Gary Numan Digest Sun, 29 Oct 2000 Volume 2 : Issue 86 Today's Topics: Car Stickers Chart Position? Check out RollingStone.com: Artists: Gary Numan Gary Numan Digest V2 #85 Hello Again I am waiting too... It's the cloud whiner again!! NIN Tribute Numan in german press Oh boy a quiz OT Tape cover Phil Collins and Replicas ! Shepherds Bush, April 2000 spittin' FIRE, dude, it's THE NUGE US Pure sales Waiting for US Release ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:58:40 +0100 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Car Stickers To: Gary Numan Here on my car There's no stickers at all; They got scrapped with my old one, It drives me up the wall, On cars. Here in my car I know Im starting to think about Getting new stickers Anyone know where? For cars? Paddy Vickers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:54:03 +0100 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Chart Position? To: Gary Numan Is it correct that PURE came into the UK album charts at #58, exactly the same position as in Germany? Can anyone who has access to such information keep us in touch as to its chart progress - or lack of it? Pity if Jonathan Ross did not like the album. I DO! This one will SELL, but it will take time for people to hear it from others, or tracks played on the radio, etc. Older members of the record-buying public will take time to get over their prejudices... Paddy Vickers ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 15:11:03 EDT From: Psgifford@aol.com Subject: Check out RollingStone.com: Artists: Gary Numan To: digest@garynumanfan.nu Click here: RollingStone.com: Artists: Gary Numan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:42:26 -0500 From: Gerald Vick Subject: Gary Numan Digest V2 #85 To: 'Gary Numan' No Brad from St. Louis...there are at least two others. for the record, Tricky......in Tennessee > ------------------------------ > .Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:11:02 -0500 .From: Brad LaVoise .Subject: Question - Am I The Only One ? .To: Numan Digest .Am I the only US fan who is waiting for the US release of Pure on .November 7th. .From what I read on the most recent digest leads to believe the answer .is yes. .I understand that is has been awhile between Exile and now Pure. But .surely a month wait could have been tolerated. .The real question is, for the US fans who bought the UK release of Pure, .which I understand entered the UK charts at 58. .Will you buy the US release of Pure to help out whatever chart position .it may enter at? Maybe, just maybe if more albums of Pure are sold here .in the states, just maybe the next tour could visit more cities than the .Exile tour did. From what was said on the Sun Online .interview/questions, is that the next US tour will not be until March .2001. .Oh well, enough of this rant, tirade or whatever. .Patiently waiting for the US release of Pure .Brad .St. Louis, MO ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:09:50 -0700 From: Michael Tressler Subject: Hello Again To: digest@garynumanfan.nu First off, I'd like to say that I'm not very proud of the message I posted a couple weeks ago where I insulted Matthew Roberts just about every way I could think of. True, I was angry about an insult he hurled at me, but I had a chance to take the high-road by tempering my response (and thus show that conservatives can be and usually are nice people), and I didn't do it. So, my sincere apologies to Matthew. I don't think his original insult was appropriate but neither was my lengthy response. I want to respond to some things from Ben's letter of reply. Be advised: many parts of this letter stray off the topic of Gary. You have been warned. > I think there's a value in having a diversity of opinions. Stick around and share yours. It'll be a better Digest for it. I may resubscribe later. I must admit it's nice not having to constantly try to catch up on digest reading as I'm usually about 5 to 10 issues behind. Besides, I'd rather not scroll through dozens of "Pure" reviews. I'll wait until I can buy the CD myself and formulate interpretations. > Why did no one else on the digest read my statement the way you did? > I did. I just decided not to respond. I'm sorry that my original statement was so vague that more than one person saw it completely different from the way it was intended. I thought it made sense; Gary rebukes what he thinks doesn't exist, but that act (in my interpretation) implies an acknowledgement of the possibility of that same existence. In no way did I say Gary believes in God. I figured out that he doesn't believe long before I started reading this digest. > As a member of the non-believing minority, I think theists need to have some humility about they privelege they enjoy in our society. Just want to point out that there is no shortage of bashing of Judeo-Christian values on television, movies and all media in general. > About Gary railing against god for not existing, I'd take that as artistic expression. He believes there are no gods, but it's a familiar enough concept in our culture, he answers back to it as if it did exist. In literary terms it's called "reification," making something real that does not exist. I don't think we can take it as evidence that he's conceding the possibility of a god's existence. I can. That's my personal interpretation of his lyrics. We can agree to disagree here. > I guess only atheists and homosexuals are allowed to say how they view Gary's lyrics. > WHOA! Where'd THAT come from? Meaning that those two groups have expressed how Gary's music and lyrics have helped them through rough periods in their lives. And I'm glad for that. But then a believer in God merely says "I think Gary does at least concede the possibility" and, in a round-about way, is called G-damned stupid. That hurts. There are a lot of names I could be called and just shrug it off. Stupid happens to not be one of them. > Look, I can say it's possible there is a god, Thanks > but I don't believe there is one. If I'm stating my beliefs, then, there is no god. Period. Does that mean if I state my belief that there is a God, then there is a God, period.? I think i see your meaning, Ben. If you don't believe, then for you personally there is no god. That's fine. But that doesn't make Him nonexistent for us who believe, and I don't mean just in our own minds. God is either there, or not. It's a 50-50 prospect. We're both just taking our chances on different sides of the fence. > ...just go back to your Thought-Police Baby-Killing Neo-Nazi Rally. > OUCH! Uh, but the thought-police are actually a reactionary force, depriving the masses of the liberal right to freedom of thought and expression. They're a fictional force, but if we categorize them, they'd be on the right, not on the left. Same with the Neo-Nazis; they're reactionaries, not liberals. Right, not left. I strongly beg to differ here! By reactionary force, I assume you mean an anti-government group. It's true that the Right favors smaller, less intrusive government. So by definition anti-government groups are called right-wing extremists (I want to add that the left has their share of extremists as well). Conservatives believe just as much in freedom of thought and expression. When we on the right think "thought police" we are talking about the politically-correct crowd; the ones who say you can't say or do or think a certain way because it offends people, the ones trying to make crimes out of actual thoughts (as in the push for hate-crimes legislation, when the thought behind the action is as much a crime as the action itself. Calling Mr. Orwell...). And the Nazis? Well they seized every gun in Germany when Hitler rose to power, which is what the Left want to do in America. Communism, Socialism and Naziism are certainly for Big-Government control and very little individual freedoms. That's how the Left stands, not the Right. > Get it... well, correct, not right: we're Pinko Commie-Symp Baby-Killing Tree-Hugging Welfare-Mother-Coddling Ralliers. Make sure you've got us at the appropriate rally. I assume this statement was made tongue-in-cheek (please no dirty jokes). But it would be a shame to think that you are even partially proud to attach a some of those labels to yourself, especially the baby-killing one. You seem like such a kind and loving person, Ben, why can't you extend that kind of affection to the most innocent and helpless people of all, the unborn? I'm hoping "Prayer for the Unborn" echoes that sentiment. Perhaps Gary, in trying to have a child, has placed a newfound respect and value on those unborn children. I can't say as I don't have the album yet, all I can do is just hope. In closing this segment, we should realize that fetuses (babies) are the result of parents' actions, whether those actions were taken responsibly or irresponsibly. A child's life should not be snuffed out because two people refuse to take responsibility for their actions. That, to me, is the highest form of cowardice. (note: please don't e-mail me with arguments about rape and incest. Even as a pro-lifer, i believe a woman should have a choice in those cases, and those cases only.) > Be the change you want to create in the world, as Mahatma Ghandi said. I just tried to be. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:48:28 -0500 From: "PHILIP JACOBSON" Subject: I am waiting too... To: "Gary Numan Digest" In the last digest, Brad of St. Louis, MO wrote: >>Am I the only US fan who is waiting for the US release of Pure on November 7th? No, you are not. I will buy my copy from a place called Ernie November, one of the last independent music stores in my area. If they have it. Otherwise, off to Best Buy. >>Maybe, just maybe if more albums of Pure are sold here in the states, just maybe the next tour could visit more cities than the Exile tour did. From what was said on the Sun Online interview/questions, is that the next US tour will not be until March 2001. A-freaken-men to that. I would have had to drive a fourth of the continent to see the man. If he doesn't hit Minneapolis Mn this time around, I will be sorely bummed. >>Patiently waiting for the US release of Pure. I am waiting too. The Radiohead release sort of let me down, so I hope Pure will wow me like it has so many others on the digest. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:18:41 +0100 From: "brendan colton" Subject: It's the cloud whiner again!! To: Hi there, Apparently I put a downer on the recent digest with my whine about the excess 'cloudage' in the CD booklet. Apologies if this applied to you, dear reader. However, I DON'T correlate the booklet with "how good the album is" (John) ... in fact I stated that I felt that 'Pure' was the best since 'Replicas', in my humble opinion. We all have differing ideas on the music, the packaging, how something or other could have been different....in an ideal world. Surely the digest IS an ideal world, allowing me to say "If only..." once in a while. It also has the advantage of allowing others to disagree, and we all welcome healthy debate (I hope..). Therefore, I welcome your opinion John. 'Replicas' was the highlight of the night for me. Love , Asylum5. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:07:48 +0100 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: NIN Tribute To: Gary Numan Dear all, When you get your copy/copies of PURE, it will be easy to spot that Gary has put in an apparent tribute to Trent Reznor. Right in the middle of MY JESUS there is a NINesque bit, which lyrically seems to have nothing to do with the song. I can only see it as an abvious acknowledgement to the direction that Trent Reznor has helped Gary to take. Of course, before anyone tells me, I know that Trent Reznor was listening to TELEKON at the time he did PRETTY HATE MACHINE. Reznor says *That record is so ******* cold*. Listen to the music when Gary sings Helpless we cried over you. Empty and lost over you. My blood runs cold at that bit... And while I am rambling, was it Joeri Peters, or somebody who said that they cried when they listened to the new album. LITTLE INVITRO made me cry the first few times I heard it, and I am English!!!! (Stiff upper lip, what?) And the middle pasrt of LISTEN TO MY VOICE brings tears to my ears because the whole thing is just so **wonderful**! Ramble mode off. Paddy Vickers P.S. As always, the Tiktok Man is spot on, with every word of his concert report. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 2000 23:00:44 -0000 From: pure_numan@llesklar.de Subject: Numan in german press To: digest@garynumanfan.nu Their are currently two 2-pages interviews in the german dark wave-magazines "Orkus" and "Sonic Seducer". The interview in "Sonic Seducer" was the one, that Gary has gave via telephon last month (see NuWorld). www.pure-numan.de ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:13:21 -0700 From: "Mike Batchelor" Subject: Oh boy a quiz To: "Gary Numan" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey dudes Who can guess which two songs I'm thinking of that have (or sound like) = "Numan" in the lyrics. I doubt it is actually "Numan" that is being = said, that's why I willn't disappoint myself by looking at the lyrics = sheet. Give it a shot!!!!! If you guess 'em right I will consider you = "my big buddy". Thanks Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey dudes   Who can guess which two songs I'm = thinking of that=20 have (or sound like) "Numan" in the lyrics.  I doubt it is actually = "Numan" that is being said, that's why I willn't disappoint myself = by=20 looking at the lyrics sheet.  Give it a shot!!!!!  If you = guess 'em=20 right I will consider you "my big buddy". =20 Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 01:32:53 -0500 From: Mark Hubbard Subject: OT Tape cover To: Numan Digest Hello all, Just curious. Is there anyone out there, that knows of a program or web site that has a template for making cassette tape covers? When I buy CDs, I make tapes for my car. Instead of my illegible handwriting, I usually make covers here on my PC, but I do it a rough way. I scan the blank tape cover, then build in the graphics. I was just wondering if anyone knew of a good template for Word or Wordperfect or similar. Thanks Mark Hubbard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:48:40 +0100 From: "russ" Subject: Phil Collins and Replicas ! To: "Gary Numan" Dear Transactoid, yeah,that was my message and it's been haunting for nearly 20 years !!!!! I still remember seeing the video for the first time and thought how could Collins get away with nicking our Gary's visions ??? Glad someone else is on the same planet as me !For all those who have never seen the "Something In The Air " video,you'll probably catch it on 1 of the satellite channels-classic tracks,check it out ,you will be amazed by the similarities. Also,with reference to Jonathan Woss,the man has been and always will be a complete wanker.Him and his brother always seem to say something controversial so people can be reminded who they are.The world can carry on without those 2 tossers but not without Gary 's contribution.Warhol's words of 15 minutes of fame apply to the Ross bros. and they had their 15 minutes spread over 15 years !!!!!!! So ,if anyone has any info about the Collins/replicas ,please share it ! PURE genius,PURE xtc,one of the greatest albums of all time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Russ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:55:40 +0100 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Shepherds Bush, April 2000 To: Gary Numan Can anyone who went to the Shepherds Bush concert in April confirm that Gary performed WALKING WITH SHADOWS? I did not know the titles of the new songs he performed. Or is there a website with all the set lists on? Paddy Vickers ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 08:26:25 -0700 From: alecw Subject: spittin' FIRE, dude, it's THE NUGE To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU hey gesters, so, i keep checking out the spitfire records page (spitfirerecords.com/news.html) and not only is bowie quoted (re:- our gary numan) as saying,"nothing will alter the fact that I think he has written a couple of the finest things in british pop music," but his label mates are quite a bunch. they seem to include a healthy dose of aging metal and rock guys from the '70s (alice cooper, ted nugent, yngwie j. malmsteen) and some aging metalpop guys from the '80s (enuff z'nuf and l.a. guns). actually i guess this kind of cool and thinking on it coop could be considered '70s goth rock so that fits in with gary's plan of attack since the mid-'90s. then there's OHGR (featuring "ogre," the singer from skinny puppy) of course gary packs the gear to be on the same list as people like alice, ogre, yngwie and...THE NUGE. numan and the nuge are label mates?! figgin' hell, mon!!! i remember reading an interview with the nuge ages and ages ago. it was in a teenage pop news magazine and so the obligatory questionaire thing was included (the "favorite color" line of questions). what blew me away at the time, though, was ted's answer to the "biggest fear" question. he said "gary numan." i wonder what the solid american (some would say racist, sexist, queer hatin', beer drinkin', cap wearin', gun ownin') unabashed hunter of deer and other animals thinks about being labelmates with "our gary." it all comes full circle, doesn't it? like the seasons themselves. hmmm...the words of that other "aethiest" british rock guy, andy partridge (XTC), come to mind about now. indulge me, won't you? "darlin' don't you ever stop and wonder/ 'bout the clouds about the hail and thunder?/ about the baby and the umbilical?/ who's pushing the pedals in this season cycle?" --andy partridge ("season cycle", XTC, "skylarking") maybe the next numan album will feature "hand claps" and background vocals by ted, alice, ogre, phil lewis, etc. and maybe a guitar solo from malmsteen!!! now, i've seen it all. no, i've got it, gary and axl rose singing a duet. that would beat all. actually, alice cooper "went numan" sort of in 1980 with his hit "we're all clones" (seems to fit more today than in 1980) from the album "flush the fashion." what would kipper say to all of this? i bet kipper would be really into it. onward through the fog! --a.w. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:34:19 EDT From: DCGaySLP@aol.com Subject: US Pure sales To: digest@garynumanfan.nu In a message dated 10/26/2000 3:10:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, digest@garynumanfan.nu writes: << Will you buy the US release of Pure to help out whatever chart position it may enter at? Maybe, just maybe if more albums of Pure are sold here in the states, just maybe the next tour could visit more cities than the Exile tour did. From what was said on the Sun Online interview/questions, is that the next US tour will not be until March 2001. >> I for one will certainly be buying the US version of Pure mainly for the difference in cover art which makes it collectible to me..........similar reason why I bought the US version of Exile for the "bonus" live track...........I hope all the US fans who invested in a UK copy of Pure will do the same :) Rick in DC (who was one lucky fella to have his question answered in the Sun online interview w/ Gary :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 01:17:50 -0700 From: Pythoness Subject: Waiting for US Release To: digest@garynumanfan.nu (Gary Numan) I'm waiting, because right now isn't a good time for me to buy two copies of the same CD, since I'm broke, in debt, and my stocks are way down, and I'm desirous of buying a house. I *am* waiting, and it's DAMNED HARD. Moreover I'm sore because *I* couldn't go to Brixton. Sulking, zg Pestmaster (zigi@ravenland.com) Ziggy's House O' Vermin http://www.ravenland.com/index.htm/index.htm ------------------------- "You gotta kinda drift through the albinos like they was bunches of sunflowers." --Rather Random Person Overheard at Kiva ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ****************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------- T H E G A R Y N U M A N D I G E S T is produced and distributed by Derek Langsford, Dave Datta, and Joey Lindstrom dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu, datta@cs.uwp.edu, Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU ------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, email: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, email: digest-request@GaryNumanFan.NU ------------------------------------------------------------------ The Gary Numan Digest is brought to you via Joey Lindstrom and the GaryNUmanFan server Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU All of the opinions in this digest belong to the respective authors and do not necessarily agree with those of the Digest Producers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Produced and distributed by Derek Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, mail to: digest@garynumanfan.nu If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, you can mail to digest-request@garynumanfan.nu --------------------------------------------------------------------------