Gary Numan Digest Sun, 19 Mar 2000 Volume 2 : Issue 22 Today's Topics: A little surprised Another lurker's list Bass players Celluloid Sound Derek's top 5 lists fave soundtracks Favorites... Fluff Pieces Fluffy! Just one more "Top 5"... London Meet ? More Top 5's My Favourite Non Gary Numan Bands-Artists Mystery Voice Non Numan Top 5 Not Psuedo Echo! Numan Intro's On Telekon are the Tops The Church Of Gary Numan: A Dark Celebration ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:57:41 -0500 From: Cary Wiltz Subject: A little surprised To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU I am a little surprised that not one person out there has put a couple of my favorite non Numan artists out there. If you like dreamy, loopy music(like much of Gary but even MORE synth)you really should try my # 1 on the list: 1. Tear Garden(the "Tired Eyes Slowly Burning" cd/cassette/LP will BLOW YOUR MIND!) 2. Cocteau Twins 3. Dead Can Dance 4. Legendary Pink Dots(the song "Hellsville" on the Crushed Velvet Apacolapse cd/LP is mind boggling along with the Chynna Doll series) 5. Severed Heads Mentionable song from a faded artist: "Doot-Doot" by Psuedo Echo....truly, just about the most dreamy and heart-felt synth song out there from the mid 1980's. Quite powerful and layered with heavy sound. Cary ps...you got lucky, NUMANIAC, with that out bidding on the German live Sacrafice Tour 94 cd...I was driving home when it ended...enjoy! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:22:37 -0700 From: Pat Weber Subject: Another lurker's list To: Gary Numan I just couldn't stand it anymore . . . 1. Front 242 2. Skinny Puppy / Download 3. NiN 4. Icehouse 5. Phil Collins (okay, he's out of place, but I love the percussion!) . . . and not in any particular order, either. What actually happens with my music during the week? 1. Numan 2. Numan 3. Numan 4. One of the above, or Bowie, or Palmer, or Oldfield, . . . you get the gist. 5. Numan . . . and not in any particular order, either. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:19:31 +0000 From: Philip Lindsay Subject: Bass players To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU "Steven Lilly" mentioned Nick Beggs in the last digest.... In an odd coincidence, I also +met, one of Gary,s old bass players recently, if only over the internet ) I,m a bassist myself, and a member of a bass forum. I,d corresponded with this chap for a short while on the Forum before I noticed his name on the credits for Berserker! A very personable guy named Martin Elliot. I was pretty impressed by this, since the bass playing on The Secret, The God Film and The Hunter was one of the things which first piqued my interest in the bass. Martin played on the whole album except for Cold Warning, and also on Miracles (The Fury) and a couple of tracks from Strange Charm. Pretty much involved the whole +middle years, so beloved of some of our number (including me). Like Nick Beggs, he nothing but good things to say about Gary, and I did ask him how easy Gary was to work with. The jist of his reply was that people who have problems as session musicians are generally failing to provide what the artist wants. He found him to be perfectly reasonable. For Berserker, Martin just had a guide drum line, the basic synth line, and got on with the job until he came up with something that Gary could latch onto. He's currently in the Michael Nyman Band (The Piano, Belly of an Architect, Zed and two Noughts etc), and has a pretty impressive CV. (we'll let the fact that he turned down an offer to play on the Berserker tour to play with The Nolans go, I think!) I have to say though, I don,t really remember Gary having a real problem with bass players in general, just with Joe Hubbard in particular on Warriors. Perhaps Mick Karn? But the rest, Andy Coughlan, Pino Pallidino, Nick Beggs etc, seem to have got on fine. I would really like Gary to get back to having a skilled bass player, and integrating it into his current sound, because Ade Orange isn't it. And the new, +sod-you-all, attitude, I hope it works and makes a difference. I just think back to Praying to the Aliens, where it seems like Gary admits that virtually every business and musical decision he made after about 1980 was ill-advised. I really wish that he would take advice from external sources sometimes (that is, outside the Webb family), just for a different perspective. Not the fan perspective though, we,re hardly impartial. Who knows, maybe he does. I have to say, when I found out the album was going to be another seven months away, I just sighed and resigned myself to it almost immediately. No point in being angry about it. Any gigs in the meantime will no doubt include some of the new stuff, so at least that should be a bonus. Looking forward to April 15th, fingers crossed that I enjoy it better than Manchester! All the best Phil. P.S. Interesting to spot another KFMDM fan on the list.... P.P.S. Someone asked what is so special about My Dying Machine and Call Out the Dogs... There's a bit in the film American Pie where a young girl is saying that she's pretty sure she's had an orgasm. Her friend tells her that if she had, she'd know! Maybe it's kind of the same thing with these songs! If you don't know what's special, then I'm not going to be able to describe it to you! I just love them both....... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:26:55 -0600 From: Valerie Iglar-Mobley Subject: Celluloid Sound To: The Gary Digest Dear Numanoids all, Harold asked what our fave soundtracks are and I couldn't resist. I love soundtracks; instrumental music meant to accompany film always seems so evocative. 1) Escape From New York 2) JFK 3) The Nightmare Before Christmas 4) West Side Story 5) Until The End Of The World Honorable Mention: The Unborn 1) I think John Carpenter is brilliant. He's a low-budget director who somehow is able to create tremendous moving pictures with his humble means, AND he composes and creates his own scores. His biggest "hit" would have to be that haunting 'Halloween' theme, but this one is more electronic, something either Kraftwerk or our Man could've come up with at the height of their games. 2) Stirring, stirring music, from a film that literally changed my life. Just that opening drum roll is enough to make me want to go storm the barricades. 3) I thought Oingo Boingo were quirky and fun, but who'd've known Danny Elfman would be even better going solo and coming up with these off-beat, dark, quirky and fun film scores? Without a doubt, his masterpiece. It may come off sounding like children's music, but some dj played "This Is Halloween" here at Neo one All Hallow's Eve, and all the gothers swarmed the dancefloor. 4) I grew up with this one; it's in my blood. It used to get played every year on one of the local television stations, and I'd run around and jump up and down on the couches in my parents house (hey, come on, I was a kid at the time! Okay, it was last year.) and sing along with all the songs, even though I knew almost none of the words. Always identified with Baby John, me. And then the next day, all the kids in my neighborhood would be walking up and down the streets in groups, snapping their fingers. Years later, in DC for the Gay Rights March in '93, I passed a group of guys singing the "Jet Song." 5) I usually don't get into soundtracks that are just collections of pop songs; that's not a soundtrack to my ears, just another hits compilation. This one is different. In 1991, Wim Wenders approached the groups here and told them he was shooting a film set in the far-off future of 1999 (video phones! on-board car computers with road maps!) and asked them to create music they imagined would be the sound of that future. It was the end of the 80s but, nonetheless, the general feeling among musicians was that the music of the future would be... New Wave. Well, well, well. All the songs are atmospheric and blend together to create a cohesive whole, and with the sprinkling of incidental music by Graeme Revell (formerly of SPK) this disc sounds like what would've happened if This Mortal Coil had gone pop and gotten a major label contract. Honorable mention... I love horror movies, particularly ones that are scary instead of just gory. And I love music that is creepy. I wish this guy would get tapped to do some more soundtracks. Hey, wasn't he supposed to do some music for a video game? Philip, "Call Out The Dogs" and "My Dying Machine" were included on 'New Dreams For Old' because they're singles... and because they're AWESOME! Among the very best that Gary has ever done. IMNSHO. love, Benjamin Iglar-Mobley http://home.earthlink.net/~iglarmobley P.S. More intelligent, more in control of his passions, less vulnerable to feminine temptations, more trustworthy... Al Gore is the Spock to Bill Clinton's Kirk. Am I the only one who's noticed this? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:51:58 GMT From: "Danny T" Subject: To: digest@garynumanfan.nu I hate to say it, but I suppose I owe everybody on ths list an apology. You received a couple angry messages frm me a few months ago, and nobody did anything to deserve them. I was fustrated at thetime because David Sylvian's newest album Dead Bees on a Cake just came out and I knew it was complete trash. I was mad Numan had put out so many albums, good and bad, all the while Sylvian had done so few, and not all of them were any good. I suppose you won't, but I hope some of you understand. Also, somebody said he thought I hadn't had sex in a long tme. I think that's rude to talk about somebody you don't know like tht. You just might be talking about something that is a sensitive issue with the person your talking to, so I think you should try to hve some respect for people. I don't get personal with other peoples problems. Hopefully this will be the last word on this matter. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:38:03 -0800 From: Derek Langsford Subject: Derek's top 5 lists To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU A fun thread to read so far. Thanks James for bringing the subject up. (Yes, I know this is not really Numan-related but it has generated interest and without acrimony). This has been very difficult for me as many of the artists I like have been around so long that they often have great, good, numbingly and average albums with some even producing terribly banal or boring albums in their catalogue. I am tempted to qualify each artist with periods rather than let people assume I like their whole catalogue: Kate Bush - but has faltered since "Hounds of Love" Tears for Fears - every album t(he)y have done has its moments OMD - after the glorious "Dazzle Ships" things went down hill fast IMO Talk Talk - After "Spirit of Eden" you have to try hard to keep interest, sadly. Ultravox (I really like the Ure-era stuff better "Vienna" through "Lament") Only new albums by Gary produce great anticipation in me. Special mentions for Peter Murphy - (uneven but when he's on, he's really on IMO), Peter Gabriel ("Us" was very disappointing), Mike Oldfield (can't believe he tried to sing on "Heaven's Open", Enigma (so far so good), Jean Michel Jarre ( I hear he sings on his latest - obviously didn't listen to Mike Oldfield's effort :-), Lightning Seeds (quality pop), John Foxx (see Peter Murphy), Human League, Genesis pre 1981. Fluffy albums in my collection due to reminiscing about my early years Abba - Arrival Phil Collins - No Jacket Required Madonna - Immaculate collection Kim Wilde - Singles ELO - Discovery Derek San Diego, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 04:16:15 EST From: "Steven Lilly" Subject: fave soundtracks To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU Saw the interesting tangent on the last Digest....favorite soundtracks? That got me thinking..what I like most about my favorite soundtracks are what I like most about a lot of Gary's best work: atmosphere. in no particular order... THIEF - Tangerine Dream (me too!) CAT PEOPLE - Giorgio Moroder w/David Bowie WHITE SANDS - Patrick O'Hearn METROPOLIS - Various, Moroder producing (Bonnie Tyler rocks.) HEAVY METAL - Various, Roy Thomas Baker main producer Later- Steve in Florida http://www.geocities.com/~stevorama ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:32:57 -0600 From: "Schmitt, Mark" Subject: Favorites... To: "'digest@garynumanfan.nu'" Non-Numan Favorites: 1. tori amos 2. miranda sex garden/mediaeval baebes 3. the misfits ('77-83)/samhain 4. devo 5. siouxsie & the banshees/the creatures Favorite Numan Song: 1. Face to Face -Mark Secret http://www.mp3.com/mounteresa http://www.mp3.com/childrenofgod ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:41:26 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Tressler Subject: Fluff Pieces To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU A few albums I may not be proud to own, but do: 1. Shania Twain: Come on Over (good looks, great voice, and the music's not too bad. All country should sound like this). 2. The Little Mermaid Soundtrack (it's just fun to listen to, OK?) 3. The first three albums (LPs) by Stevie Nicks. What was I thinking? 4. Star Wars and Other Galactic Funk (on 8-track!): what true Star Wars fan DIDN'T own this one? Mike T. >From the Top 10 Things Bill Clinton Would Say if He Were in Star Wars: 10. Well, it depends on your definition of *father*, Luke. 9. Who knew the Jedi Mind Trick could work on 250 million people all at once? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:17:40 GMT From: "James Chapman" Subject: Fluffy! To: digest@garynumanfan.nu While I like starting surveys,I also love participating in return. Just gotta hope the rsults don't get mixed up! :-) Top 5 Fluffy: Depeche Mode - Speak + Spell (probably because the album was played on one :) Erasure - The Circus OMD - Junk Culture China Crisis - Flaunt the Imperfection Yazoo - Upstatirs at Eric's Don't know if they exactly conform to the rules, but what the hell. PS. Ian, I'll allow Ultravox and related acts to count as one vote, being the generous soul that I am. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:15:28 +0300 From: chernoivs@horizon.ru Subject: Just one more "Top 5"... To: digest@garynumanfan.nu Hello everybody, My top5 are as follows: 1) Beborn Beton 2) And One 3) Dana International 4) C-Tek (aka Cyber-Teck) 5) Melotron Serge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:19:09 -0000 From: "A MCHAFFIE" Subject: London Meet ? To: "Gary Numan" Suggestio for all the London Numanoids. If anyone fancies a pre-pre-gig get together, I work now in a Gothic pub opposite Selfridges in North Audley Street called The Marlborough Head. If anyone fancies a getr together some time in the next few weeks it could be cool It would be good to get to know other London Numanoids. Also, Dave E, whats happened to the BLU list ??? Andy McHaffie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:21:26 -0000 From: "Gary Weir" Subject: More Top 5's To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seeing as others have given their's, here is mine: (no order) 1. The High Fidelity (ex Soup Dragons)=20 2. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds 3. Lloyd Cole 4. NIN 5. The Cramps Gary Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seeing as others have given their's, = here is mine:=20 (no order) 1. The High Fidelity (ex Soup Dragons)=20 2. Nick Cave and the Bad = Seeds 3. Lloyd Cole 4. NIN 5. The Cramps Gary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:31:34 -0000 From: "Brelades Medical Services" Subject: My Favourite Non Gary Numan Bands-Artists To: "Gary Numan" Hi everyone I thought I better add my top 5 artists other than the great one himself:- 5:- Jean Michel Jarre 4:- David Bowie 3:- Pink Floyd 2:- Blondie - Debbie Harry 1:- The Human League I hope some of you appreciate the great talent of the above. Well I will see you on the 15th. Graham FletcherGraham@btinternet.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:02:53 -0000 From: "ANDY TAYLOR" Subject: Mystery Voice To: "Numan" Does anybody know where the voices on some of the albums come from? I know Call Out The Dogs has a sample from Blade Runner on it, but I'm puzzled by the one's on Machine & Soul ("Everyday I feel a litttle more optimistic") and the few that appear on the Outland album. Sorry if this has been covered before. Also, my Top 5 are: 1) Frank Zappa 2) Captain Beefheart 3) Yello 4) Jean Michel Jarre 5) Army Of Lovers =A=N=D=Y=> www.shaffers-domain.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:55:39 -0000 From: "Phil Marsh" Subject: Non Numan Top 5 To: "Numan Digest" Funny how these poll things generate more mail than most other topics... May as well join in then! Don't know how many people read these and say "hmm, interesting", but here we go anyway - my Top 5 would be:- Mesh (no question - anyone into electronic music of any kind should at least give them a listen - www.mesh.co.uk) Ultravox (both incarnations) Aerosmith Nirvana Buddy Holly Leaves too many out, but top 5 means top 5, I guess... (Please God, this new email program sends this as plain text, the way I intended...). Phil phil.marsh@ndirect.co.uk http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~phil.marsh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:08:56 -0500 From: Cary Wiltz Subject: Not Psuedo Echo! To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU Correction, everyone! The title "Doot Doot" that I had mentioned in this same posting is by Freur and not Psuedo Echo! Let's revisit our Numan favorite with two runners up. Also, why is it your favorite? Try to be as objective as possible(i.e. do not write it is your favorite because of something personal going on in your life at the time nor whether or not you were falling a sleep, smoking a joint, eating or fucking at the time and something just "clicked" when you were listening to it). Block your mind from personal happenings and tell me why it is your favorite without the subjectivity...as if it were a "taste test" of some sort(need only comment on #1 and not necessarily the two runner ups) 1. Glitter & Ash. Well, I cannot think of any piece of music by Gary that expresses, in my mind, so much feeling through a keyboard due to the melody and harmonious sounds that is heard through pitch and vibrato. 2. Aircrash Bureau 3. Noise, Noise ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:25:49 -0000 From: Jason Warner Subject: Numan Intro's On Telekon are the Tops To: "'digest@GaryNumanFan.NU'" Numan Intro's On Telekon are the Tops For example, Remind Me to Smile, I Die You Die, This Wreckage, I Deam of Wires, The Joy Circuit and introductions like no other artist, they are so well thought outt hat each songs a winner within the first 30 seconds. MIDFY is another typical example of an excellent intro. Nuunaa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:58:30 EST From: JColl81871@aol.com Subject: The Church Of Gary Numan: A Dark Celebration To: numan@cs.uwp.edu Hello Everyone, The Church Of Gary Numan: A Dark Celebration will be released very shortly. It is a tribute to Gary Numan that I have recorded over the past several months. I have been working day and night (literally) with publishing companies and music licensing firms from LA, New York and London. Much progress has been made, and I am simply waiting for the paperwork to go through. I also have a video documentary on the making of The Church Of Gary Numan: A Dark Celebration. A friend of mine, Jason Gearin, and I have filmed the entire project from start to finish. We have spent weeks viewing the footage, various photographs taken along the way, weeded through interviews, studio footage, and such. The video documentary will also be available shortly, along with the CD. In between time, I have constructed a web site: www.churchofgarynuman.com, which is now online as a simple intro page and guestbook. The full site will be up on April Fool's Day. It will be very interactive and loaded with various rooms to visit. Some of the features include audio downloads from the CD, streaming video downloads from the video documentary, dozens of photographs of Gary on the Exile Tour in North America, original photography, my collection of multimedia Numan collectibles, and a chat room, just to name a few. I am very excited about the oportunity to release the CD, video and to launch this web site. I received an E-mail from Tony Webb giving me the go ahead. I cannot express what a dream come true this is for me. I have been a huge fan of Gary's since I was 14 years old. I am now 34 and still find him my greatest musical influence. I am sure that Numan fans everywhere feel the way I do towards Gary and his music. That is why I have called this whole project The Church Of Gary Numan. Jim Collins www.churchofgarynuman.com www.cesltd.net ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ****************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------- T H E G A R Y N U M A N D I G E S T is produced and distributed by Derek Langsford, Dave Datta, and Joey Lindstrom dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu, datta@cs.uwp.edu, Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU ------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, email: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, email: digest-request@GaryNumanFan.NU ------------------------------------------------------------------ The Gary Numan Digest is brought to you via Joey Lindstrom and the GaryNUmanFan server Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU All of the opinions in this digest belong to the respective authors and do not necessarily agree with those of the Digest Producers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Produced and distributed by Derek Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, mail to: digest@garynumanfan.nu If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, you can mail to digest-request@garynumanfan.nu --------------------------------------------------------------------------