Gary Numan Digest Thu, 30 Dec 99 Volume 1 : Issue 603 Today's Topics: Believe me...there is a "God" Blur Can't we all just get along? Cars ending on reel one Gary Numan Digest V1 #602 (3 msgs) Good point, Luc Happy music Happy Y2K to all! info.. Metal video NUMAN in old issue of CREEM! Out of Office AutoReply: Gary Numan Digest V1 #602 Romeo Must Die / Dark Say hello, wave goodbye That Mental Thing Vaginal Canal Army Well Said, Jason and Cary Why? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:10:56 +1300 From: "D & J Hall" Subject: Believe me...there is a "God" To: "Gary Numan" Cary asked: "Who had the first vagina?" Darren answers: I know when I had my first ... February 1988. I suspect that I am not the first. ;-D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:28:18 -0500 From: Matthew Roberts Subject: Blur To: Gary Numan For a while I've felt that Parklife was influenced by Replicas, without having any firm reason other than that Matt Sharp managed to persuade Dam= on Albarn to sing We Have A Technical. On the face of it, the albums are qui= te different. However, the following quote from Stuart Maconie's "3862 Days - The Official History of Blur" gave me heart. This is Stephen Street, Blur's producer on Parklife: "Damon was really getting the art of songwriting sorted... We were having= fun with genre's all the time. We'd discuss the vibe we wanted on each track... Let's be Bowie here. Let's have a Numan or Magazine vibe here...= " =46rom the same book, there's a couple of quotes from bassist Alex James = that I think Gary would approve of and might have an oblique relevance to rece= nt Digest discussions: "NME readers are such pompous cunts aren't they? They think that what the= y think about music is so important but there's no point in deconstructing anything... The truth is, there's nothing unusual about what we do..... Playing a guitar is about as mysterious as using a typewriter. It's the same thing only you have your hands the other way up... Talent, genius, BOLLOCKS! "Musicians just like to overcomplicate what they do. When we're in the studio I can't see anything mysterious going on. "I don't want to tell people how to live their lives. I did to start with= but people don't want that, people don't want a revolution, people don't want to lay down their tools and stop working... They just want something= to whistle in the dark." Mind, he was drinking 2 bottles of champagne a day at the time, lucky bastard. Matthew Roberts ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:54:40 -0500 From: "Ken Bryant" Subject: Can't we all just get along? To: "Numan Digest" Hello fellow Numan fans! Over and over again, I have read all about peoples different points of view concerning God, religion, etc. Whether I agree or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is Gary Numan, since this is the *Numan* Digest. I subscribed to this digest to read about Gary Numan. I did not subscribe to this digest to read about your religion, or lack of. In the words of Rodney King, 'ouch, quit, stop that!' Bye, Ken Bryant ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 08:53:38 +0000 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Cars To: Gary Numan Andy "Basket Case" Taylor complains that "Cars" is being milked to much, and definitely seems to suggest that Gary puts it about too much. He actually dropped it from his set list in 1995 (ish), but then it resurfaced on that TV advert in 1996. Gary has, technically, release "Cars" twice, once in 1979, and then it was one of the tracks on the Live E.P. Record companies, over whom he has no control, have put it out three more times since. Paddy Vickers Proud members of Bahais Like Us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 02:15:02 -0600 From: Valerie Iglar-Mobley Subject: ending on reel one To: The Gary Digest Dear numanoids, Just in case the doomsayers were right and the world is about to end at the stroke of midnight tomorrow, I want to thank you all for letting me share the Numan spirit with you. I'm grateful I found an e-community of people with whom I can virtually connect over our appreciation of Gary's music. I'm hoping the world will still be here when we come back to it in the next century, but if it isn't I just wanted you all to know that. lots of love, Benjamin Iglar-Mobley * * * > The Second Coming --William Butler Yeats Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again; but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches toward Bethlehem to be born? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 09:36:11 -0500 From: Matthew Roberts Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #602 To: Gary Numan Sleep By Windows, Thanks for the astronomy lesson. However, our Sun won't actually go supernova, as that only happens to stars roughly 10 times more massive th= an ours. Our Sun will go through a giant phase (as depicted in Universe) in around 5 billion years and virtually destroy the inner planets. It will then shed most of it's mass and become a white dwarf. Supernova are actually quite rare, and our star is just a boring little dot in a non-descript suburb of our Galaxy of 200 billion stars. >Matthew Roberts writes: >>I still don't know how it is possible to adore Replicas and hate >>Machine And Soul. > >One word answer: Kipper. I'm still waiting for an explanation. I agree that Kipper was a largely negative influence, but it wasn't his album. Not least because he had nothing to do with 3 of the tracks. All the songs had the unique Gary Num= an sound, just like Replicas. Matthew Roberts ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 19:18:00 -0000 From: "Tracy Joyner" Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #602 To: "Gary Numan" Hi TJ here, I would just like to say I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas and look forward to the NU- YEAR all the best to everyone. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:01:41 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Schumann Subject: Gary Numan Digest V1 #602 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu > From: Cary Wiltz > I am an agnostic. > I believe that there is some supreme being out there but do not know > enough about that being to make an educated guess as to their origin or > whereabouts. Why is this relevant? I'm happy you have your beliefs and I have mine. > Our little human minds could never comprehend the existence of something > that our senses cannot hone in on. Sure. Math and logic come to mind. Or are you saying we sense those? Some would say they sense God. > How does one think that we got here? Can't be from dirt. As far as day-to-day living goes, we have the Scientific Method to help us. It's been the only way our lives get better. And it says that it doesn't matter what we think: We test our theories, and it turns out human intuition is pretty useless most of the time. Can't be from dirt? Why not? It's got all the stuff we're made of in it. To speak from the other side, even the Bible says "dust to dust." > How does one get the propensity to feel under these things called flesh > and bones and blood and tissues? How can one not believe that there is > something much greater than what we perceive on this very small and > insignificant planet in one of MANY galaxy holding other planets? You > know how? Ignorance. I do not have a propensity to feel. I actually do, but I can only speak for myself. How can one not believe in God? It's just as easy and meaningful to ask how one *can* believe. I say simply: Prove it. > Only an idiot can say that there is nothing more supreme than a human. > What gives you the power to think that you are the SHIT. Do you actually > think that we just evolved from some one cell amoeba? If so, where did > the amoeba come from? If you'd care to read up on the topic, biology is pretty well understood. True, the part about changing from primitive self-replicating molecules to the earliest life forms is a bit tricky. And because you don't know doesn't mean it is not know, and even if it is not known to anyone, does not make it true or false or even remotely unknowable. > Please, let us stop talking about God and Religion because NO ONE on > this digest really knows the real deal so why speculate, right? Now this I can agree with. Physician heal thyself. > If you do not believe that something greater than us is our creator then > please keep it to yourself because your minds are obviously clouded with > nothing more than selfish admiration. Likewise, if you do believe we are children of a benefacter, please keep it to yourself. > We are nothing more than creatures that have been placed on this planet > for less than 100 or so years. For what purpose? I do not know. What > put us here? I do not know. Did we just squeeze out of a vaginal canal > from day one? Who had the first vagina? Now you are showing how weird you are. If you don't know and want to find out, go do it somewhere else. If you don't really want to know, stop asking here. Try a biology/evolution/creationist/theology/philosophy mailing list. Best wishes to you. I hope you find your answers soon. Now let's get to something relevant to *this* list, like how many people would like to see me update The Tubeway with better cover scans and correct lyrics? I've started the work, and any encouragement would help. Sincerely, Chris Schumann "Wait a minute, Joe. If what you're saying is true, then I still don't care." - Dave Nelson, News Radio ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 00:44:23 -0800 From: awa Subject: Good point, Luc To: numan@cs.uwp.edu The Danny T thing was funny because it was so over the top. I like the Ten Commandments too. Luc DE VISSCHER said in the last digest: > To all of you, I hope you can stop the argueing, and the nasty remarks. If > somebody has a bad experience and a bad comment on a concert, it is his/her good > right. Compare it with wine, as long as YOU like it, it doesn't matter what the > wine-guide says... I say good. And very Continent with that wine metaphor. It's true. After reading those Q&A's with Tony Webb, one can't help but feel a little sad. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:32:25 -0000 From: "brendan colton" Subject: Happy music To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In response to Michael Tressler's question about Gary doing a = 'Christian' album, I think that the fans would still but it. After all, = look at Elvis...he covered (and invented) many styles from rock 'n' roll = to blues to gospel and more. Yet, his true fans love all his music, = because his individual style comes through. Look at Gary's music...from = punk (T. Army) to electro-rock(P. Principle) to funk (Machine Arsehole) = to... the list goes on. Yet, his individual style comes through every = time. Yeah, give a happy-clappy Numan album (better than another version = of 'Cars' it has to be said.) Like the rest of you, I just want new = music from the genius that is Numan. Incidentally, I'm going to Elvis 2000 in March. That should be = interesting. I hope he doesn't cover 'Cars'...... Have a good 21st = century, y'all. Love, Asylum5. XXXX Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In response to Michael Tressler's = question about=20 Gary doing a 'Christian' album, I think that the fans would still but = it. After=20 all, look at Elvis...he covered (and invented) many styles from rock 'n' = roll to=20 blues to gospel and more. Yet, his true fans love all his music, because = his=20 individual style comes through. Look at Gary's music...from punk (T. = Army) to=20 electro-rock(P. Principle) to funk (Machine Arsehole) to... the list = goes on.=20 Yet, his individual style comes through every time. Yeah, give a = happy-clappy=20 Numan album (better than another version of 'Cars' it has to be said.) = Like the=20 rest of you, I just want new music from the genius that is = Numan. Incidentally, I'm going to Elvis = 2000 in March.=20 That should be interesting. I hope he=20 doesn't cover 'Cars'...... Have a good 21st century, y'all. = Love,=20 Asylum5. XXXX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:50:29 -0500 From: "Michael J. Damrath" Subject: Happy Y2K to all! To: Gary Numan Well, a very merry Y2K to all of the members of the Gary Numan Digest! As the 'Old Millennium' draws to a close, I must say that the latter four years of it has been made brighter for me by the existence of this forum. I have greatly enjoyed the information, discussions, the banter, and yes - even the flames. It's all good. I thank each and every one of you for sharing your views on Gary's music and even for sharing on all of the periphery topics we tend to wander off to. Gary Numan fans are a diverse lot. I think that fact alone speaks well of Gary's music and what will be his legacy. On the subject of the 'C4 History of Pop Video' television show. It's just another example of how lucky you Brits are! Boy, would I have loved to have seen that! Sleepbywindows ! wrote: > I was finally moved to contribute after reading Rod’s piece a few Digests ago. I thought it was extremely well written, incisive and informative until he got to the part about Gary’s dissatisfaction with God being > dissatisfaction with himself. Of course that presupposes that ‘God’ does in fact exist. Let’s assume for a moment that it doesn’t. Where would Gary’s dissatisfaction come from then? ... > So, my question is when the Earth gets torched will God still exist? Will it be floating about in its omni-present way saying, “Shit! I hadn’t thought of that”? And will the spirit of Gary still be dissatisfied? Watch this space!! ;-) > > Enjoy Christ’s birthday one and all! I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciated the irony of you questioning the existence and influence of God in one (very long) breath, and wishing us all a happy Christ's birthday in the next. Hmmmm..... >From Michael Tressler: > "I, for one, am sick of you two bickering. Your mental masturbations are becoming tedious." > > Mental Masturbations: was that a quote from Sammy Hagar's "There's Only One Way To Rock?" I would have hoped that I would never have to see Sammy Hagar's name mentioned in the Gary Numan digest. *insert sound or projectile vomiting* >From Richard Easton: > Another Email virus is knocking about, and may well arrive on or around Christmas day. > The virus infected Email is entitled " Lump of coal", and contains an attachment, which contains a windows destroynig virus. If u recieve this email, delete it without opening it. Sounds like another in the long list of damn good reasons I own a Mac! >From Jason Borchers: > Why do people like Rod assume there's something wrong with anyone who doesn't believe in God? That really bothers me. Atheists do not need "help," they aren't "lost," and they don't need to be "saved." We're just normal people who happen to live without religion. > > Sorry for the off-topic message, but this topic seems to come up a lot, and I finally had to say something about it. Religion is a funny thing Jason. We the people on planet Earth have been bickering and beating each other over the head and firing rockets up each other's asses about it for thousands of years. I personally had an extremely bad experience with religion as a child, and just recently a very upsetting episode involving one of my children. I won't get into details, but I can sum both events up with the fact that they were both due to someone trying to force their own personal dogma onto someone else. It is in the nature of most religions to do this. It falls under the loose umbrella of being a 'missionary'. Some people do it purposefully and loudly, others do it subtly and sneakily, others just do it without even thinking. I think Rod is guilty of the last one, as are many others. I should round this observation out by saying that I myself am something of an Agnostic. It just seems that every time I get close to accepting the existence of a God, someone comes along and shows me the worst evils of religion, and pushes me away from it again. Right now, the bad taste in my mouth has yet to fade from the last dose of 'Bad Medicine' I received. BTW, I think it's pretty clear by now that the subject of religion in this forum is anything BUT 'off-topic'. Gary's 'Sacrifice' and 'Exile', and the subsequent discussions, I feel have (unfortunately) made religion a temporary mainstay of the Gary Numan Digest. -- Mike Damrath http://home.earthlink.net/~damrat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:05:07 -0800 From: bret andrews Subject: info.. To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello, I am giving you the information that you requested. I am 36 years old and I am a science teacher at Aztec High School.I am also enrolled at New Mexico Tech. and should have my Masters in Geology soon. I started listening to Gary Numan in '78 Tubeway Army and saw his Telekon Tour in 1980 in San Diego. What a show! I have been playing guitar since high school and was playing "Are friends electric" last night to his CD "Archive #2" live version. I like what you are doing please keep me informed. Can you help me access Martin Purvis's website " OUTBACK" the server comes up 'error #404' I met Martin Purvis back in 1987 in Sydney, Australia and would love to get a hold of him. Yours, Bret ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:22:05 EST From: "iiaann 7" Subject: Metal video To: numan@cs.uwp.edu A few digests ago "Andy B" wrote >Can someone please explain what/where/who/how/when >is the 'Metal' video. >I've seen it mentioned a few times in this list... Andy I'm not sure what Metal video has been mentioned before but I can remember that Gary did a video for the song 'Metal' for a Tyne Tees program called 'Razamataz'. Must have been around 1979-1980. I can remember on one of the scenes where Gary was standing between 2 electric pylons and the electricity was going from one pylon to the other through Gary's head. Can anyone remember this. The video must have been done specially for the Razamataz program as that was the only time I saw it, and unfortunately we didn't have a VCR back in 1979 so I couldn't tape it. Did anyone tape it ??? Cheers iiaann7 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 16:22:23 EST From: HateGrape@aol.com Subject: NUMAN in old issue of CREEM! To: numan@cs.uwp.edu I recently won an old issue of CREEM magazine ("America's only rock n roll magazine) on the e-bay site. Its from June l980, and features a nice sized article on Gary. Included is an almost full paged (color) picture from the Touring Principle tour, featuring the light towers in all their tall majesty! If anyone is interested in what the article talks about feel free to email me. The rest of the issue has articles on the Clash, Ramones, and Lene Lovich! Man, am I living in the wrong time period!!! Those were the days. -Nick The Yak ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 10:37:52 -0000 From: Victor Gannon Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: Gary Numan Digest V1 #602 To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Thank you for your mail. I will be out of the Office Until 4th January, If you have an urgent requirement please contact our support department on 061 416646. Have a Merry Christmas Victor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:27:57 -0800 From: Gregor Torrence Subject: Romeo Must Die / Dark To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) I downloaded the movie trailer for the forth coming movie _Romeo Must Die_ starring Jet Li. The trailer features a modest length non-vocal edit of _Dark_ in it. If what ever was seen on E.T. last week featured an excerpt from _Dominion Day_ in it, there is a pretty serious Numan fan at Warner Brothers. (Yes, _Dark_ was featured in _Dark City_, but that was New Line Cinema.) http://www.romeomustdie.net/ http://us.imdb.com/Title?0165929 -Gregor. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:28:14 -0700 From: Riana Pfefferkorn Subject: Say hello, wave goodbye To: numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) Well, folks, I've been a member of this Digest for about three years now (which I know isn't long in comparison to some), and for the past few months I've just been scanning for anything worth reading. I haven't found much; it's mostly just people embarrassing themselves in a public forum. It's a shame really. It's sad to see how the quality of the Digest has plummeted... but maybe it was never replete with scintillating, rarefied wit and absorbing conversation to begin with. No offense intended, of course, to Messrs. Datta and Langsford, who have kept this mailing list going as a labor of love for I don't know how long. At any rate, I no longer wish to be a part of this list; it's become just one more e-mail to plow through. So I'm unsubscribing (in a big, pompous, long-winded, dramatic public way, of course -- quelle diva). I seem to remember that the server the Digest is housed on is scheduled to be killed sometime soon. Maybe the Digest should just die with it. It might do a lot of people's blood pressure a lot of good. Have yourselves a merry little New Year. Byebye k *~*~*~*~*~*~* Riana Pfefferkorn riana@garynumanfan.nu http://scary.garynumanfan.nu Death Goes To The Disco "I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each. I do not think that they will sing to me." --T.S. Eliot *~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:03:54 +1300 From: "D & J Hall" Subject: That Mental Thing To: "Gary Numan" Bookman asked: "Mental Masturbations: was that a quote from Sammy Hagar's ""There's Only One Way To Rock?"" " Darren answers: No, just a relatively polite way of telling two wankers to shut up. Seems to have worked. ;-D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:56:35 -0800 From: "Jim Benson, AICP" Subject: Vaginal Canal Army To: "Gary Numan" > What put us here? I do not know. Did we just > squeeze out of > a vaginal canal from day one? Who had the first vagina? Umm.. that was me. I created you all. Sorry for the confusion. Jim ---- http://www.ourfounder.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:28:43 -0400 From: Michael Tressler Subject: Well Said, Jason and Cary To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Jason Borchers said: "Why do people like Rod assume there's something wrong with anyone who doesn't believe in God? That really bothers me. Atheists do not need "help," they aren't "lost," and they don't need to be "saved." We're just normal people who happen to live without religion." Well said, Jason. I believe in God but respect your right not to. I just get upset, as anyone would, when an atheist insults me personally and my right to believe, like implying i'm insane to believe. And to Cary... I love you man! You summed up quite well what would have taken me several pages to say. How can we humans say that we are the end-all of life? There may not be a God, but how can we know for sure? And I agree that it's time we all "just got along" and stopped debating endlessly. MT ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 13:58:20 +0300 From: "The Tik-Tok Man" Subject: Why? To: "Numan Digest" Noomunoidz, I have been asked to pass on an urgent directive issued by the Director of the Supreme Numan Soviet; those who want to debate the God question - get another forum. This digest is SOLELY for Numan-related topics. Religion should only be debated here only in the context of a direct interpretation of Numan's lyrics, not a free-for-all "atheists vs. agnostics vs. Christians etc. (Boring beyond words) And now, just for a change, a Numan-related question: Over the years, Numan has written, performed, produced and released a virtual cornucopia of songs and instrumentals, (anyone done an exact count?), a truly prodigious output for us to enjoy. We all have our favourites, and our definite opinions on the ones he should never have recorded - but that's yet another debate. Of all his tracks though, for me, one in particular stands out, head and shoulders above all others in the bewildering category of "What's Wrong With This Picture?" I am, of course, talking about the live cover of "On Broadway". Great version, but in God's name (whoops) WHY??? Anybody have any insights on this burning question? Huh? Anybody? And was it ever released as a studio recording? Back to the vodka and mince pies ... 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