Gary Numan Digest Sun, 26 Dec 99 Volume 1 : Issue 602 Today's Topics: 2000 Believe me...there is a "God" Bright & Happy C4 History of the pop video Change of email address Enjoy it while it lasts Found Out Gary Numan Digest V1 #601 (2 msgs) Merry Christmas misc rambling New email address for me !!!! Quick to judge, Quick to anger That Mental Thing VIRUS WARNING......"Lump of coal" well said, Rod ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 17:15:28 +0100 From: luc.de_visscher@ch.Novartis.com Subject: 2000 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) To all of you, I hope you can stop the argueing, and the nasty remarks. If somebody has a bad experience and a bad comment on a concert, it is his/her good right. Compare it with wine, as long as YOU like it, it doesn't matter what the wine-guide says... To all of you, a merry X-mas and a great 2000 Love from Belgium, Luc DE VISSCHER THE NUMAN FACTOR BELGIUM PS: How can you English people stand the "Millennium prayer", 4 weeks on number one??? Makes you think, doesn't it??? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 07:45:10 -0500 From: Cary Wiltz Subject: Believe me...there is a "God" To: NUMAN@cs.uwp.edu I am an agnostic. I believe that there is some supreme being out there but do not know enough about that being to make an educated guess as to their origin or whereabouts. Our little human minds could never comprehend the existence of something that our senses cannot hone in on. How does one think that we got here? Can't be from dirt. How does one get the propensity to feel under these things called flesh and bones and blood and tissues? How can one not believe that there is something much greater than what we perceive on this very small and insignificant planet in one of MANY galaxy holding other planets? You know how? Ignorance. Only an idiot can say that there is nothing more supreme than a human. What gives you the power to think that you are the SHIT. Do you actually think that we just evolved from some one cell amoeba? If so, where did the amoeba come from? Please, let us stop talking about God and Religion because NO ONE on this digest really knows the real deal so why speculate, right? If you do not believe that something greater than us is our creator then please keep it to yourself because your minds are obviously clouded with nothing more than selfish admiration. We are nothing more than creatures that have been placed on this planet for less than 100 or so years. For what purpose? I do not know. What put us here? I do not know. Did we just squeeze out of a vaginal canal from day one? Who had the first vagina? Cary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:09:27 -0400 From: Michael Tressler Subject: Bright & Happy To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Ben asked: "But here's a difficult question. What would we think of a Gary album that was happy and bright?" I, for one, would like it! Talk about your "departures" and "new musical directions." NOT that i don't love all his other music. Just something a little more "upbeat" would be refreshing. Here's another difficult question. In the world of "what-if's", suppose Gary suddenly found God and became a born-again Christian, and wrote an entire album of Christian songs? How would it sound, and would the atheists buy it? Again, this is just hypothetical. No need to flood the digest with "that will NEVER happen" messages. Just thought this would bring about interesting ideas. But please, no insults either way. I think we've all grown tired of those. Mike the Bookman ------------------------------ Date: 23 Dec 1999 03:52:18 -0800 From: Paidi Finnegan Subject: C4 History of the pop video To: numan@cs.uwp.edu >Talking of which, I understand Gary was on a UK show about the history >of= >pop videos a couple of weeks ago. Apparently he slagged the Ashes To >Ashes >video off (rather countering my point). Can anyone expand? well, they showed a bit of the vid, and Neil Tennant was talking about how it was an influential video in it's day, and although it's a bit dated now, it's still good. then gary came on and said it was 'absolute bollocks', and that there was 'something seriously dodgy about a guy on a beach in a clown suit', or something like that. later, there was an interview with the co-founder of mtv, mike nesmith from the monkies, where he just happened to pull the cars/ditp video from his collection ('anyone remember that?'), and they showed a clip. and right at the end, they showed a great clip from the fear factory cars video, and asked gary a few questions about it. why he contributed: 'i knew the words anyway'... such irony lost on the general populace of c4 viewers... incindentaly, it was put together by boy george, which explains why gary was there. paidi. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:09:24 -0000 From: "Sarah" Subject: Change of email address To: "Zinc" , Hi folks, >From today I can only receive email through sarah@marrah.net ... sorry to mess up your address books but sarah@angelzeit is no longer operating. Best wishes Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 14:53:40 GMT From: "Sleepbywindows !" Subject: Enjoy it while it lasts To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Dear Fellow Numanoids, I couldn’t let the recent Manchester gig angst and Web(b) rantings go without some comment. I was grateful to all the reviewers of the Manchester gig. The negative ones supported some of my own reasons for not going and yet the positive ones made me regret missing the show, not least for missing a rare airing of “Remember I Was Vapour”. Gary’s ‘outburst’ on NuWorld, following the spate of negative reviews, I feel was ill advised. I must say that I was genuinely shocked by phrases like “the usual whingers” and “go be a fan of somebody else”. Presumably Gary’s anger at these ‘defectors’ is matched with equally heartfelt love and admiration for the group of hangers-on who seem to have their lips permanently attached to Gary’s rear end. I am sure that these negative criticisms have been around a lot longer than peoples access to publicly air them on the Internet. It’s a pity that the “small handful” should trigger such a damning and public response from Gary himself and then his dad. After 20 years of quite shameful adverse and often personal criticism in the music press and beyond, I would have expected Gary to rise above it all. Does anyone here have an inkling as to why he couldn’t let it go? Maybe it hurts more now because he isn’t the hugely popular, mega selling star he once was. However, I don’t think he or any of us should confuse popularity with quality. McDonald’s have sold billions of hamburgers but I think few would argue that a ‘Happy Meal’ reaches the pinnacle of excellent cuisine. “Exile” may not have sold anything like the sales figures of “Replicas” or “The Pleasure Principle”, but the later album has much greater quality of song writing, performance and production. I certainly think so and I do think that Gary continues to get better both live and in the studio. I was finally moved to contribute after reading Rod’s piece a few Digests ago. I thought it was extremely well written, incisive and informative until he got to the part about Gary’s dissatisfaction with God being dissatisfaction with himself. Of course that presupposes that ‘God’ does in fact exist. Let’s assume for a moment that it doesn’t. Where would Gary’s dissatisfaction come from then? Perhaps it is simply his creative force colliding with his search for the perfect sound, the perfect song or the perfect way of expressing an emotion, feeling or idea? Gary’s music is dark, powerful and intense and I appreciate the man and what he does because of these characteristics. If this is his way of expressing dissatisfaction, I hope he remains dissatisfied for many more albums to come. In the UK there has recently been a show on TV called “Universe”. It was a series of hour long programmes which explored the origins of the universe and the planets and stars in our solar system. I love all this astronomy stuff and felt moved to bring a collection of facts to the Digest for us all to enjoy. Without the heat and energy we receive from the Sun, there would be no life on Earth. The Sun is one big nuclear furnace which is constantly burning its finite supply of helium fuel. The logical conclusion to the previous statement is that the Sun will eventually run out of fuel and effectively die. You may think that as the Sun approaches the end of its life it would become dimmer and cooler. But you’d be wrong. The Sun will expand into a giant red and intensely hot fire ball as it approaches the traditional end of the life of a star. This is called a supernova. The heat will be so intense that the seas and oceans will boil and evaporate and even the Earth’s crust will melt. At the point of supernova, the Earth will effectively be fried to a burnt crisp. So, when’s all this going to happen? 5 billion years time according to latest estimates. Assuming that we haven’t plundered all the Earth’s natural resources before then or poisoned our environment beyond its capacity to support life, the death of our Sun will certainly be the end of Humanity on this planet. OK, let’s assume we all moved to Mars before then, will that save us? Nope, Mars is going to be fried too. In fact our Sun will take out quite a few planets during its death throes, so no other planet near us will save us from the ultimate flame thrower. So, my question is when the Earth gets torched will God still exist? Will it be floating about in its omni-present way saying, “Shit! I hadn’t thought of that”? And will the spirit of Gary still be dissatisfied? Watch this space!! ;-) Enjoy Christ’s birthday one and all! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:39:43 -0800 (PST) From: Ronald Cole Subject: Found Out To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) Matthew Roberts writes: >I still don't know how it is possible to adore Replicas and hate >Machine And Soul. One word answer: Kipper. -- Forte International, P.O. Box 1412, Ridgecrest, CA 93556-1412 Ronald Cole Phone: (760) 499-9142 President, CEO Fax: (760) 499-9152 My GPG fingerprint: C3AF 4BE9 BEA6 F1C2 B084 4A88 8851 E6C8 69E3 B00B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:13:47 +0000 From: richard easton Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #601 To: Gary Numan Hey, Stephan.......... Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your as well!! PS: Please don't post any more pictures! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:13:57 +0000 From: richard easton Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #601 To: Gary Numan Hey, Stephan.......... Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours as well!! PS: Please don't post any more pictures! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:06:38 +0000 From: Jackie Taylor Subject: Merry Christmas To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Merry Christmas to Gary and Gemma and everybody on the digest! Happy New Year and Millennium 2000 May Gary continue long into the new millennium... I can smell the turkey cooking already.. Bye for now Jackz x.x.x.x.x.x Jackie Louise Taylor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:34:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael R. Ward" Subject: misc rambling To: numan digest >But here's a difficult question. What would we think of a Gary album >that was happy and bright? >much love, >Benjamin Iglar-Mobley sorry ben (just kidding my friend) i gotta say the answer is "radio heart whoa whoa whoa..." oh there the gas pains are gone. it appears that new dreams for old is going to get a u.s. release after all. buy.com has it on preorder for $9.95. damn i spent too much for import again. p.s. when is the next compilation. i havent bought a single one this month. did anybody see the french compilation cd that was on e-bay. made by the map company editions atlas. i tried to email the company but they said they are no longer in print. the collection exhibition document series presents newman numan photograph the other side of here i am greatest hits 78-83 new dreams for old strange charm live down in the park best of 84-93 black heart archive archive v2 story so far remodulate the premier hits les genies du rock selection did i miss any? wow! and finally i have to put my 2 cents worth in and say i think rod was dead on with alot he said in last sundays digest. course i think gary's irs output was fantastic however. peace out. mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 21:33:28 EST From: Garrgoyle7@aol.com Subject: New email address for me !!!! To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I wanted to let you know that this will be the LAST email from me at this address. My new email address is: garrgoyle7@home.com. Just thought you would like to know. Take care and have a Merry Christmas !!! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:19:49 +0000 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Quick to judge, Quick to anger To: Gary Numan Going back a few Digests, I know, but Troy Walters has got it right. Far too many people are far too anxious. Other people's opinions of what they think they know about Gary are, in the final analysis, irrelevant. So are mine. Paddy Vickers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 17:54:59 -0400 From: Michael Tressler Subject: That Mental Thing To: numan@cs.uwp.edu "I, for one, am sick of you two bickering. Your mental masturbations are becoming tedious." Mental Masturbations: was that a quote from Sammy Hagar's "There's Only One Way To Rock?" Bookman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:38:37 +0000 From: richard easton Subject: VIRUS WARNING......"Lump of coal" To: Alan Lenton , ASTON , Another Email virus is knocking about, and may well arrive on or around Christmas day. The virus infected Email is entitled " Lump of coal", and contains an attachment, which contains a windows destroynig virus. If u recieve this email, delete it without opening it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:08:35 -0800 From: jasonmb@calweb.com Subject: well said, Rod To: numan@cs.uwp.edu >> On a deeper level, his dissatisfaction with God is a dissatisfaction >> in himself. > >I'm an atheist, and that statement I found to be probably true for me as >well. I might expand it to say my rejection of any god is from a >dissatisfaction in myself and in other people and the world around me. Huh...? No offense, but it sounds like you're not really an atheist. I am, and it's not because I'm "dissatisfied with myself" -- nothing could be farther from the truth. I'm an atheist because I've given the matter a lot of careful thought, and after weighing everything, I've decided "he" just doesn't exist. It's that simple. Why do people like Rod assume there's something wrong with anyone who doesn't believe in God? That really bothers me. Atheists do not need "help," they aren't "lost," and they don't need to be "saved." We're just normal people who happen to live without religion. Sorry for the off-topic message, but this topic seems to come up a lot, and I finally had to say something about it. -- Jason Borchers jasonmb@calweb.com ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ****************************** _______________________________________________________________________ _____ ____ ____ _____ _____ / \ | | / \ / \ / \ / \ | |-----| |-----| | |-----| |-----| | | | G | | A | | | R | | Y | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----| |-----| | |-----| |-----| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | N | E | W | S |=====| | | | | | | | & | | | | | | | \_____/ I | N | F | O | | | | is produced and distributed by Derek Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, mail to: numan@cs.uwp.edu If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, you can mail to numan-request@cs.uwp.edu ----------------- The Gary Numan Digest is brought to you via Datta Production and Development, 905 97th Street, Kenosha, WI 53143 USA datta@cs.uwp.edu and computer resources courtesy of University of Wisconsin-Parkside and Datta Production and Development. 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