them. I don,t want to feel bored! But when I,m eagerly listening to the intro to a song, wondering if it,s going to be one I haven,t heard in a while, and it turns into DITP, I felt disappointed. I waited for it to be over so that maybe another one would make me feel different. It didn't happen, except once or twice, so I left. Just because you consider Gary to be a genius, does not mean that he is perfect. I may not be a genius, but that doesn't make my opinion less valid than yours. Tom Gorham: <> A very good point. I had a spare ticket to sell outside. In the past I have sold spares to the touts for at least the face value. That night they were offering 3 pounds for the ticket. That,s how much they were worth that night. I kept the ticket to put on the wall at home. If there had been someone, &a new fan8, that I could have given it to for nothing, I would have. There was no-one there to give it to. Something else I feel needs to be said: There seems to bee a need to protect Gary from negative opinion. It,s a laudable thing to do, but it,s part of being a Star. People say bad, hurtful things. And people in Gary, s position have to deal with it in whatever way they can. His outburst on the website was one of his ways. This is the downside to selling hundreds of thousands of records, becoming a millionaire, and fulfilling many of his dreams. We know that Gary has never been good at dealing with criticism from anywhere, I think it,s one of his failings ) but that doesn,t make it our job to protect him. He,s a big boy. It,s just a problem that the internet provides such a simple way of everyone expressing all their opinions directly, rather than there being a buffer between fan and artist, as there was before. Again it doesn,t help that Gary insists on being the one to run NuWorld personally, rather than getting someone else to do it for him, while he concentrates on the music, which after all is the important thing. Just to end, I,m really glad that everyone had such a cool time at the gig, and I,m sorry I didn,t. I don,t expect the digest to be a sea of criticism, but surely we shouldn,t jump down the throat of anyone who doesn,t toe the party line? I,m here because I want to discuss Numan, not just agree on how great he is. What would be the point of that? All the best, Phil. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:23:45 +1100 From: "David P Banks" Subject: Wonga To: "Gary Numan" Andy X asked, Urm, what is a wonga ??? I think we should use it more often !! Andy, A wonga is an Australian native pigeon. Now we can all sleep at night with this knowledge!!! ******************************************** David P. Banks Editor "Australian Orchid Review" & "The Orchadian". 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