Gary Numan Digest Thu, 9 Dec 99 Volume 1 : Issue 597 Today's Topics: Absolutely Kewl.... (was This Is Absolute) clubbin in pittsburgh Does this mean Gary wouldn't want us to link to CDnow? Gary Numan Digest V1 #596 (3 msgs) Gary on Channel 5 hehehehe Joey Jo Guest MP3s on the Usenet New concert date announced, plus, Christianity and forgiveness being mutually exclusive concepts Non-Gary Numan Online GN discography Quick to judge, quick to anger re. complaints about numan criticizm. Robert Heinlein Videos Whingers,etc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 16:10:08 -0500 From: dagonet@netwide.net (Don McCrum) Subject: Absolutely Kewl.... (was This Is Absolute) To: Gary Numan Steve Perryman donned his sarcasmo hat, and made me smile. > So, Gary hasn't released anything new lately, and isn't likely to > for a long while. Damn. I was hoping for a remix of the Babylon 5 soundtrack.... > And we're not to talk about the Manchester gig unless we say it > was good. > Hmmm.... Er... Um... That's not "good" -- that's non-judgemental, so you can't say it. Nyah! >Anyway, based on insider knowledge, here's the full rundown for > the "Tom Binns Munchies" show. > 1. Gary will not turn up wearing dayglo pink dungarees. With > matching earrings. You mean they'll be red? > 2. Gary will not vow to eat all his remaining fans whilst being > interviewed. That's good: most of us are rather gamey.... (Or is that homely -- I forgot.) > 3. Steven Wells of the NME will not join Gary onstage and they > will not do a duet of "Absolution" ... and they will not gaze > lovingly into each others eyes whilst singing the song. Absolutely. > 4. Celine Dion won't be playing bass and she will not be bizarrely > electrocuted during the first chorus. Good! (And Damn!) > 5. Gary will not throw up at the end of "Friends" and he most > definitely will not smear vomit over the lens of the nearest camera. He won't take his recycling of classics to that level. (Lunch could have been a classic.) > 6. Gary will not announce that the new album was in fact finished > 6 months ago and that it'll be out on Monday so we can have something > remotely interesting (and sane) to talk about. I'm not insane.... Kid Rock is insane. I'm inane. Or something like that.... Trying For Life, Usually Succeeding, (at least in sarcasm, nope) D * * * Why give it a name? I'm a Godless Priest, proudly muckraking all souls. http://www.netwide.net/users/dagonet/ P.S. in case you didn't catch the tone, I was merely keeping a sense of humor around here. (Sometimes, it is a challenge -- hats off to Steve for keeping it up -- the humor, you pervs....) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 13:52:10 EST From: "jon glass" Subject: clubbin in pittsburgh To: numan@cs.uwp.edu im happy, the gothy club i go to in pittsburgh finally played a numan sog other than 'are friends electric'. they played we take maystery to bed! needless to say i hurt myself. hehehehe thats all i gotta say. jon btw: does anyone know if numan was on saturday night live, if so what year & what songs? i gotta track it down. did anyone catch beck last night on snl? hes so awesome! ok, im leaving now. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 15:17:42 -0600 From: Valerie Iglar-Mobley Subject: Does this mean Gary wouldn't want us to link to CDnow? To: The Gary Digest Dear Numanoids, I was just surfing around and I noticed CDnow is listing individual tracks for downloading, at a buck a pop. They have 64 listed, with a heavy emphasis on 'Telekon' and 'Live At The Roxy' tracks, by the look of them. If you want to check them out, they're at: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1185513859/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/discography.html/ArtistID=NUMAN*GARY Anyone want to take a chance on the track they've listed as "Living Ornaments" and see what comes out? ["Download the entire set of live albums that are under the title, 'Living Ornaments'-- all for only one buck!"] Personally, I prefer to have my music in a format I can play on my stereo. Now, if they listed those same tracks in their "build-your-own- cd" department, THEN I'd bite, just to be able to put together a custom Gary disc! Oh, they've also got the 'New Dreams For Old' record listed. Just thought I'd pass it along. love and downloads, Benjamin Iglar-Mobley http://home.earthlink.net/~iglarmobley (proud member of the Boys Like Us) * * * "In telephones they scream" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 10:45:57 EST From: JColl81871@aol.com Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #596 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello Fellow Numan Fans, Here are a couple important updates for those individuals who are interested in The Church Of Gary Numan: A Dark Celebration. I have completed 8 songs which are now going into production for a CD that will be sent to Gary himself for consent to release along with (hopefully) his blessings. The tracks are as follows: 1. Jo The Waiter 2. Down In The Park 3. Cars 4. A Question Of Faith 5. You Are In My Vision 6. Cars (Fusion Jazz Instrumental) 7. Stories 8. Dominion Day I am very happy how the songs have evolved and continue to work on the next few songs that will be added to the tribute. In fact, I hope to have a song or two from Telekon, Berserker, and I, Assassin. Production begins Monday, December 6 and will hopefully be finished by week's end - and then sent to Gary. That is one update. Check out Jim Napier's web site The North American Gary Numan Fan Club for more information and a few demo downloads. The other update concerns the bands that have sent me their covers. Everything sounds great. I will definitely be contacting each one of you to work things out after the new year. There is a great deal of talent out there and a multi-fan based tribute to Numan's work is fantastic way to work together, share the music, and show appreciation for the man's work. I don't know about most people who buy other people's music, but this would be a great show of support for Numan fans all over the planet. No one is in it for the money. Just the fun of it all. Please feel free contact me if you have cover versions ready or in the making. You can send it all to Jim Collins, P.O. Box 5158, Poland, Ohio, 44514, USA. Thanks and so long for now. Jim Collins ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 08:49:47 +1100 From: "Martin Purvis" Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #596 To: "Gary Numan" Joey Lindstrom wrote : > ROFLMAO! Yeah, along the way I've picked up a lot of junk mail for > "Joy Lindstorm" and "Jo Lindstum". I've received computerised junk mail addressed to "Martian Purvis" and "Martin Pelvis". If I ever receive junk mail addressed to "Martian Pelvis" I will open it and buy the product. Steve Perryman wrote : > 4. Celine Dion won't be playing bass and she will not be bizarrely > electrocuted during the first chorus. Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:36:18 -0000 From: "Tracy Joyner" Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #596 To: "Gary Numan" Hi T.J. here I have just joined the Digest so if any one wants to say hello you can at this e-mail or Ladydeath24@hotmail.com I Have been a fan for only 6 years now but there is only one thing i can say Gary your cool man! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 14:38:14 +0000 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Gary on Channel 5 To: Gary Numan Well, Allan saw Gary's performance as boring. I saw it as **REALLY** nervous. The M.C. had just gone and made a fool of himself, and spoilt his own joke by making a joke out of Gary Glitter, but saying "Gary Numan" instead. Before that, the M.C. (Tim Binns) had shown a tendency to waffle on and ask bizarre questions of the previous chap (Forgive me, I have a VERY good reason for not catching his name!). I was SURE that Gary was scared stiff of having stupid questions which he couldn't handle. He did handle them, but not with the panache we have seen on some other interviews in the last couple of years. He should have had Gemma with him. And where was Dave Brooker? Paddy Vickers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:20:25 -0000 From: "Valerium" Subject: hehehehe Joey To: Ah Joey, always good for a laugh. A couple of points to clear up. Firstly, you are not the reason Gary "exploded" all over his website . Don't flatter yerself mate. (P.S. Call that an explosion. More like a whimper!) Secondly, you may recall that my initial email was in fact to wish you well in your move and to hope that you got you network challenges sorted after I saved you some 600 bucks as you were seemingly about to spend a huge amount of your cash on an overpriced switch. Your busy mailbox is unlikely to be overflowing with my missives due to your incredulous archiving system however, you may recall that you started the shit with that wondrous egotistical reply (Or was that me misconstruing?) When I stated people do not give a toss, it was not the topic to which I was referring but to you inane ramblings. Apologies for lack of clarity. (Or was that you misconstruing?) Thirdly, I care not a jot what GN thinks of me. Not interested in the slightest. I would love to see him try to pound my face. Now that would be fun. He better bring some friends. Fourthly (Is that a word?), I post negative reviews when negative reviews require to be posted. Never ANON always up front. If I was always ANON then this would be. Facts wrong again Joey (Someone pick me up.) I also post positive reviews, the most recent being from the SB show Sept 1998, and many many others. Rob may indeed still have that review in the tours section. Hey go look. Is it ANON? No its me. Shock horror. Someone might find me out. Shit I ain't scared of no-one and ain't interested if I piss anyone off. Life is too short to sit on the fence. I have been here since the beginning. I am entitled to state my view positive and negative, even if I had not been. So you see I ain't one of the same ol whingers. In fact I have been praising GN for 19 years and "whinging" for the last three gigs. Not a bad proportion I fear. Gary Numan despises me. Chew on that. Sorry, but I have more important things to do, like go clear up the dog shit again. Ok Coming dear! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:21:28 +0100 (BST) From: "Jon Garland" Subject: Jo Guest To: numan@cs.uwp.edu >Dear Jon, >You are kidding, aren't you? Asking us who you should be a fan of? >I would think it should be patently obvious anyone should choose to be a >fan of someone based only on her or his admiration of that artist's art. Doh! Course I was kidding. I was just 'having a laugh', trying to lighten the tone a bit of what had seemingly become a rather heated and quite nasty (from some quarters) debate. Mind you, thanks to all those that voted in my 'poll'. If I was going to give up being a fan of Gary (which I'm not), then Jo Guest was the most popular choice for me to be a fan of. Marvellous. Excellent. Well voted, people! Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 22:24:10 PST From: "Dalis Car" Subject: MP3s on the Usenet To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Gary would be thrilled to know that someone posted the full Exile album in MP3 format on the usenet. You can find it for yourself at alt.binaries.sounds.1990s at least I believe that was the one. If anyone is really interested I can look it up again. Before you yell at me.. I already bought the album so I didn't download it. I just downloaded all the other MP3s because most albums only have a few good songs on 'em, the rest is usually shit. Matter of fact I believe the last album I bought was Exile. I have to admit though, I now believe all music should be free. I'm sick of the attitude that "I got into music to get rich and get chicks". If that's the case these people should become real estate agents or lawyers. Keep music free. Now somebody else's fan. CC P.S. This is for you Tinkie Winkie (sp?). I always new those Tele Tubbies where rat bastards. "I'm the fire starter the twisted fire starter." Prodigy "Move upside, let the man go through." Soul Coughing "If I was ten years younger I'd take a flame thrower to this place!" Al Pacino Scent of a Women ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:45:22 -0000 From: "Charles Kennedy" Subject: New concert date announced, plus, Christianity and forgiveness being mutually exclusive concepts To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings fellow Numanoids. Better book up now for the April 15th gig. = By the way, it is the 88th anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic. = Maybe Gaz'll play "My Love Is A Liquid" or something. "Ah, anti-theism. It's fun to hate Christians and people who believe in = love and forgiveness of their fellow man." Is this a joke?? I have never = met a Christian who believed in love or forgiveness of their fellow man. = They are all very judgemental, small-minded fascists. Power to Gaz for = having a go. Hee hee, as well as the genuine and completely right-on = anti-Christian elements of 'Sacrifice' and 'Exile', I'm sure there was = also a wind-up element. In an interview after the recent US tour, I'm = sure I sensed a note of disappointment in his voice when he said that = they made it through the Bible Belt without a single protest. I think he = wanted gigs blockaded by hundreds of irate god-botherers. Actually, the = Sacrifice tour was supposed to start with The Man being raised aloft on = a cross...loved to have seen that. I guess financial good sense and = taste prevailed in the end, and we got a crappy backdrop instead. See ya! Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings fellow Numanoids. Better book = up now for=20 the April 15th gig. By the way, it is the 88th anniversary of the = sinking of the=20 Titanic. Maybe Gaz'll play "My Love Is A Liquid" or=20 something. "Ah, anti-theism. It's fun to hate = Christians=20 and people who believe in love and forgiveness of their fellow=20 man." Is this a joke?? I have = never met a=20 Christian who believed in love or forgiveness of their fellow man. They = are all=20 very judgemental, small-minded fascists. Power to Gaz for having a go. = Hee hee,=20 as well as the genuine and completely right-on anti-Christian elements = of=20 'Sacrifice' and 'Exile', I'm sure there was also a wind-up element. In = an=20 interview after the recent US tour, I'm sure I sensed a note of = disappointment=20 in his voice when he said that they made it through the Bible Belt = without a=20 single protest. I think he wanted gigs blockaded by hundreds of irate=20 god-botherers. Actually, the Sacrifice tour was supposed to start with = The Man=20 being raised aloft on a cross...loved to have seen that. I guess = financial good=20 sense and taste prevailed in the end, and we got a crappy backdrop=20 instead. See ya! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 09:08:12 -0800 From: awa Subject: Non-Gary Numan To: numan@cs.uwp.edu In Gary Numan Digest Thu, 2 Dec 99 Volume 1 : Issue 595 Riana Pfefferkorn wrote: > Anyway, Alec Way wrote: >> I overheard three guys, one leather-clad and one in a ship's captain's >> hat, on BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit, not the Dublin BART) > Except that BART does go to Dublin. Smartass mode off. Hey, that was clever. Liked it. I tried to clarify, though, because I've gotten misunderstood before with that one here in the international realm of the World Wide Web. She also wrote, when referring to the lengths of Digests (!): > I think I prefer the ones that are three terse > messages long. I prefer the long-winded ones. Though, what's up with people posting entire Digests? --Alec "Weaker'n Heyo From Eating ONLY Vegetables" Wogga ("Some creatures eat anything and everything and others use the powers of discrimination before they start to thinking about shoveling it on in."--Alec Wogga) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 10:15:43 -0600 From: Jeff Tolva Subject: Online GN discography To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello all, I just wanted to let everyone know that one of the most (if not THE most) comprehensive online Gary Numan discographies has been updated following the recent Manchester gig in November. The "compleat discography" can be viewed both through The World Wide Webb as well as The Gary Numan Fan Server. If you have any updates or corrections to any items in the online discography, please feel free to send them onto me and I'll put them in the following revision. Jeff Tolva (The Machman) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 13:31:46 -0500 From: "Troy L. Walters" Subject: Quick to judge, quick to anger To: The Gary Numan Digest Hello all... < Please notice that the fasten seat belts and no smoking signs have been lit. Please return your trays and seat backs to the full, upright position. We are about to experience some turbulence ...> Finally, I got the duct tape off my mouth and I'm ready to spew my input all over this digest! What makes certain people think that they know what Gary should and shouldn't do? In Allan's post he mentions that Gary is such a genius and bounces back and forth between slagging him and praising him. Get off the fence and make a stand! Not to pick on Allan here, there have been NUMEROUS posts on the negative and several who bounce back and forth. There's nothing wrong with sharing an opinion, or even being critical of Gary Numan -- just don't delude yourselves that the way YOU feel is how ALL OF US > HAVE < TO FEEL! You may like "I Sing Rain" -- I do not. I happen to like "Cry, The Clock Said" a great deal -- I know some do not. I happen to enjoy the Berserker image -- you may not. I personally do not even remotely enjoy the Warriors image -- were as you may think it his most brilliant. However, I APPRECIATE IT ALL! I submit that it is the few that have lost perspective. How many times has Gary pursued an "image" and the fans have (silently) cringed and worried that he'd gone too far -- only to decide that he's a genius in the end. Take Berserker... I can't think of anyone who has admitted that his "image" was the work of a genius -- AT THAT TIME! All I recall are complaints about how he's being slagged by the press and critics. But, there were many who silently cowered... bracing themselves for the outcome. Almost ashamed for Gary. But, NOW, there have been numerous posts about the Berserker image and how much of a genius move it was. Personally, I've ALWAYS thought it brilliant -- but like many, cowered at the thought of the general publics reaction. Not to mention all those critics. However, I've always been one of the first to bloody a lip for rude comments about Gary. I've always taken criticism of Gary quite personal, since he ALONE has managed to reach me on a level that NO OTHER human being on this planet has managed to even dream of! I've never dressed like Gary (though I've done my share of "images"). And being an American, it wasn't until the last North American tour that I was able to see him perform -- and have the pleasure of meeting him. It is Gary's ability to reach his fans on such a deep level that causes such exaggerated reactions to judgmental remarks. And those who are most critical are most likely the ones touched the deepest -- as you can not hate that which you have not loved! Some how, those critical few have been wronged (or so they perceive) by Gary on some level. That's my take on the situation. I'm no "shrink" but I do know how deeply Numan can reach into a person's soul. The isolation of being an American Numan fan (complete with tattoo) has made the "relationship" very VERY personal. It's almost as if he has been my very own soul mate. And jealousy or feelings of betrayal have surfaced when others have shared their personal experiences -- especially on a personal level with Gary. For so many years, I thought he was my own. But I've kept it in perspective. Those of you who feel so strongly that you must post about how horrible Numan has become need to seek professional help immediately. You are a stalker/serial killer/freak just waiting to explode! If you feel so strongly that you can't keep in perspective that Gary is an entertainer -- he's performing a JOB, to make money -- and what you "feel" is based on the absolute manipulation of words and music to create a desired effect THEN YOU NEED HELP!!!!! Gary's persona, his "images," have NOTHING to do with him as a man -- Gary Webb. This is an issue that even Gary Webb has a problem getting a handle on sometimes. Therefore, when Gary Numan is criticized, he takes it personally. But how can that be -- unless his "image" isn't merely a Gary Numan creation, but an actual presentation of Gary Webb himself. Then again, how could he not take criticism personally when he has taken all that time and put in all that effort to "create" something new and unique? It's like presenting your newborn child to your friends and they tell you it's the ugliest thing they've ever seen -- to your face! It's a double edged sword. A tightrope walk. A very thin line indeed. Let's ALL put things into perspective, shall we? Enjoy what you can from Mr. Numan and let the rest go... Don't get pissed about it, it certainly isn't worth it. And don't take it personally when others do get pissed about it and slag Gary to the bone! Get over it and move on. Get over it and move on. Get over it and move on... Thank me, that is all! Troy L. Walters Indiana, USA tlwalter@tctc.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 07:53:05 MST From: "Chris Munroe" Subject: re. complaints about numan criticizm. To: numan@cs.uwp.edu part of being a fan is giving what you perceive as constructive criticism when you feel it's needed. the people who express issues that they have with concerts or albums are just as much fans as those who mindlessly gush on and on about the (admittedly superior) quality of an artists output. you are doing gary no favours by trying to quash any criticism by branding those who criticize as less than "true fans", as if you totally remove the criticism from an artist, however talented, an artist stops putting effort into his work. remember, this is the same attitude that led david bowie to release tin machine albums. Chris "the arrogant, posturing buddha" Munroe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 10:13:42 -0500 From: Matthew Roberts Subject: Robert Heinlein To: Gary Numan Joey, I'm surprised to hear you quoting Mr Heinlein. I've only read "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" and it was the worst type of space-opera garbag= e I had the misfortune to read until I was suckered into Berserker Planet. Wasn't dear old Robert a nasty old-school right-right-winger? Unless the plot for Starship Troopers was really just a joke... "Common sense" CAN be an oxymoron in certain contexts, but as a generalisation Heinlein's view can be used to support any philosophy you like. For example, my common sense tells me there will always be people i= n society needing (and deserving) welfare. Ayn Rand might reply that my common sense is an oxymoron and those slackers just need a giant shot of 'laissez faire' up the arse. At least we agree on the topic of this Digest. Let's take solice in the fact that "Valerium" can't even get his pseudonym right. Should be Valeri= an (or Valeriun if you allow for the That's Too Bad misprint). On the subjec= t of names and the mispellings thereof, a friend of mine once got a message= that "Hardy Turdy" had called him. Oh well... "I believe in saying what you think, and so here goes................ bla bla bla bla bla" Surely this is a joke? I won't bother responding as I'm sure everyone can= see through this. "The presenter was just crap and the editing some of the worst ever!!" You should have seen the recording Matthew, then you'd think the editing was a work of genius - it only made the programme look bad rather than appalling. One amusing thing was notably cut from the show. Gary recounted the old Bowie story (apparently it happened in that very studio). Tom Binns picke= d up on the Kenny Everett angle and said, with knowing irony, that DJs shouldn't be allowed to make TV shows. There was a pause followed by Gary= , with perfect timing: "Well, it's OK if they're funny." Shame, cos Tom is quite good on the radio. Matthew Roberts ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:52:01 -0000 From: thoutby@fusiongroup.co.uk (Tim Houtby) Subject: Videos To: "'Numan Digest'" There MUST be someone out there in the UK who can help me!! I am searching for videos (preferably compilations), UK VHS, of Garys TV appearances - interviews, features, totp, etc, etc. I want anything from 79-99. My own tapes went missing a few years ago, and I'm keen to replace them. Please mail me if you have anything reasonably priced. Thanks, Tim. PS - Jim Napier - Thanks for your list, but is there anything UK compatible there? ________________________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Star Screening System http://academy.star.co.uk/public/virustats.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:10:36 EST From: Hopey77@aol.com Subject: Whingers,etc To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Fellow digesters- I've been lying low in the past few months. My 2 cents: If I see a band too many times it does get boring only if they are mediocre or suck. I actually got bored at a Buzzcocks show a few years back when I should kiss my lucky arse that they still tour. Saw them a few months back and really enjoyed it. Also I get the willies when the Damned tour - saw them in Boston on Halloween, even got to drink a few pints with the band after the show. It's weird to have Dave Vanian challenge you to a farting contest with the keyboardist... long story... Seeing Numan once in Cambridge was a thrill and I'd do it again. I live that night over and over in my head. Does anyone know or can calculate how many times Numan has done Down In the Park live? Do we care? Why did I ask? I'd give my left nut to see Numan live again - oh, wait, I don't have one. I'll think of something... And I have three words for you all: David Lee Roth. 'nuff said. Every now and then I blurt out to my pals "I can't WAIT 'til Numan tours the US again." I'm sure it pains him to do Cars over and over again live. I did get one more person into Numan this year... isn't that what matters? This guy even did his own techno version of Cars and gave it to me on disk. It's pretty good! At least Gary is still alive and kicking somewhat. But before he tours I want to get more work done on my Numan tattoo. I'm thinking of wires... any suggestions? 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