Gary Numan Digest Thu, 11 May 2000 Volume 2 : Issue 37 Today's Topics: Cars Release Armand Van Helden Claire Hamill Favorite Author Humour : (delete) Jo Whiley Kraftwerk Least Favorites (or most hated?) Least favourite Numan track... NUMAN items for sale singles that should have been. the hits that might have been Top 20 Numan tunes Trio White Boys & Heroes ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:57:11 +0100 From: "Denis James" Subject: Cars Release Armand Van Helden To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just my own opinion of course , having bought both releases yesterday = Monday 8th May. I am really sorry Armand, but really your scratching = really didn't impress but irritate, after such hype I was expecting so = much. What a great shame. How this is meant to be a club hit ??. Give = me my original any day. In fact all covers and subsequent remixes of = Cars were all quite interesting , even clubby and very danceable. = "Dear Gary" , I sincerely hope that this has done you no harm. A great = conciliation to you any way is, it just proves what a remix 'Mighty' = Musician you really are. If there is any cash to be made from that = record all I can say is that you deserve every penny of it. And before = readers asume that I am just a really boring old stick in the mud, 'I = Love clubbing and dancing !.. An even much more devoted Numanoid=20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just my own opinion of course , = having bought=20 both releases yesterday Monday 8th May. I am really sorry Armand, but = really=20 your scratching really didn't impress but irritate, after such = hype I was=20 expecting so much. What a great shame. How this is meant to be a = club hit=20 ??. Give me my original any day. In fact all covers and subsequent = remixes=20 of Cars were all quite interesting , even clubby and very = danceable. =20 "Dear Gary" , I sincerely hope that this has done you no = harm. A=20 great conciliation to you any way is, it just proves what a remix = 'Mighty'=20 Musician you really are. If there is any cash to be made from that = record all I=20 can say is that you deserve every penny of it. And before readers = asume=20 that I am just a really boring old stick in the mud, 'I Love clubbing = and=20 dancing !.. An even much more devoted Numanoid=20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:17:43 +1000 From: "FJF" Subject: Claire Hamill To: Can anyone advise the level of Numan content on the Claire Hamill CD 'Touch Paper'? Thanks in anticipation E. Bunce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:32:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Tressler Subject: Favorite Author To: digest@GaryNumanFan.nu Shawn Gean wrote: Gary had actually been reading Clive Barker, who happens to be my FAVORITE author... If you like Exile... you should try the Damnation game, or Imagica for a start... or Books of Blood if you like short stories.... Pretty cool that Gary was reading Clive, my favorite writer as well. My suggestion, for anyone wanting to try one of his books, is WeaveWorld, my all-time favorite book (until someone writes something better, which is doubtful). Also good for the first-time-Barker-reader is The Great And Secret Show, probably his second-best book. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:05:19 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Linda=20Astrup?= Subject: Humour : (delete) To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU I found a quote in a book I'm reading and although it is a generalization about the musicbiz, I still thought this quote was quite applicable to Gary : " .....and, as genuine innovators in a medium too used to graceless mavericks, they [eg. Gary!] have remained within a largely marginalized sphere of influence." Now to a question : I'm planning to get Biblioquest International to find Gary Numan : The Autorized Biography book for me, but it would help greatly if someone could tell me WHEN it was published - Thank You! Now to some PunFun!: Lying in my bed a few nights ago, quite bored I was, the melody of Cars popped into my brain (as happens every once in a while) but the words were not quite the same! : "Here in the bar I know I've started to think about picking a fight because no one seems bright in bars!" Cheers, everybody! Linda 'So mindblowing you could've gone windsurfing!' ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:22:48 +0100 From: Matthew Tamea Subject: Jo Whiley To: "'Numan Digest'" I need more sleep! Just about to go to bed last night when I noticed that Jo Whiley was the next program on..."might as well see who's on" I thought, despite my heavy eyelids...lo and behold, there he is...a stroke of luck considering I never normally watch the program. Gaz was pretty funny on it. Seems to be very pleased with Armand Van Helden, namely cos he's getting a wadge of cash from it...oh yes, and also due to "artistic" reasons of course!! He got very heated near the end of the show when the group were commenting on a new song and video from Kelis (I HATE YOU SO MUCH RIGHT NOW - AAAAARRRRGHHHHH!!!!!! - oh be quiet!). He obviously is well pissed off with the state of British music, particularly R&B. quite funny to watch him - I though he was going to explode. The whole thing wasn't helped by the fact that there was some arrogant twat from Gomez on the program as well, who was a complete arse and obviously revelled in being so...still, made for interesting viewing!!! I thought Gaz was gonna punch him as time went on though! HAHAHA!!!! Matthew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:58:28 +0100 From: thoutby@fusiongroup.co.uk (Tim Houtby) Subject: Kraftwerk To: "Digest" Hello everyone I wonder if anyone can help - I'm looking for a non-Numan item this week. I'm hoping to get a copy of Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering. Audio would be ok (I think Radio1 broadcast some of their set), but I would really love to get a good quality video of it. Does anyone have something they might be willing to copy for me for a reasonable fee ?? Thanks Tim. ______________________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. For further information visit- http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:22:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Tressler Subject: Least Favorites (or most hated?) To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU Finally! Someone asked what our least favorite (is that an oxymoron?) Numan tune is. I'm more than glad to make a short list. 1. I Am Render. Winner of the OhMyGodDoesThisSongSUCK Award. Hate It Hate It Hate It. 2. A Subway Called You. Don't know how this piece of dung got included with some really great music on Dance. 3. The Crazies. I'm glad I never heard this one until 1998. Wish I could erase it (and those other two) from the CD. As the song's playing I keep expecting to hear Fred Shneider chime in with, "Deadbeat Club!" 4. The odd, assorted songs from albums I either don't listen to or don't own. There are several original Numan albums I don't have yet (gasp!), but i'm relatively sure there will be several songs that would make this list into a Top 10. Keep in mind that I have made every effort to TRY to like these songs, but just can't. I used to hate "Boys Like Me" as well until several years ago I gave it a few more listens. Now it's one of my favorites from Dance. So you can't say I haven't given these songs a chance. Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 16:33:19 +0100 From: colin_l Subject: Least favourite Numan track... To: digest@garynumanfan.nu I'm sure Gary's got quite a few himself that he considers his least favourite. Obvious examples would be songs that only appeared as B-sides, and others he hasn't, or can't perform live. The worst ever mistake he made in releasing a single was the edited version of Sister Surprise which from a epic length album openener. got edited down, and added-on John Webb's horrid sax, and Gary's additional vocals. He performed it on Top Of The Pops and it went down the next week. he admitted that there is something bloody wrong if he performs a song on TOTPs and it goes down the next week!!! Too right!!! :-) I'll look at my collection and get back to the newsgroup on this. I f fans are honest, they don't like every single track he recorded -Gary admits he doesn't like every track, so be honest everyone.... Having said that let's hope the new album is on the same level or more as Sacrifice. Colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 08:57:03 EDT From: HateGrape@aol.com Subject: NUMAN items for sale To: digest@garynumanfan.nu Upon my last visit to the Ebay auction site (Ebay.com), there were 104 Gary Numan items listed, including T-shirts, buttons, and rare 7" singles. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 22:03:14 BST From: "James Chapman" Subject: singles that should have been. To: digest@garynumanfan.nu Good idea this singles thing. Replicas: Good choice! TPP: Cars great then Metal instead of Complex Telekon: WAG and IDYD brilliant, then I'm An Agent instead of This Wreckage DAnce: Crash then You Are You Are I Assassin: Can't argue with the 3 chosen - maybe Noise Noise just sneaks infront of White Boys! Warriors: Can't suggest anything better! Berserker: Maybe A Child With the Ghost instead of MDM as it was released arund Christmas time...and the song sounds a bit Christmassy IMO :-) Fury: Tricks instaed of Miracles Strange Charm: Anything but The Need is fine by me for a single! Metal Rhythm: This Is Emotion instead of New Anger. Or reverser the sides of the single. Automatic: Excellent singles, iffy album tracks (some of them anyaway) Outland: My World Storm and Russia Infecyed M+S: JUst M+S and Skin Game Sacrifice: OK, but reverser the sides of Absolution. Exile: Dead Heaven before the album, then Angel Wars And Pulse Bass as the next one! Cheers James ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 14:33:44 -0500 From: Val & Ben Iglar-Mobley Subject: the hits that might have been To: The Gary Digest Dear all, I like Mark's question of what songs we think should've been singles, and his list definitely includes some superlative songs, but I have a different take on it. I think songs should get picked to be released as singles not necessarily because they're better songs, but because they're catchy. They should have some kind of hook. After all, the single isn't really an honorific intended to designate the superior songs from an album, but really is meant as a commercial for the full album. It's meant to grab the ear of the average listener (and not necessarily that of the devoted fan) and draw her or him in. Thinking in those terms, here are the songs I think could've qualified: Listen To The Sirens The Dream Police Me! I Disconnect From You Praying To The Aliens Films Remind Me To Smile Crash Strange Charm Respect Generator Love And Napalm ...and the absolute #1, most obvious, hands-down, no-contest, clearest example of a song mistakenly being passed over for a single: The Angel Wars Now, we should of course bear in mind that, given the Gary black-out that radio stations have informally agreed upon, the choice of which song becomes a single is almost meaningless. I doubt any of these that I've named would've changed that. Maybe the early ones, before the black-out, might've gotten some ariplay. Still, it's fun to speculate wildly. love to all, Ben http://home.earthlink.net/~iglarmobley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 13:38:38 EDT From: VRcadia@aol.com Subject: Top 20 Numan tunes To: digest@garynumanfan.nu I missed the issue, but from what I gather the question is Numan top 20 songs, here's mine in no particular order (sans Cars because we can all take that as read). 1 Warriors - Warriors 2 Time to die - Strange Charm - b-side 3 Voix - Metal Rythym 4 Bleed - Sacrifice 5 Dark - Exile 6 Are 'friends' electric? - Replicas 7 A subway I call 'you' - Dance 8 Tick tock man - I, Assassin 9 Metal (20th aniversary mix) - The Pleasure Principle 10 Alien Cure (extended mix) - Exile (extended mixes) 11 Pray (extended mix) - Sacrifice (extended mixes) 12 A question of faith - Sacrifice 13 We are glass - Dance 14 Me! I disconnect from you - Replicas 15 Down in the park - Replicas 16 Tricks - The Fury 17 The secret - Bezerker 18 Night talk - Dance 19 Boys like me - Dance 20 My breathing - Strange Charm And not a Numan written tune but he sang on it: 21 Stormtrooper in drag - Paul Gardiner single (kinda counts) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:54:53 +0100 From: thoutby@fusiongroup.co.uk (Tim Houtby) Subject: Trio To: "Digest" Hello again Heres another one. I'm also after some Trio CD's (remember them?). I know that around 3 different albums have been previously released on CD (around the end of the 80's / early 90's ?) in different countries. I just don't seem to be able to get hold of any. Does anyone have one they may be willing to sell, or does anyone know who may still have stock ??? I'm especially interested in the one titled just "Trio" with Da Da Da, Los Paul, Achtung Achtung etc on it. Heres hoping. Thanks Tim. ______________________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. For further information visit- http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 13:41:43 EDT From: VRcadia@aol.com Subject: White Boys & Heroes To: digest@garynumanfan.nu I love this track, especially because of Pino's double track of fretlass funk. Proof positive taste is subjective. "Mine is White Boys & Heroes (that bloody irritating sax & Pino Palladino's O.T.T. fretless ass, ooops! I meant bass, maybe I was right the first time !!!" ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ****************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------- T H E G A R Y N U M A N D I G E S T is produced and distributed by Derek Langsford, Dave Datta, and Joey Lindstrom dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu, datta@cs.uwp.edu, Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU ------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, email: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, email: digest-request@GaryNumanFan.NU ------------------------------------------------------------------ The Gary Numan Digest is brought to you via Joey Lindstrom and the GaryNUmanFan server Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU All of the opinions in this digest belong to the respective authors and do not necessarily agree with those of the Digest Producers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Produced and distributed by Derek Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, mail to: digest@garynumanfan.nu If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, you can mail to digest-request@garynumanfan.nu --------------------------------------------------------------------------