Gary Numan Digest Thu, 1 Feb 2001 Volume 2 : Issue 113 Today's Topics: Administrivia - This List Will Be Shutting Down Soon a bold move Boots Boyz mag Check out A Question Of Faith Check out CDNOW : Items : Gary Numan : Live At Labatt's Hammersmith A : track Check out Countdown to: March 8th, 1958 Check out DFC Eye Candy: Gary Numan Check out Photo Gallery - Gary Numan Revisited Check out Record Rack Houston - Gary Numan Pics Competition Gary Numan Digest V2 #94 Poofy Pics Pre Numan Electronic Gig spitfire US press clipping ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:17:52 -0700 From: "Joey Lindstrom" Subject: Administrivia - This List Will Be Shutting Down Soon To: "digest@garynumanfan.nu" I haven't set a date yet, but basically it's going to happen fairly soon - I'm waiting for more of you to sign up for the new Digest distribution before I pull the plug on that creaky ol' Linux machine. :-) >From here on in, please consider this Digest and the new Digest to be in "parallel running" (to use a telephony term). When posting messages, at least for now, it might be a good idea to send them to both "digest@garynumanfan.nu" and "numantest@garynumanfan.nu". When I finally flip the switch, "digest@garynumanfan.nu" will disappear and messages addressed to it will bounce. If you have not yet signed up for the "new" Digest yet (and if you've missed the notes on this, we are changing to new mailing list processing software on a different machine), please do the following: Send an email to listserv@garynumanfan.nu The "Subject:" is unimportant. The first line of the body of your message should read as follows: subscribe numantest@garynumanfan.nu A few minutes later, if you've done this correctly, you'll get a response which asks you to reply to that response letter - which verifies you are indeed at the email address you claim to be. Once you've done that, a few minutes after that you should receive confirmation that you're signed up for the new Digest, which is produced daily at 6pm Mountain Standard Time. If you have any difficulties, please email me at either joey@garynumanfan.nu or postmaster@garynumanfan.nu Thanks! / From the desk of Joey Lindstrom / / I put contact lenses in my dog's eyes. They had little pictures of cats / on them. Then I took one out and he ran around in circles. / --Steven Wright ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:45:14 From: "William Wilson" Subject: a bold move To: digest@garynumanfan.nu Hi all, don't you all have to applaude Gary for his stance on Vh1's insistence that he plays cars(for anyone who dosent know,Gary was due to record a two set piece for Vh1 when they decided that one song MUST be "cars",Gary,sick of doing this(and so are the majority of his fans),said no,but how about "Metal",as NIN have just covered it,VH1 said No!! it's "Cars" or nothing so Gary said "O.K. nothing it is then!!" A very bold move indeed (Hey Rob,how about a questionaire on AFE about that,like who would agree to gary doin the show with cars or telling VH1 to stuff it) I have also updated my pictures homepage http://homepages.go.com/~glasgow_crazie/index.html with a load of my Numan pictures on-line and some new ones of another of my favs,Pete Wylie not long to go now to the live dates William Wilson (Glasgow Crazie!) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:39:18 -0000 From: "Antonio" Subject: Boots To: "Gary Numan" Gary wears New Rock boots. They can be bought online through various goth type places, the official website for them is http://www.newrock.es/en/index.shtml Anti -- http://www.goffboi.freeserve.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:16:35 -0000 From: "David Andrew Dickinson" Subject: Boyz mag To: Anybody on the digest able to get hold of a copy of the BOYZ magazine for me, the issue featuring Numan? If you can help, please e-mail me direct, THANKS. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:05:28 EST From: Psgifford@aol.com Subject: Check out A Question Of Faith To: NowIBelieve@aol.com, digest@garynumanfan.nu --part1_9c.b3a9d46.27a8daf8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: A Question Of Faith --part1_9c.b3a9d46.27a8daf8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: A Question Of Faith --part1_9c.b3a9d46.27a8daf8_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:00:46 EST From: Psgifford@aol.com Subject: Check out CDNOW : Items : Gary Numan : Live At Labatt's Hammersmith A : track To: NowIBelieve@aol.com, digest@garynumanfan.nu --part1_9a.f561cbe.27a5e27e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: CDNOW : Items : Gary Numan : Live At Labatt's Hammersmith A : tracks --part1_9a.f561cbe.27a5e27e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: CDNOW : Items : Gary Numan : Live At Labatt's Hammersmith A : tracks --part1_9a.f561cbe.27a5e27e_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:00:45 EST From: Psgifford@aol.com Subject: Check out Countdown to: March 8th, 1958 To: NowIBelieve@aol.com, digest@garynumanfan.nu --part1_85.63fcb66.27a8d9dd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: Countdown to: March 8th, 1958 --part1_85.63fcb66.27a8d9dd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: Countdown to: March 8th, 1958 --part1_85.63fcb66.27a8d9dd_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:58:28 EST From: Psgifford@aol.com Subject: Check out DFC Eye Candy: Gary Numan To: NowIBelieve@aol.com, digest@garynumanfan.nu --part1_77.f94de47.27a8d954_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: DFC Eye Candy: Gary Numan --part1_77.f94de47.27a8d954_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: DFC Eye Candy: Gary Numan --part1_77.f94de47.27a8d954_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:59:38 EST From: Psgifford@aol.com Subject: Check out Photo Gallery - Gary Numan Revisited To: NowIBelieve@aol.com, digest@garynumanfan.nu --part1_41.6c00ba7.27a8d99a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: Photo Gallery - Gary Numan Revisited --part1_41.6c00ba7.27a8d99a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: Photo Gallery - Gary Numan Revisited --part1_41.6c00ba7.27a8d99a_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:55:03 EST From: Psgifford@aol.com Subject: Check out Record Rack Houston - Gary Numan Pics To: digest@garynumanfan.nu --part1_6.117ad044.27a8d887_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: Record Rack Houston - Gary Numan Pics --part1_6.117ad044.27a8d887_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: Record Rack Houston - Gary Numan Pics --part1_6.117ad044.27a8d887_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:25:18 -0000 From: "Denis James" Subject: Competition To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The answer to the John Peel session competition Gary will be 43 this = birthday. Born 8/3/58 Hammersmith London. Gary Anthony James Webb.=20 >From : Denis James 9396 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The answer to the John Peel session = competition =20 Gary will be 43 this birthday.  Born 8/3/58 Hammersmith=20 London. Gary Anthony James = Webb.  From : Denis James=20  9396 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:14:55 -0000 From: Martin Oxenham Subject: Gary Numan Digest V2 #94 To: "'digest@garynumanfan.nu'" Is the digest still alive as I no longer receive anything? Below is the last one. Regards Martin Oxenham -----Original Message----- From: digest@garynumanfan.nu [mailto:digest@garynumanfan.nu] Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 08:00 To: datta@ivanova.garynumanfan.nu Subject: Gary Numan Digest V2 #94 Gary Numan Digest Sun, 26 Nov 2000 Volume 2 : Issue 94 Today's Topics: Aaaaaah! A few bits of stuff Age Album Poll Behead Britney I Say! Off With 'er 'ead! Change of email addy Chart positions Democrat Numan Fans and the next evolution dja webba? European tour programme Future Music Magazine on eBay more marilyn My butterfly ballot New mixes nightmares are real and deceiving NIN & Marilyn Manson. poll (2 msgs) ponderings Pure & Digest Posts Question Spread the word Stale? Stars-Numan/Robson wanted Stop it already!! thank you, antonio The Skin Game Rules Tik N Tok / Covers To all the "fans" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 22:46:01 EST From: Numaniac@aol.com Subject: Aaaaaah! To: digest@garynumanfan.nu thanks Paddy for supporting my theory. perhaps i was too quick to judge in my last digest post. I'm just very supportive of the new album and i honestly hate hate hate HATE hearing negative comments and such about it. doesn't mean i hate the people that post them (not all the time atleast). and what i was trying to get at by my last "complain" post is that i've heard your complaints, now hear mine. sure, it was a contradiction on my part. all i'm tryin' to say is...despite whether it's to some people's likings or not...gary's doin' the finest he's done in years. On an extra note; why do people say stuff like "i had highly anticipated the album and i heard such great news and i was given GREAT reviews but when i got it and listened to it, i was horribly disappointed." ......who's fault is that? honestly. sure, i'm not perfect. when i hear a good review i take a person's word for it, but if it turns out i don't like the album....i don't blame anyone but myself for being built. sorry people, this is how i feel. i expect a lot of attacking posts come early sunding morn. John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:28:12 -0000 From: "Antonio" Subject: A few bits of stuff To: "Gary Numan" Some of my opinions on recent topics - Pure - Fantastic. NiN - Occasionally brilliant Marilyn Manson - Fun with bad make-up Goth - Catch-all description for anything even vaguley dark (used, even in the 80's, to describe everyone from Joy Division to The Smiths to Echo and the Bunnymen to The Cocteau Twins to The Cramps to The Cure to Depeche Mode...) - not so laughable, even in the UK. If your idea of Goth starts at Bauhaus and ends at Suspira, then you won't appreciate just how diverse the subculture really is. Gary Numan is only as Goth as Joy Division or The Smiths, but it's a genre he's going to be placed into, it has been for almost ten years now, since Goth finally embraced 80's synth music into its clubs. Being called Goth is no bad thing any more - I admitted to it in 1985, when it really was laughable in the UK. But then, so was Gary Numan, if you read the music press. And the thing to remember about music journalists is, they are a bunch of sad, ugly geeks. Having met several, including two remarkably sad and ugly looking blokes from Q magazine at a Numan convention (the article they later printed was all, 'ooh, look at the Numanoids, they're all sad obsessives'... hmm, pot, kettle...) I can honestly say I am glad that I share no common ground with any of them. Age - Younger people *are* listening to and buying Numan music. The reason Pure entered the charts in the usual position for a new Numan album then dropped out is because all the hardcore fans bought it in the week of release. Chart placing for this album is nothing. It's whether it continues to sell. I see younger goths dancing to tracks from Sacrifice and Exile at clubs, I know several people, mainly Americans, from goth irc channels and newsgroups who love GN. It's not just the over 30's. Look around at the next gig - younger people do turn up. And they do buy the records, just not always immediately they are released. This is why the general trend in sales for Gary is actually going up - I have read recent intervies where he has said this - the overall sales of Sacrifice were better than those for Machine and Soul, and the sales for Exile were better than those for Sacrifice. Hopefully Pure will continue this trend, in time. Afrika Bambaataa - I believe any co-work this bloke does with Gary Numan would be amazing. Anyone remember when AB duetted with John (Johnny Rotten) Lydon on Time Zone? It should not have worked, but it did. Anyway, AB's Planet Rock was an out and out sample of Autobahn, with rapping and scratching and swearing added. It was cool. Better than and more appropriate for an artist of Numan's cult status than co-work with people like Robert Palmer, or even Dubstar. Two true innovators together. If only the old rumours of Tricky and Numan working together would come true... Antonio -- I am a poseur and I don't care, I like to make people stare! (X-Ray Spex) http://www.goffboi.freeserve.co.uk AGF People page - creative work by AGFers! Submit stuff! http://www.goffboi.freeserve.co.uk/agf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:56:02 +0000 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Age To: Gary Numan John Numaniac KNOWS that there is a percentage of the teenage record- buying public that likes good music. If they like NIN or Manson, you tell them, that **this** is the man that Trent and Marilyn like... And tell them that PURE is even better! Paddy Vickers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:30:07 -0800 From: Thomas Nelson Subject: Album Poll To: digest@garynumanfan.nu (Gary Numan) Most creative and innovative Numan albums: #2) Pure #1) Telekon Numan's current sound: I really like the new album. I am an 8th Grade teacher and I play the album all the time at school. The students really like it. Some of the other teachers have asked about the music. When they find out it's Gary, the common response is "Oh! He's still around. Didn't he do 'Cars'?" The sound on the album seems stronger. Not just the music mind you, but the sound. The drums are crisper, the guitar has more bite, and there seem to be more layers of sound than his recent albums. As to the whole goth thing, I know that when I went to his San Francisco stop during the Exile tour, the whole club was jam-packed full of gothites. It was so much fun to see all of the different kinds of fans Gary has. I thought that Cleopatra was the perfect U.S. label for him. Lovesign, Thomas Nelson (Spooky Mizu) "...there are some experiences and intimations which scar too deeply to permit of healing, and leave only such an added sensitiveness that memory reinspires all the original horror." H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:12:28 +0300 From: The Tik-Tok Man Subject: Behead Britney I Say! Off With 'er 'ead! To: Numan Digest In the previous Digest, Luc DE VISSCHER suggested that "It is clear that, the only way Numan could really chart again is in a duet with Britney (God save us from this)." Hang on. Actually this is a really cool idea Luc. They could duet in a kind of Nick Cave/Kylie Minogue style video, where Numan could behead Britney Spears in slo-mo, with lots of blood gushing everywhere, like the infamous "Black Knight" scene in "Monty Python And The Holy Grail". That'd be sooo cool to see on MTV man. TikTokMan Endlessly listening to "My Jesus" and driving his poor Russian wife nuts in Moscow PS: "Fallen" could have continued on into quite a funky track ??? PPS: Numan: taxi music for the future. (eh Joey?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 21:24:27 -0500 From: "Tim" Subject: Change of email addy To: "Numan Digest" I hate to send this to the digest, but I've requested a change in address twice in as many weeks, and to no avail. PLEASE help someone. Remove address dwheeler@pathway.net Add to list timothy@pathway.net Tim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:53:08 +0000 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Chart positions To: Gary Numan All this about chart positions is my fault. 'Exile' charted at number 47, so I guessed, wrongly, that 'Pure' might come in higher. Apparently, it came in at 58, and since no-one has told us any different, probably went straight out again, as many records do. But, you cannot assume that a record has actually sold less copies because of that. Record sales vary, according to the economy, the state of the music industry, the time of year, etc. And of course promotion and distribution count. I nearly didn't get my copy in the first week! I had the last one from the last shop I could try! It will sell because most of us realise that this album will musically appeal to the main-stream rock fan, and I personally am telling such people so. Last night I discovered a lapsed Numanoid behind a shop counter. The last album he bought was 'Strange Charm'. And he hadn't HEARD any Numan track from the 90s. So I told him how good 'Pure' is, and I think my enthusiasm was what convinced him, because he announced that he was going to buy it. He DID, incidentally, already know the title, and know that it was supposed to be 'heavier' than Gary's older stuff. Spread the word.... Paddy Vickers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:07:22 -0600 From: Michael S gean Subject: Democrat Numan Fans and the next evolution To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU Can you really be a democrat and a Numan fan at the same time??? ;) BTW, I believe that Gary is building the skills he needs to drive the whole goth/industrial music scene in a new direction. "The Plan" a pretty Punk album, evolved into Telekon and Replicas--- light years ahead! I think we can expect to hear the same kind of evolution over the next few albums... I am looking forward to it! * (The Sparkle) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 07:27:14 -0800 From: alecw Subject: dja webba? To: digest@garynumanfan.nu in a book about surnames, put out by broken arrow publishing, there's this entry for the name webster: Webster is a variation of the English occupational name Webb, who was a weaver, from early Middle English webb via Old English webba = to weave. By the time the name was adopted, the word webbe was almost obsolete, and the -ster and -er suffixes had found their place in the language, which led to Webster. Webbe, Webber and Web are variations. Noah Webster was the man behind the book where suffixes and prefixes are readily available, and was a descendant of John Webster, the governor of Conn (1656). i'd say that gary webb is still a weaver by occupation. he just does it with sound and (like noah) words now. best, alec ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:34:17 -0600 From: Jeff Tolva Subject: European tour programme To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU Fellow Numanoids, Can anyone who atteneded any of the European tour dates if there were was a tour programme for the European leg of the Pure tour? Thanks, Jeff Tolva (The Machman) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:53:14 -0800 From: theartdept@mediaone.net (Rod Reynolds) Subject: Future Music Magazine on eBay To: digest@garynumanfan.nu Hello. I had such a hard time finding this magazine I bought an extra copy and put it up on eBay. Gary is on the cover, five page interview plus cd rom tour of his studio and one track from the album. This copy is in mint condition and has never been opened. If you're interested, the item number is 505627074 and it ends on Monday Nov 27th. Best wishes Rod Los Angeles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:12:34 -0800 From: alecw Subject: more marilyn To: digest@garynumanfan.nu dear numan gesters: thanks to all those who answered my question re:- have any numanoids been turned on to NIN or marilyn manson due to numan? i've said a few crass things about manson on this digest just because i like to see it written down but i honestly don't know much besides seeing his videos, hearing about the christian controversy, etc., and seeing him perform with gary. it's just i lived through kiss, alice cooper, new york dolls, boy george, dead or alive and others that he reminds me of. i liked that image manson had with the dark red bob, the numanesque facial expression, the gender bending torso and all those mannequins. that was nice. it reminded me of eno's here come the warm jets and the pleasure principle a little bit. there's obviously just so much to explore that lies within that kind of mindset/image/musical vantage point. i'll have to pay attention to him a little more. i tried to get into NIN. i got the first one with head like a hole on it because the cover reminded me of the old '80s caberet voltaire record covers. i also got the downward spiral. i don't understand it but parts of it i do like. the numanesque parts. it's also nice to hear from teenaged numan fans. it's a different numan that teenagers of now get than the numan of '79-'82. thinking on it, numan has always maintained the same singular sad yet majestic melodic style throughout the various changes in sound, bands, formats. more than one made a good point about numan changing and the music he makes changing with him--the music changing and numan's style changing as gets older, has more life experience, etc. yes, yes, it's good, good, good. i was turned on to beck because of numan. i didn't appreciate what i heard until mutations. very numan and yet very dylan, syd barrett, lee hazlewood, leonard cohen as well. i've listened to pure about 7 time now and what it reminds me of is one long musical statement with different stanzas--like a kind of mass, opera, or other long ceremony with 'religious' implications. it's all of one piece to me, addressing birth, death and all in between. a long tunnel--with dodi, henri paul, princess diana speeding along at 200 mph with you--of ancient moon ceremonies, obylisks, black hexagrams, eternal flames and ritualised sacrifice. best, alec ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 02:22:13 -0700 From: "Joey Lindstrom" Subject: My butterfly ballot To: "Gary Numan" On Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:00:06 MST, Ken Bryant wrote: >As you know, we're asking for your top two creative and innovative Numan >albums, ever. Please post your votes right here on the digest! > Most creative and innovative Numan albums: #1) Telekon #2) Pure Numan's current sound: I like it very much. It's still got that Numan sound in there! (didn't modify your comments because they jive with mine) Have I been turned on to other bands of this style because of Numan?: I'm still not into NIN - if you listen to too much, you feel the need to take a bath with a toaster. Manson I am starting to enjoy a lot. Similarly, I began listening to the Foo Fighters and Fear Factory more after listening to their Numan covers. >I hope this ballot is not too confusing for the Democrats in Florida. I still think most people around the world believe a "pregnant chad" is a guy who somehow developed a uterus... / From the desk of Joey Lindstrom / / I had never heard of the public's "right to know", a right that / cannot be found in the constitution but was sacrosanct in the second / half of the twentieth century. / -- Maureen Johnson, "To Sail Beyond The Sunset" / (Robert Heinlein) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:58:35 -0000 From: thoutby@fusiongroup.co.uk (Tim Houtby) Subject: New mixes To: "Digest" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all Theres a new mix of Prayer To The Unborn on Ostlans site. Pretty cool. Heres the link: ( www.ostworld.freeserve.co.uk ) PTHU is zipped so only takes a couple of minutes to download. 9 minutes long too. Have fun. Tim. ________________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses, by Star Internet, delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. For further information visit: http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello=20 all   Theres a new mix of = Prayer To The=20 Unborn on Ostlans site. Pretty cool. Heres the link:   ( www.ostworld.freeserve.co.uk= )=20   PTHU is zipped so only takes a couple = of minutes to=20 download. 9 minutes long too.   Have fun.   Tim.   ________________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses, by Star Internet, delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. For further information visit: http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:25:57 -0600 From: Val & Ben Iglar-Mobley Subject: nightmares are real and deceiving To: The Gary Digest Dear all, Gary has finally reached the Western shores. We've had an early snow here in Chicago, and the entire country feels a little colder. Somehow, unforeseen to us all, our election has descended into turmoil. I disagree with those of us who are complaining that this album is derivative and unadventurous. I love industrial music. Nails, 242, Ministry (when they WERE industrial), Nitzer Ebb. I don't see this as Gary following after the pack he's led; I hear it as him following his own black heart. This is the music he loves and finds most interesting; these are the sounds he wants to create. Just like I've enjoyed Bowie taking on new styles that suit him now. Bless them for continuing to expand as artists. I love that Gary has become industrial. He was having foreplay with it for his entire career, now he's finally having intercourse with it. I must admit I'm a bit stymied to see the goth connection-- not all industrial is goth, and not all goth is industrial. 'Exile' still had elements from the gothic cathedrals. To my ears this one is pure industry. (And where is the heavy metal connection? Fast and loud do not a heavy metal album make.) With that said... can I also say I'm disappointed? Much as I love machine music, on this album I get the machine part but where's the music? Most of what I hear are synth rhythms and either screaming or whispering. Even banging on metal piping can produce a melody; where is the heart and feeling of the songs? I appreciate that Gary enjoyed the power of his live band and wanted to reproduce that quality on his album, but in striving for bombast he's lost a lot of what's "song" about the songs. I even followed Clea's advice: played it through once, felt disappointed, walked away from it, came back later and played it again and again. I'm still waiting to be carried away. I'm amazed that others are having a hard time deciding whether this one is better than 'Exile.' Replica79 was right; this IS the most uninteresting album since 'Exile'! (Of course, it's also the most INTERESTING album since 'Exile' as well... and the most musical, and the most diverse, and the most monolithic... since it's the ONLY album since 'Exile'! Just razzing you, Garrett! I guess you decided to stick around after all?) One thing I have to say for this album I'm surprised no one has thanked Gary for yet: the production quality is clear again. Maybe he got the message and ditched those Tannoy Little Golds? Big sigh of relief. So far, though, about the only song that's really stood out for me is "Fallen." I think that would make a great intro number for his coming tour. And, yes, whoever said that "Listen To My Voice" sounds like Gary TRYing to write a single was right, but it should still be the one to get tapped for an a-side, if any of these songs are. I don't hear much single material on this album; that's about the only one that is at all catchy. Another refreshing note about this album: it ends on a fast one. Gary hasn't done that since 'Human,' and hasn't done that on one of his conventional albums since 'Berserker.' Enough with the ballad outros! "I Can't Breathe" is a great finale. And if nothing else, this set is great concert ammunition. King Rich has pointed out that Gary seems to stick with a sound for about three albums then moves on to something else. I was looking over the past 20 albums, and that does pretty consistently seem to be the pattern. 'Sacrifice,' 'Exile' and 'Pure' do form a tight little triumverate; any bets on whether Gary'll give us a fourth? . . . And now finally Nails have shown us the strength of their "Metal." Quite an excellent rendition it is, too. Makes me wonder why they/he kept it under wraps so long? 'Things Falling Apart' is a great album; I recommend it to any industrially-inclined numanoid, and it's a great bargain alternative to 'The Fragile' which I passed on. (That's three times Nails have released an album only to follow it up with an album- lengthed set of remixed versions. I get the impression Trent Reznor is either a meddler who can't leave his compositions alone, or he just enjoys putting sonic weirdness together, be they compositions or DEcompositions.) love and clanging steel, Ben http://home.earthlink.net/~iglarmobley * * * "Everything in the world is either percussion... or a mallet." --David Van Tieghem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:15:46 -0000 From: "replicant 79" Subject: NIN & Marilyn Manson. To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Numanoid. Prior to the Numan mentioning NIN /MM, I hadn't heard any of their = stuff. I went out and bought 'FRAGILE' and 'MechAnimals'. Loved both. In the last 6 months I have bought all of Manson's albums, and 3 NIN = albums. Love 'em. Can't wait till the Manson tour hits Manchster. Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Numanoid. Prior to the Numan mentioning NIN /MM, = I hadn't=20 heard any of their stuff. I went out and bought 'FRAGILE' and=20 'MechAnimals'. Loved both. In the last 6 months I have bought all = of Manson's=20 albums, and 3 NIN albums. Love 'em. Can't wait till the Manson tour hits=20 Manchster. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:11:53 EST From: Numaniac@aol.com Subject: poll To: digest@garynumanfan.nu ok, my top two voted albums for creative and innovative (whatever that word was) are: 1)The Pleasure Principle (c'mon...it's what got me hooked) 2)Pure why pure? i've grown to love it THAT much. and out of all the stuff he's done, i find it to have the catchiest songs. "hey bitch! this is what you are..etc.." come on...that's catchy shit right there. my and my friend (non numan friend that bought pure) sing pure songs all the time. anyway, enough of my fight to keep good reviews alive. my other 3 favorites are: 3)Telekon 4)Replicas 5)Tubeway army John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:08:43 +0000 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Poll To: Gary Numan My vote: Most creative TWO albums. Unfair! There's several. #2) Telkon #1) Replicas BUT THEY WERE YEARS AGO! RIGHT NOW I ACTUALLY PREFER 'PURE'. Numan's current sound: Brilliant. He's taught the others so much! 'Rock Sound' magazine says: 'This record is as important as all those records that are name checked as influential!' Have I been turned on to other bands of this style? Well, a bit. My daughter, at the age of about 14, brought me some earphones and said she thought I would like this record. They're called Nine Inch Nails, and the man sits in his studio and records everything himself, just like Gary Numan. And it's similar in a way, and I think you'll like it...' She could tell at 14, that Trent Reznor was following in Gary's synthsteps. One criticism of Ken's analysis. Just because something is the most creative and innovative does not mean it's someone's favourite. Stravinsky's 'Rites of Spring' is creative and innovative, but I'd rather listen to Gary Numan.... Paddy Vickers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:07:14 EST From: Numaniac@aol.com Subject: ponderings To: digest@garynumanfan.nu i know about 2 or 3 people that have numan tattoos. i have yet to get one but i plan to in a year or so. anyone have any suggestions. i'm most likely gonna' get the numa label or a PP pyramid. John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:48:44 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Paul=20Denman?= Subject: Pure & Digest Posts To: digest@garynumanfan.nu PURE ==== I've only had time to skim-read the last Digest, but I can't believe that ANY Numan fan is complaining about the latest album!!! Sure, it's not as 'synthy' as PP, Rep or Telekon. If you want to stick in the 80's go see a revival tour or something. Pure is class!! It's the finest album he's ever done, period! Catch up, or jump off the bus!!! And for my second rant... DIGEST POSTS ============ WILL ALL GUILTY PARTIES ****STOP**** SENDING EMAILS IN HTML FORMAT.... PLEASE!!!!! Or in other words: Stop sending Emails in HTML Format!!! :-) Rants over! ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:46:8 +00 From: numanoid@talk21.com Subject: Question To: digest@garynumanfan.nu Are there any Numan fans out there that became Numan fans because of Manson/NIN???? Gp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:56:39 +0100 From: luc.de_visscher@ch.Novartis.com Subject: Spread the word To: digest@garynumanfan.nu (Gary Numan) In the previous digest, Joey Lindstrom wrote: "What pisses me off about this is that NON-NUMANOIDS LOVE THIS ALBUM WHEN THEY GET THE CHANCE TO HEAR IT" and Terry Burke wrote: "So far I have sold 3 copies of "Pure" by playing the promo CD that Spitfire Records mailed to me. The customers who hear it all ask, "who= is this?" and are VERY surprised that it's Numan. Most of them thought he vanished years ago, and so far each has= bought a copy of the CD. My goal is to sell at least 10 copies by January 2001." Been there, done that. Indeed, as I already said, I bought 10 copies of= Pure about 1 month ago, and sold 9 of them (yep, I did keep one for mys= elf ;-) ). Meanwhile, I bought another 2 in addition. It is my experience also that whoever listens to Pure, is interested in= buying it. That is why i always have spare copies with me, so that I ca= n say "Oh, by the way, I still have an extra copy, do you want it?". And indeed, I do purchase a lot of numan CDs for other people. I also did send a friend of mine in Switzerland to a Numan concert, and= his comments were as follows: "I just came home from my first Gary Numan concert ever! What an intens= e show! I loved every minute of it (although I'm almost deaf now)! Except= for one I knew all songs - thanks to the CDs and tapes you gave me. My favourites tonight: 1. Down in the Park (!!!) 2. My Jesus 3. Pure I think that the playlist was the same as the one in K=F6ln. And as in = K=F6ln, there were not more than 300 people. But nevertheless the atmosphere wa= s great (lots of hardcore fans right at the stage in trance). Numan seeme= d to be happy, played 3 encores (2 songs each). The sound quality didn't see= m to be as bad as you experienced it two days ago, but the mixing wasn't as clear as it could have been. I liked Numan's band, most of all the guitar pla= yer who danced like a maniac! Great haircut! The musicians and Numan didn't= only play the music, they lived it. My friend, who didn't know any of the songs, liked the concert, too. We= listened to the "Pure" CD on the way into town and back, and he wanted = to keep it in his car for tomorrow when he will have to drive a lot to vis= it some customers. Who knows, perhaps we have another Numan fan here." Promising, isn't it? Greetings to all of you, and maybe I'll meet some of you in Brussels on= the 29th! Luc De Visscher THE NUMAN FACTOR BELGIUM= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:43:15 +0000 From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: Stale? To: Gary Numan I think that the idea that PURE is 'stale' is very odd. It is different from Replicas or Telekon, and it does not have the same type of impact that the soaring synths probably had on many of the Digesters. But the songs are very tuneful, and the background twiddly bits are amazing. The 'metal-meets-electronica' in 'Pure', 'Listen To My Voice', etc., are heavenly. I wake up in the morning and bits of 'Torn' or 'My Jesus' are going through my head. One of the excellent qualities of this record is that it **improves** on NIN etc., because of the sheer quality of the melody lines. Rep79, chill out. Adopt an alter ego as Rep00. Yours Purely, Paddy Vickers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 07:07:34 EST From: OXENHAMJENMAR@aol.com Subject: Stars-Numan/Robson wanted To: Digesters, Does anyone have a copy on either Minidisc or CD,Stars,the Numan-Nikki Robson Collaberation? I will purchase or provide a trade on any format you wish.CD or MD/cassette. Please mail me with your wants. Regards Jenmar ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:29:51 +0000 From: Dryad Subject: Stop it already!! To: digest@garynumanfan.nu (Gary Numan) People with HTML coding - PLEASE TURN IT OFF Clea, going mental from reading all of tha crap ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 23:03:45 -0600 From: "jared cook" Subject: thank you, antonio To: digest@garynumanfan.nu Hey, just wanted to give thanks to Antonio for the heads up regarding the Yangtse Tong AFE cover a few digests back (at least i think it was antonio). I thought it was a fairly good version. And if anyone else out there has done a cover, please let us here on the digest know about it! I love that stuff. Yes, that includes anyone who was on the abandoned R3 projekt, 'cause those short samples from garynumanfan.nu just aren't enough. jared ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:48:14 +0300 From: The Tik-Tok Man Subject: The Skin Game Rules To: Numan Digest Just in case there's some Numanoidz out there who; 1. Aren't interested in ridiculous, unrelated and unproductive religious debates, 2. Aren't bashing "Pure", I thought you might like to know that I looped the entire opening section of "The Skin Game", before the vocals kick in, and used it for a corporate film that I produced here for a huge multi-national corporation's sales conference. It was a motivational film about going that extra bit to win, so for an intro, I edited funky shots of Russian athletes from the Sydney Olympics winning their gold medals to the track, and when the finished film was screened on a huge video screen at one of Moscow's 5 star hotels, it received a rousing applause from the 300 Russian sales managers from across the country. Big sound. Big stereo effect. Ha! Nobody realised that they had just been entertained by Mr. Numan himself! TikTokMan Deep under the snows of Moscow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:49:53 -0500 From: Matthew Roberts Subject: Tik N Tok / Covers To: Gary Numan Should just clarify that my last post was light hearted. A little too lig= ht hearted. I have NOT been ripped off on the Tik N Tok CD. I just haven't received i= t yet. I will contact Tim to see if he got my che(que/ck). Subconciously, perhaps I was a little pissed that I didn't yet have TNT's= A Child With The Ghost on CD, as I am in the course of creating a Mini Disc= compilation of the best Numan covers: NIN Marilyn Manson Foo Fighters Moloko Damon Albarn Jimi Tenor Gravity Kills The Magnetic Fields EMF The Orb Jesus Jones Earl Brutus Keneckie Dubstar Armand The Vampire Van Heroes Pop Will Eat Itself St Etienne Republica Who apart from Gary Numan can boast a list like that (even if Rosin(?) Murphy is a silly person). If only The Pet Shop Boys, The Smashing Pumpkins, Tori and Dame David had= obliged, it would be damn near perfect. Matthew Roberts ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:41:14 -0500 From: "Sean Caszatt" Subject: To all the "fans" To: "Gary Numan" You know, I find it very distressing that no one in the digest ever seems happy with what Gary's doing now or with what he's done in the past (unless, of course, it was during that time between 1978 and 1982 that he could do no wrong.) Before Sacrifice, people were complaining about the female background singers and overuse of the saxophone (among other things.) Then Gary got rid of that stuff and people began complaining about the sound quality of Sacrifice. For Exile, the sound was improved...and then people started complaining about the use of drum loops and the anti-God lyrics. So, for Pure, Gary got more creative with the percussion and toned down the religious lyrics while keeping an excellent sound mix. Guess what? People are still bitching. For all the bitching people do and all the improving Gary's been doing, we ought to be thankful he even records any more. If his "fans" can't seem to support him, who will? For crying out loud, no artist is ever going to be "perfect." Pointless whining about what's not ours to change won't gain anything for anyone, so why not just enjoy the music and shut up? If you don't like Pure, sell it to someone who'll like it and don't go see the tour. I will gladly take your place near the front of the stage. I think Pure is one of the best albums Gary's done in years. I think that, like any artist, Gary's had his ups and downs. Reading the opinions in the digest, people could get the impression that Gary's been in a slump since "Cars." That's pretty damn sad, since we're supposedly so loyal. Gary's better to his fans than 99.9% of other musicians. Can we please quit the complaining and celebrate the man's music? ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ****************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------- T H E G A R Y N U M A N D I G E S T is produced and distributed by Derek Langsford, Dave Datta, and Joey Lindstrom dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu, datta@cs.uwp.edu, Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU ------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, email: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, email: digest-request@GaryNumanFan.NU ------------------------------------------------------------------ The Gary Numan Digest is brought to you via Joey Lindstrom and the GaryNUmanFan server Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU All of the opinions in this digest belong to the respective authors and do not necessarily agree with those of the Digest Producers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Produced and distributed by Derek Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, mail to: digest@garynumanfan.nu If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, you can mail to digest-request@garynumanfan.nu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- =================== Company Details ======================= Hire Information Technology Ltd Registered Office: Cookham Road, Bracknell, Berks RG12 1RB. 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Ta, TikTokMan Moscow ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:01:03 -0000 From: "George Grant" Subject: Pre Numan Electronic Gig To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU On Friday the 16th of February there will be a warm up gig at the 13th Note Cafe, King St. Glasgow including the bands CARNIVAL, SERVER and D/COMPUTE. Come along and get in the mood for Monday at the Barrowlands!Doors open 8.30pm, tickets only £3, All "The Crazies" will be there!!! George Grant. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:05:06 -0500 From: "Tim" Subject: spitfire To: "Numan Digest" Paddy, I guess the link doesn't work unless you go to Spitfirerecords.com and click on GARY NUMAN on the main page (left side). The "flash" thingy loads after a few minutes (56K). Good luck! Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:07:22 -0800 From: obscure@blueneptune.com Subject: US press clipping To: Gary Numan Hi All, After a long winter's lurk, I return to the list with news! CMJ New Music Report, which is the trade publication of choice for all College and Non-Commercial stations here in the US, has published a review of PURE in their January 22nd issue. It appears over a 1/2 page ad purchased by Spitfire Records advertising the new album! Here is the review written by M.Tye Comer: Gary Numan - PURE Armand Van Helden's "Koochy", featuring a cut-and-paste sample of Gary Numan's "Cars" as its hook, may have moved many on the dancefloor in 2000, but Nine Inch Nails' brooding cover of "Metal" proved a more accurate reflection of the new wave pioneer's current musical mindset. With PURE, Numan further distances himself from the bouncy electro-pop on which his legend is built, emerging with doomy, rhythm-heavy laments full of raging guitar distortion and brooding electronics. Numan's rabies-ridden bite is also evident in the lyrics, though many passages wield a poetic angst on the level of the SNL skit "Goth Talk" ("I want to feel you touch my pain/I want to drown in your misery"). Still, the album's most memorable moments -- whisper-to-primal scream "Rip" and the Curve-ish "Prayer For The Unborn" among them -- represent some of the most inspired music Numan has penned in the latter half of his career. Perhaps he'll even get a little love on his own merits this time around. I'm bummed that Gary won't be playing South By SouthWest as originally announced, (work is paying my way to Austin this year!) but, the fact that Spitfire seem to be doing something about working the record to radio makes me feel better. Lisa Yimm Program Director KUSF 90.3fm San Francisco -- _______________________ obscure@blueneptune.com ------------------------------ End of Gary Numan Digest ****************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------- T H E G A R Y N U M A N D I G E S T is produced and distributed by Derek Langsford, Dave Datta, and Joey Lindstrom dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu, datta@cs.uwp.edu, Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU ------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, email: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, email: digest-request@GaryNumanFan.NU ------------------------------------------------------------------ The Gary Numan Digest is brought to you via Joey Lindstrom and the GaryNUmanFan server Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU All of the opinions in this digest belong to the respective authors and do not necessarily agree with those of the Digest Producers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Produced and distributed by Derek Langsford dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, mail to: digest@garynumanfan.nu If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, you can mail to digest-request@garynumanfan.nu --------------------------------------------------------------------------