Gary Numan Digest Thu, 13 Jul 2000 Volume 2 : Issue 55 Today's Topics: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9ponse_automatique_d=27absence_du_bureau_=3A?= American Express An Alien Cure - E Z re-direct eh? Gary goes undercover New Album, AOL, Nash the Slash, DJs News on new album Peavey Monitor article still up! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:23:17 +0200 From: "MAINGUET,Jean-Francois" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9ponse_automatique_d=27absence_du_bureau_=3A?= To: digest@garynumanfan.nu I will be back July, 18th Please contact pierre.meunier@atmel-grenoble.com or maya.robert@atmel-grenoble.com if needed. Note that marc.pegulu@atmel-grenoble.com will be back on July, 24th Jean-Francois Mainguet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:23:53 PDT From: "William Wilson" Subject: American Express To: digest@garynumanfan.nu HI! All, Just saw the American Express/cars ad on British T.V.(sky1) ...well,I suppose any exposure is good exposure!! William Wilson (Glasgow Crazie!) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:50:06 CDT From: "Jerry V. Howard" Subject: An Alien Cure - E Z re-direct To: digest@garynumanfan.nu Hello all Just another web site update from An Alien Cure. It can now be accessed easy by going to: http://beam.to/analiencure c-ya there! -jerry v ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:22:02 -0700 From: Derek Langsford Subject: eh? To: mark@karm.ndo.co.uk Mark, The Digest changed locations at the beginning of 2000 due to cs.uwp.edu=20 coming off line. I assume you are not a subscriber and must have seen the= =20 old address at a web site that hasn't updated the address. The new address= is: digest@garynumanfan.nu To subscribe email: digest-request@garynumanfan.nu Derek At 02:17 PM 7/11/00 +0100, you wrote: >i tried to send a message to the digest and this is wot i got back... > > >Subject: > Returned mail: User unknown > Date: > Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:58:22 +0100 (BST) > From: > Mail Delivery Subsystem > To: > > > > > >The original message was received at Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:58:14 +0100 >(BST) >from pm4-00-04.dial.thm.netdirect-online.co.uk [195.7.235.4] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >... while talking to basil.cs.uwp.edu.: > >>> RCPT To: ><<< 550 ... User unknown >550 ... User unknown > > > > >Reporting-MTA: dns; linekar.hosts.netdirect-online.co.uk >Received-From-MTA: DNS; pm4-00-04.dial.thm.netdirect-online.co.uk >Arrival-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:58:14 +0100 (BST) > >Final-Recipient: RFC822; numan@cs.uwp.edu >Action: failed >Status: 5.1.1 >Remote-MTA: DNS; basil.cs.uwp.edu >Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 ... User unknown >Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:58:21 +0100 (BST) > > > Subject: > moulah... > Date: > Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:53:10 +0100 > From: > karm > To: > numan@cs.uwp.edu > > > >where can i find out how much gazza's back catalogue is worth? > >(=A3's) > >later. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:02:10 -0500 From: Val & Ben Iglar-Mobley Subject: Gary goes undercover To: The Gary Digest Dear all, Jared recently asked what songs we'd like to see covered. Thanks to his selfless efforts, I can say I think we do have Gary pretty well covered at this point, but I must admit there are some I think have been passed over while seemingly every last band records their own renditions of the Big Three. Personally, I would enjoy hearing just about everything off 'Tubeway Army' covered. I consider that album to stand sonically alongside 'Replicas,' 'Pleasure Principle,' and 'Telekon' as a part of his "machine" era. I think that album has been sadly undercovered; there are some excellent songs there that are every bit as classic Gary: "The Dream Police," "My Shadow In Vain," "The Life Machine," all of them, really. While I'm putting together a wish list, since we're so close to having a clean sweep of covers from 'Replicas,' what if some of the bands who've contributed recordings for the fan projects could divide up what's left and put together a full composite cover tribute of that album? From what I can tell, the only "song" song that hasn't been covered from that one is "It Must Have Been Years." Of course, neither of the two instrumentals have been covered; kind of unfortunate, really, because we've had artists record instrumental renditions of songs that originally had vocals. If they were going to go ahead and record an instrumental ANYWAY why couldn't they have tried their hands at one of his instrumental compositions that otherwise never get reinterpretted? I've always thought that The Orb should've taken a shot at "When The Machines Rock;" their "Jo The Waiter" was such a lousy rendition-- just random computer noise with the lyrics recited through a Speak & Spell rather than sung-- that their joke would've gone a lot further if they'd taken on the other, if for nothing else then for the title alone. What about it? Anybody out there feel like coming up with a rendition of "It Must Have Been Years" so that we could get a full tribute album for 'Replicas?' I've seen commerically released tribute albums for Carole King's 'Tapestry' and Fleetwood Mac's 'Rumours,' so clearly the idea is not too beyond the pale. While I'm wishing on a star, what happened to the various fan projects that have been mentioned? I've heard of three different people at three different web sites each expressing an interest in putting together a compilation set of cover recordings: http://www.darkzone.co.uk run by Paul ( mailto:pmm@darkzone.co.uk ) http://listen.to/unreplicated run by Arick Szymecki ( mailto:brapped@usa.net ) http://themachman.garynumanfan.nu run by Jim Napier ( mailto:PolareBear@excite.com ) Thank goodness for Jared Cook, who's just a fan with a CDR burner and a dedication to collecting covers, but who's spread the enjoyment around pretty single-handedly so far. What about this idea, all you tribute-projectors: Since there are three of you at three different sites, what if each took a different one of the "trinity" of Gary albums-- 'Replicas,' 'Pleasure Principle,' 'Telekon?' Wouldn't that be a terrific way to organize whatever fan projects might be coming along at this point, AND add a little something extra to what they've got going for them? Each tribute album could even include whatever bonus songs have since been added to the cd reissues, just so that the much-loved songs "We Are So Fragile" and "I Die: You Die" could be included, and since space will certainly allow. You could divide up between you what's been offered so far according to who has which album and solicit submissions for whatever songs would be needed to fill out each tribute. Tell me that idea doesn't sound cool. love, Ben http://home.earthlink.net/~iglarmobley * * * "They want to relive all my memories" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 11:10:01 GMT From: "Sleepbywindows !" Subject: New Album, AOL, Nash the Slash, DJs To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU Hi Numan Folk, I too have noticed the Digest getting a bit thin these past weeks. Summer vacations, no new releases or live shows to talk about and a lack of official news from the Numan camp obviously all contribute to fewer posts than normal. I also think that many subscribers have grown just too tired of the flaming and bickering that goes on. It seems that you can’t put forward an opinion or suggestion these days without some ignorant fool slating you to high heaven in the process. I, like many of you I’m sure, prefer not to get involved in that level of pettiness and decided long ago to cease posting anything to the Digest. However, things look to have died down to the point where I’ll have another go. There have been a number of little comments made recently that I have a view on, so I’ll share those with you all. AOL. Do Numan fans really hate AOL? Well, a couple of years ago AOL were sending out floppies/CDs and offering a month’s free trial of their service. If you didn’t want to subscribe then the rules were you called them before your month was up and cancelled your subscription. I did exactly that. I had almost a month of AOL, then called them to cancel and guess what? They still took a month’s subscription from my credit card! I was in the process of moving to America and didn’t have the time to argue about their mistake and the theft of my 6 pounds. This is why I don’t like AOL. They are rip off merchants. I wonder how many other people they’ve tried this little trick with? Talking of rip offs, another recent comment concerned ex-band members. Not so much an ex-member rather a support (one man) band, Nash The Slash is still a favourite of mine. When I lived in the US I discovered his official web site. It’s called Nash The Slash’s Graveyard Site or something like that. It offered a couple of his early recordings on CD so I sent off for them. Unfortunately, this tale of woe will be familiar to many of you. You send the money order, you wait. You send an email. You get ignored. You send another email, weeks later you get some limp excuse about “difficulties” and “workload”. Then you get silence and you eventually get no CDs. I eventually moved back to the UK, contacted the person concerned and offered to pay any additional shipping charges now that I’d moved back home. More deafening silence. Brett L Maraldo is the person in question. He knows he kept my money and he also knows he never sent my CDs. My advice to other Numan fans, unless you live next door to this individual, be very careful in dealing with anything off this site (if it’s still there). Gives Nash and Canadians a bad name in my book. No offence Joey! To lighten the tone, you’ll be disappointed to hear that the new Numan album will not be released until 10th. October 2011. But it’ll be called “T.B.A”, but spookily already has a sales ranking and a review dating back to December 8th. last year! Check out this address for a laugh : http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00002MTUR/qid=963134125/sr=1-34/026-6572646-8956406 Finally, there was some mention of remixes and DJs and clubbing recently. One comment that jumped off my screen was a DJ getting paid $25,000 a night. WHAT? If that isn’t insane enough already, I was flicking through a satellite TV magazine the other week which featured an interview with a collection of people called Basement Jaxx. The headline quote from one of their number was, “Rock and roll is old and tired. It’s something your granddad listens to”. WHAT? Is the music business so screwed up that we’re confusing the highly questionable ‘talent’ of PLAYING OTHER PEOPLE’S RECORDS, adding a drum machine loop or two over the top, delicately crafting in the odd Star Trek sound affect and shouting “Oh yeah” whilst listening to one half of a pair of headphones with the ability to write and perform music using real musical instruments? I recently saw Pearl Jam on both their London Wembley Arena shows and they ROCKED! I wonder how impressive the Jaxxes of this world would look trying to sell out Wembley two nights running and blowing the audience away with a couple of turntables, drum machines, sound effects and a collection of OTHER PEOPLE’S RECORDS. On the other hand PJ blitzed their audience with a power house set, delivered with strong passionate vocals and a level of musicianship which is to die for. Not a million miles away from the levels that Numan shows have reached over the last couple of years. But maybe I’m a thirty-something who has matured to the point where anything mainstream in my mind equates to banal? It’s difficult for me to accept that a singles chart dominated by dozens of faceless boy/girl bands, DJ whoever featuring his mate and countless 1000 bpm rave anthems is the breeding ground for cutting edge and ground breaking musical creativity. I think back to my single buying days when I could choose from lots of real bands, writing real songs using real instruments. Remember these? The Jam, Blondie, Culture Club, Depeche Mode, Human League, Heaven 17, The Police, Adam and the Ants, Public Image Limited, Spandau Ballet, Duran Duran, Kate Bush, Genesis, Jesus Jones, Ultravox, Howard Jones and of course Gary Numan. Most people I know who are around my age do think that we lived though an excellent period in pop music history. But do the 14, 15 and 16 year olds today think that their charts are as great as I thought mine were when I was their age? Or is the selection process for them now simply : has it got a great dance beat and is the lead singer very sexy? If yes and yes, then it must be great music. Come to think of it, is that a million miles away from how some of my peers would have selected their bands of the ‘80s? Hmmmm. (Am I arguing with myself here ? ;-) Incidentally, I saw Howard Jones play in a small club in London last year and Nick Beggs plays bass for him now. When Numan at last found favour with the musical establishment I so hoped that he could return once again to the heights of ’79/’80. I really hoped that he’d have another number 1 album and be top of the singles chart again. I really hoped that we’d get to see what he could devise for another Wembley Arena show. But it never happened and looks like it won’t when you consider what he’s up against in terms of what the single buying public wants (or is fed). But maybe selling an ‘acceptable’ number of albums and receiving pats on the back from his musical peers in enough for him now? I don’t know – what does everyone else think? Go and listen to some Numan right now! Best regards, Sleepy. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 23:06:29 -0700 From: Derek Langsford Subject: News on new album To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU In the Barcode magazine interview Gary says of the new album, preliminarily titled "Pure": "The next album will be harsh & aggressive. I just want to get darker and heavier. No other direction has anything to offer. I just want to get, musically speaking, more aggressive, menacing and lyrically challenging. Everything else is just lightweight shit." So don't hold your breath for "Telekon 2"! He also adds "I intend to end my creative days writing novels from a small thatched cottage in Cornwall. When that will be though I have no idea." So Gary has a fondness for the County of my birth and upbringing. Maybe I can say "hi" when I go visit my birthplace :-) Derek San Diego, California (a long way from Cornwall) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:46:21 EDT From: Hopey77@aol.com Subject: Peavey Monitor article still up! To: digest@garynumanfan.nu In case anyone missed it, I've put up a great article on my website on Numan's touring band from the US Exile tour: http://www.geocities.com/lbartdesign/numan.htm I will leave it up for a few more weeks. My links page also has two Numan sites familiar to everyone. I recently switched the content from PageMill to Dreamweaver so there were a few glitches - hopefully worked out now. Out- Hopey77@aol.com ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ****************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------- T H E G A R Y N U M A N D I G E S T is produced and distributed by Derek Langsford, Dave Datta, and Joey Lindstrom dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu, datta@cs.uwp.edu, Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU ------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, email: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, email: digest-request@GaryNumanFan.NU ------------------------------------------------------------------ The Gary Numan Digest is brought to you via Joey Lindstrom and the GaryNUmanFan server Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU All of the opinions in this digest belong to the respective authors and do not necessarily agree with those of the Digest Producers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Produced and distributed by Derek Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, mail to: digest@garynumanfan.nu If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, you can mail to digest-request@garynumanfan.nu --------------------------------------------------------------------------