Gary Numan Digest Thu, 29 Jun 2000 Volume 2 : Issue 51 Today's Topics: Dig/En FAO MARTIN OXENHAM Gary Numan Digest V2 #50 Guestbook Reviews for Church CD Nazi Criticism racism, Ask Cedric Sharpley Returned mail: Can't create output SSS news Vile Whiley we all rearrange the same old song ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:32:38 PDT From: "William Wilson" Subject: Dig/En To: digest@garynumanfan.nu Hi! All, Just a little query,dose anyone on the digest have anything on tape from any of the Dig/En gigs (possibly Glasgow at the John Foxx gig).E-mail me please William Wilson (Glasgow Crazie!) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:07:13 +0100 From: thoutby@fusiongroup.co.uk (Tim Houtby) Subject: FAO MARTIN OXENHAM To: "Digest" Martin - I lost your e-mail address. The CD never arrived - did you send it?? Let me know. Cheers, Tim. ________________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses, by Star Internet, delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. For further information visit: http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:32:16 +0100 From: pdutton2@gm.dreamcast.com Subject: Gary Numan Digest V2 #50 To: digest@garynumanfan.nu has anyone got a copy of MICRO MUSIC ??? or can get me a copy, i have been in search of this for years........... ..PLEASE HELP. any ideas please mailme on paul.dutton2@uk.dreamcast.com > Gary Numan Digest Sun, 25 Jun 2000 Volume 2 : Issue 50 > > Today's Topics: > Dramatis CD > Gary a Nazi? > Mark Webb? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:33:32 EDT > From: BDay0000@aol.com > Subject: Dramatis CD > To: digest@garynumanfan.nu > > Does anyone have the ability to create a Dramatis Anthology or Best of on CD? > I haven't had a turntable in years and my cassettes wore out long ago I > would be glad to reimburse for any expense. > > Thanks, > > Brad Day > Atlanta, GA > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:05:55 +0100 > From: "Antonio" > Subject: Gary a Nazi? > To: "Gary Numan" > > Chris said, > > >I got to see this Jo Wiley show thanks to my DSL line, and the Replic ants > >website. I remeber the comment of which Jo speaks, but I didn't reall y > think > >it was racist. Maybe a tad ignorant, since the video they showed was the > >same type of faceless R & B band they play over here in American, som e > >happen to be white a lot happend to be black, but all sound the same. Given > >Gary's limited education I blew it off as him being misinformed. I ha ve to > >put up with truly racist people everyday. His comment meant nothing t o me, > >but then I happen to be white. Did his comment bother anyone else on the > >digest? Here in the U.S. being branded a racist can follow you around > >forever, I'm sure it's probably the same way in Britain. Gary still g ets > >very little publicity over here I would hate to see articles about hi m > >ending in "Oh by the way, he's racist". > > > I don't think he was misinformed nor offensive in any way. I watched the > interview, videoed it and have watched it again after this latest > 'controversy' and there is absolutely nothing Numan says which could b e > labelled 'racist'. He critisised R&B music, that is all. The Kellis single > which had been played Numan even excluded from what he was talking abo ut - > 'Not so much that song, in itself, but a lot of the songs like that on e'. > He makes no reference whatsoever to the colour of the performers, and Tom > from Gomez was agreeing with Gary all the way, it seemed to me - and n o-one > labelled him a racist (probably because he's middle class and universi ty > educated) > > Disliking R&B music does NOT make anyone a racist. R&B is in a pitifu l > state at the moment, and it needs to be critisised - it is boring, saf e and > repetetive. While there is some R&B which transcends this - the likes of > TLC spring to mind - the fact remains that most of what makes the char ts > from this particular genre of music is nothing more than shite. If yo u want > to call me a racist for saying that, go ahead - because you would be v ery > wrong. My girlfriend hates R&B too, and she's black. > > I don't even think Heat or Jo Whiley have any argument, I actually thi nk > gary should sue the magazine and miss Whiley for slander, and I think Numan > fans should boycott this magazine and let them know why they have lost > thousands of potential readers. Racism is an evil, nasty thing and to > accuse someone of it just because they slag off a musical genre for it 's > musical content and nothing else is just plain wrong. Gary was absolu tely > right to write in to Heat to set the record straight, but I think that their > 'apology' is just not good enough. Jo Whiley should also apologise. > > What makes the whole thing even more obnoxious is that Gary praised th e > Maxim/Skin song to high heaven, said how much he admires and likes Sku nk > Anansie - this is not the language of a racist. Disliking r&b does not > amount to racism - morover, assuming that R&B means BLACK music is, to my > very left wing mind, offensive. Jo Whiley and Heat are the racists he re. > It's as if they are saying, 'Oh, you HAVE to like R&B because thats th e only > music black people produce, and we do like to appear politically corre ct.' - > this sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? But no more ridiculous than what was > said about Gary's comments. Heat is a racist magazine. Jo Whiley is a > racist. Until they write in here and explain why their assumptions th at > black people should only make certain types of music are not racist, I will > not retract my comments. HA! > > Antonio > I am a poseur and I don't care, I like to make people stare! > (X-Ray Spex) > http://www.goffboi.freeserve.co.uk > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:35:48 EDT > From: KethScott@aol.com > Subject: Mark Webb? > To: digest@garynumanfan.nu > > Can anyone help me validate the authenticity of someone I met on Napst er?? > He claimed to be Gary's second cousin, named Mark Webb. Said Gary's d ad Tony > was his Mom's uncle. He told me anecdotes of hanging with Gary in the day, > and that he did some sound engineering on DANCE. He claims to be in > possession of two songs stolen from the Dance session. (which he, of course, > promised to send me, along with a scan of the handwritten cover, listi ng all > possible tracks.) Says he is a system analyst now or something like t hat. > He even (supposedly) coughed up Gary's handle on Microsoft's Comic Cha t, and > even his usual chat times.... > > As I re-read this, I realize how gullible I can be sometimes! Anyone' s > thoughts would be appreciated! > > Keith > > ------------------------------ > > End of Gary Numan Digest > ****************************** > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > T H E > G A R Y > N U M A N > D I G E S T > > is produced and distributed by > Derek Langsford, Dave Datta, and Joey Lindstrom > dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu, datta@cs.uwp.edu, Joey@GaryNumanFa n.NU > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > To reply to the messages in this list, email: > > digest@GaryNumanFan.NU > > If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, email: > > digest-request@GaryNumanFan.NU > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Gary Numan Digest is brought to you via > Joey Lindstrom and the GaryNUmanFan server > Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU > > All of the opinions in this digest belong to the respective authors an d do > not necessarily agree with those of the Digest Producers. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Produced and distributed by Derek Langsford > dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > To reply to the messages in this list, mail to: > > digest@garynumanfan.nu > > If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, you can mail to > > digest-request@garynumanfan.nu > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:58:44 EDT From: JColl81871@aol.com Subject: Guestbook Reviews for Church CD To: digest@garynumanfan.nu I would like to thank Tommy (New York), Rick (DC), and Simone and Norman (Germany) for placing your comments in The Church Of Gary Numan Guestbook. Anyone else who has purchased and listened to the CD is welcomed to place their critique of The Church Of Gary Numan: A Dark Celebration in the guestbook. Thanks again guys! Jimmy <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<><><><><><><><><> The Church Of Gary Numan: A Dark Celebration The Much Awaited American Tribute to Gary Numan To Hear Samples of the CD or to Order The Church Of Gary Numan: A Dark Celebration Please Visit Welcome to the Church of Gary Numan! www.churchofgarynuman.com jim@churchofgarynuman.com Jim Collins PO Box 5158 Poland, Ohio 44514 USA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:23:31 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?R=20Bell?= Subject: Nazi Criticism To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU Re; The 'Nazi' comment... I, in no way whatsoever, imagine in my wildest dreams that Gary is racist at all. Nor is he ignorant to any level of 'PC' that should or should not be adopted; he, just like many other people, finds a lot of the R&B stuff ... well ... a pile of shite basically! Mind you, I did have a chuckle as to Antonio's comment copied below: >>R&B is in a pitiful state at the moment, and it >>needs to be critisised - it is boring, safe and >>repetetive. YEP! I agree with you Antonio - but we'd better be careful with our criticisms, otherwise an R&B artist who runs his/her own web site may just read it, throw a tantrum and slag us all off on his/her web site and in his/her fan-club newsletter... You know how tetchy these strugglin' pop stars can be! ;-) Miaowww!!!! Heh, heh, heh..... ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:05:51 EDT From: MHENSON305@aol.com Subject: racism, Ask Cedric Sharpley To: digest@garynumanfan.nu Hi beveryoddy!, To find out if Gary is a racist, maybe someone should ask Cedric Sharpley or Valerie & Emma Chalmers, who were backing singers on the Exhibition tour. Or then again, maybe Gary hired them as slaves!!!!!!!! I F#%#ing think not don't you. Nuff said! Mark Henson (a Pagan Dub Lord). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 03:23:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: Can't create output To: This is a MIME-encapsulated message --DAA09551.961917820/glitch.crosswinds.net The original message was received at Sun, 25 Jun 2000 03:23:37 -0400 (EDT) from [212.250.180.5] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- procmail: No space left to finish writing "/var/mail/p/p/e/pperkins" 550 ... 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Mark Webb? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:33:32 EDT From: BDay0000@aol.com Subject: Dramatis CD To: digest@garynumanfan.nu Does anyone have the ability to create a Dramatis Anthology or Best of on CD? I haven't had a turntable in years and my cassettes wore out long ago. I would be glad to reimburse for any expense. Thanks, Brad Day Atlanta, GA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:05:55 +0100 From: "Antonio" Subject: Gary a Nazi? To: "Gary Numan" Chris said, >I got to see this Jo Wiley show thanks to my DSL line, and the Replicants >website. I remeber the comment of which Jo speaks, but I didn't really think >it was racist. Maybe a tad ignorant, since the video they showed was the >same type of faceless R & B band they play over here in American, some >happen to be white a lot happend to be black, but all sound the same. Given >Gary's limited education I blew it off as him being misinformed. I have to >put up with truly racist people everyday. His comment meant nothing to me, >but then I happen to be white. Did his comment bother anyone else on the >digest? Here in the U.S. being branded a racist can follow you around >forever, I'm sure it's probably the same way in Britain. Gary still gets >very little publicity over here I would hate to see articles about him >ending in "Oh by the way, he's racist". I don't think he was misinformed nor offensive in any way. I watched the interview, videoed it and have watched it again after this latest 'controversy' and there is absolutely nothing Numan says which could be labelled 'racist'. He critisised R&B music, that is all. The Kellis single which had been played Numan even excluded from what he was talking about - 'Not so much that song, in itself, but a lot of the songs like that one'. He makes no reference whatsoever to the colour of the performers, and Tom from Gomez was agreeing with Gary all the way, it seemed to me - and no-one labelled him a racist (probably because he's middle class and university educated) Disliking R&B music does NOT make anyone a racist. R&B is in a pitiful state at the moment, and it needs to be critisised - it is boring, safe and repetetive. While there is some R&B which transcends this - the likes of TLC spring to mind - the fact remains that most of what makes the charts from this particular genre of music is nothing more than shite. If you want to call me a racist for saying that, go ahead - because you would be very wrong. My girlfriend hates R&B too, and she's black. I don't even think Heat or Jo Whiley have any argument, I actually think gary should sue the magazine and miss Whiley for slander, and I think Numan fans should boycott this magazine and let them know why they have lost thousands of potential readers. Racism is an evil, nasty thing and to accuse someone of it just because they slag off a musical genre for it's musical content and nothing else is just plain wrong. Gary was absolutely right to write in to Heat to set the record straight, but I think that their 'apology' is just not good enough. Jo Whiley should also apologise. What makes the whole thing even more obnoxious is that Gary praised the Maxim/Skin song to high heaven, said how much he admires and likes Skunk Anansie - this is not the language of a racist. Disliking r&b does not amount to racism - morover, assuming that R&B means BLACK music is, to my very left wing mind, offensive. Jo Whiley and Heat are the racists here. It's as if they are saying, 'Oh, you HAVE to like R&B because thats the only music black people produce, and we do like to appear politically correct.' - this sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? But no more ridiculous than what was said about Gary's comments. Heat is a racist magazine. Jo Whiley is a racist. Until they write in here and explain why their assumptions that black people should only make certain types of music are not racist, I will not retract my comments. HA! Antonio I am a poseur and I don't care, I like to make people stare! (X-Ray Spex) http://www.goffboi.freeserve.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:35:48 EDT From: KethScott@aol.com Subject: Mark Webb? To: digest@garynumanfan.nu Can anyone help me validate the authenticity of someone I met on Napster?? He claimed to be Gary's second cousin, named Mark Webb. Said Gary's dad Tony was his Mom's uncle. He told me anecdotes of hanging with Gary in the day, and that he did some sound engineering on DANCE. He claims to be in possession of two songs stolen from the Dance session. (which he, of course, promised to send me, along with a scan of the handwritten cover, listing all possible tracks.) Says he is a system analyst now or something like that. He even (supposedly) coughed up Gary's handle on Microsoft's Comic Chat, and even his usual chat times.... As I re-read this, I realize how gullible I can be sometimes! Anyone's thoughts would be appreciated! Keith ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ****************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------- T H E G A R Y N U M A N D I G E S T is produced and distributed by Derek Langsford, Dave Datta, and Joey Lindstrom dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu, datta@cs.uwp.edu, Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU ------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, email: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, email: digest-request@GaryNumanFan.NU ------------------------------------------------------------------ The Gary Numan Digest is brought to you via Joey Lindstrom and the GaryNUmanFan server Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU All of the opinions in this digest belong to the respective authors and do not necessarily agree with those of the Digest Producers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Produced and distributed by Derek Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, mail to: digest@garynumanfan.nu If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, you can mail to digest-request@garynumanfan.nu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --DAA09551.961917820/glitch.crosswinds.net-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:12:17 +0100 From: thoutby@fusiongroup.co.uk (Tim Houtby) Subject: SSS news To: "Digest" In case any of you are interested...... -----Original Message----- From: sputnik [mailto:sputnik@sputnikworld.ndirect.co.uk] Sent: 23 June 2000 17:59 To: mike ibanez rius; Whitfield, Ian M; Grant, Iain; Babylon Hythe; mark hutchinson; Lynne Hunt; Rachel Humphries; Emma Humphrey; Scott Hughes; robert hudzik; Darren Hudson; Elmar Huber; Tim Houtby; Tom Hostler; stacey hoskin; Paul Horn; Neil Hopcroft; Matthew Holmes; Frankie hipwell-larkin; Miles Hindman; Miles Hindman; jay higgs; dean heid; Peter Heft; Jay Hawkinson; Darel Hawkins; Alan Hauser; Matej Hasaj; KEVIN HART Subject: SSS news Sigue Sigue Sputnik update..june 2000 GIG news.. Sat july 15.... K3 festival, Bocholt Germany Sat July 29.... Borderline Club, LONDON U.K The Borderline Club date will feature more new songs from the forthcoming SSS CD plus some older material never before played live..this is a small intimate venue..see SSS close up...get your tickets in advance as the club only holds 300 people tickets from.. Box office at the borderline tel: 020 7734 2095 Ticketmaster: 020 7344 4444 Stargreen :020 7734 8932 Ticketweb www.ticketweb.co.uk .see u there! CD news.. work continues on the new sputnik studio album..I know it seems like forever but it'll be worth the wait..we are in the studio again next week for the final remixes..12 tracks!..many of which we now feature live.. tony james sputnik2000 ________________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses, by Star Internet, delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. For further information visit: http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp ________________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses, by Star Internet, delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. For further information visit: http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:43:35 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Linda=20Astrup?= Subject: Vile Whiley To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU I utterly and wholeheartedly agree with Antonio's sentiments and views (digest no.50) - to a tee. Although I am unable to see the Jo Whiley episode and unable to get Heat magazine in my part of the world, I do think that the miserable few words offered by Heat as a supposed apology is a disgrace and just as offensive as the original article published - it's not good enough. If somebody has the address to write or Email Heat Magazine and perhaps also the Jo Whiley Show's bosses, then please post them so we can get on their backs and make them answer to their actions. I know quite well, as a Pet Shop Boys fan, that any and all who have attempted to slander them have been duly taken to court and the PSB have always won. Too bad Gary doesn't have enough money to have justice - and a decent apology. I'm disgusted. Let's keep up the fight. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:06:37 -0500 From: Val & Ben Iglar-Mobley Subject: we all rearrange the same old song To: The Gary Digest Dear 'noids all, Apparently, no, we don't. This from the June 25th Chicago Tribune: "A remix is when a record label sends me just the singing part of a record, not the music, and I change the tempo and create a whole new music track using a computer," says [Jonathan] Peters, 31, who has done remixes for Whitney Houston and others and also has his own label, Deeper Rekords. His Saturday stints at Manhattan Sound Factory have made Peters one of America's top club DJs, and he gets up to $25,000 a night to spin discs overseas. I knew it. Those "remixes" aren't re-mixes at all. They're covers, if they sound at all like the original music, or just DJs screwing around with soundboards, if they don't. That does it. I'm giving up on collecting these stupid things. The artists we like try to pass them off as "their" records, but the music is by somebody else entirely, and it's a complete crap shoot whether it would be anything at all we'd be interested in hearing. The odds are no better than if we were to pick any record randomly off the racks. They've got sod all to do with the originals. Tori Amos has described her "remixes" as "good music to run the vacuum cleaner to." Gary's extended albums are remixes. 'The Mix' and 'Random 2' are not. Call them covers albums if you must, but for as close as their music comes to the originals at times, they're hardly that either. It reminds me of a story I heard. Moby had been asked to do a "remix" of a single for some band. Some time later, a representative from their label showed up at his home and asked him if he had finished the remix, but he had forgotten about it. Not wanting to admit his mistake, he quickly dashed into his studio and pulled a tape randomly from among the instrumental projects of his own that he had been working on, and handed that to the rep. A few days later, he received a note from the band saying they loved his remix of "their" song. Apocryphal, maybe, but in the words of Ronald Reagan, "Well, if it's not true it ought to be!" "In the old days, people went to clubs to hear a band," [Peters] says. "Now they go to hear a DJ." One thing's for sure: With the volume pumped up, nobody goes to hear a conversation. With that part I agree. love to all, Ben http://home.earthlink.net/~iglarmobley * * * "It's now safe to turn off your computer." ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ****************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------- T H E G A R Y N U M A N D I G E S T is produced and distributed by Derek Langsford, Dave Datta, and Joey Lindstrom dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu, datta@cs.uwp.edu, Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU ------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, email: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, email: digest-request@GaryNumanFan.NU ------------------------------------------------------------------ The Gary Numan Digest is brought to you via Joey Lindstrom and the GaryNUmanFan server Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU All of the opinions in this digest belong to the respective authors and do not necessarily agree with those of the Digest Producers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Produced and distributed by Derek Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, mail to: digest@garynumanfan.nu If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, you can mail to digest-request@garynumanfan.nu --------------------------------------------------------------------------