Gary Numan Digest Thu, 20 Apr 2000 Volume 2 : Issue 31
Aaaaaah! What a short digest
Almond vs. Numan
Down at the old Shepherds Bush
even more numan covers
Gary Numan Digest V2 #30
Tending the Flock
The Church Of Gary Numan Web Site Updated
We Are So Fragile / Fluffy
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:02:13 EDT
Subject: (no subject)
Welcome to the Church of Gary
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:48:07 +0100
Subject: Aaaaaah! What a short digest
To: Gary Numan
Only three messages. Rather short.
I am planning to do a review of the EXCELLENT
concert before Thursday, but in the meantime,
yes, what superb B sides we have. Like Mark
The Image Is
I Don't Believe
We Are So Fragile
must be three of the best,
but what about
Time To Die
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:09:07 +0200
From: Tomas Eriksson
Subject: Almond vs. Numan
Hope this hasn't been brought up already...
There has been some talk about the antagonism between Gary and Marc
Almond on this list before; I found this little comment from Marc on
the subject (from the interview section of his official site
www.marcalmond.co.uk, great site btw). Sort of friendlyish, don't you
think? Time to bury the hatchet?
>Another question from The Wicked Witch Of The Web: 'Say something nice about Gary >Numan... Oh, go on, please, just for me!' she says.
>Well, apparently, Gary's not a big fan of mine and has said some rather unpleasant things >about me (laughs) and it's not surprising really because I suppose back in the early eighties I >said a few unpleasant things about Gary Numan. But in those days that's how it
>was you just said bitchy and unpleasant things about everybody, everybody did, so it wasn't >something that I really meant or took to heart, in fact when I used to DJ I used to play Gary's >records quite a lot, so, you know, I've nothing against him, I wish him the best
>and I think it's great that he's been re-discovered, it's wonderful, there's room for everybody >so people shouldn't take to heart things that maybe I said in the early eighties because I think >I probably slagged everybody off then!
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:50:11 +0100
Subject: Down at the old Shepherds Bush
To: Gary Numan
For the sake of the fans overseas, and everyone who could not
make the concert on Saturday night, here are some of my
thoughts about it.=20
I was up in the first balcony, and was next to an 18-year old
girl in full Goth gear, who had never seen Gary before, but who
said, =93You have to come and pay homage, don=92t you...=94
She is a NIN fan, but read about Trent Reznor=92s respect for
Gary, not to mention everybody else=92s. She came up from=20
Hastings without a ticket, and paid 40 pounds (face value 15)
to a tout to get in.
I did not have my watch on, so I cannot give any timings,=20
but the support group, Inertia, came on. My Gothic friend had
seen them before. The singer had a black T-shirt and tight silver
trousers, all sprayed in with his silver boots. He had great
enthusiasm, and sounded to me like he must have modelled
himself on Trent Reznor for style. He was not quite sure what
to do on stage, but still paced all over it - I suppose gesture
and pose were what he lacked. He also bounced up and down
from time to time, but never in time to the music! There were two=20
keyboard players, both of whom held on to their keyboards as if=20
they were afraid that gravity was suddenly going to fail, and they=20
needed to be held down. There was a lot ot stuff on tape or
pre-programmed on machines, especially the powerful, fast,
rythyms. The one I could not keep my eyes off was the =93drummer=94
- a red-headed girl in a red and black gothic outfit and a pair of=20
white wings. She did bounce more or less in time to the music, and=20
had three pads in front of her to belt now and then, to supplement
the driving drum machine beat. Their music was, well, industrial?
I didn=92t think they were too bad at all, and their songs were better
than most support band songs for catchiness or melody. The singer
thanked Gary for inviting them, and they did suffer a little bit from
impatient fans shouting =93Nooooomuuuuuuun=94 from time to time.
They all had to come back on to help their roadies clear up their
equipment. Then after a bit, the house lights went out, and the
Intro started. It sounded like it would become =93FRIENDS - NEW
VERSION=94, and so it did, as the band came on. So the first=20
song was, I suppose, =93PURE=94. Certainly it has changed in structure
from =93Friends=94, as well as having completely different words.
2. Unbelievable. Gary played =93THIS WRECKAGE=94. Well=20
appreciated, plenty of crowd singing. I had never heard this song
live - I expect someone will tell us when he last performed it!
It was a great start!
3. =93FILMS=94 Can=92t go wrong with this one. Crowd loved it.
4. =93ANGEL WARS=94. This is a great song any time. Can you
imagine being there, those of you who weren=92t?
5. =93M.E.=94 None of your =93Call out the Dogs=94 stuff tonight!
6. =93A QUESTION OF FAITH=94. Good.
7. =93CARS=94. This was fun, and he could hardly try and leave
this one out again!
8. =93DOWN IN THE PARK=94. What a terrific song this is!=20
>From up in the balcony, the synth sounds were coming through
quite clean, and giving you a chance to wallow in them.
9. a NEW ONE. This could easily grow on people, if they heard
it. The chorus line seemed to be something about =93Your Heart
Of Stone=94. Yes, a worthwhile song. I was at Nottingham when
Gary did a new song and lost his place in it. This had more going
for it than that one. (This is where someone mails in and says
it was the same one, you are an idiot, Vickers)
10. =93REMEMBER I WAS VAPOUR=94. Oh, this was a real treat.
The lights were red and yellow the whole time, and not flashing
different mood changes. He had the crowd in his hand, as he
smoothly sang this in emotional style.
11. =93YOU WALK IN MY SOUL=94. Change of colour, but still
had the crowd entranced. This song is probably too mushy for
most British Numanoids (for you overseas, we can get=20
embarrassed by too much display of feeling, which is probably
why some people don=92t like the song, =93Absolution=94.), but if
Westlife or Boyzone were offered this song, it would be a surefire
number one hit. How would Gary feel about that?
12. =93DARK=94. It was.
13. =93VOIX=94. This is another great song, even if I have never
mastered the chorus.
14. =93SLEEP BY WINDOWS=94. I bet some people are skipping
this list through sheer frustration at having to miss such terrific
songs. They might have decided that the Australians were not
worthy to hear this track, and dropped it from Telekon down=20
under, but it was well appreciated in London on Saturday. This
was another first for me. Just thinking about those synth sounds
sends shivers down my spine.
15. Another NEW one. In its backing it was in the same general=20
style as the new =93Friends/Pure=94, but with very powerful singing,
and the chorus was something like, =93Hey, I=92ve Got Nothing For
You=94. (As a general note, the words of most of the songs came
over loud and clear. Gary avoided songs like =93Dominion Day=94,
which have low melody lines, and are therefore inaudible.)
16. =93ARE =91FRIENDS=92 ELECTRIC?=94 Well, yes, if they are
switched on by Gary=92s music. The crowd was.
=93Good night, thank you.=94 Off for a quick mineral water.
17. =93DESIRE=94, I think. I get my Sacrifice titles muddled sometimes.
Then Gary explained, and I am not sure that anyone has mentioned
this in the Digest, that Norman Lees, the other stunt pilot that flew
with Gary as, =93The Radial Pair=94, was killed in a Spitfire crash the
previous Saturday. The plane, with two pilots on board, suddenly
headed for the ground, and that was it. He then said that the next
song was inappropriate, but he was singing it anyway, and he did
18. =93WHISPER OF TRUTH=94. It=92s quite a nice song, but it wavers=20
a bit on the chorus... I don=92t remember Gary doing it live before.
19. =93DEADLINER=94. There are some good songs on Sacrifice.
=93Good night, thank you.=94 Off for some Veno=92s.
20. Gary explained that when they recently remastered =93Dance=94,
they discovered a song actually called, =93DANCE=94! He didn=92t
remember writing it, or recording it, or anything about it, but there
it was, so they played it! Always sings the same songs, eh?
21. What has that acoustic guitar been doing sitting there all=20
evening. Ah, waiting to see if he will finish with, =93JO THE WAITER=94.
It=92s a good song, that, isn=92t it? For this track, Ade Orange came
down to play bass, it looked like John Webb appeared from
somewhere to do Ade=92s keyboards, and I think that the other
keyboard player was new anyway.
Richard Beasley was on drums, and Steve Harris on guitar. Did
some of his puppet on a string dancing again, quite entertaining.
I thought to myself, no-one can possibly whinge about this concert.
But as I walked down the road, I heard a woman saying, =93Not
as good as the one at the Astoria=94...... I suppose it=92s a way of=20
getting a conversation going, really. You had such a good time,
that you want to keep living it, and you do that by drawing=20
people into a conversation about it, and you do that by getting
them going, and you do that by listing some of the 200 songs that
he didn=92t decide to sing. =93I thought he might do, =93I Sing Rain=94,
and then maybe, =93Bridge, What Bridge?=94, and he could have
sung =93Puppets=94, and he could have trained his dog to sing the
R.S.P.C.A. version of, =93I Still Remember=94..........
I enjoyed it. THANK YOU, GARY!
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 11:00:57 EDT
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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:01:44 CDT
From: "jared cook"
Subject: even more numan covers
Hey, this is Jared and I'm back with more info on (and pleads for copies
of Numan covers. First I'd like to give a quick thanks to Ben Iglar-Mobley
(thanks to whom i should have the GoaWFC soon). And I forgot about three
other versions of Cars to list last time:
1. Abunai - rock instrumental. Not bad all things considered. I got
this as an mp3 and then burned to cd. You should be able to find
it on alltheweb.com or some other big search engine.
2. Hole (Rumours, Lies, and Media Rape [bootleg]) - Only about 1:12 in
length but it's okay in spite of Courtney changing the lyrics
(bitch). Those of you on napster might be able to snag a copy,
but don't hold your breath.
3. Uthanda (Believe) - Christian rock band version. Why a christian
rock band did a numan song escapes me, but it's pretty good
actually. More faithful than Hole's (and absolutely no preaching
during the song).
4. Mase "No Matter What" (Double Up) - Just a sample, so it's not
really a cover. Stay away from this one, unless you really want
to hear Puff Daddy say "yeah yeah" over the Cars beat countless
Now I'll list all the covers of "Are 'Friends' Electric?" I have for those
of you interested. Of course, each artist changes the song somehow to make
it their own (interpretation if you will) besides just a change in the
instruments used. Some covers are 'straight' (deadsy for example. mostly
true to the original) and some are 'interpretations' (EMF works for me, the
I'll try to explain the differences in each song.
1. Devoid (To Cut a Long Story Short) - Pretty good, and has an
aggressive slant. Purists be warned, Devoid drops the entire
second half of the song; in it's place is "i hate to ask, are
'friends electric?" said over and over.
2. Generator (Are 'Friends' Electric? [single]) - Imagine Michael
Bolton singing AFE and there you have it. Awful. Yes, I know
Numan sang duet on this, and some of the music itself is nice
as well as the back up singers but i hate the lead guys Boltonish
3. Information Society (Don't Be Afraid) - One of my favorite covers.
Emphasis is added on the "this meant everything to ME!" parts and
I think it works very well. It also has a nice 'thrust' to it.
4. Molly Half Head (Shine [single]) - Fairly good, similar to InSoc's.
Replaces final 'chorus' with a repeat of the first one though.
5. Moloko (Random) - You all know about this one. I like the bass,
but dislike the vocal delivery (it's just plain annoying).
6. An Pierle (Random) - Great piano version. Though why she found it
necessary to abandon half the song and add new nonensical lyrics I
don't know. I still like it though.
7. Reload (Tubeway Navy) - Pretty snazzy. Might be the quickest paced
out of all of them. Also a fairly straight cover. You can find a
copy at www.reload-music.com.
8. Replicants (Replicants) - Also a good one. Song is changed by
repeating the "only mine's broke down, and now i've no one to love"
line several times at the end. Works good for me.
9. Republica (Random) - Fair version. Numan's presence by itself
doesn't add that much to it. I do like Saffrons voice though.
That about does it for all the AFEs that i own. But i need my fellow Numan
fans help to get more. I'm perfectly willing to trade a cd of a bunch of
numan covers for one of these (I'll also just pay if no one's interested in
a trade). However, if the songs are available on
cd then that's what i would prefer them on. If the song is only available
on tape or vinyl then of course a cassette copy (or original, cassette or
vinyl; remember i'll pay!) would be fine.
I'm looking for the following AFEs:
1. Amoeba (UK Electronics vol. 2) - Maybe some of Brits can help me
out. It's available only on cassette, so obviously a taped copy
would be good.
2. Armitage Shanks (picture disc) - However i can get it would make me
happy. Once again, this is directed at Brits.
3. Nancy Boy (AFE single) - If anyone has a cd of either one of the
singles, please let me know.
4. Shine (AFE single) - Also looking for a cd of this one.
5. Touch of Joy (Dance to the Rhythm) - this one would be nice also.
If anyone can help me out feel free to email me. Next time i' probably list
all the "Down in the Park" versions I have (as well as the ones I'm after,
damn i'm sneaky).
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 2:29:05 -0600
Subject: Gary Numan Digest V2 #30
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:44:29 +0100
From: email@example.com (Tim Houtby)
Subject: Mighty Wah!
Look - I KNOW that all the postings this week will be about the gig, but let
me just say this while it's still new:
While you're all waiting for September (?) for the new album, do yourself a
favour and buy the new Mighty Wah! album, Songs Of Strength & Heartbreak.
It's a good 'un and it's out now. Wylie's back!
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:10:53 -0500
Subject: Numan Videos
I'm thinking of taking the plunge and getting one or both of the videos
off of NuStreet (Dream Corrosion or Shadowman). Any suggestions or
reviews? I've got "all" the CDs, but I've never seen the man in concert,
and wonder if these videos are worth the money (i.e., sound quality, video
quality). Any advice is welcome. Thanks in advance.
"Do you laugh when the rats come round to play?"
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:16:26 +0000
From: Philip Lindsay
I guess Gary showed the doubters over the weekend!
That had to be one of the best gigs I've ever seen him play. Loads of different
songs - three brand new ones, This Wreckage, Sleep by Windows, Dance (!!!!!!!) etc
etc. Brilliant. He seemed to be on pretty good form too, except for the bad news
about Norman Lees. The sound was incredible, with the vocals being crystal clear
for the first time I can remember.
I just had a really great time, with an old friend who was the one who introduced
me to Gary's music in the first place. I hadn't seen him for 10 years, but he came
over from Dublin specially. It was cool to see him again, except for a minor
disagreement about the artistic validity of Warriors, I, Assassin and Berserker (I
love them, he hates them). All good natured, though!
If anyone has a setlist, I'd love a copy of it, because it seemed almost ideal. The
only fly in my ointment was that there was no Sleeproom, which was wonderful at the
last London gig. But you know us whingers, it's never going to be perfect....... it
wasn't far off this time though!
I've had my faith restored. I hope the new album lives up to my expectations now.
All the best,
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:47:35 -0700
From: Michael Tressler
Subject: Tending the Flock
Tim posted a few digests ago:
AFOS v GN - You are wasting your time. No comparison. End of story. (so
why did you keep going on, Tim?)
I could spend all day listing the GN winning points (eg 2 commercials
for 2 products (not 1), 2 No1 singles, playing Wembley, 2 tribute albums
(not 1), a 22 year uninterupted career, etc, etc etc). But most of those
things are just trivial.
I think you summed up AFOS perfectly yourself by admitting that they are
more remembered for hair than their music.
And I don't recall Manson, Beck, Bambaataa, Albarn, et all name-checking
an AFOS influence.
I rest my case. (end of Tim's post).
My, aren't some of us just a little bit touchy?
Actually, Tim, I was in no way, shape or form saying or even implying
that A Flock of Seagulls are better than Gary Numan, otherwise why would
I have included the Numan accomplishments at all? Ever hear of something
called Compare and Contrast? You hit the nail on the head with the word
Trivial. That's all this was. Just a bunch of trivia I had rolling
around my brain and I decided to let it out and have a little fun with
it. A couple people on the digest might have been surprised to know that
the Flock won a Grammy. And you of course just educated me on the fact
that Gary had two No. 1 singles... But just in England, right? Here in
the U.S., Gary had one top 40 hit (and I don't know if it even broke the
top 10), and that's it. That's why he'll forever be known as a One Hit
Wonder over here. And I could have used just about anybody else in this
comparison, its just that I'm a fan of the Flock as well as Numan and
happended to know a few trivial facts about each.
I would tend to believe that AFOS is as much a part of the 80's New Wave
history (in America) as Gary, if not more. Mention AFOS to just about
anyone who listens to music and they could at least name I Ran as their
big song. Conversly, mention I Ran and they would know who recorded it
(maybe that hair thing jogs the memory). On the other hand, i don't know
how many times I've said to someone, Do you remember the song Cars? And
after singing a bit of it, they say, Oh yeah, that was Randy Newman,
right? And again, when asking someone if they remember Gary Numan, they
say, Yeah, he sang Short People, right? (thinking of Randy again). A
couple of my friends own the Best of AFOS CD, yet they would laugh in my
face if I suggested they buy Premier Hits. All I'm saying is that here
in America AFOS is more a part of the overall collective musical memory
than Gary Numan is. That doesn't make them better. Even if I thought
they were better than Gary I sure wouldn't say it on the digest! And if
I were going to do so, I would pick a much stronger artist or band to go
up against Numan that way. What I will go ahead and say is that AFOS
First Album is just as good as or better than anything Numan has done
(in my humble opinion, now). As a new-wave record its a classic, and as
a rock album it kicks ass. Subsequent albums steadily declined in
quality, but each had at least a couple good, standout tracks (kind of
like Numan in the mid to late 80s, eh?)
And I didn't say AFOS are remembered MORE for the hair than the music, I
said the hair JUST AS MUCH as the music (I'm not shouting, by the way,
just emphasizing). The former may be true, but I'm not of that opinion.
Personally, I'm glad that Numan has influenced alot of new artists. But
I'm sure that somewhere, someone has been influenced musically by the
Flock, even if just barely.
Let me make you feel better by summing up, as if I were writing a
conclusion to a compare and contrast paper for English Class.
Although A Flock of Seagulls had more U.S. Top 40 hits (4) and are
generally remembered more by the general U.S. music-listening population
than Gary Numan, it is Numan who has had a far more prolific career,
releasing an album nearly every year for over twenty years, maintaining
a large following and even influencing some of today's most popular
Now I rest MY case.
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 12:11:49 EDT
Subject: The Church Of Gary Numan Web Site Updated
Hello Numan Fans,
The Church of Gary Numan web site www.churchofgarynuman.com has been updated
on 04.15.00. It now contains video downloads from the soon to be released
Video Documentary, my personal Numan collection (most of it), and ambient
music elements to match each page you browse. The News Room has been updated
as well. We are still working on the sound clips of each song from the
upcoming CD: The Church Of Gary Numan: A Dark Celebration.
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:45:29 +0100
Subject: The Wannadies
To: "Gary Numan Digest"
Found this at : http://www.dotmusic.com/news/lostinmusic/99sep14.asp
"The Wannadies, and we just talked about how great their new single 'Yeah'
is sounding. Due out in March 2000, I think it sounds like a mix of Gary
Numan meets Jane's Addiction. and it rocks."
Anybody hear this? The last few comparisons to Numan (Add X to N,
Appliance,)just didn't do it for me, but this could be interesting.
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:37:20 -0400
From: Matthew Roberts
Subject: We Are So Fragile / Fluffy
To: Gary Numan
"Here is a question that may already be answered. What was the first song=
which Gary really put the keyboard to work? I have always thought that "W=
are so Fragile" sounds like his first effort, but don't really know where=
that one falls with regards to the 78/79 timeline. Could I be close?"
This is an old question and I don't know if its been answered already, bu=
what the hell.
We Are So Fragile was a late track, recorded after most of the Replicas
sessions (see Frankie D's liner notes in BEGA152CD). I believe there are
some primitive keyboards on "The Plan", so it seems Gary became acquainte=
with synthesizers very early on - perhaps on one of his very first visits=
to a recording studio.
Top 5 "fluffy" albums? What's that, albums you really shouldn't own? Well=
mine could be:
The Best of Cameo
Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
Rickie Lee Jones - Rickie Lee Jones
Randy Newman - Lonely At The Top
Stevie Wonder - Innervisions
Although obviously I SHOULD own them.... It's worth mentioning something
I've alluded to in the past. I think all music that is created with care
and feeling is worth listening to, be it John Cage or John Cale. Don't
snigger when people say they like George Michael or Oasis.
The only music that can be dismissed out of hand is what I think of as
production line music. Music written by producers with the specific goal =
shifting units (as opposed to trying to write popular music). Music like
Robbie Williams, Shania Twain, Celine Dion, Andrew Lloyd Webber et al, al=
of which is the spawn of Satan and should be resisted with your dying
breath... Unfortunately it's not always easy to spot, and very, very
occasionally something worthwhile comes out of it by accident.
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:52:50
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ADDRESS OR COMPLAIN. OUR ORDER LINE IS NOT SETUP TO FORWARD
YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS REMOVAL REQUESTS OR PROCESS YOUR
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HANDLED.PLEASE CALL OUR TOLL FREE E-MAIL REMOVAL AND
COMPLAINT LINE TO DO THAT.
NOTE NUMBER (2):
OUR E-MAIL RETURN ADDRESS IS NOT SETUP TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE REGARDING OUR PRODUCTS. OUR E-MAIL
RETURN ADDRESS IS ALSO NOT SETUP TO TAKE ANY ORDERS AT
THIS TIME. PLEASE CALL THE ORDER LINE TO PLACE YOUR ORDER
OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ANSWERED. OTHERWISE PLEASE CALL OUR
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