--------------------------------------------------------------------- T H E G A R Y N U M A N D I G E S T (by subscription only - to unsubscribe, see bottom of this message) --------------------------------------------------------------------- (#2002-119) - Topics this issue: 1) Purified Snipets, 2) Prog Rock for a new century, 3) Which came first: the song or the fan?, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 07:57:33 -0500 From: "Troy L. Walters" Subject: Purified Snipets Speaking of the Purified music... I've put some of it to good use. Surf to: http://www.fshs1981.org/troywalters/mp3/ There's a link to a remix/edited/extended version of Walking With Shadows. It would be good to hear what others think. Troy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 20:21:03 +0100 From: Dryad Subject: Prog Rock for a new century Brits will know Martin Grech as the singer from 'that Lexus ad'- don't know if it's running worldwide or not. In any case, intruigued by the vocal, I bought the cd, Open Heart Zoo, yesterday. It's as there was some orgy between Stx, Queen, early Genesis and eary Yes, even a little Gary here and there, producing a child who's fashioned after the vocal stylings of Thom Yorke. Since Grech 'discovered' Radiohead when he was 12, it's apparent the band has had a major influence in his music. Now, I'm not a fan of Radiohead, but here, for the most part, the Thom Yorke-ish vocals work. Personally I prefer Grech's non-nasal/whiny voice, but it doesn't detract overall. It's taken 3 years for Open Heart Zoo to come to fruition and my, has it been worth the wait! This disc runs the gamut from lush and quiet (Push, Only One Listening, Open Heart Zoo - the Lexus song) to soaringly operatic and electric (Dali, Notorius, and others I can't recall atm). I hope that at only 19, Grech doesn't turn into Gary - an incredibly talented artist ignored by the mainstream media. You can check him out and listen to Catch Up, Dali, and Open Heart Zoo here: http://www.islandrecords.co.uk/artfrontend/artist_homeUK.asp?artistid=97 Dryad -- http://www.puritycontrol.co.uk - XF rec's at The Grove, updated 7/17/02 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:27:13 -0500 From: "Val & Ben Iglar-Mobley" Subject: Which came first: the song or the fan? > Ben, you're amazing...and crazy. Aw, shucks, Lisa. You say the nicest things! > I would never have bothered to try and count all the > individual tracks...but now that you've done it, > it's frelling fantastic! Oh, well, if I'm going to be proposing polls for us to partake in, it seems like we ought to at least know what we can count in those polls. And it seems like a question we ought to be able to answer in general. I mean, if we're going to count ourselves fans, we ought to be able to give some kind of an answer to what Gary's overall output is. Plus I just love numbers. > if we count the two recent instrumentals from "Exposure"... But didn't someone say that got used as the basis for one of the new versions Gary used as a "b" to "Rip"? What does that do to the instrumental? I mean, if we took one of the new rerecordings that were "b"s to "Dominion Day" and stripped out the vocals... would that be a "new" Gary track? I don't know about that one. > one floating around as a bootleg MP3... Hm, well, that raises a different question. I'm sure Gary has MANY more songs he's recorded that are sitting in his studio as demos. Do we count those, then? Isn't the question of whether something has gotten an official pressing or not a meaningful distinction? > I tend to agree, but at the same time the purists might opt > for a second list: those songs that Gary *WROTE* > or *CO-WROTE*. Definitely worthy of being cataloged, but I'm not sure they would count in the same way. I mean, if he wrote something and then gave it away to another artist to be recorded, I think then it's become part of that other artist's ouevre-- not Gary's. > The others are "Found You Now", which Gary gets a co- > writing credit for (I don't remember if he also plays on the > track), and "Style Kills". But has Gary ever played either of those songs live? He HAS played songs like "Stormtrooper In Drag," "Love Needs No Disguise" or even "U Got The Look" live. Doesn't that say something about what criteria Gary uses to count a song as one of "his"? I'm not just trying to be nit-picky here. > I don't even know what "Redirected Mail" is. It's a song written by Dubstar and for which they played the music... but Gary sang. Yes, Ms. Dubstar-woman (whatever her name is) sang back-up, but had no more prominent a part than the back-up singers in many of Gary's other songs. To my ears, that pretty much makes it a "Gary song." > ..."Interval 1", "Interval 2", and "Interval 3" from Outland. > Should those qualify? In a word, yes. Are they or are they not music? Just because they have boring titles doesn't mean they're not music. And just because they use vocal samples instead of singing also doesn't mean they're not music. > Ben asked should these count, well, that also brings up the > question of whether Tik n Toks 'Show me something real' > should count, as Gary played keyboards... > Do hohokam count as Numan produced their singles? See, I wouldn't count those as "his," toni. They're songs to which he made a contribution, but they're not part of his own catalog. To my thinking anyway. One major determinant, I think, is who sings a song. Let's be honest, pop music is very singer-dominated. Ever been to a concert for a musical group-- a band, not a solo performer-- and had the musicians come out onto the stage and then the singer step out last... at which point the audience thunders its applause? Now, why the emphasis on the singer if she or he is just one musician in the group? We connect most directly with the singer. Not all of us can play a musical instrument, but we all have a voice. Not all of us have taken classes in music theory and so not all of us can translate the musical language being expressed by the instruments, but when a singer is using the language we've learned from birth we can understand that element immediately. For those reasons, whoever sings a song is who gets to put a personal stamp on it. A stamp of ownership. I mean, does Cher write ANY of her own songs? And yet wouldn't we all immediately recognize "Believe" as "hers"? If somebody else did a cover of "Believe," wouldn't we tag it as someone doing a cover of "a Cher song," even though she didn't write it? > What about the Tracks on "Purified" that are all non titled > but sound great... But those are snippets, Hansi. I'm not counting them until we get them in full. When Nine Inch Nails put snippets of "Metal" up on their web site for downloading, did that count as a new release? Since there were two different segments as two different files... did that mean they were two different songs? We haven't gotten those yet; we've just gotten previews (or preauditions). > The best thing to do is cover several statistics: > > Number of Numan compositions > Number of Numan 'songs' [this then excludes instrumentals] > Number of songs on which Gary sings > Number of songs by other composers performed by Gary > Number of Numan compositions not performed by Gary Well, that would certainly be the most thorough answer, Paddy. I don't think I'm quite up to that challenge; I just want a handy number I can toss around to tally up Gary's body of work so far. I'm not saying I have the definitive answer; this is just my thinking. But then again, it is what I think. Ben ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! 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